Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Larry Colen]

On Aug 29, 2010, at 4:35 AM, frank theriault wrote:
> 
> I guess the bottom line is that however my photography may be
> evolving, it's not so much a conscious thing as just the way things
> go.  Yes, I'm in control and making decisions, but really, I'm just
> doing my best to record things around me in a way that conveys where I
> am and what I'm feeling.

And all this time I thought you were becoming a better photographer because you 
were working hard at it, and it turns out that you're just goofing off and 
having fun.  I hate you.  

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RE: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Bob W]

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> Behalf Of frank theriault
[...]
>  Wherever I am, that's what I shoot.  Whatever the results are, that's
what
> they are.
> 

Mark!

Come one, Frank, can't you be a bit more laid back about it?

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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> On Aug 27, 2010, at 7:27 PM, frank theriault wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>> Color version for me too...
>>
>> Thanks, Boris, and thanks to everyone else who commented.  Glad you liked it.
>>
>> I think I prefer the colour, too.
>
> Frank, It seems that you go through periods concentrating on one aspect of 
> photography to the exclusion of all else, and not moving on until you've 
> gotten very good at what you're working on.  At one point it seemed as if you 
> were only interested in subject matter, almost to the exclusion of exposure, 
> focus, motion blur. Lately, I've noticed that your work, while retaining the 
> "art" seems to have improved a lot more in the "craft". Almost all of your 
> photos lately have been sharp, clear, well exposed, and I don't know whether 
> that's because you're trying harder for sharpness, or if you're just shooting 
> in better light.
>
> I think that a lot of people benefit from shooting in black and white because 
> it's one less thing to work on. Rather than worrying about color balance, and 
> whether the colors in the shot actually go well together, it's just the 
> light, and the composition.  Lately, however, it seems that your work is 
> being held back by doing it exclusively in black and white. It seems that a 
> significant percentage of your recent shots would be a lot better in color.
>
> I know that you have a "knarf does kolor" page, but I'd like to see more of 
> your work in color.

There's a lot to comment on in your post, but I don't think I'll
answer each and every point.  Much of what you say I agree with, but I
guess my answer is that I really don't "think" much when I'm shooting.
 Wherever I am, that's what I shoot.  Whatever the results are, that's
what they are.

I don't "try" for content to the exclusion of other things.  Certain
genres of photography (to me at least) require some things more than
others;  for instance, nature photography really needs sharpness and
colour (there are exceptions of course), so when I'm down by the Lake,
I'm aware of colour and doing my best to keep things sharp (although I
have a long way to go as compared to "real" nature photogs).

I guess the bottom line is that however my photography may be
evolving, it's not so much a conscious thing as just the way things
go.  Yes, I'm in control and making decisions, but really, I'm just
doing my best to record things around me in a way that conveys where I
am and what I'm feeling.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Larry Colen]

On Aug 27, 2010, at 7:27 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Color version for me too...
> 
> Thanks, Boris, and thanks to everyone else who commented.  Glad you liked it.
> 
> I think I prefer the colour, too.

Frank, It seems that you go through periods concentrating on one aspect of 
photography to the exclusion of all else, and not moving on until you've gotten 
very good at what you're working on.  At one point it seemed as if you were 
only interested in subject matter, almost to the exclusion of exposure, focus, 
motion blur. Lately, I've noticed that your work, while retaining the "art" 
seems to have improved a lot more in the "craft". Almost all of your photos 
lately have been sharp, clear, well exposed, and I don't know whether that's 
because you're trying harder for sharpness, or if you're just shooting in 
better light.

I think that a lot of people benefit from shooting in black and white because 
it's one less thing to work on. Rather than worrying about color balance, and 
whether the colors in the shot actually go well together, it's just the light, 
and the composition.  Lately, however, it seems that your work is being held 
back by doing it exclusively in black and white. It seems that a significant 
percentage of your recent shots would be a lot better in color.

I know that you have a "knarf does kolor" page, but I'd like to see more of 
your work in color.


> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Color version for me too...

Thanks, Boris, and thanks to everyone else who commented.  Glad you liked it.

I think I prefer the colour, too.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Boris Liberman]

Color version for me too...

