Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
So, anyone wanna drop by my place and show me what I'm missing? You will be missing the on-going service bills... I can't show you though. Everyone puts this body on a pedestal, and I'd like to see why. Not everyone, unless I were not a human being. regards, Alan Chan _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p (Pentax's fabuluous new camera)
The Pentax UK statement indicated that most of the cuts in the 35mm camera line were going to come in the compact camera area. This only makes sense as they have several different compact 35's that overlap each other. DG At 11:22 PM 10/31/02 +0100, you wrote: Henry wrote: I don't believe Pentax is going to completely re-new their SLR camera line-up in a sudden with three new camera. They haven't done anything dramatic in the past 10 years when the SLR market then was growing. There is no reason to expect they will do it now or in the future, especially they are saying that they think the market is shrinking. Doing so will be a commercial suicide. According to the original Japanese news report, Pentax was quoted as saying to cut their current line-up of 6 cameras down to 3 cameras. They have not said they are going to replace them with 3 new cameras. I'm not convinced. All MZ-series cameras are essentially the same camera with different labels. Pentax is just trying to milk the last drop off this chassis. In my opinion, the current MZ-series isn't really that competitive. What Pentax did say in they press message was that they intended to reduce the number in the line-up in order to increase the sales of each model. I can't see how this could happen with the MZ-6 and the MZ-60 as the volume models in the line-up. We have lots of conflicting messages. The fact is that Pentax near future line-up will consist of three film slr models (i have gooten this confirmed by safe sources). If the MZ-60 and the MZ-6 are two of those then the MZ-5n and MZ-3 must be discontinued without replacement or the MZ-S needs to be discontinued. However,Chris Brogden claim Pentax will replace the MZ-5n next year with a compeltely new and very different model. If this is true, either the MZ-S or the MZ-6 has to go if the MZ-60 stays. At the same time, Pentax UK claim all future Pentax slr's will be built on the same chassis: if this is to be believed there are three posibilities; 1) the MZ- chassis, 2) MZ-S chassis, 3) A cmpletely new chassis. Only the latter is likely (and what Pentax UK says) in my opinion as the MZ- chassis is not suited for anything higher end or digital. I don't agree that it is unlikely that Pentax will release a completely new series of cameras. Thats the way Pentax model policy has always worked. The Z-series was released 10 years ago; the MZ-series 7 years ago. It is time for a new generation of cameras. We know that Pentax is working on modification of the lens mount. We also know that all Pentax new lens mounts have been accompanied with new series of cameras. In all this, I put my faith in Pentax UK statements. Not because they have to be true but because it is the best we have at present. Pål
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
Actually, there are folks who really like the MZ-S design and ergonomics. Unlike the LX, however, the MZ-S will have to compete with digital, which will decrease the following to any film camera. The only one that might survive in this way might be the Lecia ragnefinders or some fo the MF cameras. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
Brad posted: I like what I have, it serves. I am interested in this LX love affair. I can see pictures on the web and such, but until I meet someone that has one that isn't beat to pieces, and can see a demonstration and maybe try it for myself, I will think MZ-S is just plain better. I would really like to meet the LX ;-) Maybe Cesar -- the Roving PDML Ambassador -- will show up in your neck of the woods one day! He owns the only LXen, besides mine, I've seen outside a camera shop. And I've only twice had the opportunity to examine one *in* a camera shop.
