Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-26 Thread John Sessoms

Got spamcopped from Yahoo, so I'll try again from the other side.


On 9/26/2013 9:18 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 9/26/2013 5:34 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/9/13, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:


you do need to verfiy student or teacher status

Correct. Which of course I won't be doing. My son sends a photocopy of
his student ID to Adobe, they send back the serial.



How big a package of it do they send?



The box says "NET WT 24.8 OZ (1 LB 8.8 0Z)(703 g)", but "some settling
of contents may occur."


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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-26 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 26/9/13, P.J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>How big a package of it do they send?

not arrived yet will report back

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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-26 Thread P.J. Alling

On 9/26/2013 5:34 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/9/13, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:


you do need to verfiy student or teacher status

Correct. Which of course I won't be doing. My son sends a photocopy of
his student ID to Adobe, they send back the serial.



How big a package of it do they send?

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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-26 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 25/9/13, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:

>you do need to verfiy student or teacher status

Correct. Which of course I won't be doing. My son sends a photocopy of
his student ID to Adobe, they send back the serial.

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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-25 Thread John

On 9/25/2013 7:32 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2013-09-24 20:08 John wrote

CS6 Extended Student & Teacher Edition is $344 from Academic Superstore.

Student/Teacher edition qualifies for upgrades just like regular shrink
wrap editions. But I don't know if there's ever going to be a CS7 to
upgrade to.


no, there will never be a CS7; they simply wrote the CS6 upgrade terms
before that was announced; you do need to verfiy student or teacher status




Yeah, I had to do that with another Adobe product when I was a student &
qualified for the student/teacher edition. Maybe it was Lightroom 3.

It wasn't a big deal, I had to fax them a copy of my student ID & the
receipt for my tuition that semester.

Photoshop student/teacher never worked for me because I was already a
registered user & the upgrade price was less than student/teacher. By
the time CS6 came along with the jump to the extended edition I had
already graduated.

Student/teacher was a good deal because they didn't disqualify it from
future upgrades. Maybe they'll see the error of their ways and someday
there will be another version. I don't know, but for now, I'm not
signing up for the clud version.

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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-25 Thread steve harley

on 2013-09-24 20:08 John wrote

CS6 Extended Student & Teacher Edition is $344 from Academic Superstore.

Student/Teacher edition qualifies for upgrades just like regular shrink
wrap editions. But I don't know if there's ever going to be a CS7 to
upgrade to.


no, there will never be a CS7; they simply wrote the CS6 upgrade terms before 
that was announced; you do need to verfiy student or teacher status



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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-25 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 24/9/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>I'm telling my students to grab a copy of CS6 fast if they can find
>it.

Interesting!

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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-24 Thread steve harley

on 2013-09-24 17:09 Steve Cottrell wrote

I have a personal aversion to anything cloud.


please tune your aversion-detector to the term "subscription"

Adobe's "Creative Cloud" (CC) is a marketing blunderbuss; "cloud" in the name 
is a complete misnomer for the core product, which is simply a subscription; 
there is a cloud storage feature as a minor add-on, but it's optional and to 
many users quite meaningless; the software is not cloud software, it is on your 
desktop


there are pros and cons to buying CS6 instead; it is a perpetual license, but 
will gradually fall behind whatever wonderful things Adobe is adding to CC; in 
the US at least, the student price for CS6 _or_ CC is pretty good; i had a CC 
subscription until May, then dropped it and am considering doing some 
coursework in part to get reasonable pricing on Adobe products





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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
John wrote:

>On 9/24/2013 8:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting. Just spent 234 GBP on CS6  extended student edition for
>>> Stef. He sends proof of his uni place and Adobe sends the serial. Of
>>> course they much prefer to lock him into the cloud version, and the
>>> student pricing is 16 quid a month. So after 15 months the software has
>>> reached 'crossover'. That said, at least you get updates automatically.
>>> I have a personal aversion to anything cloud. He gets to use Uni Macs
>>> with CS on there but will be doing a lot of work on the move.
>>>
>>> Meh. I get along fine with CS1 (Photoshop 8) !!!
>>
>> If you get along fine with PS CS, you'd probably get along just fine with 
>> Photoshop Elements now. It likely has even more stuff in it and will be more 
>> compatible with OS X Mountain Lion and beyond.
>>
>> I run PSCS 5. I don't use it enough to do an update anymore. LR does 99.9% 
>> of everything I need.
>
>Do either one of them allow adjustment layers?

Lightroom allows you to apply (multiple) adjustments with masks, which
accomplishes pretty much everything a photographer would want to do
with layers.

Photoshop has become pretty much a graphic designer's tool these days.
That's about all I use it for except in rare cases.
 
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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-24 Thread John

On 9/24/2013 8:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:


Interesting. Just spent 234 GBP on CS6  extended student edition for
Stef. He sends proof of his uni place and Adobe sends the serial. Of
course they much prefer to lock him into the cloud version, and the
student pricing is 16 quid a month. So after 15 months the software has
reached 'crossover'. That said, at least you get updates automatically.
I have a personal aversion to anything cloud. He gets to use Uni Macs
with CS on there but will be doing a lot of work on the move.

