Re: Pentax 17
Well I hope they continue to sell out. On 6/20/2024 10:48 AM, Bill wrote: Apparently the first run of cameras has already sold out and the Japanese web store is so overwhelmed that they have temporarily stopped taking pre-orders. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
On 6/20/2024 9:01 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 20.06.24 um 16:48 schrieb Bill: Apparently the first run of cameras has already sold ... The first run must have been quite a shipload that was given to an army of influencers, judging from the deluge of jubilant Pentax 17 videos on Youtube. Ralf I doubt if the influencer crowd got more than a hundred cameras handed out in total, and that is very cheap advertising. The first run sold out within a day as it turns out. At the moment, it looks like it is more than a successful release. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
Am 20.06.24 um 16:48 schrieb Bill: Apparently the first run of cameras has already sold ... The first run must have been quite a shipload that was given to an army of influencers, judging from the deluge of jubilant Pentax 17 videos on Youtube. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax 17
Apparently the first run of cameras has already sold out and the Japanese web store is so overwhelmed that they have temporarily stopped taking pre-orders. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax 17
mike wilson wrote: > The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera, > it's that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch > of people in God's waiting room. We are both talking about the camera that uses a way outdated and very expensive imaging technology, aren't we? In which case, anyone buying a superfluous and expensive unit when there are arguably better and certainly substantially cheaper options seems to be a few frames short of a roll. I've still got Pentax film cameras if I want to play with film. The thing I don't want to have is more to scan to use digitally. I already have thousands of slides still to scan + my late father's negatives to do. Photography should be fun, not another job on the 'to-do' list. Malcolm -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
Am 18.06.24 um 16:15 schrieb Bob W PDML: 35mm landscape is the best format for shooting coffins. MARK! -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog :http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio :http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos :https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
> On 18 Jun 2024, at 16:01, Bill wrote: > > > […] > Now I don't sit on the Ricoh board of directors, but then nobody who posts > here does either, and to be blunt, the target market for this camera are > people who are half a century younger than the average age of the soon to be > crated and put into underground storage inhabitants of the PDML. > > bill > 35mm landscape is the best format for shooting coffins. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
On 6/18/2024 7:11 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 18/06/2024 14:03 BST Bill wrote: On 6/18/2024 12:47 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 18/06/2024 05:05 BST John Francis wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill wrote: It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting. A lot more usable than I was expecting. A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0. About the same as 120 gallons of gas, in early 1973 that would have been about $40, in 1974 that would have been about $60. I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + 50mm/f1.4) in 1972, but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that. The place in the UK offering the new beastie also offers (when in stock) the K1000 for over £100 less. Although that in itself is daylight robbery, I know which I would choose. The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera, it's that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch of people in God's waiting room. We are both talking about the camera that uses a way outdated and very expensive imaging technology, aren't we? In which case, anyone buying a superfluous and expensive unit when there are arguably better and certainly substantially cheaper options seems to be a few frames short of a roll. Apparently Pentax figures there are enough people out there who want to shoot film who will also want new film cameras and the advantages that new provides. Now I don't sit on the Ricoh board of directors, but then nobody who posts here does either, and to be blunt, the target market for this camera are people who are half a century younger than the average age of the soon to be crated and put into underground storage inhabitants of the PDML. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
Am 17.06.24 um 22:42 schrieb Bob W PDML: £499 in the UK. To me, it doesn't look like a Pentax and, even worse, it doesn't look like something that should cost 500 quid. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
> On Jun 18, 2024, at 9:03 AM, Bill wrote: > > The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera, it's > that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch of people in > God's waiting room. > > bill Exactly. I am most likely using the cameras I will die with-- a K1 and K3. Gave away or sold all my darkroom equipment years ago. Film involves work. I’m too old for wotk! Paul > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
> On 18/06/2024 14:03 BST Bill wrote: > > > On 6/18/2024 12:47 AM, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 18/06/2024 05:05 BST John Francis wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > >>> > On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill wrote: > > It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting. > >>> A lot more usable than I was expecting. > >>> > A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0. > >>> About the same as 120 gallons of gas, in early 1973 that would have been > >>> about $40, in 1974 that would have been about $60. > >> I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + > >> 50mm/f1.4) in 1972, > >> but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that. > > The place in the UK offering the new beastie also offers (when in stock) > > the K1000 for over £100 less. Although that in itself is daylight > > robbery, I know which I would choose. > > The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera, > it's that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch of > people in God's waiting room. We are both talking about the camera that uses a way outdated and very expensive imaging technology, aren't we? In which case, anyone buying a superfluous and expensive unit when there are arguably better and certainly substantially cheaper options seems to be a few frames short of a roll. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
On 6/18/2024 12:47 AM, mike wilson wrote: On 18/06/2024 05:05 BST John Francis wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill wrote: It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting. A lot more usable than I was expecting. A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0. About the same as 120 gallons of gas, in early 1973 that would have been about $40, in 1974 that would have been about $60. I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + 50mm/f1.4) in 1972, but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that. The place in the UK offering the new beastie also offers (when in stock) the K1000 for over £100 less. Although that in itself is daylight robbery, I know which I would choose. The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera, it's that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch of people in God's waiting room. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
