RE: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs
Wierd discoveries: I've been folling around with my D and some TTL flashes (AF 500FTZ, Metz CT3 and Metz 32 Z-2). Unlike PZ-1 and MZ-S, when the camera is set to Green Program or P, it will NOT choose speeds longer than 1/60 sec. (using FA 1.4/50mm), no matter which dedicated falsh is used (This used to vary with the falsh used). That's an improvement - I used to hate, when it choose 1/30 sec. The reason for using MANUAL-mode when ever a flash was on. In Green Mode the camera will choose fro 1/60 to ? If the speed is faster than 1/150 sec. the flash simply won't fire. But here's the funny part: If I point the camera directly into a light source (light bulb) the camera may chose a bigger aperture (like 2.0) and a slightly faster speed (like 1/200sec.) If I turn the camera down towards a darker place - it will choose perhaps 5.6 and 1/100 sec. Now, that's wierd!! In P mode it's the same as green mode, except it will not go above (faster) 1/150 sec. (max sync. speed) (Green mode and P-mode is good for all 'round shooting) In Tv mode the camera can be set to any speed equal to or slower than 1/150 sec Tv is good for slow-flash shots - you know; the girl friend in front of the setting sun, utilizing the long speed for the background, the flash for freezing the model). In Av mode the camera will choose from speeds between 1/60 and 1/150secs. Av is good for when you want to utilize the available light, without risking too low speeds/motion blur. I guess I'll start using Av mode now (now I have the lower 1/60 secs. imit) - and of cource I must remember to check the flash OK indication light. I hope this makes sence for D-users as well as for DS-users. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. februar 2005 16:37 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs I am a D-user, not DS. But I belive this goes for both. I never trust automatic flash programs, since I can't hold speeds longer than 1/30 sec. still eneough, anyway. I always shoot on MANUAL, when using a flash. The TTL will still works, when using PZ-1 or later cameras!! At long exposures (1/30 or longer) the flash will not freeze movement if there's much available light present. I set the speed and aperture accordning to the shooting conditions. I prefere indirect flash, bounched off the cieling. And I prefere to utilize as much as the available light as possible. So, before selection my setting I make a redaing as if there's no falsh. If it says 1/60 sec. F5.6, I may shoot at 1/60 sec. F8 or prhaps 1/125 F5.6 or F8 - if the subject (people) are moveing around. A small underexposure (that is as close to the values, I got from measuring the available light) will utilize as much of the available light as possible, still taking advantage of the falsh. Se my test: No falsh, camera metering: http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921186.html Clixk next to see the flash fotograph, based on the above shown metering, or: http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921434.html Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. februar 2005 10:43 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re:What setting. Was:flash on *istDs Bruce said As for using the 280T, try setting the ISO to 400 and then doing a few test shots to dial in some minus compensation. I use the AF400T all the time for weddings and end up using about -2 stops compensation. With that, most shots are pretty good in TTL. -- Best regards, Bruce Bruce. What setting on the camera . Do you use Manual shutter and F stop or AV or Tv etc. My few test shots lately find Av and -0.5 seem good,but i have not delved into it a lot. Dave
RE: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs
I am a D-user, not DS. But I belive this goes for both. I never trust automatic flash programs, since I can't hold speeds longer than 1/30 sec. still eneough, anyway. I always shoot on MANUAL, when using a flash. The TTL will still works, when using PZ-1 or later cameras!! At long exposures (1/30 or longer) the flash will not freeze movement if there's much available light present. I set the speed and aperture accordning to the shooting conditions. I prefere indirect flash, bounched off the cieling. And I prefere to utilize as much as the available light as possible. So, before selection my setting I make a redaing as if there's no falsh. If it says 1/60 sec. F5.6, I may shoot at 1/60 sec. F8 or prhaps 1/125 F5.6 or F8 - if the subject (people) are moveing around. A small underexposure (that is as close to the values, I got from measuring the available light) will utilize as much of the available light as possible, still taking advantage of the falsh. Se my test: No falsh, camera metering: http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921186.html Clixk next to see the flash fotograph, based on the above shown metering, or: http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921434.html Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. februar 2005 10:43 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re:What setting. Was:flash on *istDs Bruce said As for using the 280T, try setting the ISO to 400 and then doing a few test shots to dial in some minus compensation. I use the AF400T all the time for weddings and end up using about -2 stops compensation. With that, most shots are pretty good in TTL. -- Best regards, Bruce Bruce. What setting on the camera . Do you use Manual shutter and F stop or AV or Tv etc. My few test shots lately find Av and -0.5 seem good,but i have not delved into it a lot. Dave
Re: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs
Dave, I use manual settings on the camera - usually around 1/30th and middle ranges of f-stops. Weddings are trickier because you have pics with large amounts of white and pics with large amounts of black. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, February 5, 2005, 5:42:52 PM, you wrote: bcin Bruce said As for using the 280T, try setting the ISO to 400 and then doing a few test shots to dial in some minus compensation. I use the AF400T all the time for weddings and end up using about -2 stops compensation. With that, most shots are pretty good in TTL. -- Best regards, Bruce bcin Bruce. bcin What setting on the camera . Do you use Manual shutter and F stop or AV or Tv etc. bcin My few test shots lately find Av and -0.5 seem good,but i bcin have not delved into it a lot. bcin Dave
Re: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs
Hello Jens, Good description of technique. I use about the same technique. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, February 6, 2005, 7:36:36 AM, you wrote: JB I am a D-user, not DS. JB But I belive this goes for both. JB I never trust automatic flash programs, since I can't hold speeds longer JB than 1/30 sec. still eneough, anyway. JB I always shoot on MANUAL, when using a flash. The TTL will still works, when JB using PZ-1 or later cameras!! JB At long exposures (1/30 or longer) the flash will not freeze movement if JB there's much available light present. JB I set the speed and aperture accordning to the shooting conditions. I JB prefere indirect flash, bounched off the cieling. JB And I prefere to utilize as much as the available light as possible. JB So, before selection my setting I make a redaing as if there's no falsh. JB If it says 1/60 sec. F5.6, I may shoot at 1/60 sec. F8 or prhaps 1/125 F5.6 JB or F8 - if the subject (people) are moveing around. A small underexposure JB (that is as close to the values, I got from measuring the available light) JB will utilize as much of the available light as possible, still taking JB advantage of the falsh. JB Se my test: JB No falsh, camera metering: JB http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921186.html JB Clixk next to see the flash fotograph, based on the above shown metering, JB or: JB http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921434.html JB Jens Bladt JB mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt JB -Oprindelig meddelelse- JB Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB Sendt: 6. februar 2005 10:43 JB Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net JB Emne: Re:What setting. Was:flash on *istDs JB Bruce said As for using the 280T, try setting the ISO to 400 and then doing a few test shots to dial in some minus compensation. I use the AF400T all the time for weddings and end up using about -2 stops compensation. With JB that, most shots are pretty good in TTL. -- Best regards, Bruce JB Bruce. JB What setting on the camera . Do you use Manual shutter and F stop or AV or JB Tv etc. JB My few test shots lately find Av and -0.5 seem good,but i have not delved JB into it a lot. JB Dave
RE: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs
Thanks, Bruce. I appreciate that. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. februar 2005 18:45 Til: Jens Bladt Emne: Re: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs Hello Jens, Good description of technique. I use about the same technique. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, February 6, 2005, 7:36:36 AM, you wrote: JB I am a D-user, not DS. JB But I belive this goes for both. JB I never trust automatic flash programs, since I can't hold speeds longer JB than 1/30 sec. still eneough, anyway. JB I always shoot on MANUAL, when using a flash. The TTL will still works, when JB using PZ-1 or later cameras!! JB At long exposures (1/30 or longer) the flash will not freeze movement if JB there's much available light present. JB I set the speed and aperture accordning to the shooting conditions. I JB prefere indirect flash, bounched off the cieling. JB And I prefere to utilize as much as the available light as possible. JB So, before selection my setting I make a redaing as if there's no falsh. JB If it says 1/60 sec. F5.6, I may shoot at 1/60 sec. F8 or prhaps 1/125 F5.6 JB or F8 - if the subject (people) are moveing around. A small underexposure JB (that is as close to the values, I got from measuring the available light) JB will utilize as much of the available light as possible, still taking JB advantage of the falsh. JB Se my test: JB No falsh, camera metering: JB http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921186.html JB Clixk next to see the flash fotograph, based on the above shown metering, JB or: JB http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921434.html JB Jens Bladt JB mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt JB -Oprindelig meddelelse- JB Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB Sendt: 6. februar 2005 10:43 JB Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net JB Emne: Re:What setting. Was:flash on *istDs JB Bruce said As for using the 280T, try setting the ISO to 400 and then doing a few test shots to dial in some minus compensation. I use the AF400T all the time for weddings and end up using about -2 stops compensation. With JB that, most shots are pretty good in TTL. -- Best regards, Bruce JB Bruce. JB What setting on the camera . Do you use Manual shutter and F stop or AV or JB Tv etc. JB My few test shots lately find Av and -0.5 seem good,but i have not delved JB into it a lot. JB Dave
RE: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs
And i appreciate the starting points..:-) Thanks Jens and Bruce. Dave Thanks, Bruce. I appreciate that. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. februar 2005 18:45 Til: Jens Bladt Emne: Re: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs Hello Jens, Good description of technique. I use about the same technique. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, February 6, 2005, 7:36:36 AM, you wrote: JB I am a D-user, not DS. JB But I belive this goes for both. JB I never trust automatic flash programs, since I can't hold speeds longer JB than 1/30 sec. still eneough, anyway. JB I always shoot on MANUAL, when using a flash. The TTL will still works, when JB using PZ-1 or later cameras!! JB At long exposures (1/30 or longer) the flash will not freeze movement if JB there's much available light present. JB I set the speed and aperture accordning to the shooting conditions. I JB prefere indirect flash, bounched off the cieling. JB And I prefere to utilize as much as the available light as possible. JB So, before selection my setting I make a redaing as if there's no falsh. JB If it says 1/60 sec. F5.6, I may shoot at 1/60 sec. F8 or prhaps 1/125 F5.6 JB or F8 - if the subject (people) are moveing around. A small underexposure JB (that is as close to the values, I got from measuring the available light) JB will utilize as much of the available light as possible, still taking JB advantage of the falsh. JB Se my test: JB No falsh, camera metering: JB http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921186.html JB Clixk next to see the flash fotograph, based on the above shown metering, JB or: JB http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921434.html JB Jens Bladt JB mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt JB -Oprindelig meddelelse- JB Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB Sendt: 6. februar 2005 10:43 JB Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net JB Emne: Re:What setting. Was:flash on *istDs JB Bruce said As for using the 280T, try setting the ISO to 400 and then doing a few test shots to dial in some minus compensation. I use the AF400T all the time for weddings and end up using about -2 stops compensation. With JB that, most shots are pretty good in TTL. -- Best regards, Bruce JB Bruce. JB What setting on the camera . Do you use Manual shutter and F stop or AV or JB Tv etc. JB My few test shots lately find Av and -0.5 seem good,but i have not delved JB into it a lot. JB Dave
RE: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs
I wrote: In P mode it's the same as green mode, except it will not go above (faster) 1/150 sec. (max sync. speed) (Green mode and P-mode is good for all 'round shooting) This is actually NOT quite true: In P-mode Hyper-Program is activated, which means you can chose between several T/A combinations, with a flash as long as the shutter speed is within the 1/60sec - 1/150sec interval. You can't do this in Green Mode. This is actually a VERY nice feature! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. februar 2005 14:05 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: RE: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs And i appreciate the starting points..:-) Thanks Jens and Bruce. Dave Thanks, Bruce. I appreciate that. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 6. februar 2005 18:45 Til: Jens Bladt Emne: Re: What setting. Was:flash on *istDs Hello Jens, Good description of technique. I use about the same technique. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, February 6, 2005, 7:36:36 AM, you wrote: JB I am a D-user, not DS. JB But I belive this goes for both. JB I never trust automatic flash programs, since I can't hold speeds longer JB than 1/30 sec. still eneough, anyway. JB I always shoot on MANUAL, when using a flash. The TTL will still works, when JB using PZ-1 or later cameras!! JB At long exposures (1/30 or longer) the flash will not freeze movement if JB there's much available light present. JB I set the speed and aperture accordning to the shooting conditions. I JB prefere indirect flash, bounched off the cieling. JB And I prefere to utilize as much as the available light as possible. JB So, before selection my setting I make a redaing as if there's no falsh. JB If it says 1/60 sec. F5.6, I may shoot at 1/60 sec. F8 or prhaps 1/125 F5.6 JB or F8 - if the subject (people) are moveing around. A small underexposure JB (that is as close to the values, I got from measuring the available light) JB will utilize as much of the available light as possible, still taking JB advantage of the falsh. JB Se my test: JB No falsh, camera metering: JB http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921186.html JB Clixk next to see the flash fotograph, based on the above shown metering, JB or: JB http://gallery37564.fotopic.net/p8921434.html JB Jens Bladt JB mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt JB -Oprindelig meddelelse- JB Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JB Sendt: 6. februar 2005 10:43 JB Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net JB Emne: Re:What setting. Was:flash on *istDs JB Bruce said As for using the 280T, try setting the ISO to 400 and then doing a few test shots to dial in some minus compensation. I use the AF400T all the time for weddings and end up using about -2 stops compensation. With JB that, most shots are pretty good in TTL. -- Best regards, Bruce JB Bruce. JB What setting on the camera . Do you use Manual shutter and F stop or AV or JB Tv etc. JB My few test shots lately find Av and -0.5 seem good,but i have not delved JB into it a lot. JB Dave
