RE: Pentax 17

[rrvelar]

mike wilson wrote:
 
> The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera, 
> it's that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch 
> of people in God's waiting room.

We are both talking about the camera that uses a way outdated and very 
expensive imaging technology, aren't we?  In which case, anyone buying a 
superfluous and expensive unit when there are arguably better and certainly 
substantially cheaper options seems to be a few frames short of a roll.



I've still got Pentax film cameras if I want to play with film. The thing I 
don't want to have is more to scan to use digitally. I already have thousands 
of slides still to scan + my late father's negatives to do. Photography should 
be fun, not another job on the 'to-do' list.

Malcolm


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Re: Pentax 17

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 20.06.24 um 16:48 schrieb Bill:

Apparently the first run of cameras has already sold ...


The first run must have been quite a shipload that was given to an army 
of influencers, judging from the deluge of jubilant Pentax 17 videos on 
Youtube.


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Re: Pentax 17

[Bill]

On 6/20/2024 9:01 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 20.06.24 um 16:48 schrieb Bill:

Apparently the first run of cameras has already sold ...


The first run must have been quite a shipload that was given to an 
army of influencers, judging from the deluge of jubilant Pentax 17 
videos on Youtube.


Ralf

I doubt if the influencer crowd got more than a hundred cameras handed 
out in total, and that is very cheap advertising. The first run sold out 
within a day as it turns out.


At the moment, it looks like it is more than a successful release.

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Re: Pentax 17

[John Sessoms]

Well I hope they continue to sell out.

On 6/20/2024 10:48 AM, Bill wrote:
Apparently the first run of cameras has already sold out and the 
Japanese web store is so overwhelmed that they have temporarily stopped 
taking pre-orders.


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Re: Pentax 17

[Steve Cottrell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICIDcOtlSrQ



> On 17 Jun 2024, at 21:42, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
> £499 in the UK.
> 
> https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq
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Re: Pentax 17

[Henk Terhell]

€ 550 in NL. For somewhat lower cost I'd rather have a Pentax WG-8.

Henk

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£499 in the UK.

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Re: Pentax 17

[Stan Halpin]

$499 in US. I must say I am very tempted to have one of these in my pocket on 
my upcoming trip…
Stan

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> On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:42 PM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
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> £499 in the UK.
> 
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Re: Pentax 17

[Bill]

It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting. A little more 
expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.


bill

Ignore the offlist message Bob, I pressed the wrong button.

On 6/17/2024 2:42 PM, Bob W PDML wrote:

£499 in the UK.

https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq
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Re: Pentax 17

[Larry Colen]

> On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting.

A lot more usable than I was expecting.

> A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0.

About the same as 120 gallons of gas,  in early 1973 that would have been about 
$40, in 1974 that would have been about $60.


> 
> bill
> 
> Ignore the offlist message Bob, I pressed the wrong button.
> 
> On 6/17/2024 2:42 PM, Bob W PDML wrote:
>> £499 in the UK.
>> 
>> https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq
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Re: Pentax 17

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W PDML wrote:

>£499 in the UK.
>
>https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/pentax-17-35mm-film-camera?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=P17%20Launch%20%2801J0JYBP11MHH3ZATZKFNC4YCG%29&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=b_LcnNXhQCJBhLdWaXpSIJttvJ07EUU9zBZusFUDQQs.PM5vmq

Interesting. Not my cup of tea, but I'm so far outside the intended
demographic I might as well be in orbit. At first I thought the
portrait mode framing was odd, but then I remembered this camera is
being targeted at an audience who regards that as default because
they've grown up on smartphone cameras.
 
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Re: Pentax 17

[John Francis]

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill  wrote:
> > 
> > It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting.
> 
> A lot more usable than I was expecting.
> 
> > A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0.
> 
> About the same as 120 gallons of gas,  in early 1973 that would have been 
> about $40, in 1974 that would have been about $60.

I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + 
50mm/f1.4) in 1972,
but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that.
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Re: Pentax 17

[mike wilson]

> On 18/06/2024 05:05 BST John Francis  wrote:
> 
>  
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill  wrote:
> > > 
> > > It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting.
> > 
> > A lot more usable than I was expecting.
> > 
> > > A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0.
> > 
> > About the same as 120 gallons of gas,  in early 1973 that would have been 
> > about $40, in 1974 that would have been about $60.
> 
> I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + 
> 50mm/f1.4) in 1972,
> but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that.

