RE: full frame rumours and innuendo
#290223030265 check out this rare PENTAX NED camera on ebay! lol jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Correction : Pentax NED Camera : WAS RE: full frame rumours and innuendo
#290223030265 check out this rare PENTAX NED camera on ebay! lol jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Correction : Pentax NED Camera : WAS RE: full frame rumours and innuendo
Better yet check out the SMC PENTAX 50MM 1:2 ZOOM LENS. Rare piece of kit indeed. Cheers, Dave On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:15 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #290223030265 check out this rare PENTAX NED camera on ebay! lol jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Har! I had that...I didn't know that's how to read it :-D On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:59 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #290223030265 check out this rare PENTAX NED camera on ebay! lol jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Correction : Pentax NED Camera : WAS RE: full frame rumours and innuendo
Oh my god! Now THAT is funny! #290223030265 check out this rare PENTAX NED camera on ebay! lol jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Correction : Pentax NED Camera : WAS RE: full frame rumours and innuendo
Don't forget the INNER DIGITAL LED LIGHT METER How did we ever live with out them? Cheers Mike On Apr 16, 2008, at 3:15 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: #290223030265 check out this rare PENTAX NED camera on ebay! lol jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: full frame rumours and innuendo
You don't believe in the decicive moment, I take it? Regards, Lucas. Op Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:52:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ALL LENSES METER ON ALL DSLRS, JUST SHOOT AND ADJUST TILL YOU GET A GOOD HISTO. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras arere-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: full frame rumours and innuendo
yes I do, but you can to the process below and THEN be ready for the decisive moment. IF your light is fluctuationing badly its poor photographic conditions anyway. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo You don't believe in the decicive moment, I take it? Regards, Lucas. Op Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:52:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ALL LENSES METER ON ALL DSLRS, JUST SHOOT AND ADJUST TILL YOU GET A GOOD HISTO. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras arere-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Op Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:36:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yes I do, but you can to the process below and THEN be ready for the decisive moment. Agreed. I did that on the MX as well. Not that it doesn't meter, but I simply couldn't set it quickly enough :o) IF your light is fluctuationing badly its poor photographic conditions anyway. Hmm, not sure. For instance, I like the light just before or after a rainstorm, especially at dusk. I am quite happy my lenses do meter in those circumstances. Regards, Lucas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo You don't believe in the decicive moment, I take it? Regards, Lucas. Op Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:52:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ALL LENSES METER ON ALL DSLRS, JUST SHOOT AND ADJUST TILL YOU GET A GOOD HISTO. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras arere-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: full frame rumours and innuendo
thats not (rapid)fluctuating light, thats unusual light. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:45 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Op Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:36:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yes I do, but you can to the process below and THEN be ready for the decisive moment. Agreed. I did that on the MX as well. Not that it doesn't meter, but I simply couldn't set it quickly enough :o) IF your light is fluctuationing badly its poor photographic conditions anyway. Hmm, not sure. For instance, I like the light just before or after a rainstorm, especially at dusk. I am quite happy my lenses do meter in those circumstances. Regards, Lucas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo You don't believe in the decicive moment, I take it? Regards, Lucas. Op Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:52:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ALL LENSES METER ON ALL DSLRS, JUST SHOOT AND ADJUST TILL YOU GET A GOOD HISTO. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras arere-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Op Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:25:40 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: thats not (rapid)fluctuating light, thats unusual light. It fluctuates rapidly enough to make trial and error or bracketing practically impossible, I think. And about unusual: that depends on where you live, I guess... Regards, Lucas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:45 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Op Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:36:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yes I do, but you can to the process below and THEN be ready for the decisive moment. Agreed. I did that on the MX as well. Not that it doesn't meter, but I simply couldn't set it quickly enough :o) IF your light is fluctuationing badly its poor photographic conditions anyway. Hmm, not sure. For instance, I like the light just before or after a rainstorm, especially at dusk. I am quite happy my lenses do meter in those circumstances. Regards, Lucas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo You don't believe in the decicive moment, I take it? Regards, Lucas. Op Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:52:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ALL LENSES METER ON ALL DSLRS, JUST SHOOT AND ADJUST TILL YOU GET A GOOD HISTO. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras arere-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: full frame rumours and innuendo