RE: MZ-S vs Z-1p
I don't know if it was true, but it was said that the Z-1 had a vertical grip originally, but scraped the last minute all because of one person. The picture with Last one was the sample. If you can read Simplified Chinese, it's here: http://www.xitek.com/papers/xitek/xitekoldpaper/B11.htm You might try to translate at: http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr regards, Alan Chan I wasn't commenting on the MZ-S battery consumption, as I don't own one. I was however, commenting on the rate at which the Z-1 chews up 2cr5 batteries. My old Z-1 would last for about 15 rolls of 36 before it was unusable with AF glass. All I ever wanted for it was a vertical grip that would take AA's. I tend to get off the beaten track a bit and have been caught without enough spare batteries a few times. Luckily though, I have been able to haul out the LX and just keep going. There's an engineering fellow in the USA who has been threatening to release vertical grips for the Z-1 for ages, but he doesn't seem to be getting any closer to a release date. They look good in prototype though. For now, I might sit things out and rely on my LX. When the dust settles a bit and we all know what Pentax are doing then I may decide to purchase a new camera. It will be either the z-1p or the new film flagship (I will be purchasing a DSLR regardless, unless it is really crappy). The only way I will purchase the film flagship over a z-1p is if it makes me feel comfortable enough to let go of my LX (relax only joking folks). _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
- Original Message - From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:54 PM Subject: RE: MZ-S vs Z-1p Hi Shaun: Would you believe I am still on my first set of batteries for the MZ-S, after nearly a year? I can't recall how many films I have put through, but it's a fair few. I have played extensively with the flash and tested the autofocus assist, and it gets to go out with me every day, when I have it switched on 'just in case'. Along with a couple of others who have complained that it chews batteries, maybe you should have it checked for battery drain when switched off, or even check that you are not accidentally leaving it on all the time? Same with me. I haven't had it that long, but it was a display-type item that had some cheap alks in it. It has been used quite a lot, and those same cheapo display batteries are still going strong. Of course I have a better set with me because I'm sure I'll run out of luck soon. Brad Dobo
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
For now, I might sit things out and rely on my LX. When the dust settles a bit and we all know what Pentax are doing then I may decide to purchase a new camera. It will be either the z-1p or the new film flagship (I will be purchasing a DSLR regardless, unless it is really crappy). The only way I will purchase the film flagship over a z-1p is if it makes me feel comfortable enough to let go of my LX (relax only joking folks). And I was just about to ask you for a price on the LX ;-) I think it is a smart choice to wait since you have what you need now. Will I get stoned to death if I say the MZ-S is better than the LX? I am wondering about this new film flagship. Doesn't quite fit. A nice non-MZ body? Perhaps. If, as everyone says, I'm completely wrong, the MZ-S is a hit as a flagship, so why develop one completely different when the world is going digital? I would hope they scrap the film and put more into the digital. Why? Well, they have a nice film camera already that has sent Pentax from rags to richs. They don't have a DSLR. GeezSigma has one. I looked at the newest Optio a few days ago, went through the menus, tried this and that. I wasn't impressed. Yes, it was better than mine, had more features, but it still seems just sorta...bad. I like my Optio 230, it's a cheap camera I take for things I wouldn't want to pay for development and won't care if I break it or whatever. If they are still using the same sort of technology, they may be in some trouble. Even the best Optio isn't *that* good. And if all ya say is true about Pentax not being a techno company, well, digital by nature is all techno,no?, yes?. I have a feeling that either you won't see one for a long time, or you will and will be disappointed. But, let's hope they do what I said aboveI would hope they scrap the film and put more into the digital. Why? Well, they have a nice film camera already that has sent Pentax from rags to richs. They don't have a DSLR. If they listen to me (and they should heh :)) you may get a really nice digital SLR. Time will tell at any rate Brad Dobo cheers Shaun Canning PhD Student Archaeology Department La Trobe University, Bundoora, Australia, 3086. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 0414-967 644 -Original Message- From: John Coyle [mailto:jcoyle;powerup.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 10:55 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: MZ-S vs Z-1p Hi Shaun: Would you believe I am still on my first set of batteries for the MZ-S, after nearly a year? I can't recall how many films I have put through, but it's a fair few. I have played extensively with the flash and tested the autofocus assist, and it gets to go out with me every day, when I have it switched on 'just in case'. Along with a couple of others who have complained that it chews batteries, maybe you should have it checked for battery drain when switched off, or even check that you are not accidentally leaving it on all the time? If the forecast DSLR is indeed built on the same basic chassis as the MZ-S, I would expect all the accessories to fit, as there would be little point in changing the mechanics of the fit: IMHO, the change between the original MZ-fit accessories and the MZ-S set was to accommodate additional control information, and that is now accomplished. If, on the other hand, you want to wait for the film flagship, all bets are off! Since Pentax are reported to have said it will be based on a completely new chassis, I don't think we have any way of knowing how it will be put together, and therefore whether anything (except hopefully, our glass) will fit it. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:22 AM, Shaun Canning [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Thanks for the first replies everyone. The catch-22 for me is if it is going to be worth changing over to an MZ-S now (and need a new cable release and flash etc to get it all to work properly) or wait until the fabled DSLR or new film flagship arrives? If I buy an MZ-S there is no guarantee that the extras will be universal (i.e. the cable release and flash). We still haven't really heard anything about the film flagship. Everyone seems hell bent on the DSLR. What's happening Pal? Have you heard anymore about the film flagship? Of course, it could be worse. At least I can get the parts I want for my camera's, hey Brad? I am 'stuck' with an LX only at the moment, which I must say is not really that much of a tragedy (I love my LX). However, I do have a genuine need for flash bracketing, flash exposure compensation and AF. The z-1p is a great camera, except for those stupid damned 2CR5 batteries that seem to evaporate when they are taken out of the packet. From what has been on the list lately though, it seems that the MZ-S chews up the batteries as well. Hmmm the dilemmas of being a Pentaxian
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
on 31.10.02 0:22, Shaun Canning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new film flagship arrives? If I buy an MZ-S there is no guarantee that the extras will be universal (i.e. the cable release and flash). We still I think new style cable releases are used for 645n II and will cointinue to be used on newer bodies. Flash (AF360FGZ) is compatible with all Pentax bodies (even older non-TTL). Its P-TTL mode will be for sure used in upcoming DSLR - digital cameras simply cannot meter flash off the CCD - preflash is required! -- Best Regards Sylwek
RE: MZ-S vs Z-1p (Pentax's fabuluous new camera)
-Original Message- From: Iren Henry Chu [mailto:irenhenry;hotmail.com] In fact, Pentax has just release a fabulous new film slr in Japanese market: It's a piece of junk with 2 segment metering(MZ-60). I don't believe Pentax is going to completely re-new their SLR camera line-up in a sudden with three new camera. They haven't done anything dramatic in the past 10 years when the SLR market then was growing. There is no reason to expect they will do it now or in the future, especially they are saying that they think the market is shrinking. Doing so will be a commercial suicide. According to the original Japanese news report, Pentax was quoted as saying to cut their current line-up of 6 cameras down to 3 cameras. They have not said they are going to replace them with 3 new cameras. Interesting that the MZ-60 has a new control interface with wheels etc rather than being based on the MZ-30/7/6/L body which was an evolution of the MZ-50. I wonder if all the effort that goes into designing a completely new layout was worthwhile because it will form the basis of a new lineup? In their press release for MZ-60, they said they are manufacturing 15,000 MZ-60 per month, 5,000 more than MZ-L! This is roughly equals to 10% of film SLRs manufactured in the world. So we are going to see this fabuluous camera continuously in the Pentax line-up for a while. This camera will do a lot to put people off Pentax when it comes to upgrade time...
