Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
Older and slower, to be sure, but even those with relatively recent systems complain about screen redraw. There's a scanner group in usenet that you can peek into for more information. Hammick uses it to disseminate information and provide support. Google should get you there quickly. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Which begs the questions, what platform are you using, and how's it set up? Processor, speed, etc. Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 6/4/2004 2:08:38 AM Subject: Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan Shel, I don't own a Nikon scanner, but I have tried Vuescan. The user interface of Vuescan is awful. You have to flip through various tabs in weird ways to get things done. And screen refresh is _very_ slow.
Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
Friday, June 4, 2004, 3:09:06 PM, Shel wrote: SB> Which begs the questions, what platform are you using, and how's it set up? SB> Processor, speed, etc. Well, my setup was slow. Enough of memory, but slow processor (Pentium 200). But compared to the SilverFast, which was instanteous even on my old machine. And on a better computer, you would be still scanning still bigger files than I did when I used the scanner. OTOH, as they said, VueScan is quite capable. It does things many OEM softwares do not. I had received SF with the scanner, and the OEM software (Microtek's) was totally unusable. Without the SF I would have returned the scanner. That the VueScan's controls are awful is my opinion. YMMV, as always on this list. But I stand behind it :-) It would be much better software if Ed Hamrick got better controls into it. But you can judge for yourself - the VueScan has got a trial version, which is the same as the full version, only limited by watermarking your image. Thus you can try before you buy. Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
Hi Shel, On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:14:34 -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: >Now that I'll soon have my very Coolscan film scanner, these questions have >more significance. So, what is it about Nikon software that you don't >like? In what way is Vuescan better? > >I've downloaded the Vuescan "Getting Started" guide and can see some >features that Nikonscan doesn't have (at least not that I know of), but >features "don't mean squat" unless they work well. Therefore, any comments >from experienced users of both software packages would be appreciated, >especially concerning the newest versions of each. I must confess I have never really USED Vuescan, but do have experience with the Nikon software. That experience was good enough to let me stick with the standard software :-) I started with a Nikon Coolscan III (a predecessor of what you'll be getting) and used the "NikonScan" software that came with it with great success for over 3 years. I also tried the "Silverfast" software that came with it as an alternative but really hated the user-interface so never used it afterwards. I had (and have) herad very positive reports about the VueScan software but at the time it did not support the ICE dust removal hardware in the scanner so I did not use that either. After switching to the Nikon 8000 ED scanner last year, to be able to scan my 67II metrial, I continued using the NikonScan software. I still like it, and the results leave (almost *) nothing to be desired. Regards, JvW PS: About the 'almost', there is a minor bug (I think) in the defaults it uses for negative material, if you scan using the defaults, the lower part of the histogram will not be used completely (black-point), so the range of values used in the image is less that it could be. Not a real problem when working in 16-bit but better to avoid it anyway. It could be that the CoolScan IV and V have the same problem ... -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery
Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
Which begs the questions, what platform are you using, and how's it set up? Processor, speed, etc. Shel Belinkoff > [Original Message] > From: Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 6/4/2004 2:08:38 AM > Subject: Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan > > Shel, > > I don't own a Nikon scanner, but I have tried Vuescan. > The user interface of Vuescan is awful. You have to flip > through various tabs in weird ways to get things done. And > screen refresh is _very_ slow.
RE: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
I don't know how this works exactly, but according to what I've read scanners that have the hardware to support digital ICE have some other options for cleanup in Vuescan supposedly using the same type of technology. I've not been able to try this yet since none of my scanners have the hardware support for it. --- The lack of ICE in Vuescan is of little consequence if your films are kept free of dust and scratches due to bad handling.
Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
Hi Rob ... > It also have good basic colour control and calibration options plus a nice > straight forward no bells and whistles interface. For instance one very nice > option is the histogram preview, it's pretty much unique in that it provides a > view of the unaltered histogram with the modified (due to the users pre-set > adjustments) below, it also simultaneously displays composite RGB and > independent R, G and B histograms. I saw that, and it looked like a nice feature. > > The lack of ICE in Vuescan is of little consequence if your films are kept free > of dust and scratches due to bad handling. The lack of ice is of little consequence when scanning conventional B&W film, which most of my scanning will be. Plus, I don't mind spotting - I find it relaxing. Katrin Eismann. in her bookPhotoshop Restoring and Retouching describes a wonderful technique for spotting and retouching large areas of similar color. Once you get it down, you can spot and retiuch an entire sky in less time than ICE3 can do it. > Nikonscan has some on going issues WRT it's neg scanning algorithms however I > don't know if this affects your scanner: > > http://www.marginalsoftware.com/LS8000Notes/NS_neg_scanning.htm It might ... will have to examine it when I get the scanner. Thanks for the good info and the link. Cheers, Shel
Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
On 3 Jun 2004 at 17:14, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Now that I'll soon have my very Coolscan film scanner, these questions have more > significance. So, what is it about Nikon software that you don't like? In what > way is Vuescan better? Primarily Vuescan is a generic interface it has been available more or less in its current form for many years and it talks to many devices. Therefore you don't need to familiarize yourself with different package for each device. For instance it will even process *ist D RAW PEF files now. It also have good basic colour control and calibration options plus a nice straight forward no bells and whistles interface. For instance one very nice option is the histogram preview, it's pretty much unique in that it provides a view of the unaltered histogram with the modified (due to the users pre-set adjustments) below, it also simultaneously displays composite RGB and independent R, G and B histograms. The lack of ICE in Vuescan is of little consequence if your films are kept free of dust and scratches due to bad handling. > I've downloaded the Vuescan "Getting Started" guide and can see some > features that Nikonscan doesn't have (at least not that I know of), but > features "don't mean squat" unless they work well. Therefore, any comments from > experienced users of both software packages would be appreciated, especially > concerning the newest versions of each. Nikonscan has some on going issues WRT it's neg scanning algorithms however I don't know if this affects your scanner: http://www.marginalsoftware.com/LS8000Notes/NS_neg_scanning.htm Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
it does remove something else. if you print 11x14 and larger and hold the prints very close, you will see a difference. that difference isn't worth it to me. i would rather shoot and stitch a multirow panorama if i need the detail at larger sizes. i got my money's worth out of my Coolscan 4000ED by scanning thousands of slides at high resolution. i expect the ten remaining rolls of Provia 100F to be the last rolls of slide film i will likely shoot. i can see shooting Velvia for a while longer, but only when i am sure i will need more enlargement. Herb - Original Message - From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan > Not knocking Vuescan... I had it with my Dimage I scanner and it definitely > outshined Minolta's scanning software. With the Dimage IV... it looks like > they've incorporated much of what Vuescan had. > > As far as dust... I scrupulously clean the neg or slide with compressed air > before scanning... even wiping gently with a microfiber cloth if there's a > film of some kind left behind from processing lab on the slide. Digital Ice > does remove most of the dust but I'm insecure as to what else it's removing > as well...
Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
Not knocking Vuescan... I had it with my Dimage I scanner and it definitely outshined Minolta's scanning software. With the Dimage IV... it looks like they've incorporated much of what Vuescan had. As far as dust... I scrupulously clean the neg or slide with compressed air before scanning... even wiping gently with a microfiber cloth if there's a film of some kind left behind from processing lab on the slide. Digital Ice does remove most of the dust but I'm insecure as to what else it's removing as well... Tom C. From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:38:42 -0400 if Vuescan doesn't support Digital ICE and you not shooting Kodachrome or conventional B&W, you are in for many more hours in front of Photoshop fixing dust that would have been removed automatically. E-6 and C-41 films are hugely more scannable when using hardware dust and scratch removal. Herb - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan > Now that I'll soon have my very Coolscan film scanner, these questions have > more significance. So, what is it about Nikon software that you don't > like? In what way is Vuescan better?
Re: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan
if Vuescan doesn't support Digital ICE and you not shooting Kodachrome or conventional B&W, you are in for many more hours in front of Photoshop fixing dust that would have been removed automatically. E-6 and C-41 films are hugely more scannable when using hardware dust and scratch removal. Herb - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Scanning Software: Nikonscan v Vuescan > Now that I'll soon have my very Coolscan film scanner, these questions have > more significance. So, what is it about Nikon software that you don't > like? In what way is Vuescan better?