The place in the UK offering the new beastie also offers (when in stock) the 
K1000 for over £100 less.   Although that in itself is daylight robbery, I know 
which I would choose.
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Re: Pentax 17

[Bill]

On 6/18/2024 12:47 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 18/06/2024 05:05 BST John Francis  wrote:

  
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:



On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill  wrote:

It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting.

A lot more usable than I was expecting.


A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0.

About the same as 120 gallons of gas,  in early 1973 that would have been about 
$40, in 1974 that would have been about $60.

I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + 
50mm/f1.4) in 1972,
but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that.

The place in the UK offering the new beastie also offers (when in stock) the 
K1000 for over £100 less.   Although that in itself is daylight robbery, I know 
which I would choose.


The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera, 
it's that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch of 
people in God's waiting room.


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Re: Pentax 17

[mike wilson]

> On 18/06/2024 14:03 BST Bill  wrote:
> 
>  
> On 6/18/2024 12:47 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> >> On 18/06/2024 05:05 BST John Francis  wrote:
> >>
> >>   
> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> >>>
>  On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>  It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting.
> >>> A lot more usable than I was expecting.
> >>>
>  A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0.
> >>> About the same as 120 gallons of gas,  in early 1973 that would have been 
> >>> about $40, in 1974 that would have been about $60.
> >> I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + 
> >> 50mm/f1.4) in 1972,
> >> but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that.
> > The place in the UK offering the new beastie also offers (when in stock) 
> > the K1000 for over £100 less.   Although that in itself is daylight 
> > robbery, I know which I would choose.
> 
> The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera, 
> it's that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch of 
> people in God's waiting room.

We are both talking about the camera that uses a way outdated and very 
expensive imaging technology, aren't we?  In which case, anyone buying a 
superfluous and expensive unit when there are arguably better and certainly 
substantially cheaper options seems to be a few frames short of a roll.
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Re: Pentax 17

[Comcast]

> On Jun 18, 2024, at 9:03 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera, it's 
> that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch of people in 
> God's waiting room.
> 
> bill

Exactly. I am most likely using the cameras I will die with-- a K1 and K3. Gave 
away or sold all my darkroom equipment years ago. Film involves work. I’m too 
old for wotk!
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Re: Pentax 17

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 17.06.24 um 22:42 schrieb Bob W PDML:

£499 in the UK.


To me, it doesn't look like a Pentax and, even worse, it doesn't look 
like something that should cost 500 quid.


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Re: Pentax 17

[Bill]

On 6/18/2024 7:11 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 18/06/2024 14:03 BST Bill  wrote:

  
On 6/18/2024 12:47 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 18/06/2024 05:05 BST John Francis  wrote:

   
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 04:03:50PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:57 PM, Bill  wrote:

It looks a lot more complete than I was expecting.

A lot more usable than I was expecting.


A little more expensive as well, but then, it is a Pentax.0.

About the same as 120 gallons of gas,  in early 1973 that would have been about 
$40, in 1974 that would have been about $60.

I can't remember exactly how much I paiid for my first Pentax (SP II + 
50mm/f1.4) in 1972,
but I'm pretty sure I paid significantly more than that.

The place in the UK offering the new beastie also offers (when in stock) the 
K1000 for over £100 less.   Although that in itself is daylight robbery, I know 
which I would choose.

The problem with the camera from the POV of the PDML isn't the camera,
it's that we are all too fucking old. The target market isn't a bunch of
people in God's waiting room.

We are both talking about the camera that uses a way outdated and very 
expensive imaging technology, aren't we?  In which case, anyone buying a 
superfluous and expensive unit when there are arguably better and certainly 
substantially cheaper options seems to be a few frames short of a roll.


Apparently Pentax figures there are enough people out there who want to 
shoot film who will also want new film cameras and the advantages that 
new provides.


Now I don't sit on the Ricoh board of directors, but then nobody who 
posts here does either, and to be blunt, the target market for this 
camera are people who are half a century younger than the average age of 
the soon to be crated and put into underground storage inhabitants of 
the PDML.


