RE: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
Funny movei. It zooms in further every time. After placing it 10 times I don't get to see the guys face anmore! Regards jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Godfrey DiGiorgi Sendt: 10. marts 2007 21:57 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:07 AM, David Savage wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8h2AMllP0Y It's almost a video camera!! Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use it other than to make motion pictures... G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 03/09/2007 18:53 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 03/09/2007 18:53 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
On 11/3/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right? Er, yes. And? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
This is more interesting, especially the second half... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZzmfjygwQNR Jens Bladt wrote: Funny movei. It zooms in further every time. After placing it 10 times I don't get to see the guys face anmore! Regards jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Godfrey DiGiorgi Sendt: 10. marts 2007 21:57 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:07 AM, David Savage wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8h2AMllP0Y It's almost a video camera!! Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use it other than to make motion pictures... G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 03/09/2007 18:53 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 03/09/2007 18:53 -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:07 AM, David Savage wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8h2AMllP0Y It's almost a video camera!! Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use it other than to make motion pictures... G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote: Good point. ... I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old, as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly focus confirmation beeps etc. Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures, unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am. The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it depends on the situation, surely. ... Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
On 10/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use it other than to make motion pictures... Good point. My 1DmII will do (allegedly) 8.5 fps but I hardly ever use that. In continuous mode there are two speed settings on the quick top- panel switches - high and low and the user can set the frame rates for both. I have high set at max and low set at 4 fps which is usually plenty. I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old, as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly focus confirmation beeps etc. The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it depends on the situation, surely. I have photographed football (soccer) and with some scenarios it is better to use the machine gun due to the frequent unpredictable nature of the game. Sure, lots of it is quite predictable, like a corner kick, but the scramble in the goal mouth can be totally whacky and half the time the decisive moment turns out to be not when and where one expects. Machine guns at 8 or 10 fps will get the result most of the time. if you're making money selling pictures like this, it's a no-brainer IMO. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote: Good point. ... I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old, as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly focus confirmation beeps etc. Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures, unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am. Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a 2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for continuous to be left on. The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it depends on the situation, surely. ... Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos. Godfrey Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what Cotty's shooting. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
I used to leave my EOS1D in continuous mode, which is rated for 8 frames per second. And I got sick and tired of shooting that way. So I set it to single frame as something of an experiment. And I believe that my photography is improving because of it. Take the following example: In motor-drive mode I'd shoot 600+ images at a high school basketball game. Out of those 600 frames I'd get 10-20 keepers. Now in single frame mode, I shoot 60 images at a game and I still get 10 to 20 keepers. The only differences are that now each photo is a conscious act of creation (instead of spraying and praying), and I don't have to wade through 580 crap shots to find the good ones. Also, in my experience with motor drive, if I missed the best action with the first shutter press, then all the subsequent frames missed it too. I can't think of a single time where I got a good action shot out of a motor sequence. The frames were always one bit too soon or one bit too late. The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner. On 3/10/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote: Good point. ... I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old, as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly focus confirmation beeps etc. Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures, unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am. Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a 2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for continuous to be left on. The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it depends on the situation, surely. ... Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos. Godfrey Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what Cotty's shooting. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- ~Nick Wright http://blog.phojonick.com/ http://www.phojonick.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
I tend to shoot single frames. Continuous mode doesn't require spray-and-pray shooting, although it's difficult no to if the camera is setup for 8fps (That's actually one reason I don't want a high fps camera, the other being the inherent audible noise, my 10D is rather quiet compared to a 20D, let alone a 1D). -Adam Nick Wright wrote: I used to leave my EOS1D in continuous mode, which is rated for 8 frames per second. And I got sick and tired of shooting that way. So I set it to single frame as something of an experiment. And I believe that my photography is improving because of it. Take the following example: In motor-drive mode I'd shoot 600+ images at a high school basketball game. Out of those 600 frames I'd get 10-20 keepers. Now in single frame mode, I shoot 60 images at a game and I still get 10 to 20 keepers. The only differences are that now each photo is a conscious act of creation (instead of spraying and praying), and I don't have to wade through 580 crap shots to find the good ones. Also, in my experience with motor drive, if I missed the best action with the first shutter press, then all the subsequent frames missed it too. I can't think of a single time where I got a good action shot out of a motor sequence. The frames were always one bit too soon or one bit too late. The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner. On 3/10/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote: Good point. ... I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old, as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly focus confirmation beeps etc. Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures, unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am. Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a 2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for continuous to be left on. The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it depends on the situation, surely. ... Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos. Godfrey Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what Cotty's shooting. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
Guess I should chime in a bit here. I just got back from shooting little league baseball. I do set the K10D to continuous but rarely machine gun. Pretty much I do that when I want an actual sequence of shots rather than just trying to get the 'moment' - like a slide into 2nd or 3rd or a pitcher in windup and throwing. The concept there is that most of the frames are good rather than boring or throwaway. However, I will say that there have been many times especially shooting something less predictable like soccer where I have missed the moment partly because I never really saw the moment. I could see sometimes getting an interesting shot in the bunch by machine gunning in the thick of the action. I don't shoot that way, but can see some logic in it. -- Bruce Saturday, March 10, 2007, 2:37:25 PM, you wrote: GD On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote: Good point. ... I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old, as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly focus confirmation beeps etc. GD Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the GD K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures, GD unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ GD responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera GD always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am. The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it depends on the situation, surely. ... GD Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to GD work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally GD makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos. GD Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right? ;-) Boris Cotty wrote: On 10/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use it other than to make motion pictures... Good point. My 1DmII will do (allegedly) 8.5 fps but I hardly ever use that. In continuous mode there are two speed settings on the quick top- panel switches - high and low and the user can set the frame rates for both. I have high set at max and low set at 4 fps which is usually plenty. I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old, as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly focus confirmation beeps etc. The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it depends on the situation, surely. I have photographed football (soccer) and with some scenarios it is better to use the machine gun due to the frequent unpredictable nature of the game. Sure, lots of it is quite predictable, like a corner kick, but the scramble in the goal mouth can be totally whacky and half the time the decisive moment turns out to be not when and where one expects. Machine guns at 8 or 10 fps will get the result most of the time. if you're making money selling pictures like this, it's a no-brainer IMO. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
With the wireless transmitter it's conceivable that the memory card would never get full. Cheers, Dave On 3/11/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right? ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 08:37:58PM -0600, Nick Wright wrote: The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner. I quite agree. That's why I want a 5fps or better body. The PZ-1p (4+ fps) was pretty good, but still not as good as the MX+motor drive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