I dont know about you but I spend far more time conceptualizing and choosing lens/composition and photographic position than I ever would figuring out the exposure for about 99 percent of my photos.. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:09 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Op Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:25:40 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: thats not (rapid)fluctuating light, thats unusual light. It fluctuates rapidly enough to make trial and error or bracketing practically impossible, I think. And about unusual: that depends on where you live, I guess... Regards, Lucas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:45 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Op Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:36:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yes I do, but you can to the process below and THEN be ready for the decisive moment. Agreed. I did that on the MX as well. Not that it doesn't meter, but I simply couldn't set it quickly enough :o) IF your light is fluctuationing badly its poor photographic conditions anyway. Hmm, not sure. For instance, I like the light just before or after a rainstorm, especially at dusk. I am quite happy my lenses do meter in those circumstances. Regards, Lucas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Rijnders Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo You don't believe in the decicive moment, I take it? Regards, Lucas. Op Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:52:14 +0200 schreef J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ALL LENSES METER ON ALL DSLRS, JUST SHOOT AND ADJUST TILL YOU GET A GOOD HISTO. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras arere-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ciao, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: full frame rumours and innuendo
Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13/4/08, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed: ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo Probably. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would be be surprised if they weren't investigating a full-frame sensor design. But if their design study is as preliminary as this article makes it sound, a camera would be at least a couple of years away. I think we can expect one eventually but not this year or next year. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Derby Chang wrote: ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_ news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think I'll filter the rest of these to the trash... This discussion has been done to death. Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's simply not true. Manual focus glass is very definitely popular amongst some groups of photogs, some of whom, like myself, were recently new to Pentax. MF lenses were the first things I bought both times I've bought into the Pentax system in the last 3 years. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Argument 1 is incorrect. The economics of cropped sensors will see them continue on the low end, and there will be higher-end bodies as cropped sensors have large advantages for certain types of work (Many wildlife shooters prefer them for the greater pixel density). So a market for good cropped glass will remain. I certainly agree that the market for FF lenses will rise in value, which is a real issue for pentax shooters as the really desirable glass is already rare and expensive. This may well drive people to other brands (It was a major factor in my switching back to Nikon). -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: full frame rumours and innuendo
That's simply not true. Manual focus glass is very definitely popular amongst some groups of photogs, some of whom, like myself, were recently new to Pentax. MF lenses were the first things I bought both times I've bought into the Pentax system in the last 3 years. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: full frame rumours and innuendo
What's more, the newest autofocus lenses offer excellent manual focus. The focus ring on the DA* 16-45 is a delight in its smoothness and size. And its throw is more than adequate, although not the equal of manual only lenses. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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YOU MISS MY POINT, FF DSLR WILL CAUSE GOOD PENTAX FF LENSES TO RISE IN VALUE, ESPECIALLY THE MF LENSES THAT CANT BE BOUGHT NEW ANYMORE. PERIOD. NO MATTER WHAT. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Argument 1 is incorrect. The economics of cropped sensors will see them continue on the low end, and there will be higher-end bodies as cropped sensors have large advantages for certain types of work (Many wildlife shooters prefer them for the greater pixel density). So a market for good cropped glass will remain. I certainly agree that the market for FF lenses will rise in value, which is a real issue for pentax shooters as the really desirable glass is already rare and expensive. This may well drive people to other brands (It was a major factor in my switching back to Nikon). -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would like to add that I would bet heavy that if Pentax introduces a full frame DSLR, that they will also introduce a full line of new digital FF lenses to go with it but I would also bet heavy that none of them will be manual focus lenses, hence the value of the good manual focus lenses will go up because there will be a new killer FF camera to use them on jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:37 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: full frame rumours and innuendo YOU MISS MY POINT, FF DSLR WILL CAUSE GOOD PENTAX FF LENSES TO RISE IN VALUE, ESPECIALLY THE MF LENSES THAT CANT BE BOUGHT NEW ANYMORE. PERIOD. NO MATTER WHAT. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Argument 1 is incorrect. The economics of cropped sensors will see them continue on the low end, and there will be higher-end bodies as cropped sensors have large advantages for certain types of work (Many wildlife shooters prefer them for the greater pixel density). So a market for good cropped glass will remain. I certainly agree that the market for FF lenses will rise in value, which is a real issue for pentax shooters as the really desirable glass is already rare and expensive. This may well drive people to other brands (It was a major factor in my switching back to Nikon). -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca