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Re: Pentax 17

[Bob W PDML]

> On 18 Jun 2024, at 16:01, Bill  wrote:
> 
> 
> […]
> Now I don't sit on the Ricoh board of directors, but then nobody who posts 
> here does either, and to be blunt, the target market for this camera are 
> people who are half a century younger than the average age of the soon to be 
> crated and put into underground storage inhabitants of the PDML.
> 
> bill
> 

35mm landscape is the best format for shooting coffins.
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Re: Pentax 17

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 18.06.24 um 16:15 schrieb Bob W PDML:

35mm landscape is the best format for shooting coffins.


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Re: [pentax 17-28 fisheye

[Gary J Sibio]

At 03:08 PM 6/16/02 +0930, you wrote:
>i just love this lens
>but that maybe because i have a distorted veiw of the world lol

Is this lens a fisheye throughout its entire range or does it go 
rectilinear at some point?



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Re: Pentax 17-28mm fisheye

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On Aug 27, 2010, at 16:50, coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:

> A local retailer has the Pentax-F 17-28 fisheye for $300.
> But then I found this for much less
> http://www.tristatecamera.com/lookat.php?sku=PENF1728*&store=1&levels=003100
> 730214&sti=
> Is one under-priced?
> It's a tempting lens.
> 

If you're shooting digital, you will probably find that a 17mm fisheye is 
disappointingly "normal with some bendy lines"-looking.

I had the Zenitar 16mm fisheye for years, but almost never used it on my ist-DS 
because it wasn't "fisheye enough" if you get my meaning.

Film would be another subject altogether...

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Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargian at Amazon.

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On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400
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> Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off.  I 
> don't know how long the sale will be for.
> 

which should, i would guess, bring up some question related to
bargian...

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Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargain at Amazon.

[P. J. Alling]

Yea, and just as I reported it was over...

Subash wrote:

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400
"P. J. Alling"  wrote:

  
Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off.  I 
don't know how long the sale will be for.





which should, i would guess, bring up some question related to
bargian...

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Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargian at Amazon.

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.. $250 off -- of what price?
I don't see any new Pentax 17-70 on Amazon for less then ~$530.
At the same time, at B&H: $489.95, Adorama: $479.95.

Are you sure you are not looking at Sigma 17-70?

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On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400
"P. J. Alling"  wrote:

> Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off.  I 
> don't know how long the sale will be for.
> 


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Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargian at Amazon.

[P. J. Alling]

I was checking it out last night, added it to my cart got a price of 
$366.99, didn't bother to clear the cart, went back the price is now $70 
off list.  I should have posted it last night.


Igor Roshchin wrote:

.. $250 off -- of what price?
I don't see any new Pentax 17-70 on Amazon for less then ~$530.
At the same time, at B&H: $489.95, Adorama: $479.95.

Are you sure you are not looking at Sigma 17-70?

Igor



On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400
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Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250 off.  I 
don't know how long the sale will be for.






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Re: Pentax 17-70 Bargian at Amazon.

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There must me an online formula virus making the rounds. I just  
ordered some pants and shorts from an online company, and the 30% off  
prices varied depending on what method you used to approach the page,  
search, sale, or waist size. Same item(s), same picture, different  
prices.


I documented it with screen shots, emailed them, and demanded a refund  
of the overcharge.



On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:15 , P. J. Alling wrote:

I was checking it out last night, added it to my cart got a price of  
$366.99, didn't bother to clear the cart, went back the price is now  
$70 off list.  I should have posted it last night.


Igor Roshchin wrote:

.. $250 off -- of what price?
I don't see any new Pentax 17-70 on Amazon for less then ~$530.
At the same time, at B&H: $489.95, Adorama: $479.95.

Are you sure you are not looking at Sigma 17-70?

Igor



On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:50:55 -0400
"P. J. Alling"  wrote:


Anyone interested in this lens Amazon has them for about $250  
off.  I don't know how long the sale will be for.


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Re: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD

[Christine Nielsen]

I had the same response (no ETA for parts) when I sent my k-7 in for
repair about a year ago.  It needed a new circuit board, too, iirc...
In the end, it took about 6 weeks. (Longer than the length of time I
had owned the camera at that point.)   I hope you have better luck.

