Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/12 Wed PM 03:14:19 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style mike wilson wrote: From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/12 Wed AM 02:28:23 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. Maybe he just came across one. That's giving him the benefit of doubt, what's the fun in that? The fun would be in coming across one. On Dec 11, 2007 6:09 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:10 AM 12/12/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: The fact that Bob knows this raises a few even more disturbing questions: 1. Why does he know that? 2. What size is he? shudder Cheers, Dave You're an evil man, now I need a quart of scotch... Bob Blakely wrote: You thought that disturbing? Thongs, the kind that don't cover your butt, come in sizes up to ... 22! From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/12 Wed PM 08:32:58 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. Maybe he just came across one. oh, please, Mike - enough is enough. Bob Sorry. I'll try to be good. (No warranty expressed or implied) - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/12 Wed AM 02:28:23 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. Maybe he just came across one. On Dec 11, 2007 6:09 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:10 AM 12/12/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: The fact that Bob knows this raises a few even more disturbing questions: 1. Why does he know that? 2. What size is he? shudder Cheers, Dave You're an evil man, now I need a quart of scotch... Bob Blakely wrote: You thought that disturbing? Thongs, the kind that don't cover your butt, come in sizes up to ... 22! From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
John, You look mighty close. Was she in earshot of hearing the shutter snap there? That could be risky. Regards, Bob S. On Dec 11, 2007 9:06 PM, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:28:23PM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. May I remind people of this image I shared with you a while back? http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/scary.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
mike wilson wrote: From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/12 Wed AM 02:28:23 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. Maybe he just came across one. That's giving him the benefit of doubt, what's the fun in that? On Dec 11, 2007 6:09 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:10 AM 12/12/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: The fact that Bob knows this raises a few even more disturbing questions: 1. Why does he know that? 2. What size is he? shudder Cheers, Dave You're an evil man, now I need a quart of scotch... Bob Blakely wrote: You thought that disturbing? Thongs, the kind that don't cover your butt, come in sizes up to ... 22! From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
Riskier is hearing the thong snap! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, You look mighty close. Was she in earshot of hearing the shutter snap there? That could be risky. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:28:23PM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. May I remind people of this image I shared with you a while back? http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/scary.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
As usual on the internet, someone chopped off a part of his sentence and used it as a quote. There ought to be a law against quoting only a fragment of a sentences. OTOH, there are to many laws already. Maybe dueling is the answer. I mean if you are likely to get shot for it, you may think twice before doing it. Nah! No one thinks twice... Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2007 2:57:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgetaboutit, no one will believe he said it. Paul Crovella wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: You guys are pretty Mark! === I see it quoted, and I still don't. Marnie ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. Maybe he just came across one. oh, please, Mike - enough is enough. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
Maybe dueling is the answer. I'd go along with that. The world was a better place when there was duelling and chaps dressed like Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel. Perhaps I should move to Scotlandshire: http://www.dawnduellists.co.uk/ -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 12 December 2007 18:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style As usual on the internet, someone chopped off a part of his sentence and used it as a quote. There ought to be a law against quoting only a fragment of a sentences. OTOH, there are to many laws already. Maybe dueling is the answer. I mean if you are likely to get shot for it, you may think twice before doing it. Nah! No one thinks twice... Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
On 12/12/07, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: There ought to be a law against quoting only a fragment of a Mark!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/10 Mon PM 10:29:39 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style On 11/12/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Here's the 2006 list: Part 1: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369128.html Part 2: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369129.html Dave mate, you have got to get out more. Really. Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing. Did he end up in clink? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
On Dec 11, 2007 6:59 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing. Did he end up in clink? ROTFLMAO Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
On 11/12/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing. Did he end up in clink? As far as I am aware, Bob's address is: Robert Shell 03-15122 E108/A57 c/o New River Vally Regional Jail PO Box 1067 Dublin VA 24084 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/11 Tue AM 11:23:40 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style On 11/12/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing. Did he end up in clink? As far as I am aware, Bob's address is: Robert Shell 03-15122 E108/A57 c/o New River Vally Regional Jail PO Box 1067 Dublin VA 24084 Bummer. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
On Dec 10, 2007 10:12 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: What? Brooksie wears a slip? Over his moose-hide thong. Its winter here. I have had to break out the long thongs. They keep your feet warm to.:-) Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