> On 18/06/2024 05:05 BST John Francis wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill wrote: > > > > > > It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting. > > > > A lot more usable than I was expecting. > > > > > A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0. > > > > About the same as 120 gallons of gas, in early 1973 that would have been > > about $40, in 1974 that would have been about $60. > > I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + > 50mm/f1.4) in 1972, > but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that. The place in the UK offering the new beastie also offers (when in stock) the K1000 for over £100 less. Although that in itself is daylight robbery, I know which I would choose. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill wrote: > > > > It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting. > > A lot more usable than I was expecting. > > > A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0. > > About the same as 120 gallons of gas, in early 1973 that would have been > about $40, in 1974 that would have been about $60. I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + 50mm/f1.4) in 1972, but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
Bob W PDML wrote: >£499 in the UK. > >https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq Interesting. Not my cup of tea, but I'm so far outside the intended demographic I might as well be in orbit. At first I thought the portrait mode framing was odd, but then I remembered this camera is being targeted at an audience who regards that as default because they've grown up on smartphone cameras. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
> On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill wrote: > > It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting. A lot more usable than I was expecting. > A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0. About the same as 120 gallons of gas, in early 1973 that would have been about $40, in 1974 that would have been about $60. > > bill > > Ignore the offlist message Bob, I pressed the wrong button. > > On 6/17/2024 2:42 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: >> £499 in the UK. >> >> https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting. A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax. bill Ignore the offlist message Bob, I pressed the wrong button. On 6/17/2024 2:42 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: £499 in the UK. https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
$499 in US. I must say I am very tempted to have one of these in my pocket on my upcoming trip… Stan Sent from my iPad > On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:42 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: > > £499 in the UK. > > https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
€ 550 in NL. For somewhat lower cost I'd rather have a Pentax WG-8. Henk Op 2024-06-17 om 22:42 schreef Bob W PDML: £499 in the UK. https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq -- to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICIDcOtlSrQ > On 17 Jun 2024, at 21:42, Bob W PDML wrote: > > £499 in the UK. > > https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq > > <https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq> > -- -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax 17
£499 in the UK. https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax 17 announcement
For those wanting a new film camera (and/or have problems to contribute to PUG): https://pentaxrumors.com/2024/06/13/the-pentax-17-half-frame-film-camera-with-25mm-f-3-5-lens-will-be-officially-announced-next-week-june-18th/ Henk -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.
That price is really quite good. I paid a flat $500 for my copy in January, 2014. This has been my go to lens when using a normal zoom. I find my copy to be excellent when stopped down to f8 or more. It is somewhat soft at f4, improves significantly at 5.6 and is excellent at f8. It is softer than 16-45 f4 (which is really excellent) at f4 and f5.6, but is on par with it at f8. In terms of chromatic aberration, the 17-70 is better than the 16-45 at all apertures, IMO. The silent operation of the 17-70 is really nice. It's not a dream lens by any measure but a good workhorse. Still looking for the dream lens. Mark On 10/21/2015 6:44 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: The reviews at Adorama are all 4 and 5 star. A lot of the bad reviews seem to go back to the original SDM introduction, and we know what a disaster that was. On 10/21/2015 5:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I had one on loan from Pentax marketing. It was excellent, but I suppose it might have been cherry picked. Paul via phone On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Darren Addy wrote: It's the same price at Amazon. Customer reviews of it are pretty terrible for a Pentax lens. http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-17-70mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B001AZ8N6M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty. I wonder if that means that Ricoh is going to discontinue it. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:44 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > The reviews at Adorama are all 4 and 5 star. A lot of the bad reviews seem > to go back to the original SDM introduction, and we know what a disaster > that was. My two copies were horrible, maybe they were older lenses in the warehouse Dave > > > On 10/21/2015 5:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> I had one on loan from Pentax marketing. It was excellent, but I suppose >> it might have been cherry picked. >> >> Paul via phone >> >>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >>> >>> It's the same price at Amazon. Customer reviews of it are pretty >>> terrible for a Pentax lens. >>> >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-17-70mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B001AZ8N6M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM, P.J. Alling >>>> wrote: >>>> The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty. I wonder if that means >>>> that >>>> Ricoh is going to discontinue it. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve >>>> immortality through not dying. >>>> -- Woody Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. > > > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.
The reviews at Adorama are all 4 and 5 star. A lot of the bad reviews seem to go back to the original SDM introduction, and we know what a disaster that was. On 10/21/2015 5:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I had one on loan from Pentax marketing. It was excellent, but I suppose it might have been cherry picked. Paul via phone On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Darren Addy wrote: It's the same price at Amazon. Customer reviews of it are pretty terrible for a Pentax lens. http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-17-70mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B001AZ8N6M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty. I wonder if that means that Ricoh is going to discontinue it. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.