-c

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
>
> Earlier this month, I sent my 17-70/4 zoom for repair (while it was still
> under warranty, - before the end of the 1st year).
> It had problems focusing on the long end of the focal length, -
> AF (and I couldn't get the focus confirmation when focusing manually).
>
> I just spoke with the service center, and they told me that
> they are waiting for the parts (the circuit board), and Pentax
> has no ETA for its arrival.
> I also spoke with the Pentax Support, but they haven't given any
> estimates either.
>
> 1. I wonder what is happening with PEntax that they don't have even ETA
> for their parts.
>
> 2. I wonder if this problem (or more likely, - the absence of the
> circuit boards) can be related to the infamous SDM problem.
>
> Igor
>
>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD

[Ken Waller]

Unfortunately not a new phenomenon.
I ran into this years ago when the PZ1P was still current. I needed the film 
advance motor to be replaced. I was told by Pentax repair in Colorado that 
they had no replacement available & had no idea when one was due. After 
waiting a few months I told them to replace the body (it was still under 
warranty) and viola a replacement motor magically found its way into my PZ1P 
!


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- Original Message - 
From: "Igor Roshchin" 

Subject: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD




Earlier this month, I sent my 17-70/4 zoom for repair (while it was still
under warranty, - before the end of the 1st year).
It had problems focusing on the long end of the focal length, -
AF (and I couldn't get the focus confirmation when focusing manually).

I just spoke with the service center, and they told me that
they are waiting for the parts (the circuit board), and Pentax
has no ETA for its arrival.
I also spoke with the Pentax Support, but they haven't given any
estimates either.

1. I wonder what is happening with PEntax that they don't have even ETA
for their parts.

2. I wonder if this problem (or more likely, - the absence of the
circuit boards) can be related to the infamous SDM problem.

Igor



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Re: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD

[Joseph McAllister]

On Nov 29, 2010, at 13:23 , Ken Waller wrote:

> Unfortunately not a new phenomenon.
> I ran into this years ago when the PZ1P was still current. I needed the film 
> advance motor to be replaced. I was told by Pentax repair in Colorado that 
> they had no replacement available & had no idea when one was due. After 
> waiting a few months I told them to replace the body (it was still under 
> warranty) and viola a replacement motor magically found its way into my PZ1P !

Most likely to the frustration of the next PZ-1p in line for some repair work.  
:-)

I've worked as a parts supervisor of a 1970's audio repair facility in 
Framingham, MA. At the bottom of the hill below BOSE "on the mountain". When 
the New York office called and told us to find the part "somewhere" in the 
in-house repairs or unpack a new unit from the warehouse, we knew someone had 
gone up the chain to get action on OUR lousy supply chain. This was back in the 
day when we had over 150 various transistors, bins of resistors, capacitors, 
diodes that we chose from to replace on a failed circuit board, well before 
some bean counters realized it was less expensive to replace the circuit boards 
when you considered man hours wasted on troubleshooting and making a component 
repair on an unit that manufacturing costs were just over the repair costs.

That's why these days you are frequently advised (APPLE, are you listening?) to 
replace a unit out of warranty rather than repair it. At your expense, of 
course. To emphasize that point, they will engineer your unit obsolete in 18 
months anyway.  :-) 


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Re: Pentax 17-70 repair -- on PARTS HOLD

[steve harley]

On 2010-11-29 17:31 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

Most likely to the frustration of the next PZ-1p in line for some repair work.


eleven years ago i bought a Bosch washer and dryer that i had noticed 
unmarked in a back room at an appliance store; at first the manager 
wasn't sure whether he could sell them; finally he decided he could and 
he gave me a great price


once delivered, the washer wouldn't power up; the seller came and took a 
look and was puzzled; so he called in a professional who quickly 
discovered the main logic board was missing, and called the seller; 
someone on the seller's staff suddenly remembered why they were sitting 
in that back room -- the logic board had been cannibalized to repair 
another unit ...


(been working perfectly ever since)

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

Thanks for taking the time Mark C.

The lenses are in to inspect. Salesman tested both lenses on what ever
Pentax DSLR they have. Says the Pentax is better than the first one,
but the Sigma i =s much faster on the AF than the Pentax.

Time will tell Saturday

Dave

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think
> that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I
> noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I
> tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a
> lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera
> often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. If I
> then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would take a
> second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the lens before
> testing.
>
> I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to
> focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but it
> moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in.
>
> Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to get
> a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all the
> time.
>
> It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a doubt
> the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots when the
> camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a few issues
> with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very accurate but very
> slow.
>
> Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi David -
>>>
>>> I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried
>>> counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond
>>> "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but
>>> mine is very fast. And quiet.
>>
>> Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus
>> after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep
>> was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo
>> it was in focus.
>>
>> Dave
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

 Hi all

 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.

