Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5
From: Adam Maas The Man-portable version of the XM214 is 85lbs with a full ammo load, which is what they used in the movie (IIRC it was functional but loaded with blanks). They used special effects because the firing rate was too high for film, and the sound was slowed down to match the effects. -Adam On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:22 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Apparently the one in the movie is a mock-up of an experimental version developed to fire 5.56mm ammunition. It was intended to be man portable. The experiment did not work out. I wasn't able to confirm that anywhere on the internet. I mean confirm the movie used a real XM214. The XM214 SixPack did weigh 85lb with ammo pack, but it was meant for vehicle or tripod mount, with no provision for firing hand held. I did find where Ahnold got the idea for the minigun in T2. He was in a movie with Jesse Ventura in 1987 called Predator, and Jesse had the XM214 (or prop gun version???). I actually found that more convincing since they mounted a fore grip under the barrels which I think would have made it slightly more controllable. The minigun wasn't the only thing Ahnold copied from Jesse. I did turn up a few other interesting "hand-held miniguns" in my research. My final input on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygFMN5bvkqI -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5
The Man-portable version of the XM214 is 85lbs with a full ammo load, which is what they used in the movie (IIRC it was functional but loaded with blanks). They used special effects because the firing rate was too high for film, and the sound was slowed down to match the effects. -Adam On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:22 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > Apparently the one in the movie is a mock-up of an experimental version > developed to fire 5.56mm ammunition. It was intended to be man portable. The > experiment did not work out. > > I don't think they used a real XM214. The movie has a prop gun that spins > the barrels, but doesn't actually fire. The occasional muzzle blast is > photoshopped in afterwords. > > The 7.62mm version of the gun is not that heavy, less than 50 pounds - about > 20Kg. > > I started out in the military as an aircraft electrician assigned to a unit > flying UH-1D gunships. The guns had to be mounted before flying out to the > ranges. I could carry lift it one-handed. * > > There's really no where you could hold on to it while it's firing. > > From: eckinator >>> >>> From what I heard he was the only one on the set who was able to >>> lift it. Even the XM214 is probably too heavy to comfortably >>> operate handheld. I wonder though if a minigun would be more >>> manageable with a proper battery grip and portrait controls ]=) >>> 2010/10/30 John Sessoms : Yeah, that's the one "Ahnold" carries in T2. It's not hand holdable despite what Hollyweird special effects gurus might imply. From: Steven Desjardins >> >> or this: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun >> >> Favorite of the the Mythbusters. >> > > * note: For safety it was a two-person procedure to mount the gun. One > person lifted it into position, using both hands, while another person > slipped in the bolt. Usually a team consisting of an armorer & aircraft > electrician. > > Well, not so much a team, as the electricians were out there checking radios > and batteries, so we got to do the grunt lifting while the armorers got to > do the glamorous bits. Otherwise I was only involved if they hooked up the > power connector and the gun wouldn't spin up when they tested. All I had to > do then was verify there was 24VDC available on the correct pins. > > If not, that bird wasn't going to fly that day. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5
Apparently the one in the movie is a mock-up of an experimental version developed to fire 5.56mm ammunition. It was intended to be man portable. The experiment did not work out. I don't think they used a real XM214. The movie has a prop gun that spins the barrels, but doesn't actually fire. The occasional muzzle blast is photoshopped in afterwords. The 7.62mm version of the gun is not that heavy, less than 50 pounds - about 20Kg. I started out in the military as an aircraft electrician assigned to a unit flying UH-1D gunships. The guns had to be mounted before flying out to the ranges. I could carry lift it one-handed. * There's really no where you could hold on to it while it's firing. From: eckinator From what I heard he was the only one on the set who was able to lift it. Even the XM214 is probably too heavy to comfortably operate handheld. I wonder though if a minigun would be more manageable with a proper battery grip and portrait controls ]=) 2010/10/30 John Sessoms : Yeah, that's the one "Ahnold" carries in T2. It's