Re: Reappierance
Thank you. Appreciated. John On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:40:09 +0100, Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I missed the original, but that one is a very nice photograph! Frantisek (I slightly prefer the BW) Good light! fra -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005
Re: Reappierance
Hi, I missed the original, but that one is a very nice photograph! Frantisek (I slightly prefer the BW) Good light! fra
Re: Reappierance
I preferred keeping the foreshore, but it was so asker that after straightening the horizon there didn't seem to be a good way to keep it. Had there been more shore showing I'd have tried the crop both with and without it. Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Forbes > I think it was Cotty who suggested losing the foreshore and cropping > tighter. Shel's version isn't a tighter crop, but he too foregoes the > foreshore. Frankly, I think both approaches work. There's more than one > way to skin a cat. > > Thanks for all your comments and suggestions.
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Actually, I lightened the original one I posted, from which Shel cropped off the beach. When I re-did the pic, I left the colours and brightness pretty much alone, so it is darker than the Shel version. I agree about the oppressive feeling, but a sunny seaside postcard was not what I was after (not much chance in Brighton anyway). Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. John On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:18:08 +0100, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/21/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My "brighter, less contrasty" version is John's original, just trimmed and cropped. I made no other adjustments to the photo. It's amazing, but now that I look at the two again, yours is "lighter" looking (note: I'm not saying "brighter"). Somehow, not seeing the end of the pier makes the photo look very oppressive to me. Seeing it opens it up a great deal to my eyes. So, I can see why Jon Paul would have the impression that you brightened it... cheers, frank -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.1 - Release Date: 20/04/2005
Re: Reappierance
On 4/21/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My "brighter, less contrasty" version is John's original, just > trimmed and cropped. I made no other adjustments to the photo. > It's amazing, but now that I look at the two again, yours is "lighter" looking (note: I'm not saying "brighter"). Somehow, not seeing the end of the pier makes the photo look very oppressive to me. Seeing it opens it up a great deal to my eyes. So, I can see why Jon Paul would have the impression that you brightened it... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 4/21/05, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm with Shel on this one. Shockingly, so am I . Seeing where the pier ends seems an important element to giving the pier it's proper "space" in the frame. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 21/4/05, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: >I think it was Cotty who suggested losing the foreshore and cropping >tighter. Indeed. By cropping tighter I meant just losing the beach :-) > Shel's version isn't a tighter crop, but he too foregoes the >foreshore. Yeah, like that! >Frankly, I think both approaches work. There's more than one >way to skin a cat. Too true mate. Make the pics for yourself ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Reappierance
I think it was Cotty who suggested losing the foreshore and cropping tighter. Shel's version isn't a tighter crop, but he too foregoes the foreshore. Frankly, I think both approaches work. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Thanks for all your comments and suggestions. John On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:21:17 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I like the tighter crop. Godfrey On Apr 21, 2005, at 7:10 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: John. The color version is much better than the B&W, but I think you cropped the pic way too much. My thought was to correct the perspective and just trim the photo a bit to compemsate for the tilt. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/straighten.jpg Shel On 4/21/05, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Responding to suggestions from Cotty, Shel, and others, I have recropped, levelled and undone some colour corrections to my original pier picture. I've also added a B&W version for those who thought that would look better. I have to say I still prefer the colour. http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pier/pier.html -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.1 - Release Date: 20/04/2005
Re: Reappierance
I like the tighter crop. Godfrey On Apr 21, 2005, at 7:10 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: John. The color version is much better than the B&W, but I think you cropped the pic way too much. My thought was to correct the perspective and just trim the photo a bit to compemsate for the tilt. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/straighten.jpg Shel On 4/21/05, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Responding to suggestions from Cotty, Shel, and others, I have recropped, levelled and undone some colour corrections to my original pier picture. I've also added a B&W version for those who thought that would look better. I have to say I still prefer the colour. http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pier/pier.html
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On Apr 21, 2005, at 2:33 AM, John Forbes wrote: http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pier/pier.html I hope you will agree that the result is a marked improvement. Yes. :-) Godfrey
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Ah, I missed the original thread. (I'm up to 1475 unread PDML emails) :) >-Original Message- >From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:19 PM >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net >Subject: RE: Reappierance > > My "brighter, less contrasty" version is John's >original, just trimmed and cropped. I made no other >adjustments to the photo. > >Shel > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Jon Paul Schelter > >> >> The colour version is definitely a great shot - I'm torn between >> Shel's brighter (less contrasty?) version, and John's original dark >> one. The tighter crop also darkens the mood a bit, it seems to me. >> The B&W is good, but loses some of the punch for me. All in all, a >> beautiful shot to my untrained eye. > > >
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My "brighter, less contrasty" version is John's original, just trimmed and cropped. I made no other adjustments to the photo. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Jon Paul Schelter > > The colour version is definitely a great shot - I'm torn between Shel's > brighter (less contrasty?) version, and John's original dark one. The > tighter crop also darkens the mood a bit, it seems to me. The B&W is > good, but loses some of the punch for me. All in all, a beautiful shot > to my untrained eye.