On Dec 10, 2007 8:35 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections Boy, don't you love Freudian slips No, no. Freudian slips are verbal. When it's a typographical error like that, you call it a Brooksian slip. Error.?? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
Thongs around here are underwear made from small patches of cloth with straps made of dental floss designed to bare the butt cheeks... Brian Walters wrote: In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. Moose hide. Feet. I don't see anything in that image to disturb my sleep Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now that's a disturbing image I didn't need just before bed... Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: What? Brooksie wears a slip? Over his moose-hide thong. -- Get a free email address with REAL anti-spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/1 -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections Boy, don't you love Freudian slips No, no. Freudian slips are verbal. When it's a typographical error like that, you call it a Brooksian slip. What? Brooksie wears a slip? Well you know it's part of that whole Canadian lumberjack thing... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
I don't think they let him out pending appeal. mike wilson wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/10 Mon PM 10:29:39 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style On 11/12/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Here's the 2006 list: Part 1: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369128.html Part 2: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369129.html Dave mate, you have got to get out more. Really. Talking about getting out, I wonder how Bob Shell is managing. Did he end up in clink? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
You thought that disturbing? Thongs, the kind that don't cover your butt, come in sizes up to ... 22! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. Moose hide. Feet. I don't see anything in that image to disturb my sleep Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now that's a disturbing image I didn't need just before bed... Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: What? Brooksie wears a slip? Over his moose-hide thong. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
You're an evil man, now I need a quart of scotch... Bob Blakely wrote: You thought that disturbing? Thongs, the kind that don't cover your butt, come in sizes up to ... 22! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. Moose hide. Feet. I don't see anything in that image to disturb my sleep Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now that's a disturbing image I didn't need just before bed... Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: What? Brooksie wears a slip? Over his moose-hide thong. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
At 08:10 AM 12/12/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: The fact that Bob knows this raises a few even more disturbing questions: 1. Why does he know that? 2. What size is he? shudder Cheers, Dave You're an evil man, now I need a quart of scotch... Bob Blakely wrote: You thought that disturbing? Thongs, the kind that don't cover your butt, come in sizes up to ... 22! From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. On Dec 11, 2007 6:09 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:10 AM 12/12/2007, P. J. Alling wrote: The fact that Bob knows this raises a few even more disturbing questions: 1. Why does he know that? 2. What size is he? shudder Cheers, Dave You're an evil man, now I need a quart of scotch... Bob Blakely wrote: You thought that disturbing? Thongs, the kind that don't cover your butt, come in sizes up to ... 22! From: Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:28:23PM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. May I remind people of this image I shared with you a while back? http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/scary.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
I either missed that or forgot about it. Excuse me, I have to go gouge my eyes out... John Francis wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:28:23PM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. May I remind people of this image I shared with you a while back? http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/scary.jpg -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, you may . but I wish you hadn't. :-) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ Quoting John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: May I remind people of this image I shared with you a while back? http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/scary.jpg -- -- Get a free email address with REAL anti-spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/1 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
I think this is one that we have been trying to forget - it pretty much is burned into the retinas - now doubly so - maybe that makes it a 44? -- Bruce Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 7:06:21 PM, you wrote: JF On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 08:28:23PM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: My thoughts exactly Dave! Why would he be looking for size 22 thongs? Regards, Bob S. JF May I remind people of this image I shared with you a while back? JF http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/scary.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
- Original Message - From: ann sanfedele Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style William Robb wrote: And Ann, I did not, nor will I, apologize to her. I refuse to admit I did anything wrong here, and am still reserving the right to repost the images if my lawyer thinks I am safe to do so. I really do believe that if people don't take a stand against this miasma of horseshit that is creeping across the land, then we will have no rights to do anything in a very few years. be well William Robb Bill , how long ago did you take these photos? I've missed some of the debate about this. But there is a difference between parading around in front of a group of men nude and seeing photos of yourself in cyberspace. Posing for a camera club is like posing for a class of art students. you are photoing to hone your skills. I do think you should have asked her permission if that were possible before putting on the web. She might have loved it and been flattered... otoh, maybe she was really hurtinn fort cash and just did it to help pay the rent. I'm not a prude, I don't think, but I do think anyone who paints or photographs someone in the buff should not show them ANYWHERE without the express permission of the model. OTOH, if she is the one - herself - that started the legal stuff rolling I would say that was pretty nasty -- she could have simply called you and said please take those photos of me down. Over litigating is not something I approve of, but if you really are causing this girl pain by having it on the web, why not be big about it and take down the shot? Hi Ann, I think it was 2 1/2-3 years ago that I shot those. It was not a camera club workshop, it was a juried contest that I had to pay to enter, one which I happened to place both first and second myself with the two shots I entered, and a picture I printed for another fellow was third. You know me personally, when I'm not writing emails, I'm a pretty reasonable person. Whats got my shorts on tight is the immediate threat of siccing the lawyers on me. Had the demand been made as a request, there would have been no issue, the pictures would have come down, and probably I would have apologized for the misunderstanding. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
