Re: WTB or trade
Thanks, Frank and Bob. No, I much rather you did contact me off-the-list as it takes my mind off these matters which I admit is a good thing. On 11/17/2012 11:38 AM, Bob W wrote: Ditto -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of knarftheria...@gmail.com Sent: 17 November 2012 05:41 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: WTB or trade Glad to see you posting, Boris. Because of your last post I have resisted contacting you off-list or commenting on-list. Thoughts are with you and your family. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Boris Liberman Sent: November 17, 2012 11/17/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: WTB or trade Jos, Here are few points that I find relevant: 1. The price/quality and price/reliability ratio of DA* 16-50 is high. Although I am not terribly bothered by the soft corners at wider apertures and wider focal lengths, it is a bit unpleasant to look at wide shots Galia and I took in our most recent trip to USA only to see softness where ideally it ought to be sharp... 2. I did not have any SDM troubles with my sample, *yet*. That is, I am going to emphasize that specifically in my ad for it - no SDM issues whatsoever, *yet*. 3. I might use a slightly longer reach for outdoor situations where maximal aperture of f4.5 won't be that objectionable. 4. Yes, the HSM OS lens is better on the paper. However in terms of mechanical longevity the fact that it has the whole optical group designed to be movable is not something I'd appreciate. 5. I've just missed an opportunity to buy one such lens for USD 195 (plus shipping, taxes on my side, etc). So it is not very expensive. I've been introduced to this lens by Jaume few years ago when we met here. So I kind of know this lens and even then I remember I was quite surprised by it. I hope my answer makes sense to you. Boris On 11/16/2012 10:11 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: Hi Boris, I wonder why you want the older one. I have the older one. I am happy with it, but last week in the theatre, I had to switch it to manual focus because of the screwdriver noise. The HSM version would have been silent I guess. At the other hand: I try to avoid HSM lenses for reliability reasons. What are your arguments for wanting screwdriver and not HSM? greetz, Jos On 15-11-2012 6:09, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I'm looking for Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 (not the modern OS HSM version, but the older one). I'm willing either to buy it or to trade it for my DA* 16-50/2.8. In the case of trade some money would have to come along with the Sigma lens. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB or trade
Thanks for the kind words, Jos! On 11/17/2012 6:36 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: Boris, I understand and agree with your reasoning. I have also the Sigma 18-50/2.8, a very fine lens, but I'am using the Sigma 17-70/2.8-4 as default lens for its longer range, I bought it "as new" for 230 euro, I will not switch to the SDM -version for reliability reasons (my general impression from the internet is that "screwdriver AF" is, much, more reliable, or better longlivity as you say) Hope you are and remain fine, every victim in this conflict is one too much Jos On 17-11-2012 6:34, Boris Liberman wrote: Jos, Here are few points that I find relevant: 1. The price/quality and price/reliability ratio of DA* 16-50 is high. Although I am not terribly bothered by the soft corners at wider apertures and wider focal lengths, it is a bit unpleasant to look at wide shots Galia and I took in our most recent trip to USA only to see softness where ideally it ought to be sharp... 2. I did not have any SDM troubles with my sample, *yet*. That is, I am going to emphasize that specifically in my ad for it - no SDM issues whatsoever, *yet*. 3. I might use a slightly longer reach for outdoor situations where maximal aperture of f4.5 won't be that objectionable. 4. Yes, the HSM OS lens is better on the paper. However in terms of mechanical longevity the fact that it has the whole optical group designed to be movable is not something I'd appreciate. 5. I've just missed an opportunity to buy one such lens for USD 195 (plus shipping, taxes on my side, etc). So it is not very expensive. I've been introduced to this lens by Jaume few years ago when we met here. So I kind of know this lens and even then I remember I was quite surprised by it. I hope my answer makes sense to you. Boris On 11/16/2012 10:11 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: Hi Boris, I wonder why you want the older one. I have the older one. I am happy with it, but last week in the theatre, I had to switch it to manual focus because of the screwdriver noise. The HSM version would have been silent I guess. At the other hand: I try to avoid HSM lenses for reliability reasons. What are your arguments for wanting screwdriver and not HSM? greetz, Jos On 15-11-2012 6:09, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I'm looking for Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 (not the modern OS HSM version, but the older one). I'm willing either to buy it or to trade it for my DA* 16-50/2.8. In the case of trade some money would have to come along with the Sigma lens. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB or trade