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I'm with Shel on this one. Shel Belinkoff mused: > > John. > > The color version is much better than the B&W, but I think you cropped the > pic way too much. My thought was to correct the perspective and just trim > the photo a bit to compemsate for the tilt. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/straighten.jpg > > Shel > > > On 4/21/05, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Responding to suggestions from Cotty, Shel, and others, I have > recropped, > > > levelled and undone some colour corrections to my original pier picture. > > > I've also added a B&W version for those who thought that would look > > > better. I have to say I still prefer the colour. > > > > > > http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pier/pier.html > >
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The colour version is definitely a great shot - I'm torn between Shel's brighter (less contrasty?) version, and John's original dark one. The tighter crop also darkens the mood a bit, it seems to me. The B&W is good, but loses some of the punch for me. All in all, a beautiful shot to my untrained eye. jp >From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:20 AM > >On 21/4/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>The color version is much better than the B&W, but I think >you cropped >>the pic way too much. My thought was to correct the perspective and >>just trim the photo a bit to compemsate for the tilt. >> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/straighten.jpg > >Actually, seeing John's and Shel's crops side by side, I have >to agree with Shel. The loose crop gives it more atmosphere IMO. > >HTH --- Jon Paul Schelter - Programmer, Rockstar Games Toronto http://home.eol.ca/~snark/
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On 21/4/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: >The color version is much better than the B&W, but I think you cropped the >pic way too much. My thought was to correct the perspective and just trim >the photo a bit to compemsate for the tilt. > >http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/straighten.jpg Actually, seeing John's and Shel's crops side by side, I have to agree with Shel. The loose crop gives it more atmosphere IMO. HTH Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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John. The color version is much better than the B&W, but I think you cropped the pic way too much. My thought was to correct the perspective and just trim the photo a bit to compemsate for the tilt. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/straighten.jpg Shel > On 4/21/05, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Responding to suggestions from Cotty, Shel, and others, I have recropped, > > levelled and undone some colour corrections to my original pier picture. > > I've also added a B&W version for those who thought that would look > > better. I have to say I still prefer the colour. > > > > http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pier/pier.html
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Wonderful! I like the color version best, too. Rick --- John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Responding to suggestions from Cotty, Shel, and > others, I have recropped, > levelled and undone some colour corrections to my > original pier picture. > I've also added a B&W version for those who thought > that would look > better. I have to say I still prefer the colour. > > http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pier/pier.html > > I hope you will agree that the result is a marked > improvement. I'm > certainly pleased. Thanks for the input. > > John > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: > http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.1 - > Release Date: 20/04/2005 > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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On 21/4/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: > I >don't tend to notice tilt, so that's less consequential to me. Mark! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 4/21/05, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Responding to suggestions from Cotty, Shel, and others, I have recropped, > levelled and undone some colour corrections to my original pier picture. > I've also added a B&W version for those who thought that would look > better. I have to say I still prefer the colour. > > http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pier/pier.html I still prefer the colour, too, but the crop is a huge imrovement. I don't tend to notice tilt, so that's less consequential to me. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 21/4/05, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: >http://www.johnpforbes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pier/pier.html > >I hope you will agree that the result is a marked improvement. I'm >certainly pleased. Thanks for the input. Yep, colour for me to John. CRACKING shot. You've nailed it for me. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