not hand holdable despite what Hollyweird special effects gurus might imply. From: Steven Desjardins or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun Favorite of the the Mythbusters. * note: For safety it was a two-person procedure to mount the gun. One person lifted it into position, using both hands, while another person slipped in the bolt. Usually a team consisting of an armorer & aircraft electrician. Well, not so much a team, as the electricians were out there checking radios and batteries, so we got to do the grunt lifting while the armorers got to do the glamorous bits. Otherwise I was only involved if they hooked up the power connector and the gun wouldn't spin up when they tested. All I had to do then was verify there was 24VDC available on the correct pins. If not, that bird wasn't going to fly that day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5
>From what I heard he was the only one on the set who was able to lift it. Even the XM214 is probably too heavy to comfortably operate handheld. I wonder though if a minigun would be more manageable with a proper battery grip and portrait controls ]=) 2010/10/30 John Sessoms : > Yeah, that's the one "Ahnold" carries in T2. It's not hand holdable despite > what Hollyweird special effects gurus might imply. > > > From: Steven Desjardins >> >> or this: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun >> >> Favorite of the the Mythbusters. >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM, eckinator wrote: >>> >>> > 2010/10/29 Doug Franklin : > > >>> > >>> most submachines don't go that long on a full clip ]=) >> >> Most submachine guns do better than 7 rounds per second, too. ;-) >>> >>> > >>> > perhaps a gatling camera would do the trick? not hand cranked of >>> > course; I was thinking more along the lines of T2 minicam... > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5
Yeah, that's the one "Ahnold" carries in T2. It's not hand holdable despite what Hollyweird special effects gurus might imply. From: Steven Desjardins or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun Favorite of the the Mythbusters. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM, eckinator wrote: > 2010/10/29 Doug Franklin : >>> >>> most submachines don't go that long on a full clip ]=) >> >> Most submachine guns do better than 7 rounds per second, too. ;-) > > perhaps a gatling camera would do the trick? not hand cranked of > course; I was thinking more along the lines of T2 minicam... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
I'll still take Kari: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KmAOtkKf00 I could watch her wreak destruction all day. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:12 PM, eckinator wrote: > 2010/10/29 Steven Desjardins : >> or this: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun >> >> Favorite of the the Mythbusters. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwmi1sdWtNM > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
On 29 October 2010 17:20, Tim Øsleby wrote: > Most likely they where rushing to get the camera "ready" for Photokina. > > -- > MaritimTim > > http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ I just spoke to Ned at PhotoPlus Expo and he said the engineers had "messed up the software", and when they realised the problem they went back and fixed it; he said it was the first thing on their list of stuff to fix and they (Pentax) were anxious to sort it out ASAP. --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
2010/10/29 Steven Desjardins : > or this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun > > Favorite of the the Mythbusters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwmi1sdWtNM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
2010/10/29 Steven Desjardins : > or this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun pretty much what I meant by T(erminator)2 (style) mini(gun)cam =] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun Favorite of the the Mythbusters. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM, eckinator wrote: > 2010/10/29 Doug Franklin : >>> >>> most submachines don't go that long on a full clip ]=) >> >> Most submachine guns do better than 7 rounds per second, too. ;-) > > perhaps a gatling camera would do the trick? not hand cranked of > course; I was thinking more along the lines of T2 minicam... > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Notice they specify the increased buffer at ISO 100. I wonder what happens > to that buffer at ISO 1600... I was thinking maybe they used to keep uncompressed data in the buffer, but upgraded it to buffer the losslessly compressed data instead. That would explain why the buffer size depends on ISO; noisy high-ISO images do not compress as well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