On Dec 10, 2007 10:46 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when I'm not writing emails, I'm a pretty reasonable Mrk! Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: ann sanfedele Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style William Robb wrote: And Ann, I did not, nor will I, apologize to her. I refuse to admit I did anything wrong here, and am still reserving the right to repost the images if my lawyer thinks I am safe to do so. I really do believe that if people don't take a stand against this miasma of horseshit that is creeping across the land, then we will have no rights to do anything in a very few years. be well William Robb Bill , how long ago did you take these photos? I've missed some of the debate about this. But there is a difference between parading around in front of a group of men nude and seeing photos of yourself in cyberspace. Posing for a camera club is like posing for a class of art students. you are photoing to hone your skills. I do think you should have asked her permission if that were possible before putting on the web. She might have loved it and been flattered... otoh, maybe she was really hurtinn fort cash and just did it to help pay the rent. I'm not a prude, I don't think, but I do think anyone who paints or photographs someone in the buff should not show them ANYWHERE without the express permission of the model. OTOH, if she is the one - herself - that started the legal stuff rolling I would say that was pretty nasty -- she could have simply called you and said please take those photos of me down. Over litigating is not something I approve of, but if you really are causing this girl pain by having it on the web, why not be big about it and take down the shot? Hi Ann, I think it was 2 1/2-3 years ago that I shot those. It was not a camera club workshop, it was a juried contest that I had to pay to enter, one which I happened to place both first and second myself with the two shots I entered, and a picture I printed for another fellow was third. You know me personally, when I'm not writing emails, I'm a pretty reasonable person. Whats got my shorts on tight is the immediate threat of siccing the lawyers on me. Had the demand been made as a request, there would have been no issue, the pictures would have come down, and probably I would have apologized for the misunderstanding. William Robb That's all I wanted to hear, dear :) Of course, it a base canard that you are reasonable off list, but w'ell let that go HAR! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This is not about being a prude or any such similar thing. This person, gender aside, accepted MONEY to pose nude for a gaggle of photographers. She sould know that: (1.) Film was being exposed! (2.) Prints were to be made! (3.) The photographers OWN the copyrights to their OWN photos. (4.) ANY expectation of privacy of ANY form went out the window when the model took MONEY and got nude in front of the cameras. (5.) The photographers, regardless of level of proficiency or of commercial status have a right to be proud of their work and to display it for others to see, to share in their pride in their work. (6.) The only rights the model might retain are commercial. Any expectation as to retaining any modecum of modesty regarding this is UNREALISTIC, regardless of whatever she may have thought at the time and regardless of how she feels now! Now, as to her desires not to have the photographers display THEIR work and share their pride in the development of THEIR art, she can ask all she wants, even make demands. Nevertheles, legal ears should be deaf to such demands. William Robb is entirely within his rights and has done NOTHING wrong. As I said before, it's time for folks to accept the natural consequencies of their choices and stop whining. You may say, Bob, you're an insensitive SOB! I would reply, Damned right! ...except I assure you there is legal proof that my mother is human! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] William Robb wrote: And Ann, I did not, nor will I, apologize to her. I refuse to admit I did anything wrong here, and am still reserving the right to repost the images if my lawyer thinks I am safe to do so. I really do believe that if people don't take a stand against this miasma of horseshit that is creeping across the land, then we will have no rights to do anything in a very few years. Bill , how long ago did you take these photos? I've missed some of the debate about this. But there is a difference between parading around in front of a group of men nude and seeing photos of yourself in cyberspace. Posing for a camera club is like posing for a class of art students. you are photoing to hone your skills. I do think you should have asked her permission if that were possible before putting on the web. She might have loved it and been flattered... otoh, maybe she was really hurtinn fort cash and just did it to help pay the rent. I'm not a prude, I don't think, but I do think anyone who paints or photographs someone in the buff should not show them ANYWHERE without the express permission of the model. OTOH, if she is the one - herself - that started the legal stuff rolling I would say that was pretty nasty -- she could have simply called you and said please take those photos of me down. Over litigating is not something I approve of, but if you really are causing this girl pain by having it on the web, why not be big about it and take down the shot? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What is this Mark! thing??? Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007 10:46 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when I'm not writing emails, I'm a pretty reasonable Mrk! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Its to draw attention to the keeper of the Quotable Quotes list for the pdml. that maybe something should be added. Dave On Dec 10, 2007 2:09 PM, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is this Mark! thing??? Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007 10:46 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when I'm not writing emails, I'm a pretty reasonable Mrk! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 10, 2007 2:09 PM, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is this Mark! thing??? Mark. Dave Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007 10:46 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when I'm not writing emails, I'm a pretty reasonable Mrk! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Blakely wrote: What is this Mark! thing??? You'll find out in 20 days! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/12/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: What is this Mark! thing??? Oh jees now we're in trouble. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Blakely wrote: Now, as to her desires not to have the photographers display THEIR work and share their pride in the development of THEIR art, she can ask all she wants, even make demands. Nevertheles, legal ears should be deaf to such demands. William Robb is entirely within his rights and has done NOTHING wrong. All true, but this is really a tempest in a teapot. She would be very unlikely to take this to court because any competent lawyer will tell her: 1 - She doesn't have a leg to stand on legally (though a lawyer will just say she doesn't have a strong case) 2 - She would *not* enjoy the cross-examination nor the way she would be portrayed in court by the defendant's attorney (yes, it's ugly, but when you take the low road you should be prepared to have the other party follow suit) 3 - Regardless of how the case works out, suing clients is a pretty good way to not have clients any more I think it's very nice of Bill to voluntarily remove the photos from his site -- there's enough confrontation in this world. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Where can I read some of these Quotable Quotes? You guys are pretty witty. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its to draw attention to the keeper of the Quotable Quotes list for the pdml. that maybe something should be added. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Blakely wrote: Where can I read some of these Quotable Quotes? You guys are pretty witty. Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections on my web site. Won't happen until later this week as I'm grading exams at the moment. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You must have missed it. Mark Roberts keeps a list of memorable, amusing, stupid, etc., things said on the PDML and publishes the list yearly. It's heavy on the irony. I think this statement by Mr. Robb more than qualifies, as apparently does Mr. Savage. On the other hand I have to agree with most everything else the William has said on the matter so far. Bob Blakely wrote: What is this Mark! thing??? Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2007 10:46 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when I'm not writing emails, I'm a pretty reasonable Mrk! -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: Where can I read some of these Quotable Quotes? You guys are pretty witty. Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections on my web site. That was supposed to be previous years... But now that I come to think about it, maybe they *are* precious ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Blakely wrote: Where can I read some of these Quotable Quotes? You guys are pretty witty. Regards, Bob... Here, after he makes the list 9and checks it twice) ann - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its to draw attention to the keeper of the Quotable Quotes list for the pdml. that maybe something should be added. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here's the 2006 list: Part 1: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369128.html Part 2: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369129.html Cheers, Dave On Dec 11, 2007 5:37 AM, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where can I read some of these Quotable Quotes? You guys are pretty witty. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its to draw attention to the keeper of the Quotable Quotes list for the pdml. that maybe something should be added. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/12/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections Boy, don't you love Freudian slips -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've always enjoyed Mike Wilson's It has the flare resistance of a 1970's Led Zeppelin groupie. And seeing it again today gives me the opportunity to tell people about a story in one of today's papers about the Led Zeppelin reunion. The headline was Stairlift To Heaven. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: 10 December 2007 22:07 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Legalese, Canadian Style Here's the 2006 list: Part 1: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369128.html Part 2: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369129.html Cheers, Dave On Dec 11, 2007 5:37 AM, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where can I read some of these Quotable Quotes? You guys are pretty witty. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its to draw attention to the keeper of the Quotable Quotes list for the pdml. that maybe something should be added. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Blakely wrote: You guys are pretty Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/12/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: Here's the 2006 list: Part 1: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369128.html Part 2: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369129.html Dave mate, you have got to get out more. Really. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cool! Thanks! Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's the 2006 list: Part 1: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369128.html Part 2: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg369129.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Forgetaboutit, no one will believe he said it. Paul Crovella wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: You guys are pretty Mark! -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/10/2007 2:57:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgetaboutit, no one will believe he said it. Paul Crovella wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: You guys are pretty Mark! === I see it quoted, and I still don't. Marnie ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 07:29 AM 11/12/2007, Cotty wrote: Dave mate, you have got to get out more. Really. You have no idea. :-P Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've been reading the epistles of these delinquent denizens o' the dark for near 10 years now. Every now and then one of them quips out a doozie. Wheatfield Willie spewss excellent barbs when he feels the need to blow them someone's way. Others are just as good with the wry stuff - when irked. Sometimes I miss Mafud. He provoked some amazingly witty retorts when he was spewing his nonsense. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Forgetaboutit, no one will believe he said it. Paul Crovella wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: You guys are pretty I see it quoted, and I still don't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections Boy, don't you love Freudian slips No, no. Freudian slips are verbal. When it's a typographical error like that, you call it a Brooksian slip. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections Boy, don't you love Freudian slips No, no. Freudian slips are verbal. When it's a typographical error like that, you call it a Brooksian slip. We will soon need a glossary for newbies to to the list... defining Brooksian, Theriaultian, etc... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Perhaps I'll put precious years' collections Boy, don't you love Freudian slips No, no. Freudian slips are verbal. When it's a typographical error like that, you call it a Brooksian slip. What? Brooksie wears a slip? Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: What? Brooksie wears a slip? Over his moose-hide thong. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now that's a disturbing image I didn't need just before bed... Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: What? Brooksie wears a slip? Over his moose-hide thong. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In this part of the world thongs are things you wear on your feet. Moose hide. Feet. I don't see anything in that image to disturb my sleep Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now that's a disturbing image I didn't need just before bed... Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: What? Brooksie wears a slip? Over his moose-hide thong. -- Get a free email address with REAL anti-spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/1 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So, the upshot of this little tempest in a pisspot seems to be that once again, a photographer has caved in to the threat of legal action, even knowing that he has done nothing wrong. So far, I have not been able to find any citations, in either Canadian criminal or civil law that seems to put me on the wrong side of the legal fence. My understanding is that I would require a release if the images were being used commercially, and that I would be on the wrong side of things had I been told up front (even verbally) that the pictures were not to be used in the manner I chose. Since I am not running a commercial website, was given no usage limitation provisions at the time, nor signed any legalese by the Regina Shutterbugs (including a membership form) which would bind me to their wishes, or the wishes of the model, I'm not seeing where they have a legal base. The closest thing I have been able to find to something that would put me on the wrong side is the breach of privacy statute, but it could only be applied to this in an alternate universe. OTOH, as Bran noted, there is the hysteria surrounding privacy issues and nudity that would work against me, as well, there is a strong political movement in these parts regarding abuse of women, and I'm certain that this would be argued as a form of abuse. Interestingly, the lady had no issues with wandering around the house naked in front of at least a dozen male photographers. So, the Regina Shutterbugs come off looking, to me anyway, like a group of retards, and the model, to me, a hysterical ninny who thinks nothing will be done with pictures of her, other than perhaps taping them to the photographers bedroom walls. Ah well, I had little use for them before, and have no use for them now. And Ann, I did not, nor will I, apologize to her. I refuse to admit I did anything wrong here, and am still reserving the right to repost the images if my lawyer thinks I am safe to do so. I really do believe that if people don't take a stand against this miasma of horseshit that is creeping across the land, then we will have no rights to do anything in a very few years. be well William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:53:58 -0600 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the upshot of this little tempest in a pisspot seems to be that once again, a photographer has caved in to the threat of legal action, even knowing that he has done nothing wrong. ok if you hear of me winning the lotto in the next year I will fund the defence when you put them back up. Bran -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: I refuse to admit I did anything wrong here, and am still reserving the right to repost the images if my lawyer thinks I am safe to do so. I really do believe that if people don't take a stand against this miasma of horseshit that is creeping across the land, then we will have no rights to do anything in a very few years. Good for you! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 09:53 AM 10/12/2007, William Robb wrote: miasma of horseshit HAR! I like that one. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You are right, of course. And apologizing would be a mistake. It suggets that you did something wrong. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, the upshot of this little tempest in a pisspot seems to be that once again, a photographer has caved in to the threat of legal action, even knowing that he has done nothing wrong. So far, I have not been able to find any citations, in either Canadian criminal or civil law that seems to put me on the wrong side of the legal fence. My understanding is that I would require a release if the images were being used commercially, and that I would be on the wrong side of things had I been told up front (even verbally) that the pictures were not to be used in the manner I chose. Since I am not running a commercial website, was given no usage limitation provisions at the time, nor signed any legalese by the Regina Shutterbugs (including a membership form) which would bind me to their wishes, or the wishes of the model, I'm not seeing where they have a legal base. The closest thing I have been able to find to something that would put me on the wrong side is the breach of privacy statute, but it could only be applied to this in an alternate universe. OTOH, as Bran noted, there is the hysteria surrounding privacy issues and nudity that would work against me, as well, there is a strong political movement in these parts regarding abuse of women, and I'm certain that this would be argued as a form of abuse. Interestingly, the lady had no issues with wandering around the house naked in front of at least a dozen male photographers. So, the Regina Shutterbugs come off looking, to me anyway, like a group of retards, and the model, to me, a hysterical ninny who thinks nothing will be done with pictures of her, other than perhaps taping them to the photographers bedroom walls. Ah well, I had little use for them