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Pentax representatives have been hinting that a Full Frame ~24mm x ~36mm sensor DSLR would someday be in the offing. Now that all of their major competition is or will be fielding such a beast makes it inevitable, if they wish to remain viable in the, (ah em), 35mm market place. Derby Chang wrote: ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not with their own sensor at least. Paul Stenquist wrote: I would be be surprised if they weren't investigating a full-frame sensor design. But if their design study is as preliminary as this article makes it sound, a camera would be at least a couple of years away. I think we can expect one eventually but not this year or next year. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Derby Chang wrote: ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_ news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I HAVE YET TO MANUALLY FOCUS ANY AF LENS THAT IS AS SMOOTH OR AS PRECISION AS THE BEST PENTAX MANAUL FOCUS LENSES. I NOT SAYING ITS NOT POSSIBLE, BUT THE AF MECHANISM IS GETTING IT THE WAY OF ULTIMATE MF SO TO SPEAK IMHO. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:30 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo What's more, the newest autofocus lenses offer excellent manual focus. The focus ring on the DA* 16-45 is a delight in its smoothness and size. And its throw is more than adequate, although not the equal of manual only lenses. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras are re-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My experience with the local photogs says otherwise. They buy the camera kit lens upgrade to the better non consumer glass. Old MF glass rarely enters into the purchasing decision matrix. Cheers, Dave On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's simply not true. Manual focus glass is very definitely popular amongst some groups of photogs, some of whom, like myself, were recently new to Pentax. MF lenses were the first things I bought both times I've bought into the Pentax system in the last 3 years. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras are re-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras are re-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras are re-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Around here in Toronto,it's the big thing. A lot of serious amateurs are going for the MF primes, especially Nikon users. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My experience with the local photogs says otherwise. They buy the camera kit lens upgrade to the better non consumer glass. Old MF glass rarely enters into the purchasing decision matrix. Cheers, Dave On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's simply not true. Manual focus glass is very definitely popular amongst some groups of photogs, some of whom, like myself, were recently new to Pentax. MF lenses were the first things I bought both times I've bought into the Pentax system in the last 3 years. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If they buy Canon, Sony, (Konica/Minolta), or Nikon and wish to retain TTL metering manual focus lenses are not generally an issue. Since Canon and Nikon between them have about 90% of the DSLR market between, just statistically it's unlikely to be seen as a viable option. It's self fulfilling. David Savage wrote: My experience with the local photogs says otherwise. They buy the camera kit lens upgrade to the better non consumer glass. Old MF glass rarely enters into the purchasing decision matrix. Cheers, Dave On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's simply not true. Manual focus glass is very definitely popular amongst some groups of photogs, some of whom, like myself, were recently new to Pentax. MF lenses were the first things I bought both times I've bought into the Pentax system in the last 3 years. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Which would be the part of your point I was actually agreeing with. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU MISS MY POINT, FF DSLR WILL CAUSE GOOD PENTAX FF LENSES TO RISE IN VALUE, ESPECIALLY THE MF LENSES THAT CANT BE BOUGHT NEW ANYMORE. PERIOD. NO MATTER WHAT. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Argument 1 is incorrect. The economics of cropped sensors will see them continue on the low end, and there will be higher-end bodies as cropped sensors have large advantages for certain types of work (Many wildlife shooters prefer them for the greater pixel density). So a market for good cropped glass will remain. I certainly agree that the market for FF lenses will rise in value, which is a real issue for pentax shooters as the really desirable glass is already rare and expensive. This may well drive people to other brands (It was a major factor in my switching back to Nikon). -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML
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Not exactly a budget option if you need a particular lens for occasional use to supplement your primary kit. Adam Maas wrote: Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras are re-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David Savage wrote: My experience with the local photogs says otherwise. They buy the camera kit lens upgrade to the better non consumer glass. Old MF glass rarely enters into the purchasing decision matrix. Yeah, Dave. But you're not talking about the enthusiast segment of the market. ...you're talking about the other 99%. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Savage wrote: My experience with the local photogs says otherwise. They buy the camera kit lens upgrade to the better non consumer glass. Old MF glass rarely enters into the purchasing decision matrix. Yeah, Dave. But you're not talking about the enthusiast segment of the market. ...you're talking about the other 99%. ;-) 90%, most of whom buy no more than 2-3 lenses ever. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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All Canon and Sony bodies will TTL meter with MF lenses mounted via adaptors. Nikon's higher-end bodies (D200 and up) do as well. Canon 5D's are particularly popular with the MF set as they make a great Digital platform for Contax/Yashica and Leica R shooters. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they buy Canon, Sony, (Konica/Minolta), or Nikon and wish to retain TTL metering manual focus lenses are not generally an issue. Since Canon and Nikon between them have about 90% of the DSLR market between, just statistically it's unlikely to be seen as a viable option. It's self fulfilling. David Savage wrote: My experience with the local photogs says otherwise. They buy the camera kit lens upgrade to the better non consumer glass. Old MF glass rarely enters into the purchasing decision matrix. Cheers, Dave On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's simply not true. Manual focus glass is very definitely popular amongst some groups of photogs, some of whom, like myself, were recently new to Pentax. MF lenses were the first things I bought both times I've bought into the Pentax system in the last 3 years. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps lenses are simply not going to be very desireable when you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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ALL LENSES METER ON ALL DSLRS, JUST SHOOT AND ADJUST TILL YOU GET A GOOD HISTO. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras arere-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML
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On 4/13/08, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. So why aren't you shooting Canon? -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes! I use my dslr in the same way for measuring light when I use my LF camera .-) DagT Den 13. april. 2008 kl. 22.52 skrev J. C. O'Connell: ALL LENSES METER ON ALL DSLRS, JUST SHOOT AND ADJUST TILL YOU GET A GOOD HISTO. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:16 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Some Nikon-mount MF lenses meter on the D40/D60, especially the new Voightlander SLII's. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely unless they wish to relearn the joys of hand held light meters. David Savage wrote: But I suspect they're not buying MF lenses. Cheers, Dave On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rumor has it that a lot of Nikonians buying the D40 an D60 cameras arere-learning the joys of manual focusing, well because they have to. David Savage wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, unless you want a small, weather sealed body, small high-quality primes or fast stabilized lenses, or those wonderful manual focus lenses you love so much. I've shot with Canon, Nikon and Pentax DSLR's. The Canon's were my least favourite. I'd much rather shoot Pentax than Canon. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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You suddenly remind me of why I unsubbed a year ago. If someone did switch to Pentax, what would your statement make them? In my personal opinion your quality judgements are very simplistic. There are lots of reason for choosing Pentax over Canon, like street photography with compact cameras with good wide angle primes. Canon can ´t beat Pentax in that arena. Try finding something like a K10D with DA21, or anything like a cheap 50mm 1.4 (regardless of FOV) with image stabilization. I know a few well informed photographers who have switched for those reasons. In my humble opinion Canon is lost in oldfashioned technology. Nikon is passing them in the sales numbers. DagT Den 13. april. 2008 kl. 22.51 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML
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Frankly, I think the the market is going to skew towards Sony and Samsung. My classes used to be full of people with Canon Rebels and a smattering of Nikons. The last few classes have had about the same number of Nikons, but the Sonys are rapidly displacing the Rebels. Yesterday, I had the first occurance of a class without a single Rebel. All Sony and Nikon. The young folks in my classes are way more familiar with the Sony brand than any of the camera brands we grew up with. I'm guessing not too many years from now we'll be watching a duel between Sony and Samsung. Keep in mind, I'm talking about the consumer market, not the pros. GS http://georgesphotos.net On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, unless you want a small, weather sealed body, small high-quality primes or fast stabilized lenses, or those wonderful manual focus lenses you love so much. I've shot with Canon, Nikon and Pentax DSLR's. The Canon's were my least favourite. I'd much rather shoot Pentax than Canon. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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Den 13. april. 2008 kl. 22.55 skrev Mat Maessen: On 4/13/08, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. So why aren't you shooting Canon? Is he shooting at all? DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sony's got the best deal going right now with the A200. Nikon's D40 is the value leader. The Rebels are either under-spec'd or overpriced (or both in the case of the XTi). I'm not shocked to see Sony and Nikon dominating right now. Samsung has not made a significant play for market share. They're playing Panasonic's game, looking for a strong niche. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 5:17 PM, George Sinos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, I think the the market is going to skew towards Sony and Samsung. My classes used to be full of people with Canon Rebels and a smattering of Nikons. The last few classes have had about the same number of Nikons, but the Sonys are rapidly displacing the Rebels. Yesterday, I had the first occurance of a class without a single Rebel. All Sony and Nikon. The young folks in my classes are way more familiar with the Sony brand than any of the camera brands we grew up with. I'm guessing not too many years from now we'll be watching a duel between Sony and Samsung. Keep in mind, I'm talking about the consumer market, not the pros. GS http://georgesphotos.net On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, unless you want a small, weather sealed body, small high-quality primes or fast stabilized lenses, or those wonderful manual focus lenses you love so much. I've shot with Canon, Nikon and Pentax DSLR's. The Canon's were my least favourite. I'd much rather shoot Pentax than Canon. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From