Notice they specify the increased buffer at ISO 100. I wonder what happens to that buffer at ISO 1600... On 10/29/2010 5:20 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Most likely they where rushing to get the camera "ready" for Photokina. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/10/29 Peter Loveday: http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/announce/20101029.html Interesting. That's some pretty inefficient buffer usage in the current version if they can do that. What on earth are they doing. - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
Most likely they where rushing to get the camera "ready" for Photokina. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/10/29 Peter Loveday : >> http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/announce/20101029.html > > Interesting. That's some pretty inefficient buffer usage in the current > version if they can do that. What on earth are they doing. > > - Peter > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/announce/20101029.html Interesting. That's some pretty inefficient buffer usage in the current version if they can do that. What on earth are they doing. - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
From: eckinator 2010/10/29 Doug Franklin : > > Well, that helps a lot. ?That gets you up to nearly 3 seconds in machine gun > mode. most submachines don't go that long on a full clip ]=) Actually, the M1928A1 had a a 600RPM cyclic rate and would take just about 3 sec to empty a 30 round mag. M2HB, although it's not a submachine gun, has a 450 - 575RPM cyclic rate, and would get about 5 sec off a 50 round belt. You could probably set it down to 20 rounds in 3 sec at the lower end of that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
2010/10/29 Doug Franklin : >> >> most submachines don't go that long on a full clip ]=) > > Most submachine guns do better than 7 rounds per second, too. ;-) perhaps a gatling camera would do the trick? not hand cranked of course; I was thinking more along the lines of T2 minicam... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
On 2010-10-29 9:13, eckinator wrote: 2010/10/29 Doug Franklin: Well, that helps a lot. That gets you up to nearly 3 seconds in machine gun mode. most submachines don't go that long on a full clip ]=) Most submachine guns do better than 7 rounds per second, too. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
That's more than enough for me. I'm pleased. On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-10-29 8:30, Thibouille wrote: Official... http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/announce/20101029.html Well, that helps a lot. That gets you up to nearly 3 seconds in machine gun mode. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
2010/10/29 Doug Franklin : > > Well, that helps a lot. That gets you up to nearly 3 seconds in machine gun > mode. most submachines don't go that long on a full clip ]=) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Firmware update] 20 RAW buffer comming soon to K-5 :)
On 2010-10-29 8:30, Thibouille wrote: Official... http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/announce/20101029.html Well, that helps a lot. That gets you up to nearly 3 seconds in machine gun mode. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Firmware Update for istDs
On Jul 19, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Saturday I was using a friend's istDs, and the pics just arrived here on a CD. The EXIF info shows that the firmware (the software that runs the camera) is version 1.0. Is there a newer version? What changes/ benefits does it offer? The latest firmware is v1.02. The published improvements are an improvement in green channel noise at very long exposure times (v1.01) and support for SD card volumes greater than 1G in size (v1.02). I have the impression that v1.02 also improved exposure calibration a tiny bit, but that's only a suspicion... See http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/show_firmware?firmId=3 Godfrey
Re: Firmware update for *istD on the end of january
Brendan mused: > > This is very good news in one way, I do hope that they > also put .dng support directly in the camera as well ( > damn .pef files are just to big! ). Pentax is known to > have passed on the white papers on thier raw format to > Adobe, one can hope! Either way with Pentax supporting > the *istD still ( also I hope for some of the > improvements the Ds got in it's firmware ). I do not believe Pentax would change the RAW format in an existing camera; that would lead to too many problems. We might see some of the *ist-DS features show up (I'd like to see the instant histogram review; off-hand I can't remember what other capabilities the *ist-DS introduced). Judging from some posts made on the Adobe forums, I'm not sure that the Adobe DNG developers do know anything about the Pentax RAW format. But they wouldn't have to - to get DNG support into a Pentax camera wouldn't involve Adobe.