I had one on loan from Pentax marketing. It was excellent, but I suppose it might have been cherry picked. Paul via phone > On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > > It's the same price at Amazon. Customer reviews of it are pretty > terrible for a Pentax lens. > > http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-17-70mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B001AZ8N6M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending > > > >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM, P.J. Alling >> wrote: >> The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty. I wonder if that means that >> Ricoh is going to discontinue it. >> >> -- >> I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve >> immortality through not dying. >> -- Woody Allen >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.
It's the same price at Amazon. Customer reviews of it are pretty terrible for a Pentax lens. http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-17-70mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/product-reviews/B001AZ8N6M/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty. I wonder if that means that > Ricoh is going to discontinue it. > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Adorama has Pentax 17-70 at astoundingly low price.
The deal includes a 3 year extended warranty. I wonder if that means that Ricoh is going to discontinue it. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: > I bought the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 a week ago when my Sigma 17-50/2.8 was > in for repair, I quite like it. It's pretty sharp, if it's not looking > great consider checking that it's actually focused, it may need some > focus adjustment. I saw little difference between the two lenses, but the Pentax one llooked to me a tad sharper. I did not see the point of going and extra $100 just for 2.8 at the wide end, for a lens that will mostly be used at 45-70, still it was nice and quite and fast AF Dave >> >> Dave >> >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> Thanks for taking the time Mark C. >>> >>> The lenses are in to inspect. Salesman tested both lenses on what ever >>> Pentax DSLR they have. Says the Pentax is better than the first one, >>> but the Sigma i =s much faster on the AF than the Pentax. >>> >>> Time will tell Saturday >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Mark C wrote: I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. If I then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would take a second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the lens before testing. I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but it moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in. Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to get a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all the time. It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a doubt the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots when the camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a few issues with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very accurate but very slow. Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced. Mark On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C wrote: >> >> Hi David - >> >> I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried >> counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond >> "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but >> mine is very fast. And quiet. > > Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus > after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep > was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo > it was in focus. > > Dave >> >> Mark >> >> >> On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >>> that's a bit to slow. >>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >>> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >>> photo. >>> >>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >>> >>> Another is on order for Saturday >>> >>> Dave >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinm
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
I bought the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 a week ago when my Sigma 17-50/2.8 was in for repair, I quite like it. It's pretty sharp, if it's not looking great consider checking that it's actually focused, it may need some focus adjustment. On 23 March 2014 04:14, David J Brooks wrote: > had a look at the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 and the Pentax 17-70 4 today. The > Pentax unit was much much faster than the last unit for AF, about on > par with any of my other lenses but much quieter. The Sigma was $100 > more and offered a 7 year warranty and f2.8 at the wide open end, and > AF was faster than the Pentax but i decided to go with the Pentax. The > sharpness looked a bit nicer, is lighter and the focus ring moves the > correct way. LOL > > I have till Tuesday when he send the Sigma back if i change my mind > > Time will tel > > Dave > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> Thanks for taking the time Mark C. >> >> The lenses are in to inspect. Salesman tested both lenses on what ever >> Pentax DSLR they have. Says the Pentax is better than the first one, >> but the Sigma i =s much faster on the AF than the Pentax. >> >> Time will tell Saturday >> >> Dave >> >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Mark C wrote: >>> I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think >>> that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I >>> noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I >>> tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a >>> lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera >>> often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. If I >>> then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would take a >>> second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the lens before >>> testing. >>> >>> I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to >>> focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but it >>> moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in. >>> >>> Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to get >>> a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all the >>> time. >>> >>> It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a doubt >>> the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots when the >>> camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a few issues >>> with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very accurate but very >>> slow. >>> >>> Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi David - >>>>> >>>>> I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried >>>>> counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond >>>>> "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but >>>>> mine is very fast. And quiet. >>>> >>>> Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus >>>> after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep >>>> was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo >>>> it was in focus. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all >>>>>> >>>>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >>>>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >>>>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >>>>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >>>>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >>>>>> that's a bit to slow. >>>>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >>>>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >>>>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
had a look at the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 and the Pentax 17-70 4 today. The Pentax unit was much much faster than the last unit for AF, about on par with any of my other lenses but much quieter. The Sigma was $100 more and offered a 7 year warranty and f2.8 at the wide open end, and AF was faster than the Pentax but i decided to go with the Pentax. The sharpness looked a bit nicer, is lighter and the focus ring moves the correct way. LOL I have till Tuesday when he send the Sigma back if i change my mind Time will tel Dave On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > Thanks for taking the time Mark C. > > The lenses are in to inspect. Salesman tested both lenses on what ever > Pentax DSLR they have. Says the Pentax is better than the first one, > but the Sigma i =s much faster on the AF than the Pentax. > > Time will tell Saturday > > Dave > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Mark C wrote: >> I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think >> that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I >> noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I >> tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a >> lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera >> often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. If I >> then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would take a >> second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the lens before >> testing. >> >> I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to >> focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but it >> moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in. >> >> Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to get >> a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all the >> time. >> >> It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a doubt >> the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots when the >> camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a few issues >> with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very accurate but very >> slow. >> >> Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi David - >>>> >>>> I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried >>>> counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond >>>> "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but >>>> mine is very fast. And quiet. >>> >>> Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus >>> after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep >>> was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo >>> it was in focus. >>> >>> Dave >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >>>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >>>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >>>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >>>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >>>>> that's