Boris, I understand and agree with your reasoning. I have also the Sigma 18-50/2.8, a very fine lens, but I'am using the Sigma 17-70/2.8-4 as default lens for its longer range, I bought it "as new" for 230 euro, I will not switch to the SDM -version for reliability reasons (my general impression from the internet is that "screwdriver AF" is, much, more reliable, or better longlivity as you say) Hope you are and remain fine, every victim in this conflict is one too much Jos On 17-11-2012 6:34, Boris Liberman wrote: Jos, Here are few points that I find relevant: 1. The price/quality and price/reliability ratio of DA* 16-50 is high. Although I am not terribly bothered by the soft corners at wider apertures and wider focal lengths, it is a bit unpleasant to look at wide shots Galia and I took in our most recent trip to USA only to see softness where ideally it ought to be sharp... 2. I did not have any SDM troubles with my sample, *yet*. That is, I am going to emphasize that specifically in my ad for it - no SDM issues whatsoever, *yet*. 3. I might use a slightly longer reach for outdoor situations where maximal aperture of f4.5 won't be that objectionable. 4. Yes, the HSM OS lens is better on the paper. However in terms of mechanical longevity the fact that it has the whole optical group designed to be movable is not something I'd appreciate. 5. I've just missed an opportunity to buy one such lens for USD 195 (plus shipping, taxes on my side, etc). So it is not very expensive. I've been introduced to this lens by Jaume few years ago when we met here. So I kind of know this lens and even then I remember I was quite surprised by it. I hope my answer makes sense to you. Boris On 11/16/2012 10:11 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: Hi Boris, I wonder why you want the older one. I have the older one. I am happy with it, but last week in the theatre, I had to switch it to manual focus because of the screwdriver noise. The HSM version would have been silent I guess. At the other hand: I try to avoid HSM lenses for reliability reasons. What are your arguments for wanting screwdriver and not HSM? greetz, Jos On 15-11-2012 6:09, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I'm looking for Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 (not the modern OS HSM version, but the older one). I'm willing either to buy it or to trade it for my DA* 16-50/2.8. In the case of trade some money would have to come along with the Sigma lens. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: WTB or trade
Ditto > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > knarftheria...@gmail.com > Sent: 17 November 2012 05:41 > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: WTB or trade > > Glad to see you posting, Boris. > > Because of your last post I have resisted contacting you off-list or > commenting on-list. > > Thoughts are with you and your family. > > Cheers, > frank > > --- Original Message --- > > From: Boris Liberman > Sent: November 17, 2012 11/17/12 > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Subject: Re: WTB or trade > > Jos, > > Here are few points that I find relevant: > > 1. The price/quality and price/reliability ratio of DA* 16-50 is high. > Although I am not terribly bothered by the soft corners at wider > apertures and wider focal lengths, it is a bit unpleasant to look at > wide shots Galia and I took in our most recent trip to USA only to see > softness where ideally it ought to be sharp... > > 2. I did not have any SDM troubles with my sample, *yet*. That is, I am > going to emphasize that specifically in my ad for it - no SDM issues > whatsoever, *yet*. > > 3. I might use a slightly longer reach for outdoor situations where > maximal aperture of f4.5 won't be that objectionable. > > 4. Yes, the HSM OS lens is better on the paper. However in terms of > mechanical longevity the fact that it has the whole optical group > designed to be movable is not something I'd appreciate. > > 5. I've just missed an opportunity to buy one such lens for USD 195 > (plus shipping, taxes on my side, etc). So it is not very expensive. > > I've been introduced to this lens by Jaume few years ago when we met > here. So I kind of know this lens and even then I remember I was quite > surprised by it. > > I hope my answer makes sense to you. > > Boris > > > On 11/16/2012 10:11 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: > > Hi Boris, > > I wonder why you want the older one. > > I have the older one. I am happy with it, but last week in the > > theatre, I had to switch it to manual focus because of the > screwdriver > > noise. The HSM version would have been silent I guess. > > At the other hand: I try to avoid HSM lenses for reliability reasons. > > What are your arguments for wanting screwdriver and not HSM? > > greetz, Jos > > > > On 15-11-2012 6:09, Boris Liberman wrote: > >> Hi! > >> > >> I'm looking for Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 (not the modern OS HSM version, > >> but the older one). I'm willing either to buy it or to trade it for > >> my > >> DA* 16-50/2.8. In the case of trade some money would have to come > >> along with the Sigma lens. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Boris > >> > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB or trade