 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

 Another is on order for Saturday

 Dave

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

had  a look at the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 and the Pentax 17-70 4 today. The
Pentax unit was much much faster than the last unit for AF, about on
par with any of my other lenses but much quieter. The Sigma was $100
more and offered a 7 year warranty and f2.8 at the wide open end, and
AF was faster than the Pentax but i decided to go with the Pentax. The
sharpness looked a bit nicer, is lighter and the focus ring moves the
correct way. LOL

I have till Tuesday when he send the Sigma back if i change my mind

Time will tel

Dave

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Thanks for taking the time Mark C.
>
> The lenses are in to inspect. Salesman tested both lenses on what ever
> Pentax DSLR they have. Says the Pentax is better than the first one,
> but the Sigma i =s much faster on the AF than the Pentax.
>
> Time will tell Saturday
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>> I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think
>> that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I
>> noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I
>> tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a
>> lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera
>> often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. If I
>> then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would take a
>> second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the lens before
>> testing.
>>
>> I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to
>> focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but it
>> moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in.
>>
>> Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to get
>> a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all the
>> time.
>>
>> It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a doubt
>> the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots when the
>> camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a few issues
>> with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very accurate but very
>> slow.
>>
>> Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C  wrote:

 Hi David -

 I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried
 counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond
 "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but
 mine is very fast. And quiet.
>>>
>>> Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus
>>> after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep
>>> was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo
>>> it was in focus.
>>>
>>> Dave

 Mark


 On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
> that's a bit to slow.
> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
> photo.
>
> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>
> Another is on order for Saturday
>
> Dave
>

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[Rob Studdert]

I bought the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 a week ago when my Sigma 17-50/2.8 was
in for repair, I quite like it. It's pretty sharp, if it's not looking
great consider checking that it's actually focused, it may need some
focus adjustment.

On 23 March 2014 04:14, David J Brooks  wrote:
> had  a look at the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 and the Pentax 17-70 4 today. The
> Pentax unit was much much faster than the last unit for AF, about on
> par with any of my other lenses but much quieter. The Sigma was $100
> more and offered a 7 year warranty and f2.8 at the wide open end, and
> AF was faster than the Pentax but i decided to go with the Pentax. The
> sharpness looked a bit nicer, is lighter and the focus ring moves the
> correct way. LOL
>
> I have till Tuesday when he send the Sigma back if i change my mind
>
> Time will tel
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Thanks for taking the time Mark C.
>>
>> The lenses are in to inspect. Salesman tested both lenses on what ever
>> Pentax DSLR they have. Says the Pentax is better than the first one,
>> but the Sigma i =s much faster on the AF than the Pentax.
>>
>> Time will tell Saturday
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>>> I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think
>>> that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I
>>> noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I
>>> tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a
>>> lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera
>>> often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. If I
>>> then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would take a
>>> second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the lens before
>>> testing.
>>>
>>> I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to
>>> focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but it
>>> moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in.
>>>
>>> Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to get
>>> a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all the
>>> time.
>>>
>>> It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a doubt
>>> the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots when the
>>> camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a few issues
>>> with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very accurate but very
>>> slow.
>>>
>>> Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>
> Hi David -
>
> I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried
> counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond
> "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but
> mine is very fast. And quiet.

 Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus
 after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep
 was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo
 it was in focus.

 Dave
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>> that's a bit to slow.
>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>> photo.
>>
>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>
>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> I bought the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 a week ago when my Sigma 17-50/2.8 was
> in for repair, I quite like it. It's pretty sharp, if it's not looking
> great consider checking that it's actually focused, it may need some
> focus adjustment.

I saw little difference between the two lenses, but the Pentax one
llooked to me a tad sharper. I did not see the point of going and
extra $100 just for 2.8 at the wide end, for a lens that will mostly
be used at 45-70, still it was nice and quite and fast AF

Dave
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> Thanks for taking the time Mark C.
>>>
>>> The lenses are in to inspect. Salesman tested both lenses on what ever
>>> Pentax DSLR they have. Says the Pentax is better than the first one,
>>> but the Sigma i =s much faster on the AF than the Pentax.
>>>
>>> Time will tell Saturday
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Mark C  wrote:
 I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think
 that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I
 noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I
 tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a
 lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera
 often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. If I
 then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would take a
 second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the lens before
 testing.