a bit to slow. >>>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >>>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >>>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >>>>> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >>>>> photo. >>>>> >>>>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >>>>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >>>>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >>>>> >>>>> Another is on order for Saturday >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Thanks for taking the time Mark C. The lenses are in to inspect. Salesman tested both lenses on what ever Pentax DSLR they have. Says the Pentax is better than the first one, but the Sigma i =s much faster on the AF than the Pentax. Time will tell Saturday Dave On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Mark C wrote: > I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think > that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I > noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I > tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a > lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera > often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. If I > then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would take a > second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the lens before > testing. > > I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to > focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but it > moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in. > > Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to get > a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all the > time. > > It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a doubt > the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots when the > camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a few issues > with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very accurate but very > slow. > > Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced. > > Mark > > > > On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C wrote: >>> >>> Hi David - >>> >>> I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried >>> counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond >>> "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but >>> mine is very fast. And quiet. >> >> Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus >> after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep >> was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo >> it was in focus. >> >> Dave >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Hi all I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks that's a bit to slow. The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat photo. So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. Another is on order for Saturday Dave >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. If I then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would take a second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the lens before testing. I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but it moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in. Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to get a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all the time. It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a doubt the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots when the camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a few issues with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very accurate but very slow. Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced. Mark On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C wrote: Hi David - I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but mine is very fast. And quiet. Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo it was in focus. Dave Mark On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Hi all I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks that's a bit to slow. The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat photo. So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. Another is on order for Saturday Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C wrote: > Hi David - > > I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried > counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond > "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but > mine is very fast. And quiet. Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo it was in focus. Dave > > Mark > > > On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >> that's a bit to slow. >> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >> photo. >> >> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >> >> Another is on order for Saturday >> >> Dave >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:08 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > Most reviews of that lens seem to indicate that it focuses pretty fast, so I > think there's probably something wrong with the copy you've got. I'd go > back to the store and exchange it. The copy they had never made it out of the store PJ, they are getting another in. Rep says warhouse has a lot so hopefully the second one ois better. Dave > > > On 3/20/2014 12:54 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> Yes this was quiet, which is fine but way to slow, 2-3 seconds to >> focus on a static object is pretty bad i have to say. >> They have ordered another and i have asked them to order in a Sigma >> 17-70 f2.8-4 to try just in case. PF gives the Sigma 2 pixels up. >> >> Dave >> >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Ken Waller wrote: >>> >>> Without a side by side comparison I wouldn't say my 16-50 mm f2.8 D* is >>> significantly slower than any of my screw drive lenses. Seems noticeably >>> faster - and definitely quieter. >>> >>> Kenneth Waller >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza" >>> >>> Subject: Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question >>> >>> >>> >>>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, >>>> gaining it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses >>>> are >>>> slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm >>>> is a >>>> good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I >>>> don't >>>> find it THAT slow as you pointed out. >>>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens >>>> and >>>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, >>>> hunting >>>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you >>>> spotted. >>>> >>>> Dario >>>> >>>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM >>>> To: Pentax Discuss >>>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question >>>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >>>> that's a bit to slow. >>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >>>> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >>>> photo. >>>> >>>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >>>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >>>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >>>> >>>> Another is on order for Saturday >>>> >>>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> > > > -- > A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the > crazy, crazier. > > - H.L.Mencken > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Most reviews of that lens seem to indicate that it focuses pretty fast, so I think there's probably something wrong with the copy you've got. I'd go back to the store and exchange it. On 3/20/2014 12:54 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Yes this was quiet, which is fine but way to slow, 2-3 seconds to focus on a static object is pretty bad i have to say. They have ordered another and i have asked them to order in a Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4 to try just in case. PF gives the Sigma 2 pixels up. Dave On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Without a side by side comparison I wouldn't say my 16-50 mm f2.8 D* is significantly slower than any of my screw drive lenses. Seems noticeably faster - and definitely quieter. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza" Subject: Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find it THAT slow as you pointed out. There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you spotted. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM To: Pentax Discuss Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question Hi all I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks that's a bit to slow. The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat photo. So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. Another is on order for Saturday Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Yes this was quiet, which is fine but way to slow, 2-3 seconds to focus on a static object is pretty bad i have to say. They have ordered another and i have asked them to order in a Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4 to try just in case. PF gives the Sigma 2 pixels up. Dave On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Ken Waller wrote: > Without a side by side comparison I wouldn't say my 16-50 mm f2.8 D* is > significantly slower than any of my screw drive lenses. Seems noticeably > faster - and definitely quieter. > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > - Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza" > > Subject: Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question > > > >> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, >> gaining it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are >> slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a >> good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't >> find it THAT slow as you pointed out. >> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and >> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting >> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you >> spotted. >> >> Dario >> >> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks >> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM >> To: Pentax Discuss >> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question >> >> Hi all >> >> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >> that's a bit to slow. >> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >> photo. >> >> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >> >> Another is on order for Saturday >> >> Dave > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Hi David - I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but mine is very fast. And quiet. Mark On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Hi all I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks that's a bit to slow. The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat photo. So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. Another is on order for Saturday Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Yes a Henrys in Markham. They had 1 camera and 2 lenses, thats it. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > It's a Henry's isn't it? My K-3 came from the unfashionable Brampton > store where they had one counter-width devoted to Pentax. Quite well > represented, I thought. > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> Not even sure this store stocks Pentax cameras, i'll find out Sat >> >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really >>> thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your >>> own? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>>> Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds to get in focus. out >>>> side 1-2 seconds >>>> Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to >>>> order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good >>>> Even sales man said its to slow >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker >>>> wrote: >>>>> What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it? >>>>> >>>>> Try AF outdoors. >>>>> >>>>> When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like >>>>> 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds -- >>>>> while the smile fades from your portrait subject ... >>>>> >>>>> This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light >>>>> still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not >>>>>> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see >>>>>> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus. >>>>>> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, >>>>>>> gaining >>>>>>> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are >>>>>>> slower >>>>>>> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> it THAT slow as you pointed out. >>>>>>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, >>>>>>> hunting >>>>>>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you >>>>>>> spotted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dario >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM >>>>>>> To: Pentax Discuss >>>>>>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >>>>>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >>>>>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >>>>>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >>>>>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >>>>>>> that's a bit to slow. >>>>>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >>>>>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >>>>>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >>>>>>> anything and it loc
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Without a side by side comparison I wouldn't say my 16-50 mm f2.8 D* is significantly slower than any of my screw drive lenses. Seems noticeably faster - and definitely quieter. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza" Subject: Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find it THAT slow as you pointed out. There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you spotted. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM To: Pentax Discuss Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question Hi all I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks that's a bit to slow. The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat photo. So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. Another is on order for Saturday Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
It's a Henry's isn't it? My K-3 came from the unfashionable Brampton store where they had one counter-width devoted to Pentax. Quite well represented, I thought. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > Not even sure this store stocks Pentax cameras, i'll find out Sat > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really >> thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your >> own? >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds to get in focus. out >>> side 1-2 seconds >>> Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to >>> order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good >>> Even sales man said its to slow >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker >>> wrote: >>>> What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it? >>>> >>>> Try AF outdoors. >>>> >>>> When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like >>>> 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds -- >>>> while the smile fades from your portrait subject ... >>>> >>>> This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light >>>> still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks >>>> wrote: >>>>> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not >>>>> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see >>>>> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus. >>>>> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, >>>>>> gaining >>>>>> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower >>>>>> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a >>>>>> good >>>>>> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't >>>>>> find >>>>>> it THAT slow as you pointed out. >>>>>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens >>>>>> and >>>>>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting >>>>>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you >>>>>> spotted. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dario >>>>>> >>>>>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM >>>>>> To: Pentax Discuss >>>>>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all >>>>>> >>>>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >>>>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >>>>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >>>>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >>>>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >>>>>> that's a bit to slow. >>>>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >>>>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >>>>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >>>>>> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >>>>>> photo. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >>>>>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >>>>>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >>>>>> >>>>>> Another is on order for Saturday >>>>>> >>>&
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Thanks Paul. I d be happy if it focused as well as my 50-200 which is not like the 70-200 Nikon but its fast enough for me. This copy was so slow it would be useless unless doing still life's. Dave On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > The 17-70/4 that Pentax loaned me earlier this year was very fast to lock on > focus with the K-3. Almost instantaneous in good light and quite fast even in > dim light. > Paul > On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >> that's a bit to slow. >> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >> photo. >> >> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >> >> Another is on order for Saturday >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Not even sure this store stocks Pentax cameras, i'll find out Sat On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really > thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your > own? > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds to get in focus. out >> side 1-2 seconds >> Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to >> order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good >> Even sales man said its to slow >> >> >> Dave >> >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it? >>> >>> Try AF outdoors. >>> >>> When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like >>> 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds -- >>> while the smile fades from your portrait subject ... >>> >>> This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light >>> still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>>> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not >>>> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see >>>> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus. >>>> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza >>>> wrote: >>>>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, >>>>> gaining >>>>> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower >>>>> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good >>>>> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't >>>>> find >>>>> it THAT slow as you pointed out. >>>>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and >>>>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting >>>>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you >>>>> spotted. >>>>> >>>>> Dario >>>>> >>>>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM >>>>> To: Pentax Discuss >>>>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >>>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >>>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >>>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >>>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >>>>> that's a bit to slow. >>>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >>>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >>>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >>>>> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >>>>> photo. >>>>> >>>>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >>>>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >>>>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >>>>> >>>>> Another is on order for Saturday >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>>>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>>>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>>>> York Region, Ontario, Canada >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>> follow the directions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>&g
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