Re: Firmware update for *istD on the end of january
This is very good news in one way, I do hope that they also put .dng support directly in the camera as well ( damn .pef files are just to big! ). Pentax is known to have passed on the white papers on thier raw format to Adobe, one can hope! Either way with Pentax supporting the *istD still ( also I hope for some of the improvements the Ds got in it's firmware ). --- Rüdiger Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Same Info came from also from Pentax Germany. At > that time the Pentax > Browser 2.0 and Lab 2.0 will be made available for > the *istD users. At that > time the update for the *istD will also be avaible. > I do not know if the update will make more than the > compability for the > *istD to the new Browser and Lab. > > Go to know that there is still support for the > *istD. > > regards > Rüdiger > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Sam Jost" > > Hi folks, > > > > a representative of Pentax wrote me a mail saying > there will be a firmware > > update for the *istD sometime at the end of > january. It will be announced > in > > the news of Pentax homepage when in is available. > > > > I don't know what stuff they will adress in the > firmware other then the > > writing speed on CF cards (that went abysmally > down in the 1.10 update - > > yes, the 1.00 firmware did write way faster then > the new ones). > > > > And some general thing: a firmware update is never > 'a simple thing' - > > changing software embedded in hardware must be > made very careful and be > > tested a lot, you won't want a software update to > damage everybodys *istD > on > > some strange setting, do you? > > > > Happy Christmas! > > Sam > > > > __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Firmware update for *istD on the end of january
Same Info came from also from Pentax Germany. At that time the Pentax Browser 2.0 and Lab 2.0 will be made available for the *istD users. At that time the update for the *istD will also be avaible. I do not know if the update will make more than the compability for the *istD to the new Browser and Lab. Go to know that there is still support for the *istD. regards Rüdiger - Original Message - From: "Sam Jost" > Hi folks, > > a representative of Pentax wrote me a mail saying there will be a firmware > update for the *istD sometime at the end of january. It will be announced in > the news of Pentax homepage when in is available. > > I don't know what stuff they will adress in the firmware other then the > writing speed on CF cards (that went abysmally down in the 1.10 update - > yes, the 1.00 firmware did write way faster then the new ones). > > And some general thing: a firmware update is never 'a simple thing' - > changing software embedded in hardware must be made very careful and be > tested a lot, you won't want a software update to damage everybodys *istD on > some strange setting, do you? > > Happy Christmas! > Sam >
Re: Firmware update for *istD on the end of january
Hi Peter, The writing speed loss came with the update from 1.00 to 1.10, so going back from 1.11 to 1.10 won't help. Anyway, since it should be fixed in a month I wouldn't bother downdating your firmware. I didn't even check the CDs coming with my *istD to see if there is a 1.00 firmware somewhere in there. I don't have exact numbers how much slower it got, would estimate 30% with a fast CF (raw of course). As far as I know the problem is not widely known and not been discussed much. I didnt expect this problem on firmware update, otherwise I would have made more speed tests before updating. I will test speed with my three kinds of cards (ol'e kingston, Ultra II and Lexar 80x) when the update is there to compare the next firmware update to 1.11 and post my results. We will see a lot of updates next month, Pentax Laboratory & Browser 2.0 is announced for download in january, too. happy christmas, Sam - Original Message - From: "Peter Fang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: Firmware update for *istD on the end of january Hi Sam, Greetings from Beijing, China. I am a Pentax user of around twenty years and I regularly read PDML postings although I haven't posted any messages to the list yet. As an *ist D user, I was intrigued to see your message regarding the upcoming new firmware in late Jan. 2005. It's interesting to read that it will address CF card writing speed problems. I use Lexar 32X and 40X CF cards on my *ist D and I wonder how big the difference is in writing to card between 1.00 and 1.1x. Personally I have not experienced any significant difference since upgraded to 1.10 and then 1.11. Is this problem widely known and discussed before? I have a backup 1.10 firmware file lying around and if the difference is huge maybe it's worth the trouble to roll back to 1.00 and test it myself. Just curious. Thanks! Peter Fang -- Best regards, Peter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Used *istD prices (was: RE: firmware update)
Hi! C> Okay, here's the prediction. Someone copy and paste this. C> Rough average 'going rate' on eBay for used Pentax *ist D(original), body C> only, in exc++ or mint- in January 2006: C> UK: £550 C> US: $600 C> Book em, Danno. Half that figure would be a little steep. I think $200 would be a good price. Boris
Re: Used *istD prices (was: RE: firmware update)
On 9 Jan 2004 at 19:11, Cotty wrote: > Okay, here's the prediction. Someone copy and paste this. > > Rough average 'going rate' on eBay for used Pentax *ist D(original), body > only, in exc++ or mint- in January 2006: > > UK: £550 > US: $600 Not a great deal if they are still selling off old stock for US$650 new :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: firmware update
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" Subject: RE: firmware update > Does this mean that future Pentax DSLRs may fully support > K/M lenses for a while? Rhetorical. I still hope so. I doubt if I would buy another digital SLR unless it does offer full K/M support. OTOH, I doubted if I would buy an ist D. I think I was the one that called it a one legged whore or some such. William Robb
Used *istD prices (was: RE: firmware update)
This would be really good for many folks on the list. While the *istD may not fall in
the "toughest {Pentax" category, a 2-3 year old one will still be a perfectly good
camera in many cases. In addition, 6 MP is "good enough" for many folks. And a used
*ist D may be better than a new Baby D, except possibly for absolute resolution.