 I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to
 focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but it
 moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in.

 Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to get
 a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all the
 time.

 It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a doubt
 the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots when the
 camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a few issues
 with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very accurate but very
 slow.

 Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced.

 Mark



 On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>>
>> Hi David -
>>
>> I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried
>> counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond
>> "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but
>> mine is very fast. And quiet.
>
> Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus
> after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep
> was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo
> it was in focus.
>
> Dave
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>>> that's a bit to slow.
>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>>> photo.
>>>
>>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>>
>>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[Dario Bonazza]

Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining 
it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower 
than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good 
candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find 
it THAT slow as you pointed out.
There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and 
is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting 
forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you 
spotted.


Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
From: David J Brooks

Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
To: Pentax Discuss
Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

Hi all

I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
that's a bit to slow.
The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
photo.

So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

Another is on order for Saturday

Dave

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
 wrote:
> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining
> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find
> it THAT slow as you pointed out.
> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
> spotted.
>
> Dario
>
> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
> To: Pentax Discuss
> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
> that's a bit to slow.
> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
> photo.
>
> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>
> Another is on order for Saturday
>
> Dave
>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[Bruce Walker]

What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?

Try AF outdoors.

When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...

This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
>  wrote:
>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining
>> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
>> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
>> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find
>> it THAT slow as you pointed out.
>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
>> spotted.
>>
>> Dario
>>
>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
>> To: Pentax Discuss
>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>> that's a bit to slow.
>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>> photo.
>>
>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>
>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds  to get in focus. out
side 1-2 seconds
Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to
order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good
Even sales man said its to slow


Dave

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?
>
> Try AF outdoors.
>
> When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
> 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
> while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...
>
> This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
> still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
>> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
>> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
>> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
>>  wrote:
>>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining
>>> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
>>> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
>>> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find
>>> it THAT slow as you pointed out.
>>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
>>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
>>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
>>> spotted.
>>>
>>> Dario
>>>
>>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
>>> To: Pentax Discuss
>>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>>> that's a bit to slow.
>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>>> photo.
>>>
>>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>>
>>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[Bruce Walker]

One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really
thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your
own?


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds  to get in focus. out
> side 1-2 seconds
> Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to
> order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good
> Even sales man said its to slow
>
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?
>>
>> Try AF outdoors.
>>
>> When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
>> 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
>> while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...
>>
>> This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
>> still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
>>> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
>>> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
>>> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
>>>  wrote:
 Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, 
 gaining
 it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
 than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
 candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't 
 find
 it THAT slow as you pointed out.
 There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
 is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
 forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
 spotted.

 Dario

 -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
 To: Pentax Discuss
 Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question


 Hi all

 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.

 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

 Another is on order for Saturday

 Dave

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[Paul Stenquist]

The 17-70/4 that Pentax loaned me earlier this year was very fast to lock on 
focus with the K-3. Almost instantaneous in good light and quite fast even in 
dim light.
Paul
On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:17 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
> that's a bit to slow.
> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
> photo.
> 
> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
> 
> Another is on order for Saturday
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

Not even sure this store stocks Pentax cameras, i'll find out Sat

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really
> thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your
> own?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds  to get in focus. out
>> side 1-2 seconds
>> Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to
>> order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good
>> Even sales man said its to slow
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?
>>>
>>> Try AF outdoors.
>>>
>>> When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
>>> 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
>>> while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...
>>>
>>> This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
>>> still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
 Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
 exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
 it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
 Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.

 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
  wrote:
> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, 
> gaining
> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't 
> find
> it THAT slow as you pointed out.
> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
> spotted.
>
> Dario
>
> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
> To: Pentax Discuss
> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
> that's a bit to slow.
> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
> photo.
>
> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>
> Another is on order for Saturday
>
> Dave
>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Paul. I
d be happy if it focused as well as my 50-200 which is not like the
70-200 Nikon but its fast enough for me. This copy was so slow it
would be useless unless doing still life's.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> The 17-70/4 that Pentax loaned me earlier this year was very fast to lock on 
> focus with the K-3. Almost instantaneous in good light and quite fast even in 
> dim light.
> Paul
> On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:17 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>> that's a bit to slow.
>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>> photo.
>>
>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>
>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[Bruce Walker]

It's a Henry's isn't it? My K-3 came from the unfashionable Brampton
store where they had one counter-width devoted to Pentax. Quite well
represented, I thought.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Not even sure this store stocks Pentax cameras, i'll find out Sat
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really
>> thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your
>> own?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds  to get in focus. out
>>> side 1-2 seconds
>>> Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to
>>> order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good
>>> Even sales man said its to slow
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker  
>>> wrote:
 What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?