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In my opinion, Sony, Nikon and Pentax are the three go-to brands right now, short of the full-on pro bodies. Sony for bang/buck (A200) or best ergonomics( A700), Nikon for cheapest (D40), best sub-$1K (D80) and highest performance (D300), Pentax for best compact kit and best foul weather kit (K20D with DA Limiteds or DA*'s respectively). -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 5:17 PM, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You suddenly remind me of why I unsubbed a year ago. If someone did switch to Pentax, what would your statement make them? In my personal opinion your quality judgements are very simplistic. There are lots of reason for choosing Pentax over Canon, like street photography with compact cameras with good wide angle primes. Canon can ´t beat Pentax in that arena. Try finding something like a K10D with DA21, or anything like a cheap 50mm 1.4 (regardless of FOV) with image stabilization. I know a few well informed photographers who have switched for those reasons. In my humble opinion Canon is lost in oldfashioned technology. Nikon is passing them in the sales numbers. DagT Den 13. april. 2008 kl. 22.51 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from
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On 13/4/08, DagT, discombobulated, unleashed: In my personal opinion your quality judgements are very simplistic. [about JCO] Mark! Only seeing attributions as I binned jco last year. Suggest you do the same dag. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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DagT wrote: Den 13. april. 2008 kl. 22.55 skrev Mat Maessen: On 4/13/08, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. So why aren't you shooting Canon? Is he shooting at all? Game, set and match to Dag T! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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BECAUSE I AM ALREADY HEAVILY INTO PENTAX LONG BEFORE DIGITAL EVEN EXISTED. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mat Maessen Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:56 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo On 4/13/08, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. So why aren't you shooting Canon? -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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PRESENTLY ALL WORK (EBAY) AND NO FUN. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Den 13. april. 2008 kl. 22.55 skrev Mat Maessen: On 4/13/08, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. So why aren't you shooting Canon? Is he shooting at all? DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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YES BUT WITH PENTAX YOU HAVE TO WAIT YEARS FOR THEM TO CATCH UP AND I DONT THINK CANON IS SHORT OF ANY GOOD LENSES COMPARED TO PENTAX, THEY HAVE TONS OF NICE LENSES. JC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Well, unless you want a small, weather sealed body, small high-quality primes or fast stabilized lenses, or those wonderful manual focus lenses you love so much. I've shot with Canon, Nikon and Pentax DSLR's. The Canon's were my least favourite. I'd much rather shoot Pentax than Canon. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONESTHAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSESTO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERSWHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions
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CANON HAS THE MOST ADVANCED LENS MOUNT OF ALL BECAUASE THEY DIDNT TRY TO REMAIN COMPATIBLE WHEN THEY WENT AF, THEY STARTED FROM SCRATCH AND IT SHOWS... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo You suddenly remind me of why I unsubbed a year ago. If someone did switch to Pentax, what would your statement make them? In my personal opinion your quality judgements are very simplistic. There are lots of reason for choosing Pentax over Canon, like street photography with compact cameras with good wide angle primes. Canon can ´t beat Pentax in that arena. Try finding something like a K10D with DA21, or anything like a cheap 50mm 1.4 (regardless of FOV) with image stabilization. I know a few well informed photographers who have switched for those reasons. In my humble opinion Canon is lost in oldfashioned technology. Nikon is passing them in the sales numbers. DagT Den 13. april. 2008 kl. 22.51 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca
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Start boiling now, it'll be nice and tender when the time comes. On 4/13/08, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/4/08, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed: ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo Probably. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep. And it's added exactly zero functionality. Nikon has the most capable lensmount, as the current revision of the F mount has all of the capabilities of EF mount (As of the D3/D300 introduction which added support for electronically activated apertures) as well as nearly-full backwards compatibility. Note Canon lenses cannot be used reversed with aperture control (Nikon F and Pentax K support this). Advanced and capable aren't necessarily the same thing. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CANON HAS THE MOST ADVANCED LENS MOUNT OF ALL BECAUASE THEY DIDNT TRY TO REMAIN COMPATIBLE WHEN THEY WENT AF, THEY STARTED FROM SCRATCH AND IT SHOWS... