Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
It's considered impolite to point that out here in Virgina. Steve (from Massachusetts) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/03 12:31AM On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:30:41 -0500, Steve Desjardins wrote: Stonewall Jackson is actually buried in that cemetery [...] Yeah, but his arm is buried at, I think, the Spottsylvania Court House battlefield park. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
I stopped paying attention to this thread and it just grew out of control. Thanks for the comments. I think my own taste in photos is more off center than most. I also find cemeteries an irresistible subject, especially old ones. For the Americans in the group (and the trivia fans among the rest), Stonewall Jackson is actually buried in that cemetery along with many other confederate casualties. Many little confederate flags decorate the graves, making it an especially unusual place. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:30:41 -0500, Steve Desjardins wrote: Stonewall Jackson is actually buried in that cemetery [...] Yeah, but his arm is buried at, I think, the Spottsylvania Court House battlefield park. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: Cropping (was: Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1)
Cotty wrote: On 3/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, mostly, do what you think is best ~for you~. I like what Michael Reichmann told me: The camera manufacturer has no right in the world to tell me what height to width ratio to make my photographs! Aside from that, what happens when you send in a roll of neg and get yer prints back - ever seen how much you lose on the edges to machine printing?? It might only be a small crop, but it's a crop. How much do the slide boys and girls lose on mounting? Stirring, Cheers, Cotty grin Do you suppose that's why most viewfinders only display 85 to 96% of the actual image recorded? So that when printed or put in the frame, the end result pretty much covedrs as you think it should? I'd venture it cuts down the odds of missing something right out on the edge you purposefully included in your in-camera framing... keith
Re: Cropping (was: Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1)
Cotty wrote: On 3/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, mostly, do what you think is best ~for you~. I like what Michael Reichmann told me: The camera manufacturer has no right in the world to tell me what height to width ratio to make my photographs! Aside from that, what happens when you send in a roll of neg and get yer prints back - ever seen how much you lose on the edges to machine printing?? It might only be a small crop, but it's a crop. How much do the slide boys and girls lose on mounting? Stirring, Cheers, Cotty If you ask for boarders they will print full frame, the image is a tad smaller than full 4 x 6 but they look a lot better - especially black boarders. annsan ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
Cotty wrote: Got Carrot? by Pat Kong, USA A first PUG entry for Pat. Nice effort - that shot is crying out for a just a head shot on the nag. Not easy as they move on a whim. Shoot ASAP for the banker shot, then move forward trying again. If he moves, use the first and crop in. Of course you might like all the trees and headroom in which case ignore me! It was fun putting together this entry. From picking the shot, to scanning the negative (a rookie there) and cleaning up the dust spots (took a bit of trial error). Then editting. I contemplated cropping everyone out except the pony. But for some reason, the lines of the fencing kept grabbing my attention. I guess I could have cropped some of the trees out of the background and still have the fencing left. The horse stood still while I was at that distance. I was out of carrots he knew it. As I got closer, he took off for the other side of the pen. Dang. Thanks for the comments. Pat in SF __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/
RE: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
Border Delight by Zoomshot, UK Another all digital capture, and what a stunner. Flowers on black background always look great, the very direct light playing on the petals creating interesting patterns. A closer square crop would add rather than detract, for me. A closer crop would look better but I wanted to post full frame. Thanks for your comments. Ziggy
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on 02.11.03 19:18, Cotty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bee... by Sylwester Pietrzyk, Poland This one caught my eye the minute the PUG started spitting up thumbnails. Striking composition with lots of parallels - the petals and greenery at left, the curve of the bee's body with the soft petal behind - it all works very well indeed. Nice colour. The crop - I think i would prefer tighter or looser - always a difficult decision with something like this. The focus on the bee has to be sharp as a pin, and it's not far off. Depth of field at these distances are tighter than a natt's chuff and Sylwester has done well. Fine shot, well done. Thanks a lot Cotty! And thanks for the joke - it made my monday morning smiley ;-) Anyway, you have to try Polish mead if you can (póltorak or dwójniak are the best - they are made in 1:1.5 or 1:2 proportions water to honey respectively), of course possible only thanks to bees ;-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
On 3/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: What I do think is that each of us must find his or her own way, and believe in it. Then can be respected. that's all sounding remarkably Zen, Cotty. Are you turning Japanese? Zen and the Art of Macintosh Maintenance ;-) No, just enjoying this mellowing out lark as I get older... Sorta like the.a...the 'LX' feeling... but without the LX :-( Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
On 2 Nov 2003 at 18:18, Cotty wrote: Water Lilies by Katrin, Germany Katrin's first PUG submission and it's a serene study of water lillies with some gorgeous blooms, shot on Kodak's first class emulsion 'Farbwelt ', apparently. I put that through Babel and pops out as 'colour world', what jolly fun. Considering it's a straight scan, it's a nice effort Katrin. Very Japanesey ;-) Thank you very much for your comment ^_^ I like the colors in the print better, but I'm not very good at photoshop and I'm sitting too much in front of the pc already so I don't feel like getting deeply involved with it... I've not idea what that film is in English ^_^ It's just the Standard Kodak film you get everywhere If you translate color world into Japanese you would probably get something like sekai no iru ;-) ... now since I make japanesey pictures maybe I make it finally to Japan ^_- bye Katrin ** Desertrose Chris' Katrin's X Japan homepage! Please visit it! http://www.xjapan.de * From now on I will try to live for you and for me. I will live with love...with dreams... and forever with tears.. **