The 17-70/4 that Pentax loaned me earlier this year was very fast to lock on focus with the K-3. Almost instantaneous in good light and quite fast even in dim light. Paul On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > Hi all > > I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel > nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. > I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians > hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, > 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks > that's a bit to slow. > The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad > faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be > as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear > anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat > photo. > > So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow > or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw > focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. > > Another is on order for Saturday > > Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your own? On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds to get in focus. out > side 1-2 seconds > Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to > order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good > Even sales man said its to slow > > > Dave > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it? >> >> Try AF outdoors. >> >> When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like >> 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds -- >> while the smile fades from your portrait subject ... >> >> This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light >> still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF. >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not >>> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see >>> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus. >>> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza >>> wrote: >>>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, >>>> gaining >>>> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower >>>> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good >>>> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't >>>> find >>>> it THAT slow as you pointed out. >>>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and >>>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting >>>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you >>>> spotted. >>>> >>>> Dario >>>> >>>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM >>>> To: Pentax Discuss >>>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >>>> that's a bit to slow. >>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >>>> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >>>> photo. >>>> >>>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >>>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >>>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >>>> >>>> Another is on order for Saturday >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>>> York Region, Ontario, Canada >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Nessun virus nel messaggio. >>>> Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Versione: 2013.0.3462 / Database dei virus: 3722/7216 - Data di rilascio: >>>> 19/03/2014 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follo
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds to get in focus. out side 1-2 seconds Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good Even sales man said its to slow Dave On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it? > > Try AF outdoors. > > When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like > 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds -- > while the smile fades from your portrait subject ... > > This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light > still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF. > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not >> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see >> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus. >> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope. >> >> Dave >> >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza >> wrote: >>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining >>> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower >>> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good >>> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find >>> it THAT slow as you pointed out. >>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and >>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting >>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you >>> spotted. >>> >>> Dario >>> >>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM >>> To: Pentax Discuss >>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question >>> >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >>> that's a bit to slow. >>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >>> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >>> photo. >>> >>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >>> >>> Another is on order for Saturday >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>> York Region, Ontario, Canada >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Nessun virus nel messaggio. >>> Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com >>> Versione: 2013.0.3462 / Database dei virus: 3722/7216 - Data di rilascio: >>> 19/03/2014 >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it? Try AF outdoors. When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds -- while the smile fades from your portrait subject ... This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not > exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see > it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus. > Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope. > > Dave > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza > wrote: >> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining >> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower >> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good >> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find >> it THAT slow as you pointed out. >> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and >> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting >> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you >> spotted. >> >> Dario >> >> -----Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks >> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM >> To: Pentax Discuss >> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question >> >> >> Hi all >> >> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel >> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. >> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians >> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, >> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks >> that's a bit to slow. >> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad >> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be >> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear >> anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat >> photo. >> >> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow >> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw >> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. >> >> Another is on order for Saturday >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> - >> Nessun virus nel messaggio. >> Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com >> Versione: 2013.0.3462 / Database dei virus: 3722/7216 - Data di rilascio: >> 19/03/2014 >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus. Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope. Dave On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining > it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower > than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good > candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find > it THAT slow as you pointed out. > There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and > is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting > forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you > spotted. > > Dario > > -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM > To: Pentax Discuss > Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question > > > Hi all > > I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel > nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. > I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians > hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, > 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks > that's a bit to slow. > The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad > faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be > as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear > anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat > photo. > > So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow > or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw > focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. > > Another is on order for Saturday > > Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > - > Nessun virus nel messaggio. > Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com > Versione: 2013.0.3462 / Database dei virus: 3722/7216 - Data di rilascio: > 19/03/2014 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find it THAT slow as you pointed out. There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you spotted. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM To: Pentax Discuss Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question Hi all I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks that's a bit to slow. The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat photo. So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. Another is on order for Saturday Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3462 / Database dei virus: 3722/7216 - Data di rilascio: 19/03/2014 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
Hi all I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem. I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT, 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks that's a bit to slow. The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear anything and it locks on faster than Mike Johnson deleting a cat photo. So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something. Another is on order for Saturday Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax 17-70......