Rough average 'going rate' on eBay for used Pentax *ist D(original), body
only, in exc++ or mint- in January 2006:
UK: £550
US: $600
Book em, Danno.
Re: firmware update
Why does it matter to you, Christian? ;-) keith whaley Christian wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > It will be a very interesting time in the next 2 years, perhaps even more > > interesting than the last 2. The flight has left the ground and is still > > climbing. We want to know where it's going to level out and when the > > drinks are served. LOL. > > > > Why does everything lead to alcohol with you, Cotty? ;-) > > Christian
Re: firmware update
Cotty wrote: > > On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >Hey Cotts, > > > >Come back and join the gang. > > > > > >Ziggy > > My dear Ziggo, > > I never left. I still have a pair of MXs and a 3 Pentax lenses, one of > which I use often ;-) > > If you mean that I could sell up the Canon stuff and get an *ist D, I > can't. The financial loss would be too great to stomach - as purchasers > of the *ist D will find out. Besides, it was a very considered decision > and I have no regrets. Envy, but no regrets. I'm happy where I'm at. > > I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-) "Name that tune!" keith whaley > Cheers, > Cotty
RE: firmware update
Does this mean that future Pentax DSLRs may fully support K/M lenses for a while? Rhetorical. J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com
Used *istD prices (was: RE: firmware update)
On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >> I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-) > >You really think so? My *ist D is destined to be my "second" body. Okay, here's the prediction. Someone copy and paste this. Rough average 'going rate' on eBay for used Pentax *ist D(original), body only, in exc++ or mint- in January 2006: UK: £550 US: $600 Book em, Danno. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: firmware update
- Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It will be a very interesting time in the next 2 years, perhaps even more > interesting than the last 2. The flight has left the ground and is still > climbing. We want to know where it's going to level out and when the > drinks are served. LOL. > Why does everything lead to alcohol with you, Cotty? ;-) Christian
RE: firmware update
On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >"I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-)" > >The real competition at the low end for new impecunious digital users? Steve, I think any current 6MP camera will be less than half it's original purchase price after 24 months. Maybe even less. I suppose it depends on where they're going with sensor resolution. If the place to be is 10MP in 18 months, then 6MPs (DSLRs) will fall fast. If on the other hand it's all happening at 8MP, then 6 doesn't seem so bad and that will help keep used prices up. I think the vast majority of buyers look at the MP number. I did - I knew 6 was my lower limit, not 3. It is quite possible that things will hold at 6 MP for some time, with other advances coming along, like better processing and larger buffers. Who wants a 6MP camera that kaks after 4 shots (300D)? Entry level, sure, but that sucks! It will be a very interesting time in the next 2 years, perhaps even more interesting than the last 2. The flight has left the ground and is still climbing. We want to know where it's going to level out and when the drinks are served. LOL. Ramblings, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: firmware update
On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >I know that you never left. Just a wind up. I'm glad that you still have the >MXs, great camera. I nearly went your way but now same as you, digital, will >never go back. Left with an LX, MZ£ and MZS. And so do you plan on keeping those cameras? BTW - which one is the middle one above - the typo? If i were you I'd keep the LX and bin the rest ;- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: firmware update
On 9 Jan 2004 at 15:36, Cotty wrote: > I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-) You really think so? My *ist D is destined to be my "second" body. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: firmware update
