Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist

Please, no politics here. There are numerous websites where this is welcome.
Paul

"Peifer, William [OCDUS]" wrote:
> 
> A lot of political nonsense.,




RE: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-27 Thread Peifer, William [OCDUS]

William Robb described the erosion of civil rights since 11 September:
> I am thinking more like the loss of civil rights in Germany, circa mid to
> late 1930's

Seems quite a few folks, both in the US and abroad, have noticed that
similarity.  Damned frightening, indeed.  Personally, I'm glad to see that
the current administration in Germany has the backbone to call Bush for what
he is.  Given that the US was built by the collective toil of immigrants,
it's scary how quickly the American public can be whipped into a frenzy of
contempt, suspicion, and paranoia regarding recent immigrants, foreign
visitors -- even fellow American citizens of foreign descent.

> You need more than a regime change, more like a paradigm shift.
> Look at how successful the "war on drugs" has been, and then
> think about how successful the "war on terrorism" will be.

Indeed!  Couldn't have put it better myself, Bill.  Either way, an informed
and thinking electorate is really a prerequisite.  Therein lies the rub.
Call me a cynic, I guess.  There's often a fine line between democracy and
mob tyranny.

Bill Peifer
Rochester, NY




Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-26 Thread gfen

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, William Robb wrote:
> No, we are selling it to the Norwegians, who then are passing it
> on to the highest bidder.

Fjord truck bombs? :)


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Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-26 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: gfen
Subject: Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on
photogs..


> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, William Robb wrote:
> > It worries us too.
>
> Just you wait until the Hockey Stick Lobby tells our president
we need to
> enforce a terror polcy against Canada. We know you're stock
piling our
> pollution to use as chemical weapons back against us!

No, we are selling it to the Norwegians, who then are passing it
on to the highest bidder.
WW




Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-26 Thread gfen

On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, William Robb wrote:
> It worries us too.

Just you wait until the Hockey Stick Lobby tells our president we need to
enforce a terror polcy against Canada. We know you're stock piling our
pollution to use as chemical weapons back against us!

-g.

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http://www.infotainment.org
 "The destructive character is cheerful."  - Walter Benjamin




Subject: RE: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-26 Thread William Robb

From: Bill Peifer
>
> Ditto -- worries me too.  I can't help but see the parallels
between the
> current war on our collective civil rights here in the US, and
the assault
> on the rights of American citizens of Japanese descent back in
the early
> 40's.  It's a damn shame, and I've had more than my fill, for
sure.  I
> think
> it's time for a regime change, all right -- in Washington.  I
just hope
> the
> majority of my fellow US citizens have enough sense to vote
the Corporate
> Malfeasant in Chief, ~and~ his band of merry men, out of
office in 2004.

I am thinking more like the loss of civil rights in Germany,
circa mid to late 1930's.
You need more than a regime change, more like a paradigm shift.
Look at how successful the "war on drugs" has been, and then
think about how successful the "war on terrorism" will be.

William Robb






Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-25 Thread William Robb


- Original Message -
From: Gannet
Subject: Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on
photogs..


> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:00:44 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
>
> >
> >http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2002/september/rwt_art.htm
> >
>
> And to think this used to be America.

It worries us too.

William Robb
Regina, Canada.





Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts

Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Damn, I hadn't heard about the green monsters.  When'd that happen?

They're not really green, it's the fluorescent lighting that makes them look
that way.

>At 08:06 PM 9/25/2002 +0400, you wrote:
>>I've been in a similar situation a few months ago -- trying to take a pic 
>>of a new bridge. I have a very strong opinion on current "security 
>>measures" as well as people feeding public histeria (Russians/Arab 
>>Terrorists/Green Monsters Are Coming!).

-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
Photography and writing




Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-25 Thread Peter Alling

Damn, I hadn't heard about the green monsters.  When'd that happen?

At 08:06 PM 9/25/2002 +0400, you wrote:
>I've been in a similar situation a few months ago -- trying to take a pic 
>of a new bridge. I have a very strong opinion on current "security 
>measures" as well as people feeding public histeria (Russians/Arab 
>Terrorists/Green Monsters Are Coming!).
>
>Mishka
>
>-Original Message-
>From: gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:00:44 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..
>
> >
> >
> > http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2002/september/rwt_art.htm
> >
> > Its not Pentax related, but its interesting to read none the less (and
> > contains no offcolour jokes about the Pope or pictures of Prince Harry's
> > funny haircut).
> >
> > -g.
> > (ps: feel free to flame me off-list for this if you disagree with my
> > posting it, I think we've got enough arguments running regarding DSLRs
> > this week...)
> >
> > --
> > http://www.infotainment.org
> >  "The destructive character is cheerful."  - Walter Benjamin
> >
> >
> >




Re: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

2002-09-25 Thread Mike Ignatiev

I've been in a similar situation a few months ago -- trying to take a pic of a new 
bridge. I have a very strong opinion on current "security measures" as well as people 
feeding public histeria (Russians/Arab Terrorists/Green Monsters Are Coming!). 

Mishka

-Original Message-
From: gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:00:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: OT: Another story about The Man (tm) coming down on photogs..

> 
> 
> http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2002/september/rwt_art.htm
> 
> Its not Pentax related, but its interesting to read none the less (and
> contains no offcolour jokes about the Pope or pictures of Prince Harry's
> funny haircut).
> 
> -g.
> (ps: feel free to flame me off-list for this if you disagree with my
> posting it, I think we've got enough arguments running regarding DSLRs
> this week...)
> 
> -- 
> http://www.infotainment.org
>  "The destructive character is cheerful."  - Walter Benjamin
> 
> 
>