Glad to see you posting, Boris. Because of your last post I have resisted contacting you off-list or commenting on-list. Thoughts are with you and your family. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Boris Liberman Sent: November 17, 2012 11/17/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: WTB or trade Jos, Here are few points that I find relevant: 1. The price/quality and price/reliability ratio of DA* 16-50 is high. Although I am not terribly bothered by the soft corners at wider apertures and wider focal lengths, it is a bit unpleasant to look at wide shots Galia and I took in our most recent trip to USA only to see softness where ideally it ought to be sharp... 2. I did not have any SDM troubles with my sample, *yet*. That is, I am going to emphasize that specifically in my ad for it - no SDM issues whatsoever, *yet*. 3. I might use a slightly longer reach for outdoor situations where maximal aperture of f4.5 won't be that objectionable. 4. Yes, the HSM OS lens is better on the paper. However in terms of mechanical longevity the fact that it has the whole optical group designed to be movable is not something I'd appreciate. 5. I've just missed an opportunity to buy one such lens for USD 195 (plus shipping, taxes on my side, etc). So it is not very expensive. I've been introduced to this lens by Jaume few years ago when we met here. So I kind of know this lens and even then I remember I was quite surprised by it. I hope my answer makes sense to you. Boris On 11/16/2012 10:11 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: > Hi Boris, > I wonder why you want the older one. > I have the older one. I am happy with it, but last week in the theatre, > I had to switch it to manual focus because of the screwdriver noise. The > HSM version would have been silent I guess. > At the other hand: I try to avoid HSM lenses for reliability reasons. > What are your arguments for wanting screwdriver and not HSM? > greetz, Jos > > On 15-11-2012 6:09, Boris Liberman wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I'm looking for Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 (not the modern OS HSM version, >> but the older one). I'm willing either to buy it or to trade it for my >> DA* 16-50/2.8. In the case of trade some money would have to come >> along with the Sigma lens. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Boris >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB or trade
Jos, Here are few points that I find relevant: 1. The price/quality and price/reliability ratio of DA* 16-50 is high. Although I am not terribly bothered by the soft corners at wider apertures and wider focal lengths, it is a bit unpleasant to look at wide shots Galia and I took in our most recent trip to USA only to see softness where ideally it ought to be sharp... 2. I did not have any SDM troubles with my sample, *yet*. That is, I am going to emphasize that specifically in my ad for it - no SDM issues whatsoever, *yet*. 3. I might use a slightly longer reach for outdoor situations where maximal aperture of f4.5 won't be that objectionable. 4. Yes, the HSM OS lens is better on the paper. However in terms of mechanical longevity the fact that it has the whole optical group designed to be movable is not something I'd appreciate. 5. I've just missed an opportunity to buy one such lens for USD 195 (plus shipping, taxes on my side, etc). So it is not very expensive. I've been introduced to this lens by Jaume few years ago when we met here. So I kind of know this lens and even then I remember I was quite surprised by it. I hope my answer makes sense to you. Boris On 11/16/2012 10:11 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: Hi Boris, I wonder why you want the older one. I have the older one. I am happy with it, but last week in the theatre, I had to switch it to manual focus because of the screwdriver noise. The HSM version would have been silent I guess. At the other hand: I try to avoid HSM lenses for reliability reasons. What are your arguments for wanting screwdriver and not HSM? greetz, Jos On 15-11-2012 6:09, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I'm looking for Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 (not the modern OS HSM version, but the older one). I'm willing either to buy it or to trade it for my DA* 16-50/2.8. In the case of trade some money would have to come along with the Sigma lens. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB or trade
Hi Boris, I wonder why you want the older one. I have the older one. I am happy with it, but last week in the theatre, I had to switch it to manual focus because of the screwdriver noise. The HSM version would have been silent I guess. At the other hand: I try to avoid HSM lenses for reliability reasons. What are your arguments for wanting screwdriver and not HSM? greetz, Jos On 15-11-2012 6:09, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I'm looking for Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5 (not the modern OS HSM version, but the older one). I'm willing either to buy it or to trade it for my DA* 16-50/2.8. In the case of trade some money would have to come along with the Sigma lens. Thanks. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