 Try AF outdoors.

 When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
 while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...

 This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
 still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks  
 wrote:
> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
>  wrote:
>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, 
>> gaining
>> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
>> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a 
>> good
>> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't 
>> find
>> it THAT slow as you pointed out.
>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens 
>> and
>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
>> spotted.
>>
>> Dario
>>
>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
>> To: Pentax Discuss
>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>> that's a bit to slow.
>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>> photo.
>>
>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>
>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>
>> Dave
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[Ken Waller]

Without a side by side comparison I wouldn't say my 16-50 mm f2.8 D* is 
significantly slower than any of my screw drive lenses. Seems noticeably 
faster - and definitely quieter.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Dario Bonazza" 

Subject: Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question


Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, 
gaining it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are 
slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is 
a good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I 
don't find it THAT slow as you pointed out.
There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and 
is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting 
forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you 
spotted.


Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
From: David J Brooks

Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
To: Pentax Discuss
Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

Hi all

I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
that's a bit to slow.
The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
photo.

So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

Another is on order for Saturday

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

Yes a Henrys in Markham. They had 1 camera
 and 2 lenses, thats it.

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> It's a Henry's isn't it? My K-3 came from the unfashionable Brampton
> store where they had one counter-width devoted to Pentax. Quite well
> represented, I thought.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Not even sure this store stocks Pentax cameras, i'll find out Sat
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really
>>> thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your
>>> own?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
 Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds  to get in focus. out
 side 1-2 seconds
 Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to
 order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good
 Even sales man said its to slow


 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker  
 wrote:
> What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?
>
> Try AF outdoors.
>
> When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
> 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
> while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...
>
> This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
> still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks  
> wrote:
>> Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
>> exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
>> it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
>> Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
>>  wrote:
>>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, 
>>> gaining
>>> it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are 
>>> slower
>>> than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a 
>>> good
>>> candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't 
>>> find
>>> it THAT slow as you pointed out.
>>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens 
>>> and
>>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, 
>>> hunting
>>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
>>> spotted.
>>>
>>> Dario
>>>
>>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
>>> To: Pentax Discuss
>>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>>> that's a bit to slow.
>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>>> photo.
>>>
>>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>>
>>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[Mark C]

Hi David -

I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried 
counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond 
"thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, 
but mine is very fast. And quiet.


Mark

On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Hi all

I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
that's a bit to slow.
The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
photo.

So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

Another is on order for Saturday

Dave




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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

Yes this was quiet, which is fine but way to slow, 2-3 seconds to
focus on a static object is pretty bad i have to say.
They have ordered another and i have asked them to order in a Sigma
17-70 f2.8-4 to try just in case. PF gives the Sigma 2 pixels up.

Dave

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Without a side by side comparison I wouldn't say my 16-50 mm f2.8 D* is
> significantly slower than any of my screw drive lenses. Seems noticeably
> faster - and definitely quieter.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza"
> 
> Subject: Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>
>
>
>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth,
>> gaining it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are
>> slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a
>> good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't
>> find it THAT slow as you pointed out.
>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
>> spotted.
>>
>> Dario
>>
>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
>> To: Pentax Discuss
>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>> that's a bit to slow.
>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>> photo.
>>
>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>
>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>
>> Dave
>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[P.J. Alling]

Most reviews of that lens seem to indicate that it focuses pretty fast, 
so I think there's probably something wrong with the copy you've got.  
I'd go back to the store and exchange it.


On 3/20/2014 12:54 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Yes this was quiet, which is fine but way to slow, 2-3 seconds to
focus on a static object is pretty bad i have to say.
They have ordered another and i have asked them to order in a Sigma
17-70 f2.8-4 to try just in case. PF gives the Sigma 2 pixels up.