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p (Pentax's fabuluous new camera)
The MZ60 replaces the MZ50 and targets those upgrading from a point and shoot to a SLR. In Australia, the MZ50 insured Pentax was the market leader with the number of SLRs sold. Unfortunately, they are sold with cheap Sigma zooms. In the releases, there is a 24-105 point and shoot. That too should be a winner in that market. Bob - Original Message - From: Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p (Pentax's fabuluous new camera) Dear all, Pål Jensen wrote: Also, large camera stores in japan has been told from Pentax reps that Pentax will release a fabulous film slr. In fact, Pentax has just release a fabulous new film slr in Japanese market: http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2002/200242.html it is a fabuluous PS film camera happens to have a SLR look. I don't believe Pentax is going to completely re-new their SLR camera line-up in a sudden with three new camera. They haven't done anything dramatic in the past 10 years when the SLR market then was growing. There is no reason to expect they will do it now or in the future, especially they are saying that they think the market is shrinking. Doing so will be a commercial suicide. According to the original Japanese news report, Pentax was quoted as saying to cut their current line-up of 6 cameras down to 3 cameras. They have not said they are going to replace them with 3 new cameras. In their press release for MZ-60, they said they are manufacturing 15,000 MZ-60 per month, 5,000 more than MZ-L! This is roughly equals to 10% of film SLRs manufactured in the world. So we are going to see this fabuluous camera continuously in the Pentax line-up for a while. Regards, Henry Chu 31/10/2002 _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p (Pentax's fabuluous new camera)
Henry wrote: I don't believe Pentax is going to completely re-new their SLR camera line-up in a sudden with three new camera. They haven't done anything dramatic in the past 10 years when the SLR market then was growing. There is no reason to expect they will do it now or in the future, especially they are saying that they think the market is shrinking. Doing so will be a commercial suicide. According to the original Japanese news report, Pentax was quoted as saying to cut their current line-up of 6 cameras down to 3 cameras. They have not said they are going to replace them with 3 new cameras. I'm not convinced. All MZ-series cameras are essentially the same camera with different labels. Pentax is just trying to milk the last drop off this chassis. In my opinion, the current MZ-series isn't really that competitive. What Pentax did say in they press message was that they intended to reduce the number in the line-up in order to increase the sales of each model. I can't see how this could happen with the MZ-6 and the MZ-60 as the volume models in the line-up. We have lots of conflicting messages. The fact is that Pentax near future line-up will consist of three film slr models (i have gooten this confirmed by safe sources). If the MZ-60 and the MZ-6 are two of those then the MZ-5n and MZ-3 must be discontinued without replacement or the MZ-S needs to be discontinued. However,Chris Brogden claim Pentax will replace the MZ-5n next year with a compeltely new and very different model. If this is true, either the MZ-S or the MZ-6 has to go if the MZ-60 stays. At the same time, Pentax UK claim all future Pentax slr's will be built on the same chassis: if this is to be believed there are three posibilities; 1) the MZ- chassis, 2) MZ-S chassis, 3) A cmpletely new chassis. Only the latter is likely (and what Pentax UK says) in my opinion as the MZ- chassis is not suited for anything higher end or digital. I don't agree that it is unlikely that Pentax will release a completely new series of cameras. Thats the way Pentax model policy has always worked. The Z-series was released 10 years ago; the MZ-series 7 years ago. It is time for a new generation of cameras. We know that Pentax is working on modification of the lens mount. We also know that all Pentax new lens mounts have been accompanied with new series of cameras. In all this, I put my faith in Pentax UK statements. Not because they have to be true but because it is the best we have at present. Pål
RE: MZ-S vs Z-1p (Pentax's fabuluous new camera)