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo You suddenly remind me of why I unsubbed a year ago. If someone did switch to Pentax, what would your statement make them? In my personal opinion your quality judgements are very simplistic. There are lots of reason for choosing Pentax over Canon, like street photography with compact cameras with good wide angle primes. Canon can ´t beat Pentax in that arena. Try finding something like a K10D with DA21, or anything like a cheap 50mm 1.4 (regardless of FOV) with image stabilization. I know a few well informed photographers who have switched for those reasons. In my humble opinion Canon is lost in oldfashioned technology. Nikon is passing them in the sales numbers. DagT Den 13. april. 2008 kl. 22.51 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derby Chang Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo ...but probably inevitable http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news
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Canon has no wides which can compete with either the A or FA 20/2.8's or the DA 21 Limited, no good 28mm design (both the 28/2.8 and 28/1.8 USM's are mediocre to bad), their 50's other than the extremely expensive 50 f1.2L are average at best (and the Canon 50mm f1.4 USM is both nearly twice the cost as the FA 50mm f1.4 and twice the size) and Canon offers no decent quality consumer normal zoom for digital (Pentax offers the excellent 16-45, Canon's 17-85 IS's only real advantage over the kit 18-55 is range and IS, their new IS 18-55 kit lens is optically better). Canon offers some superb lenses, but they're very weak on wides in particular. Pentax offers far less lenses, but also offers effectively no poor performers. Even Pentax's two kit lenses are notably better than average. Outside of the L series, Canon only offers a few good lenses. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 6:14 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES BUT WITH PENTAX YOU HAVE TO WAIT YEARS FOR THEM TO CATCH UP AND I DONT THINK CANON IS SHORT OF ANY GOOD LENSES COMPARED TO PENTAX, THEY HAVE TONS OF NICE LENSES. JC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Well, unless you want a small, weather sealed body, small high-quality primes or fast stabilized lenses, or those wonderful manual focus lenses you love so much. I've shot with Canon, Nikon and Pentax DSLR's. The Canon's were my least favourite. I'd much rather shoot Pentax than Canon. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONESTHAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSESTO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERSWHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message
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canons got a bigger @[EMAIL PROTECTED] Read that as THROAT. Faster lenses are possible. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:56 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo Yep. And it's added exactly zero functionality. Nikon has the most capable lensmount, as the current revision of the F mount has all of the capabilities of EF mount (As of the D3/D300 introduction which added support for electronically activated apertures) as well as nearly-full backwards compatibility. Note Canon lenses cannot be used reversed with aperture control (Nikon F and Pentax K support this). Advanced and capable aren't necessarily the same thing. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CANON HAS THE MOST ADVANCED LENS MOUNT OF ALL BECAUASE THEY DIDNT TRY TO REMAIN COMPATIBLE WHEN THEY WENT AF, THEY STARTED FROM SCRATCH AND IT SHOWS... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo You suddenly remind me of why I unsubbed a year ago. If someone did switch to Pentax, what would your statement make them? In my personal opinion your quality judgements are very simplistic. There are lots of reason for choosing Pentax over Canon, like street photography with compact cameras with good wide angle primes. Canon can ´t beat Pentax in that arena. Try finding something like a K10D with DA21, or anything like a cheap 50mm 1.4 (regardless of FOV) with image stabilization. I know a few well informed photographers who have switched for those reasons. In my humble opinion Canon is lost in oldfashioned technology. Nikon is passing them in the sales numbers. DagT Den 13. april. 2008 kl. 22.51 skrev J. C. O'Connell: I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to pentax, Canon is a better overall system. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from various different places are buying into Pentax these days. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL CAUSE THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED USERS WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. Cheers, Dave. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the apslenses are simply not going to be very desireablewhen you have got a nice FF camera in you hand. Secondly, the other half of my statement was that the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX lenses hold their value even after FF arrives. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur cameras will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're obviously not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even somewhat distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm sure a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. jco -Original Message- From
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David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no matter how good they are. There are exceptions. I'm not entirely new, but haven't owned a Pentax since my ME was stolen years ago. My main reason for preferring Pentax over other brands is the range of good used lenses available. Nobody else is even close; 4/3 can take more lenses using adapters but does not give stop-down metering. An M8 or RD-1 takes lots of lenses, but are not priced well. I'm an amateur on a budget. Being able to pick up lenses I'd like to have but will not use often, for me anything longer than 100 or any fisheye, is a great attraction to a system. -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