Dave

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Without a side by side comparison I wouldn't say my 16-50 mm f2.8 D* is
significantly slower than any of my screw drive lenses. Seems noticeably
faster - and definitely quieter.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza"

Subject: Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question




Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth,
gaining it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses are
slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a
good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't
find it THAT slow as you pointed out.
There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
spotted.

Dario

-Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
To: Pentax Discuss
Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

Hi all

I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
that's a bit to slow.
The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
photo.

So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

Another is on order for Saturday

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:08 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> Most reviews of that lens seem to indicate that it focuses pretty fast, so I
> think there's probably something wrong with the copy you've got.  I'd go
> back to the store and exchange it.

The copy they had never made it out of the store PJ, they are getting
another in. Rep says warhouse has a lot so hopefully the second one
ois better.

Dave
>
>
> On 3/20/2014 12:54 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Yes this was quiet, which is fine but way to slow, 2-3 seconds to
>> focus on a static object is pretty bad i have to say.
>> They have ordered another and i have asked them to order in a Sigma
>> 17-70 f2.8-4 to try just in case. PF gives the Sigma 2 pixels up.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>>
>>> Without a side by side comparison I wouldn't say my 16-50 mm f2.8 D* is
>>> significantly slower than any of my screw drive lenses. Seems noticeably
>>> faster - and definitely quieter.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza"
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth,
>>>> gaining it the nickname of "the sloth". Generally speaking, SDM lenses
>>>> are
>>>> slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm
>>>> is a
>>>> good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I
>>>> don't
>>>> find it THAT slow as you pointed out.
>>>> There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens
>>>> and
>>>> is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length,
>>>> hunting
>>>> forever while you try & find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
>>>> spotted.
>>>>
>>>> Dario
>>>>
>>>> -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
>>>> To: Pentax Discuss
>>>> Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>>>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>>>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>>>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>>>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>>>> that's a bit to slow.
>>>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>>>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>>>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>>>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>>>> photo.
>>>>
>>>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>>>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>>>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>>>
>>>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> Hi David -
>
> I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried
> counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond
> "thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but
> mine is very fast. And quiet.

Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus
after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep
was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo
it was in focus.

Dave
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
>> nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
>> I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
>> hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
>> 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
>> that's a bit to slow.
>> The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
>> faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
>> as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
>> anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
>> photo.
>>
>> So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
>> or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
>> focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
>>
>> Another is on order for Saturday
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

[Mark C]

I tested the 17-70 on my K-5. It was a *little* slower but I don't think 
that I would have noticed if I had not been counting. The one thing I 
noticed if that if the camera failed to achieve a focus lock and then I 
tried to focus on a new subject, it took 1 to maybe 1.5 seconds to get a 
lock. What I mean is - if I pointed it at a plain white wall the camera 
often would not lock at all and just stop hunting after a short while. 
If I then switched to a subject with high contrast elements it would 
take a second or so to focus - longer than if I manual defocused the 
lens before testing.


I tried the lens on the K-01 and it consistently took about 2 seconds to 
focus - no delay in the lens starting to search for the focus point, but 
it moved slowly and generally took a couple of seconds to lock in.


Just for fun I tried it on a K-10d and it routinely took 1-3 seconds to 
get a lock, but it was surely the body's fault. The lens was hunting all 
the time.


It was interesting to compare the K-3, K-5< K-10 and K-01. Without a 
doubt the K-3 blew all of the others away and I don't recall any shots 
when the camera indicated the shot was in focus when it was not. I had a 
few issues with the K-5 and many with the K-10. The K-01 was very 
accurate but very slow.


Hopefully the new lens will fix the problem you experienced.

Mark


On 3/20/2014 1:25 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Mark C  wrote:

Hi David -

I just tested my 17-70 @ 50mm indoors in dim light on a K-3. I tried
counting off the seconds "one-thousand-one..." but never got beyond
"thous" usually stopped a "one..." I can try it on a K-5 tonight, but
mine is very fast. And quiet.

Pleas do Mark if you can. The copy i tried started to slowly focus
after 3 thousand so it probably took 2 one thousands.:-)Wehn the rep
was trying i could see the focus ring ever so slowly moving, then bamo
it was in focus.

Dave

Mark


On 3/19/2014 6:17 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Hi all

I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
that's a bit to slow.
The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
photo.

So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

Another is on order for Saturday

Dave



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