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
You know, Keith, I agree with you, but I must admit that lately, I've been having impure thoughts (Forgive me, Father, I have sinned. This month, I thought about cropping a photograph I took). I was in the never crop, it's evil, if you do your framing in the viewfinder you shouldn't have to, I wanna be like HCB, yadda yadda yadda camp. Now, were I HCB, I could get away with it. But I've recently come to realize that I'm not him. I've had a few shots that were okay, but when extraneous crap is cut out, or when I crop in nice and close - BAM! - everything snaps into place, and the photo now has ~impact~. Part of that epiphany is that I've been shooting a fair bit with my rangefinder, and the framing just isn't precise with that, even with parallax error compensation. Part of the epiphany is that I've been shooting more street photography (with the rangefinder, mostly), and sometimes, to capture that decisive moment (to borrow you-know-who's term), ya gotta snap when maybe you're not close enough, or when it's not perfectly framed. Capturing moments is sometimes more important than perfect framing, I'm now coming to realize. So, to sum up: try to compose in the viewfinder when possible. But don't allow dogma to cause you to miss out on giving a photo more impact. No one sees my negs except me and my lab-guy. The world at large is only interested in what my prints look like. But, mostly, do what you think is best ~for you~. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 07:22:51 -0800 I always crop in-camera, if I can, before pressing the shutter. I know that for some shots I don't have a long enough lens, and some of those I'll crop (or throw away) but generally speaking, if I don't like it in the viewfinder, I don't take it! Tight is better, in most things. keith Cotty wrote: On 3/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Cotty, perhaps this invites a PUG topics - full-frame and you-must-crop... By the way, I'm experiencing now and odd pre-conception - that I shouldn't crop... Can it be that Honest Bill's honesty is infectious? VBG Bori O contraire mon frere. There is a big school who follow 'Thou Shalt Not Crop' zealously. I can see the attraction of the simplicity and photographic pureness this feeling engenders but personally I think it's a bag of balls. What I do think is that each of us must find his or her own way, and believe in it. Then can be respected. I may think that not cropping a shot after the fact is nonesense, but I certainly respect people who do it. I'm looking at the finished article, what is presented for me to see - how it was achieved is incidental and anecdotal. best, Cheers, Cotty _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, mostly, do what you think is best ~for you~. I like what Michael Reichmann told me: The camera manufacturer has no right in the world to tell me what height to width ratio to make my photographs! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
I like what Michael Reichmann told me: The camera manufacturer has no right in the world to tell me what height to width ratio to make my photographs! Nowadays that decision seems to be delegated to printer manufacturers :-)
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
Hi! ===8==Original message text=== MR frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, mostly, do what you think is best ~for you~. MR I like what Michael Reichmann told me: The camera manufacturer has no MR right in the world to tell me what height to width ratio to make my MR photographs! ===8===End of original message text=== I wonder whether Michael Reichmann has any mathematical background... I think that normally camera manufacturer has no right whatsoever to tell you what kind of manner you should use taking your photographs... But then again, at least 1/3 of my education was pure math... I agree with Frank, Mark, and Michael Reichmann. It is not that I pull a hair out of my head each time I crop or anything like that. It is just that I try to do as much as possible with my camera and lens while taking the shot, not afterwards... Ideally, all I needed do was to take a shot, scan it, resize it and add my standard frame to make it postable on the web. Otherwise, just take a shot, develop the film and print the outcome... But I am afraid, my approach toward the ideal would be purely asymptotic vbg... Boris
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Thanks Cotty, I would like to claim some skill was involved but it was all luck. There are many problems with modern cameras but TTL flash isn't one of them. With this shot and the K1000 it was more of guess and pray. Evan From: Cotty No Macro Required by Evan Hanson, USA Beautiful composition with a stunning insect that glows as if lit by neon from within. Looks like he's straddling dunes at night which adds to the eery quality. Had to look twice. Really nice shot.
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
Hey, now there's an idea for a good theme one month: No Cropping. -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Actually that would be rather interesting if we all posted full frames and also finished crops on the PUG. best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
Thanks for the comments, Cotty. It's my picture, so I get to write the title. The orientation of the PUG entry is the way I took the shot. I was leaning over the pool, and the otter was floating with his feet pointed at me, so I used a vertical orientation to get as much of him in the viewfinder as possible. He's a wriggly little rascal, and hard to keep in the viewfinder and in focus. Cotty wrote: You Otter be in Pictures by Dan Matyola, USA That's the worst title I've ever seen. Back of the class Dan! Nice grab of a furry water friend in unusual orientation. I take it the shot is horizontal originally? Works for me.
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
Hi! ===8==Original message text=== C On 2/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Oh, I did crop it when I printed it. I've just gotten into the habit of posting my PUG entries full frame. Dumb I guess, but I feel more honest that way. C Would you buy a print from Honest Bill the Photographer? ;-) C Actually that would be rather interesting if we all posted full frames C and also finished crops on the PUG. C best, C Cheers, C Cotty ===8===End of original message text=== I suppose I would buy a print from Honest Bill grin... Cotty, perhaps this invites a PUG topics - full-frame and you-must-crop... By the way, I'm experiencing now and odd pre-conception - that I shouldn't crop... Can it be that Honest Bill's honesty is infectious? VBG Bori