before, and have no use for them now. And Ann, I did not, nor will I, apologize to her. I refuse to admit I did anything wrong here, and am still reserving the right to repost the images if my lawyer thinks I am safe to do so. I really do believe that if people don't take a stand against this miasma of horseshit that is creeping across the land, then we will have no rights to do anything in a very few years. be well William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: And Ann, I did not, nor will I, apologize to her. I refuse to admit I did anything wrong here, and am still reserving the right to repost the images if my lawyer thinks I am safe to do so. I really do believe that if people don't take a stand against this miasma of horseshit that is creeping across the land, then we will have no rights to do anything in a very few years. be well William Robb Bill , how long ago did you take these photos? I've missed some of the debate about this. But there is a difference between parading around in front of a group of men nude and seeing photos of yourself in cyberspace. Posing for a camera club is like posing for a class of art students. you are photoing to hone your skills. I do think you should have asked her permission if that were possible before putting on the web. She might have loved it and been flattered... otoh, maybe she was really hurtinn fort cash and just did it to help pay the rent. I'm not a prude, I don't think, but I do think anyone who paints or photographs someone in the buff should not show them ANYWHERE without the express permission of the model. OTOH, if she is the one - herself - that started the legal stuff rolling I would say that was pretty nasty -- she could have simply called you and said please take those photos of me down. Over litigating is not something I approve of, but if you really are causing this girl pain by having it on the web, why not be big about it and take down the shot? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 6, 2007 1:25 AM, Bran Everseeking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:42:52 -0800 Paul Crovella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I turn up naked on the net in sculpture, canvas or photos my own response will be wow I was young and slimmer... all are possible given my past at the university. maybe should go model again. Bran Now if I turned up naked on the internet, blindness and histeria first come to mind Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, in my experience, in most of those kinds of shoots, the photographers are told up front that they have to work out some kind of separate deal with the model if they want to use the photos for anything other than as a learning experience. And, BTW, I have never gotten anyone other than a professional model to sign a SMP long form model release, it is intimadating as hell. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- P. J. Alling wrote: Maybe she thought they'd be part of an unpublished collection. For personal use only... keith_w wrote: William Robb wrote: A couple of years ago, I partook in a little photo contest based on the Naked in the House concept. Of course, I won (using a Nikon to boot). Some of you may remember the pictures which, until very recently, were on my website. Anyway, some internet hero mentioned to the model that I had pictures of her on my website, and the shit hit the fan. So, for the moment, the images are off my website pending my deciding if I am going to be an ass about it. Now, here's the deal: The Regina Shutterbugs camera club hosted the event, and hired the model. I paid a sum of money to participate. I did not sign any paperwork (release) at all regarding the event or the pictures derived from it, other than to sign the cheque. My take on it is that I own the images and can use them for any non commercial purpose that I deem appropriate, including spreading them all over the world if I decide that such poor taste is appropriate (I just might on this one). Opinions? Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law Here's a personal comment...what did the naked model *think* was going to happen to the images captured by the photographers? H. Good luck, Wm. keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: A couple of years ago, I partook in a little photo contest based on the Naked in the House concept. Of course, I won (using a Nikon to boot). Some of you may remember the pictures which, until very recently, were on my website. Anyway, some internet hero mentioned to the model that I had pictures of her on my website, and the shit hit the fan. So, for the moment, the images are off my website pending my deciding if I am going to be an ass about it. Now, here's the deal: The Regina Shutterbugs camera club hosted the event, and hired the model. I paid a sum of money to participate. I did not sign any paperwork (release) at all regarding the event or the pictures derived from it, other than to sign the cheque. My take on it is that I own the images and can use them for any non commercial purpose that I deem appropriate, including spreading them all over the world if I decide that such poor taste is appropriate (I just might on this one). Opinions? Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law Here's a personal comment...what did the naked model *think* was going to happen to the images captured by the photographers? H. Good luck, Wm. keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Even though she got paid - if she didn't sign a model's release it would mean to me she would not have wanted those pictures circulated. Especially since she was naked. Leave it alone and apologize to her ann William Robb wrote: A couple of years ago, I partook in a little photo contest based on the Naked in the House concept. Of course, I won (using a Nikon to boot). Some of you may remember the pictures which, until very recently, were on my website. Anyway, some internet hero mentioned to the model that I had pictures of her on my website, and the shit hit the fan. So, for the moment, the images are off my website pending my deciding if I am going to be an ass about it. Now, here's the deal: The Regina Shutterbugs camera club hosted the event, and hired the model. I paid a sum of money to participate. I did not sign any paperwork (release) at all regarding the event or the pictures derived from it, other than to sign the cheque. My take on it is that I own the images and can use them for any non commercial purpose that I deem appropriate, including spreading them all over the world if I decide that such poor taste is appropriate (I just might on this one). Opinions? Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/5/2007 12:34:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Opinions? Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law -- William Robb = Don't know Canadian law, but a group shoot, either she signed a release (to the club) and/or it would be presumed to be an automatic release. Art classes (drawing/painting) hire models all the time. I would presume the same general rules apply. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yea, I know the law generally, and I'm probably wrong in thinking I know where you're comming from. Nevertheless, she did not go to a photographer (or photographera) requesting nude portraits of herself. She posed at the request of the club and for a fee. Whining that she got burned when someone placed the photos for public viewing is a lot like the whining of the woman who burned herself when the coffee she placed between her legs spilled at the takeout window at McDonnald's! Yea, I know some foolish jury awarded her damages. I believe it's about time folks learn to accept personal responsibility for the natural consequences of their actions. What did she think these photographers were going to do? Did she really think these photographers were going to keep their blowups of her privately pinned to their bedroom ceilings for their own personal nocturnal amusement? If this woman is blonde, this would be a joke! Children blame the natural consequencies of their actions on others. Grownups accept responsibility for the natural consequencies of their actions! This is really the only defining difference. No, I don't want to hear any buts. I have a but. I sit on it. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Even though she got paid - if she didn't sign a model's release it would mean to me she would not have wanted those pictures circulated. Especially since she was naked. Leave it alone and apologize to her William Robb wrote: A couple of years ago, I partook in a little photo contest based on the Naked in the House concept. Of course, I won (using a Nikon to boot). Some of you may remember the pictures which, until very recently, were on my website. Anyway, some internet hero mentioned to the model that I had pictures of her on my website, and the shit hit the fan. So, for the moment, the images are off my website pending my deciding if I am going to be an ass about it. Now, here's the deal: The Regina Shutterbugs camera club hosted the event, and hired the model. I paid a sum of money to participate. I did not sign any paperwork (release) at all regarding the event or the pictures derived from it, other than to sign the cheque. My take on it is that I own the images and can use them for any non commercial purpose that I deem appropriate, including spreading them all over the world if I decide that such poor taste is appropriate (I just might on this one). Opinions? Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:32:43 -0600 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opinions? Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law when I was young I happily took some extra money modelling for the fine arts dept. Another model sued and lost complaining that she did not know she would be in a gallery. shrug. three decades past almost. Bran -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As long as you're not selling the images commercially you're completely in the clear. If you were to try to sell the images to someone for publication you'd want to have a signed release (I know I would). But you can sell your own prints of the image, show it in your portfolio, etc. This person was a *paid* model for *photographers* for crying out loud! She had to have known the photos were going into people's portfolios. Portfolios are on line now. That's just a fact of life. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In the US you can exhibit photos of people all you want without proving anything. The problems typically come up when you use a photo in a way that may endorse something. See http://www.kantor.com/blog/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf Igor Roshchin wrote: Bill, I am not sure about Canadian laws. At some point I looked into the issues of a universal model release form, and found that laws vary widely, even between different states in the US. I vaguely remember that just recently, a decision of some court (probably in the US) that it was ok to display as a part of an art exhibition a photo of a person in a public place without a model release, but it had to be proven that it was art. I am not sure if something similar applies in your case. You may want to consider checking with the Regina Shutterbugs camera club, and see what their position on this is, and whether they had any releases or agreements signed by the model. If they have one, it may (or may not) help you, depending on the document. ann sanfedele wrote: Especially since she was naked. IMHO, whether she was naked or not may charge it emotionally, but should not matter in the legalese. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill, I am not sure about Canadian laws. At some point I looked into the issues of a universal model release form, and found that laws vary widely, even between different states in the US. I vaguely remember that just recently, a decision of some court (probably in the US) that it was ok to display as a part of an art exhibition a photo of a person in a public place without a model release, but it had to be proven that it was art. I am not sure if something similar applies in your case. You may want to consider checking with the Regina Shutterbugs camera club, and see what their position on this is, and whether they had any releases or agreements signed by the model. If they have one, it may (or may not) help you, depending on the document. ann sanfedele wrote: Especially since she was naked. IMHO, whether she was naked or not may charge it emotionally, but should not matter in the legalese. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 05/12/07, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed: Leave it alone and apologize to her The first bit is always hard for a male to do -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Professional Photographers Rule #1: Do not publish, in any form, nude photos unless you have a long Form (SMP) Model Release specifically allowing you to do so. It does not matter whether you are morally, legally, and ethically entitled to; you are still into a world of woe if you do. In fact do not depend upon a form for a minor signed only by the parent or guardian of said minor, make sure you have their personal signature as well, because sure as hell as soon as he/she comes of legal age he/she is going to sue your arse. Sure you will probably win the case, but the cost in time and money is not worth it. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 05:32 AM 6/12/2007, William Robb wrote: snip Opinions? Photoshop a goalies mask on her face (Is that Canadian style?) Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law Oh... ...Photoshop the cover page of the relevant Canadian copyright law over her face. HTH Cheers, Dave ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Neither the model or National Geographic own the photo, the photographer does. (By default that is, yes alternate arrangements are [too] often made.) It's the owner who gets to put it up on their website, or sell prints, or license it for use in National Geographic (print edition only, print+web, CD, whatever.) But law shouldn't matter in any of this. The photographer should be able to do the right thing without having his hand forced. Sandy Harris wrote: On Dec 6, 2007 9:10 AM, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Professional Photographers Rule #1: Do not publish, in any form, nude photos unless you have a long Form (SMP) Model Release specifically allowing you to do so. It does not matter whether you are morally, legally, and ethically entitled to; you are still into a world of woe if you do. ... Sure you will probably win the case, but the cost in time and money is not worth it. Also, if she's objecting to having her nude photos on the net, where anyone can copy them and a potential employer or a boyfriend or whoever might find them by Googling her name, then she has a point. I'd say you should respect her wishes on this. There have been legal cases around re-purposing of data. Should National Geographic give photographers more money when it use their photos on CD as well as in print? What about newspaper writers whose work is later used on the paper's web site -- I think it was New York Times who went to court over that one? That sort of question is the main issue in the current strike by Hollywood and TV writers. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 6, 2007 9:10 AM, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Professional Photographers Rule #1: Do not publish, in any form, nude photos unless you have a long Form (SMP) Model Release specifically allowing you to do so. It does not matter whether you are morally, legally, and ethically entitled to; you are still into a world of woe if you do. ... Sure you will probably win the case, but the cost in time and money is not worth it. Also, if she's objecting to having her nude photos on the net, where anyone can copy them and a potential employer or a boyfriend or whoever might find them by Googling her name, then she has a point. I'd say you should respect her wishes on this. There have been legal cases around re-purposing of data. Should National Geographic give photographers more money when it use their photos on CD as well as in print? What about newspaper writers whose work is later used on the paper's web site -- I think it was New York Times who went to court over that one? That sort of question is the main issue in the current strike by Hollywood and TV writers. -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Maybe she thought they'd be part of an unpublished collection. For personal use only... keith_w wrote: William Robb wrote: A couple of years ago, I partook in a little photo contest based on the Naked in the House concept. Of course, I won (using a Nikon to boot). Some of you may remember the pictures which, until very recently, were on my website. Anyway, some internet hero mentioned to the model that I had pictures of her on my website, and the shit hit the fan. So, for the moment, the images are off my website pending my deciding if I am going to be an ass about it. Now, here's the deal: The Regina Shutterbugs camera club hosted the event, and hired the model. I paid a sum of money to participate. I did not sign any paperwork (release) at all regarding the event or the pictures derived from it, other than to sign the cheque. My take on it is that I own the images and can use them for any non commercial purpose that I deem appropriate, including spreading them all over the world if I decide that such poor taste is appropriate (I just might on this one). Opinions? Preferably opinions that are relevant to Canadian law Here's a personal comment...what did the naked model *think* was going to happen to the images captured by the photographers? H. Good luck, Wm. keith -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:22:55 -0800 Paul Crovella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But law shouldn't matter in any of this. The photographer should be able to do the right thing without having his hand forced. the question really is what is right. it does not rest with one set of moral values. Bran -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's just a cop-out to never have to decide what's right and what's wrong. Bran Everseeking wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:22:55 -0800 Paul Crovella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But law shouldn't matter in any of this. The photographer should be able to do the right thing without having his hand forced. the question really is what is right. it does not rest with one set of moral values. Bran -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't think she was identified by name. Sandy Harris wrote: On Dec 6, 2007 9:10 AM, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Professional Photographers Rule #1: Do not publish, in any form, nude photos unless you have a long Form (SMP) Model Release specifically allowing you to do so. It does not matter whether you are morally, legally, and ethically entitled to; you are still into a world of woe if you do. ... Sure you will probably win the case, but the cost in time and money is not worth it. Also, if she's objecting to having her nude photos on the net, where anyone can copy them and a potential employer or a boyfriend or whoever might find them by Googling her name, then she has a point. I'd say you should respect her wishes on this. There have been legal cases around re-purposing of data. Should National Geographic give photographers more money when it use their photos on CD as well as in print? What about newspaper writers whose work is later used on the paper's web site -- I think it was New York Times who went to court over that one? That sort of question is the main issue in the current strike by Hollywood and TV writers. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:42:52 -0800 Paul Crovella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just a cop-out to never have to decide what's right and what's wrong. not at all. I do not leave it to a moralistic approach nor a legalistic one. I am of the opinion that body shame is a moral cop-out from the outset. Were I the adjudicator I would tell the paid naked in the house model to pound sand. She chose to pose nude for several photographers all of whom own the images they took. others are of the omg the poor girl naked on the net that is so wrong opinion. legal is going to be about deepest pockets. If I turn up naked on the net in sculpture, canvas or photos my own response will be wow I was young and slimmer... all are possible given my past at the university. maybe should go model again. Bran -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
