Re: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life
Markus Maurer wrote: > Hi Pentaxians > I know that some of you have very successfully photographed table tops of > glass and other shiny reflecting materials so I'm looking for some advice > here: > > I'm looking for a way to present two bottles of 1959 burgunder wine and a > crystal glass from 1959 in a tasteful manner. > I made a test shot with a Pentax Optio 330 and the integrated flash to > trigger a slave flash from the top at 45 degrees and another slave flash for > the background only > and the bottle and glass are in a large white light tent. The visible part > of the tent in the background was then removed in Photoshop. > > The final photo will be made with the Pentax 50mm macro or Tamron 90mm macro > on film and I could use lights instead of the flashes too if needed. I will > not use the red tablet but maybe some stones or old wood branches instead > and seek for any ideas as well. > > But first I need some help how to set up the crystal glass so that the > engraved 1959 (not visible yet) on the front and the other decorations like > the large eagle can be seen very well. > Do I need some black paper on the opposite site of the flash to make the > 1959 stand out? > > Thanks for any ideas regarding the glass or the overall setup in advance :-) > > www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/wine1959.jpg for a "tasteful" setup of such a bottle and glass, I'd ditch the bright red plate and high-key white background. I'd try to find some warm light and an old/antique table with a nice runner and some accessories lying around (corkscrew, etc). for lighting the glass so you can read the date, I'd suggest trying different angles, no direct flash, and using a darker background (but something "natural" like wood paneling. fun project. Good luck. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life
Hi Christian thanks for the good advice, I'm busy watching out for "old" and matching accessories. So far I have two bottles of the same age and that glass and some old silver plates. You can see them here, but this is by far not what I want to achieve in the end, it's some bad photoshopping so far as an exercise only :-) www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/wine1959_2.jpg I will try some lightning with a reflector and dark backgrounds too, maybe one light from the side and above and a background light will be enough. It is indeed an interesting "birthday project" for me and I will learn a lot too :-) greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christian Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life Markus Maurer wrote: > Hi Pentaxians > I know that some of you have very successfully photographed table tops of > glass and other shiny reflecting materials so I'm looking for some advice > here: > > I'm looking for a way to present two bottles of 1959 burgunder wine and a > crystal glass from 1959 in a tasteful manner. > I made a test shot with a Pentax Optio 330 and the integrated flash to > trigger a slave flash from the top at 45 degrees and another slave flash for > the background only > and the bottle and glass are in a large white light tent. The visible part > of the tent in the background was then removed in Photoshop. > > The final photo will be made with the Pentax 50mm macro or Tamron 90mm macro > on film and I could use lights instead of the flashes too if needed. I will > not use the red tablet but maybe some stones or old wood branches instead > and seek for any ideas as well. > > But first I need some help how to set up the crystal glass so that the > engraved 1959 (not visible yet) on the front and the other decorations like > the large eagle can be seen very well. > Do I need some black paper on the opposite site of the flash to make the > 1959 stand out? > > Thanks for any ideas regarding the glass or the overall setup in advance :-) > > www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/wine1959.jpg for a "tasteful" setup of such a bottle and glass, I'd ditch the bright red plate and high-key white background. I'd try to find some warm light and an old/antique table with a nice runner and some accessories lying around (corkscrew, etc). for lighting the glass so you can read the date, I'd suggest trying different angles, no direct flash, and using a darker background (but something "natural" like wood paneling. fun project. Good luck. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life
Gonz wrote: > Markus, > > The bright colors dont seem to go with the old bottle, especially the > white high key background. I would prefer a rich bar-like atmosphere, > dark background and seductively lit. Try a warm spotlight on the > label and the glass. > > This is something like the kind of lighting I'm talking about: > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2960497 > > rg That's kinda what I was trying to say. good example. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life
Markus, The bright colors dont seem to go with the old bottle, especially the white high key background. I would prefer a rich bar-like atmosphere, dark background and seductively lit. Try a warm spotlight on the label and the glass. This is something like the kind of lighting I'm talking about: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2960497 rg On 2/16/07, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Pentaxians > I know that some of you have very successfully photographed table tops of > glass and other shiny reflecting materials so I'm looking for some advice > here: > > I'm looking for a way to present two bottles of 1959 burgunder wine and a > crystal glass from 1959 in a tasteful manner. > I made a test shot with a Pentax Optio 330 and the integrated flash to > trigger a slave flash from the top at 45 degrees and another slave flash for > the background only > and the bottle and glass are in a large white light tent. The visible part > of the tent in the background was then removed in Photoshop. > > The final photo will be made with the Pentax 50mm macro or Tamron 90mm macro > on film and I could use lights instead of the flashes too if needed. I will > not use the red tablet but maybe some stones or old wood branches instead > and seek for any ideas as well. > > But first I need some help how to set up the crystal glass so that the > engraved 1959 (not visible yet) on the front and the other decorations like > the large eagle can be seen very well. > Do I need some black paper on the opposite site of the flash to make the > 1959 stand out? > > Thanks for any ideas regarding the glass or the overall setup in advance :-) > > www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/wine1959.jpg > > > Markus > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Markus Maurer wrote: > accessories. > So far I have two bottles of the same age and that glass and some old silver > plates. > You can see them here, but this is by far not what I want to achieve in the > end, it's some bad photoshopping so far as an exercise only :-) > > http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/wine1959_2.jpg For 1959 Bourgogne (and the specific utensils in the above) I would think cellar (brick or stone walls with mortar showing) to be good background. Useful accessories may be polished silver dishes or a crystal/glass decanter (half-filled with potentially different red wine perhaps?). Maybe remove the dust as well and use more lounge-style background in that case. I am also wondering if a full-on, lower shooting-point would work. Please keep posting! Kostas (adding http:// at the beginning of the URL as I did above will help me, but if it's a pain I will live without it :-)) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life