.. has been ordered, the Henrys Markham store will call. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD
On 2010-11-29 17:31 , Joseph McAllister wrote: Most likely to the frustration of the next PZ-1p in line for some repair work. eleven years ago i bought a Bosch washer and dryer that i had noticed unmarked in a back room at an appliance store; at first the manager wasn't sure whether he could sell them; finally he decided he could and he gave me a great price once delivered, the washer wouldn't power up; the seller came and took a look and was puzzled; so he called in a professional who quickly discovered the main logic board was missing, and called the seller; someone on the seller's staff suddenly remembered why they were sitting in that back room -- the logic board had been cannibalized to repair another unit ... (been working perfectly ever since) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD
On Nov 29, 2010, at 13:23 , Ken Waller wrote: > Unfortunately not a new phenomenon. > I ran into this years ago when the PZ1P was still current. I needed the film > advance motor to be replaced. I was told by Pentax repair in Colorado that > they had no replacement available & had no idea when one was due. After > waiting a few months I told them to replace the body (it was still under > warranty) and viola a replacement motor magically found its way into my PZ1P ! Most likely to the frustration of the next PZ-1p in line for some repair work. :-) I've worked as a parts supervisor of a 1970's audio repair facility in Framingham, MA. At the bottom of the hill below BOSE "on the mountain". When the New York office called and told us to find the part "somewhere" in the in-house repairs or unpack a new unit from the warehouse, we knew someone had gone up the chain to get action on OUR lousy supply chain. This was back in the day when we had over 150 various transistors, bins of resistors, capacitors, diodes that we chose from to replace on a failed circuit board, well before some bean counters realized it was less expensive to replace the circuit boards when you considered man hours wasted on troubleshooting and making a component repair on an unit that manufacturing costs were just over the repair costs. That's why these days you are frequently advised (APPLE, are you listening?) to replace a unit out of warranty rather than repair it. At your expense, of course. To emphasize that point, they will engineer your unit obsolete in 18 months anyway. :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD
Unfortunately not a new phenomenon. I ran into this years ago when the PZ1P was still current. I needed the film advance motor to be replaced. I was told by Pentax repair in Colorado that they had no replacement available & had no idea when one was due. After waiting a few months I told them to replace the body (it was still under warranty) and viola a replacement motor magically found its way into my PZ1P ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Igor Roshchin" Subject: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD Earlier this month, I sent my 17-70/4 zoom for repair (while it was still under warranty, - before the end of the 1st year). It had problems focusing on the long end of the focal length, - AF (and I couldn't get the focus confirmation when focusing manually). I just spoke with the service center, and they told me that they are waiting for the parts (the circuit board), and Pentax has no ETA for its arrival. I also spoke with the Pentax Support, but they haven't given any estimates either. 1. I wonder what is happening with PEntax that they don't have even ETA for their parts. 2. I wonder if this problem (or more likely, - the absence of the circuit boards) can be related to the infamous SDM problem. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD
I had the same response (no ETA for parts) when I sent my k-7 in for repair about a year ago. It needed a new circuit board, too, iirc... In the end, it took about 6 weeks. (Longer than the length of time I had owned the camera at that point.) I hope you have better luck. -c On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > Earlier this month, I sent my 17-70/4 zoom for repair (while it was still > under warranty, - before the end of the 1st year). > It had problems focusing on the long end of the focal length, - > AF (and I couldn't get the focus confirmation when focusing manually). > > I just spoke with the service center, and they told me that > they are waiting for the parts (the circuit board), and Pentax > has no ETA for its arrival. > I also spoke with the Pentax Support, but they haven't given any > estimates either. > > 1. I wonder what is happening with PEntax that they don't have even ETA > for their parts. > > 2. I wonder if this problem (or more likely, - the absence of the > circuit boards) can be related to the infamous SDM problem. > > Igor > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD
Earlier this month, I sent my 17-70/4 zoom for repair (while it was still under warranty, - before the end of the 1st year). It had problems focusing on the long end of the focal length, - AF (and I couldn't get the focus confirmation when focusing manually). I just spoke with the service center, and they told me that they are waiting for the parts (the circuit board), and Pentax has no ETA for its arrival. I also spoke with the Pentax Support, but they haven't given any estimates either. 1. I wonder what is happening with PEntax that they don't have even ETA for their parts. 2. I wonder if this problem (or more likely, - the absence of the circuit boards) can be related to the infamous SDM problem. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-28mm fisheye
On Aug 27, 2010, at 16:50, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: > A local retailer has the Pentax-F 17-28 fisheye for $300. > But then I found this for much less > http://www.tristatecamera.com/lookat.php?sku=PENF1728*&store=1&levels=003100 > 730214&sti= > Is one under-priced? > It's a tempting lens. > If you're shooting digital, you will probably find that a 17mm fisheye is disappointingly "normal with some bendy lines"-looking. I had the Zenitar 16mm fisheye for years, but almost never used it on my ist-DS because it wasn't "fisheye enough" if you get my meaning. Film would be another subject altogether... -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargian at Amazon.