What do you mean Pal? The earth isn't flat? A new Pentax model range? Wow? :):):):):) Shaun Canning PhD Student Archaeology Department La Trobe University, Bundoora, Australia, 3086. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 0414-967 644 -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:paaljensen;sensewave.com] Sent: Friday, 1 November 2002 09:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p (Pentax's fabuluous new camera) Henry wrote: I don't believe Pentax is going to completely re-new their SLR camera line-up in a sudden with three new camera. They haven't done anything dramatic in the past 10 years when the SLR market then was growing. There is no reason to expect they will do it now or in the future, especially they are saying that they think the market is shrinking. Doing so will be a commercial suicide. According to the original Japanese news report, Pentax was quoted as saying to cut their current line-up of 6 cameras down to 3 cameras. They have not said they are going to replace them with 3 new cameras. I'm not convinced. All MZ-series cameras are essentially the same camera with different labels. Pentax is just trying to milk the last drop off this chassis. In my opinion, the current MZ-series isn't really that competitive. What Pentax did say in they press message was that they intended to reduce the number in the line-up in order to increase the sales of each model. I can't see how this could happen with the MZ-6 and the MZ-60 as the volume models in the line-up. We have lots of conflicting messages. The fact is that Pentax near future line-up will consist of three film slr models (i have gooten this confirmed by safe sources). If the MZ-60 and the MZ-6 are two of those then the MZ-5n and MZ-3 must be discontinued without replacement or the MZ-S needs to be discontinued. However,Chris Brogden claim Pentax will replace the MZ-5n next year with a compeltely new and very different model. If this is true, either the MZ-S or the MZ-6 has to go if the MZ-60 stays. At the same time, Pentax UK claim all future Pentax slr's will be built on the same chassis: if this is to be believed there are three posibilities; 1) the MZ- chassis, 2) MZ-S chassis, 3) A cmpletely new chassis. Only the latter is likely (and what Pentax UK says) in my opinion as the MZ- chassis is not suited for anything higher end or digital. I don't agree that it is unlikely that Pentax will release a completely new series of cameras. Thats the way Pentax model policy has always worked. The Z-series was released 10 years ago; the MZ-series 7 years ago. It is time for a new generation of cameras. We know that Pentax is working on modification of the lens mount. We also know that all Pentax new lens mounts have been accompanied with new series of cameras. In all this, I put my faith in Pentax UK statements. Not because they have to be true but because it is the best we have at present. Pål
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
In a message dated 10/31/02 3:44:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will I get stoned to death if I say the MZ-S is better than the LX? No you won't get stoned, just proven wrong. They are completely different cameras, but I ask: Will the MZS have the cult following of the LX 20 years from now. I don't think so. It's a very nice camera, a good tool. But it's not one you'll fall in love with and want to keep forever. It's also not, what I would call a system camera like the LX was. Of course, the LX is not a camera for everyone either... Vic
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:11 AM Subject: Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p In a message dated 10/31/02 3:44:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will I get stoned to death if I say the MZ-S is better than the LX? No you won't get stoned, just proven wrong. They are completely different cameras, but I ask: Will the MZS have the cult following of the LX 20 years from now. I don't think so. It's a very nice camera, a good tool. But it's not one you'll fall in love with and want to keep forever. It's also not, what I would call a system camera like the LX was. Of course, the LX is not a camera for everyone either... Vic
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
Stupid OE. Hey Vic, Well, proven wrong is interesting. Whether I am or not doesn't bother me. I like what I have, it serves. I am interested in this LX love affair. I can see pictures on the web and such, but until I meet someone that has one that isn't beat to pieces, and can see a demonstration and maybe try it for myself, I will think MZ-S is just plain better. I would really like to meet the LX ;-) Will the MZ-S have such a following? You never know, but in 20 years will 35mm film still be available? If it's not, the MZ-S will never have a chance to prove its self like the LX (apparently) has. So, anyone wanna drop by my place and show me what I'm missing? Semi-serious here. Everyone puts this body on a pedestal, and I'd like to see why. Maybe in time I shall meet up with the TO PDMLers and one of them will have it. I like what I see in pictures, but as you all know, that really isn't enough. In the meantime I will keep my eye open on the used equipment in the city and, I think you'll all say doubtfully, find an LX and see what's what. Regards, Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:11 AM Subject: Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p In a message dated 10/31/02 3:44:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will I get stoned to death if I say the MZ-S is better than the LX? No you won't get stoned, just proven wrong. They are completely different cameras, but I ask: Will the MZS have the cult following of the LX 20 years from now. I don't think so. It's a very nice camera, a good tool. But it's not one you'll fall in love with and want to keep forever. It's also not, what I would call a system camera like the LX was. Of course, the LX is not a camera for everyone either... Vic