On 8/20/2010 2:04 PM, frank theriault wrote:

A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html

Here's the b&w for comparison:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html

Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Christine Aguila]

love the color, Frank, though it comes up a bit yellow on my monitor.  My 
preference is for the color.  Excellent Shot!!!  Cheers, Christine





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I can't "see" as well in B&W as I can in color.  Now the scene really
pops for me. Thanks for sharing.
- Pat

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:04 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:

A few of you wondered how this would look in colour. I think I rather
prefer it (all those reds!). Also, a slightly different crop:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html

Here's the b&w for comparison:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html

Hope you enjoy! Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank



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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

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I can't "see" as well in B&W as I can in color.  Now the scene really
pops for me. Thanks for sharing.
- Pat

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:04 AM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
> prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html
>
> Here's the b&w for comparison:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html
>
> Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[steve harley]

On 2010-08-20 05:04 , frank theriault wrote:

A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html


i like the color, though i'd suggest an intentional "old-film" color 
rendering (it's almost there anyway)


but i prefer the b&w top crop and its detail on the girl's dress

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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Larry Colen]

On Aug 20, 2010, at 4:04 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
> prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html
> 
> Here's the b&w for comparison:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.

I like them both. As I suspected they are two, almost entirely different, 
photos. In black and white the photo is all about body language and facial 
expression.  It's about the moment.  In colo(u)r, it's a great image, and would 
be even if I took off my glasses and only saw colo(u)red blurs.

My habit is to use color as the default, but will often decide that a picture 
is stronger in black and white.  I appreciate the fact that with you, a photo 
has to stand on its own in black and white, and color only makes it better.

I find it interesting that in color it's easier to notice that the picture 
isn't tack sharp which I find amusing because I was just reflecting on how 
generally sharp all of your photos have been lately.  They've all had the 
theraultian subject matter, but not the theraultian blur or noise.

   Larry

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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[P. J. Alling]

 I liked the B&W version, in color it's just awesome.  (Oh, Crap, I'm 
channeling someones inner valley girl)...


On 8/20/2010 7:04 AM, frank theriault wrote:

A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html

Here's the b&w for comparison:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html

Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank






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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Ann Sanfedele]

frank theriault wrote:


A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html

Here's the b&w for comparison:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html

Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank



 

yup - for this subject matter the popping colors work nicely - I rather 
prefer it too


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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Walter Gilbert]

 On 8/20/2010 8:25 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

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Have to agree.  I like both versions, but the reds do make it pop.

Best,

Walt


On Aug 20, 2010, at 6:04, frank theriault wrote:


A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html

Here's the b&w for comparison:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html


The B&W is really cool, and looks like it was taken 50 years ago.

The color really adds to this one, in my opinion.  A classic shot!

  -Charles

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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Charles Robinson]

On Aug 20, 2010, at 6:04, frank theriault wrote:

> A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
> prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html
> 
> Here's the b&w for comparison:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html
> 

The B&W is really cool, and looks like it was taken 50 years ago.

The color really adds to this one, in my opinion.  A classic shot!

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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Jack Davis]

I agree, Paul. The bright color enhance the comedic aspect.

Jack

--- On Fri, 8/20/10, frank theriault  wrote:

> From: frank theriault 
> Subject: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 4:04 AM
> A few of you wondered how this would
> look in colour.  I think I rather
> prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly
> different crop:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html
> 
> Here's the b&w for comparison:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Rick Womer]

A definite improvement on an already excellent photo.

Rick

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--- On Fri, 8/20/10, frank theriault  wrote:


> A few of you wondered how this would
> look in colour.  I think I rather
> prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly
> different crop:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html
> 
> Here's the b&w for comparison:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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Re: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[David J Brooks]

I agree with Bob.

Dave

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Bob W  wrote:
> I prefer it in colour - it's more in keeping with the theme, and the people
> stand out better against the background, although a better b&w rendering
> could help that.
>
> Bob
>
>>
>> A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
> prefer
>> it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:
>>
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-
>> version.html
>>
>> Here's the b&w for comparison:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html
>>
>> Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
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RE: PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[Bob W]

I prefer it in colour - it's more in keeping with the theme, and the people
stand out better against the background, although a better b&w rendering
could help that.

Bob

> 
> A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
prefer
> it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-
> version.html
> 
> Here's the b&w for comparison:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.
> 
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PESO - The Long and the Short of It (colour version)

[frank theriault]

A few of you wondered how this would look in colour.  I think I rather
prefer it (all those reds!).  Also, a slightly different crop:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it-colour-version.html

Here's the b&w for comparison:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/08/long-and-short-of-it.html

Hope you enjoy!  Comments welcome.

cheers,
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