There must me an online formula virus making the rounds. I just ordered some pants and shorts from an online company, and the 30% off prices varied depending on what method you used to approach the page, search, sale, or waist size. Same item(s), same picture, different prices. I documented it with screen shots, emailed them, and demanded a refund of the overcharge. On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:15 , P. J. Alling wrote: I was checking it out last night, added it to my cart got a price of $366.99, didn't bother to clear the cart, went back the price is now $70 off list. I should have posted it last night. Igor Roshchin wrote: .. $250 off -- of what price? I don't see any new Pentax 17-70 on Amazon for less then ~$530. At the same time, at B&H: $489.95, Adorama: $479.95. Are you sure you are not looking at Sigma 17-70? Igor On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400 "P. J. Alling" wrote: Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off. I don't know how long the sale will be for. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargian at Amazon.
I was checking it out last night, added it to my cart got a price of $366.99, didn't bother to clear the cart, went back the price is now $70 off list. I should have posted it last night. Igor Roshchin wrote: .. $250 off -- of what price? I don't see any new Pentax 17-70 on Amazon for less then ~$530. At the same time, at B&H: $489.95, Adorama: $479.95. Are you sure you are not looking at Sigma 17-70? Igor On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400 "P. J. Alling" wrote: Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off. I don't know how long the sale will be for. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargian at Amazon.
.. $250 off -- of what price? I don't see any new Pentax 17-70 on Amazon for less then ~$530. At the same time, at B&H: $489.95, Adorama: $479.95. Are you sure you are not looking at Sigma 17-70? Igor On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400 "P. J. Alling" wrote: > Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off. I > don't know how long the sale will be for. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargain at Amazon.
Yea, and just as I reported it was over... Subash wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400 "P. J. Alling" wrote: Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off. I don't know how long the sale will be for. which should, i would guess, bring up some question related to bargian... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargian at Amazon.
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400 "P. J. Alling" wrote: > Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off. I > don't know how long the sale will be for. > which should, i would guess, bring up some question related to bargian... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax 17-70 Bargian at Amazon.
Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off. I don't know how long the sale will be for. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [pentax 17-28 fisheye
At 03:08 PM 6/16/02 +0930, you wrote: >i just love this lens >but that maybe because i have a distorted veiw of the world lol Is this lens a fisheye throughout its entire range or does it go rectilinear at some point? Gary J. Sibio - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Good PR for Pentax 17-28mm zoom
The February issue of Popular Photography, page 72 has some flattering ("very
groovy") comments regarding Pentax 17-28mm f/3.5-4.5 Zoom.
Ken Waller
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Re: I am waiting for a Pentax 17-35mm f/:2.8 FA IF ED AL etc....
Hi Nicolas, I don't understand your logic very well. You say you are a young student so the price of the new MZ-S is disappointing to you, but then you say you are waiting for an 17-35mm f2.8??? Did you ever look at the price tickets of these beasts? Not to mention their size and weight. Since you have the luck to live in France, where the second hand market is extraordinary cheap, I would suggest completing your MZ-3, FA35mmf2, FA43mmf1.9, FA85mm1.4 setup with for exemple: M28mm f2.0 215gr., 49mm filter like your 35mm, FNAC price 530FF A20mm f2.8 245gr., 67mm filter like your 85mm, FNAC price 1590FF And since you are not very happy with your 43mm, exchange it for: M15mmf3.5 FNAC price 870FF and an M50mm f1.4 FNAC price 300FF, and take a weekend in Nice with the change. Now if you can't take good pictures with that setup, change to Nikon, because it's not possible to take a bad picture with a Nikon, as we all know :-). No seriously A) the weight difference makes photography much more comfortable, especially with compact reflex bodies, and that's what Pentax is all about. B) in most cased you don't want AF with wideangles, the results are just better when focussed manually. It is diffucult to focus a wideangle, but even more for an AF system then for an eye. Our brain can guess at what would be the sharpest position, an AF system can't. And when you photograph from a tripod, it's a real pain to have any AF system select what you want with a wideangle. C) in a lot of cases you don't want a zoom either, because a good depth of field scale is a very important accessory for wide angle photography. (When used properly, understanding that the DOF marks show the limit of "acceptable" UNsharpness on a small print, and certainly not the limit of sharpness on a big enlargment) And it's not Pentax fault that Nikon and Canon pro's need these fast wide angle zooms with their APS size digital sensors. So if Pentax ever makes such a lens, it will be because of the current fashion, not because it is a photographic necessity for the average Pentax customer. Just my opinion, Erwin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
I am waiting for a Pentax 17-35mm f/:2.8 FA IF ED AL etc....
> Hello Everybody > Does anybody heard something about a 17-35mm f/:2.8 Zoom made by Pentax ??? > See you > > Pentaxclover > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