Meh. I get along fine with CS1 (Photoshop 8) !!!


If you get along fine with PS CS, you'd probably get along just fine with 
Photoshop Elements now. It likely has even more stuff in it and will be more 
compatible with OS X Mountain Lion and beyond.

I run PSCS 5. I don't use it enough to do an update anymore. LR does 99.9% of 
everything I need.

G



Do either one of them allow adjustment layers?

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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-24 Thread John

CS6 Extended Student & Teacher Edition is $344 from Academic Superstore.

Student/Teacher edition qualifies for upgrades just like regular shrink
wrap editions. But I don't know if there's ever going to be a CS7 to
upgrade to.

The upgrade from CS5 to CS6 Extended was $399. They didn't appear to
offer a non-extended version of CS6 at the time I upgraded & they were
also going through all that rigamarole about only allowing upgrades from
one level back.

On 9/24/2013 8:13 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Steve Cottrell wrote:


Interesting. Just spent 234 GBP on CS6  extended student edition for
Stef. He sends proof of his uni place and Adobe sends the serial. Of
course they much prefer to lock him into the cloud version, and the
student pricing is 16 quid a month. So after 15 months the software has
reached 'crossover'. That said, at least you get updates automatically.
I have a personal aversion to anything cloud. He gets to use Uni Macs
with CS on there but will be doing a lot of work on the move.

Meh. I get along fine with CS1 (Photoshop 8) !!!


I'm telling my students to grab a copy of CS6 fast if they can find
it.




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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-24 Thread John

On 9/24/2013 7:09 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Interesting. Just spent 234 GBP on CS6  extended student edition for
Stef. He sends proof of his uni place and Adobe sends the serial. Of
course they much prefer to lock him into the cloud version, and the
student pricing is 16 quid a month. So after 15 months the software has
reached 'crossover'. That said, at least you get updates automatically.
I have a personal aversion to anything cloud. He gets to use Uni Macs
with CS on there but will be doing a lot of work on the move.

Meh. I get along fine with CS1 (Photoshop 8) !!!



I thought it was just CS? It didn't become CS# until CS2.

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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> Interesting. Just spent 234 GBP on CS6  extended student edition for
> Stef. He sends proof of his uni place and Adobe sends the serial. Of
> course they much prefer to lock him into the cloud version, and the
> student pricing is 16 quid a month. So after 15 months the software has
> reached 'crossover'. That said, at least you get updates automatically.
> I have a personal aversion to anything cloud. He gets to use Uni Macs
> with CS on there but will be doing a lot of work on the move.
> 
> Meh. I get along fine with CS1 (Photoshop 8) !!!

If you get along fine with PS CS, you'd probably get along just fine with 
Photoshop Elements now. It likely has even more stuff in it and will be more 
compatible with OS X Mountain Lion and beyond. 

I run PSCS 5. I don't use it enough to do an update anymore. LR does 99.9% of 
everything I need. 

G
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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Cottrell wrote:

>Interesting. Just spent 234 GBP on CS6  extended student edition for
>Stef. He sends proof of his uni place and Adobe sends the serial. Of
>course they much prefer to lock him into the cloud version, and the
>student pricing is 16 quid a month. So after 15 months the software has
>reached 'crossover'. That said, at least you get updates automatically.
>I have a personal aversion to anything cloud. He gets to use Uni Macs
>with CS on there but will be doing a lot of work on the move.
>
>Meh. I get along fine with CS1 (Photoshop 8) !!!

By the way, Cotty. Sensible people like you are the reason we're
getting the "cloud" thing rammed down our throats. They can't make
(enough) money from satisfied customers who don't need to upgrade all
the time.
 
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Re: Photoshop musings

2013-09-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Cottrell wrote:

>Interesting. Just spent 234 GBP on CS6  extended student edition for
>Stef. He sends proof of his uni place and Adobe sends the serial. Of
>course they much prefer to lock him into the cloud version, and the
>student pricing is 16 quid a month. So after 15 months the software has
>reached 'crossover'. That said, at least you get updates automatically.
>I have a personal aversion to anything cloud. He gets to use Uni Macs
>with CS on there but will be doing a lot of work on the move.
>
>Meh. I get along fine with CS1 (Photoshop 8) !!!

I'm telling my students to grab a copy of CS6 fast if they can find
it.
 
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Photoshop musings

2013-09-24 Thread Steve Cottrell
Interesting. Just spent 234 GBP on CS6  extended student edition for
Stef. He sends proof of his uni place and Adobe sends the serial. Of
course they much prefer to lock him into the cloud version, and the
student pricing is 16 quid a month. So after 15 months the software has
reached 'crossover'. That said, at least you get updates automatically.
I have a personal aversion to anything cloud. He gets to use Uni Macs
with CS on there but will be doing a lot of work on the move.

Meh. I get along fine with CS1 (Photoshop 8) !!!

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