It's a good and well executed example and I will try something similar. I have an old "doctors" leather case for a background from that times but will not "burn down" my nearly mint Spotmatic F like the one in the photo for this experiment . But hey, my Agfa Ambiflex SLR is exactly dated 1959 and it has a leather case too. thanks again Christian, Gonz and Kostas. Another tricky decision for me will be what things to clean beside the glass and where to leave the original dust on I hope I don't bore the PDML crowd with my step by step development of a still life idea from 1959 :-) Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christian Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 5:44 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life Gonz wrote: > Markus, > > The bright colors dont seem to go with the old bottle, especially the > white high key background. I would prefer a rich bar-like atmosphere, > dark background and seductively lit. Try a warm spotlight on the > label and the glass. > > This is something like the kind of lighting I'm talking about: > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2960497 > > rg That's kinda what I was trying to say. good example. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Markus Maurer wrote: > Another tricky decision for me will be what things to clean beside the > glass and where to leave the original dust on You may want to give it a different feel by leaving the glass in a damp environment to get dusty and even get some spider webs. I would experiment with the dirty looks before scrubing, as patina can be removed almost instantly but replacing it needs tiiime... Handle the bottles with care. > I hope I don't bore the PDML crowd with my step by step development of a > still life idea from 1959 :-) Aye, right, let's talk aperture simulators, much more interesting. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life
Markus maybe something like this? http://pug.komkon.org/02apr/fruit3jc.html That was lit with unassisted window light from the left. On my screen now it looks over-exposed. but I think that's just my monitor! The table is our dining-room table (c. 1900, complete with axe-mark!), covered with a dark green damask tablecloth, and the tipped-over wine glass at the top was added to complement the curves of the dish and to fill the void in the rectangular area of the frame.. HTH John Coyle Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com) Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: "Gonz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:41 AM Subject: Re: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life > Markus, > > The bright colors dont seem to go with the old bottle, especially the > white high key background. I would prefer a rich bar-like atmosphere, > dark background and seductively lit. Try a warm spotlight on the > label and the glass. > > This is something like the kind of lighting I'm talking about: > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2960497 > > rg > > > On 2/16/07, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Pentaxians >> I know that some of you have very successfully photographed table tops of >> glass and other shiny reflecting materials so I'm looking for some advice >> here: >> >> I'm looking for a way to present two bottles of 1959 burgunder wine and a >> crystal glass from 1959 in a tasteful manner. >> I made a test shot with a Pentax Optio 330 and the integrated flash to >> trigger a slave flash from the top at 45 degrees and another slave flash >> for >> the background only >> and the bottle and glass are in a large white light tent. The visible >> part >> of the tent in the background was then removed in Photoshop. >> >> The final photo will be made with the Pentax 50mm macro or Tamron 90mm >> macro >> on film and I could use lights instead of the flashes too if needed. I >> will >> not use the red tablet but maybe some stones or old wood branches >> instead >> and seek for any ideas as well. >> >> But first I need some help how to set up the crystal glass so that the >> engraved 1959 (not visible yet) on the front and the other decorations >> like >> the large eagle can be seen very well. >> Do I need some black paper on the opposite site of the flash to make the >> 1959 stand out? >> >> Thanks for any ideas regarding the glass or the overall setup in advance >> :-) >> >> www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/wine1959.jpg >> >> >> Markus >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life
Hi John I'm trying something as Gonz suggested. Darker, maybe softened and with some more accessoirs form the same year. I have an old Agfa Ambiflex, some illustrated magazines, a leather bag as background and more from that time to play with. It takes a lot of time to arrange those things but I will learn a lot about lightning. thanks Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Coyle Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:06 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life Markus maybe something like this? http://pug.komkon.org/02apr/fruit3jc.html That was lit with unassisted window light from the left. On my screen now it looks over-exposed. but I think that's just my monitor! The table is our dining-room table (c. 1900, complete with axe-mark!), covered with a dark green damask tablecloth, and the tipped-over wine glass at the top was added to complement the curves of the dish and to fill the void in the rectangular area of the frame.. HTH John Coyle Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com) Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: "Gonz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:41 AM Subject: Re: Looking for help for an old wine & glass still life > Markus, > > The bright colors dont seem to go with the old bottle, especially the > white high key background. I would prefer a rich bar-like atmosphere, > dark background and seductively lit. Try a warm spotlight on the > label and the glass. > > This is something like the kind of lighting I'm talking about: > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2960497 > > rg > > > On 2/16/07, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Pentaxians >> I know that some of you have very successfully photographed table tops of >> glass and other shiny reflecting materials so I'm looking for some advice >> here: >> >> I'm looking for a way to present two bottles of 1959 burgunder wine and a >> crystal glass from 1959 in a tasteful manner. >> I made a test shot with a Pentax Optio 330 and the integrated flash to >> trigger a slave flash from the top at 45 degrees and another slave flash >> for >> the background only >> and the bottle and glass are in a large white light tent. The visible >> part >> of the tent in the background was then removed in Photoshop. >> >> The final photo will be made with the Pentax 50mm macro or Tamron 90mm >> macro >> on film and I could use lights instead of the flashes too if needed. I >> will >> not use the red tablet but maybe some stones or old wood branches >> instead >> and seek for any ideas as well. >> >> But first I need some help how to set up the crystal glass so that the >> engraved 1959 (not visible yet) on the front and the other decorations >> like >> the large eagle can be seen very well. >> Do I need some black paper on the opposite site of the flash to make the >> 1959 stand out? >> >> Thanks for any ideas regarding the glass or the overall setup in advance >> :-) >> >> www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/wine1959.jpg >> >> >> Markus >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