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone who has owned both these cameras tell me how much effective difference there is in the AF speed between the SAFOX II system of the z/pz-1p and the SFOX VII of the MZ-S? The z-1 I owned until recently was pretty good with all of my AF lenses, other than a Tokina 80-200 ATX-Pro, which was sometimes a bit slow. I am interested in upgrading my film SLR, and can't choose between the MZ-S or a second hand Z-1p. Then again, I may just wait for the DSLR if we ever get to see what the damn thing really looks like and goes like. I one both cameras now (one of each) and the autofocus of the MZ-S is noticably better than that of the PZ-1p in most respects. Speed may be slightly better, but low light sensitivity and tolerance of horizontal/vertical lines are much better. I don't often use the multimple focus point options but they're nice to have when you need them. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
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Well, I won't believe it until I can hold one. In my area that means it'll never come out ;) Jokingly, Brad Yes we have. Pentax UK say they will make three slr's and I happen to know in which segments they fit. One of them is high-end. I don't know how high-end. Also, large camera stores in japan has been told from Pentax reps that Pentax will release a fabulous film slr. Pål Pål
RE: MZ-S vs Z-1p
Hi John, I wasn't commenting on the MZ-S battery consumption, as I don't own one. I was however, commenting on the rate at which the Z-1 chews up 2cr5 batteries. My old Z-1 would last for about 15 rolls of 36 before it was unusable with AF glass. All I ever wanted for it was a vertical grip that would take AA's. I tend to get off the beaten track a bit and have been caught without enough spare batteries a few times. Luckily though, I have been able to haul out the LX and just keep going. There's an engineering fellow in the USA who has been threatening to release vertical grips for the Z-1 for ages, but he doesn't seem to be getting any closer to a release date. They look good in prototype though. For now, I might sit things out and rely on my LX. When the dust settles a bit and we all know what Pentax are doing then I may decide to purchase a new camera. It will be either the z-1p or the new film flagship (I will be purchasing a DSLR regardless, unless it is really crappy). The only way I will purchase the film flagship over a z-1p is if it makes me feel comfortable enough to let go of my LX (relax only joking folks). cheers Shaun Canning PhD Student Archaeology Department La Trobe University, Bundoora, Australia, 3086. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 0414-967 644 -Original Message- From: John Coyle [mailto:jcoyle;powerup.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 10:55 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: MZ-S vs Z-1p Hi Shaun: Would you believe I am still on my first set of batteries for the MZ-S, after nearly a year? I can't recall how many films I have put through, but it's a fair few. I have played extensively with the flash and tested the autofocus assist, and it gets to go out with me every day, when I have it switched on 'just in case'. Along with a couple of others who have complained that it chews batteries, maybe you should have it checked for battery drain when switched off, or even check that you are not accidentally leaving it on all the time? If the forecast DSLR is indeed built on the same basic chassis as the MZ-S, I would expect all the accessories to fit, as there would be little point in changing the mechanics of the fit: IMHO, the change between the original MZ-fit accessories and the MZ-S set was to accommodate additional control information, and that is now accomplished. If, on the other hand, you want to wait for the film flagship, all bets are off! Since Pentax are reported to have said it will be based on a completely new chassis, I don't think we have any way of knowing how it will be put together, and therefore whether anything (except hopefully, our glass) will fit it. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:22 AM, Shaun Canning [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Thanks for the first replies everyone. The catch-22 for me is if it is going to be worth changing over to an MZ-S now (and need a new cable release and flash etc to get it all to work properly) or wait until the fabled DSLR or new film flagship arrives? If I buy an MZ-S there is no guarantee that the extras will be universal (i.e. the cable release and flash). We still haven't really heard anything about the film flagship. Everyone seems hell bent on the DSLR. What's happening Pal? Have you heard anymore about the film flagship? Of course, it could be worse. At least I can get the parts I want for my camera's, hey Brad? I am 'stuck' with an LX only at the moment, which I must say is not really that much of a tragedy (I love my LX). However, I do have a genuine need for flash bracketing, flash exposure compensation and AF. The z-1p is a great camera, except for those stupid damned 2CR5 batteries that seem to evaporate when they are taken out of the packet. From what has been on the list lately though, it seems that the MZ-S chews up the batteries as well. Hmmm the dilemmas of being a Pentaxian. Will they...wont they...wish they did Shaun Canning PhD Student Archaeology Department La Trobe University, Bundoora, Australia, 3086. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 0414-967 644 -Original Message- From: Paul Jones [mailto:pdml;nrg666.com] Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 04:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p Hi, I've had both and the MZ-S hunts alot less, in both well lit and low light situations. I only ever used the central sensor on the MZ-S. Regards, Paul Jones - Original Message - From: Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: RE: MZ-S vs Z-1p Thanks Bruce Shaun Canning PhD Student Archaeology Department La Trobe University, Bundoora, Australia, 3086. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 0414-967 644 -Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:bkdayton;rcsis.com] Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 03:56 To: Shaun Canning Subject: Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p Shaun, I used to own 2 PZ
Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p
Shaun, I used to own 2 PZ-1p's and sold them for 2 MZ-S's. There are three aspects to the AF to consider: 1) AF Speed. Part of this is the power of the motor and part the algorithms used to achieve final focus. The MZ-S seems to me to achieve final focus slightly quicker and with less hunting that the PZ-1p - although the PZ-1p motor is quite powerful and is no slouch at all. 2) Low light sensitivity - Here I have found the MZ-S to be noticeably better than the PZ-1p. 3) Multiple sensors - Obviously, since the PZ-1p only has one central sensor, the MZ-S does a better job here. Remember that these are quite different cameras in handling and interface. If you really liked the interface of the PZ-1 you might prefer a PZ-1p. The MZ-S is a bit more traditional in interface. Given the opportunity to choose between the two again, I would choose the MZ-S again. The P-TTL, high speed and wireless flash system is clearly superior to the PZ-1p and I find that feature more important than AF. I shot a wedding over the weekend. Along with heavy use of the P67II, I used the wireless flash capability of the MZ-S for quite a few shots - all manual focus with the FA*85/1.4 and FA 35/2. In defense of the PZ-1p, it has faster FPS, and one handed operation with the spin dials. Truly a great robocamera design. If I can be of any other help, please don't hesitate to ask. Bruce Tuesday, October 29, 2002, 8:31:39 PM, you wrote: SC Can anyone who has owned both these cameras tell me how much effective SC difference there is in the AF speed between the SAFOX II system of the SC z/pz-1p and the SFOX VII of the MZ-S? The z-1 I owned until recently was SC pretty good with all of my AF lenses, other than a Tokina 80-200 ATX-Pro, SC which was sometimes a bit slow. I am interested in upgrading my film SLR, SC and can't choose between the MZ-S or a second hand Z-1p. Then again, I may SC just wait for the DSLR if we ever get to see what the damn thing really SC looks like and goes like. SC Shaun Canning SC PhD Student SC Archaeology Department SC La Trobe University, Bundoora, SC Australia, 3086. SC e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SC Phone: 0414-967 644
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Aw Alan, just a little pride is all ;-) Brad - Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:47 AM Subject: Re: MZ-S vs Z-1p Woohoo! Let's hear it for Pentax!!! We beat Minolta, we beat Canon, repeat, repeat :) Boy, and I thought we Pentaxans r different from die hard Nikon fans. :( regards, Alan Chan _ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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Don't worry, I was just kidding. :) regards, Alan Chan Aw Alan, just a little pride is all ;-) _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