"I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-)" The real competition at the low end for new impecunious digital users? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: firmware update
Cotts, I know that you never left. Just a wind up. I'm glad that you still have the MXs, great camera. I nearly went your way but now same as you, digital, will never go back. Left with an LX, MZ£ and MZS. We have a monthly competition at work, winner picks subject, all vote, all nice and friendly just like PUG. Had to take pictures of Coke cans, left it until one day before submission, yesterday. Got some coke from the super market, on my desk, out with the D on tripod, seventy raw shots later, about forty minutes, loaded on my pc and processed. Could never have done that with film, one very happy bunny. Regards, Ziggy -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2004 15:36 To: pentax list Subject: RE: firmware update On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Hey Cotts, > >Come back and join the gang. > > >Ziggy My dear Ziggo, I never left. I still have a pair of MXs and a 3 Pentax lenses, one of which I use often ;-) If you mean that I could sell up the Canon stuff and get an *ist D, I can't. The financial loss would be too great to stomach - as purchasers of the *ist D will find out. Besides, it was a very considered decision and I have no regrets. Envy, but no regrets. I'm happy where I'm at. I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: firmware update
On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Hey Cotts, > >Come back and join the gang. > > >Ziggy My dear Ziggo, I never left. I still have a pair of MXs and a 3 Pentax lenses, one of which I use often ;-) If you mean that I could sell up the Canon stuff and get an *ist D, I can't. The financial loss would be too great to stomach - as purchasers of the *ist D will find out. Besides, it was a very considered decision and I have no regrets. Envy, but no regrets. I'm happy where I'm at. I'll pick up a used *ist D in 2 years for a song ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: firmware update
Hey Cotts, Come back and join the gang. Ziggy -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 January 2004 15:13 To: pentax list Subject: Re: firmware update On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >I walked right into that one, didn't I :-) Let's put it this way - would you like a band-aid? Actually, I am secretly very envious now and I have to say that if I had some spare money, I would actually be swayed into picking up an *ist D as a another body! Having 2 camera systems isn't uncommon, but in the same format if you can call it that)? Seriously. Cheers, Cotty
Re: firmware update
I walked right into that one, didn't I :-) Bill - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: Re: firmware update > Hey Bill, I'm eating. Right after I go take a few shots with USM and IS > > > ;-) > > > >Yeah, C and N users, eat your hearts out! 8-) > > > >> Ain't that a kick! > >> > >> Bill Owens wrote: > >> > >> > Seems to me that the ist D is now basically compatible with all past > >lenses. > >> > > >> > Bill > >> > >> > > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps > _ > Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk > >
C***n [Was: Re: firmware update]
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Cotty wrote: > Hey Bill, I'm eating. Right after I go take a few shots with USM and IS Did you add these to the 50/1.2 or are you using the Takumar (which always came with these)? :-) I am also wondering (genuinely this time) how much the motors built into the Canon lens weigh (perhaps they use more that one type, so perhaps a range would be nice). Kostas
Re: firmware update
Hey Bill, I'm eating. Right after I go take a few shots with USM and IS ;-) >Yeah, C and N users, eat your hearts out! 8-) > >> Ain't that a kick! >> >> Bill Owens wrote: >> >> > Seems to me that the ist D is now basically compatible with all past >lenses. >> > >> > Bill >> >> Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: firmware update
Yeah, C and N users, eat your hearts out! 8-) > Ain't that a kick! > > Bill Owens wrote: > > > Seems to me that the ist D is now basically compatible with all past lenses. > > > > Bill > >
Re: firmware update
Ain't that a kick! Bill Owens wrote: > Seems to me that the ist D is now basically compatible with all past lenses. > > Bill
