Re: google + and photography
On 7/6/11 3:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. That's pretty much the same as all the online photo sharing and social networks. Tempest in a teapot: http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=327 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
On Thursday, July 7, 2011, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: On 7/6/11 3:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. That's pretty much the same as all the online photo sharing and social networks. Tempest in a teapot: http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=327 Well that sure was a conversation killer. Next topic! --sam -- --- Sam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
I know that my personal site has mostly images I've taken from the PDML. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Sam L samthegr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, July 7, 2011, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: On 7/6/11 3:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. That's pretty much the same as all the online photo sharing and social networks. Tempest in a teapot: http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=327 Well that sure was a conversation killer. Next topic! --sam -- --- Sam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
On 6 July 2011 20:23, Larry Colen wrote: http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. The short form is that if you post something to google+, they get to do what they want with it, without paying you. I haven't looked into the google+ photo sharing at any depth yet. I've got an account and have poked around a bit. The biggest advantages seem to be the user interface for sorting friends into groups (or circles) so that you can select who to share with, and that it isn't facebook. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est If I was going to worry about anything in the agreement, it would be the non-reciprocation of limits of liability and the consequential losses that Google would want to claim in the event of default of the user. I'm not going to worry though, as they would constitute an unfair contract in UK consumer law so the whole thing would cave in... So far as hosting images is concerned, I'll say it over and over - if you're worried, get yourself a couple of gigabytes of web space and do it yourself. You can always point at it from any messages on social networking sites. Chris Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:47 +0100, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: On 6 July 2011 20:23, Larry Colen wrote: http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. The short form is that if you post something to google+, they get to do what they want with it, without paying you. I haven't looked into the google+ photo sharing at any depth yet. I've got an account and have poked around a bit. The biggest advantages seem to be the user interface for sorting friends into groups (or circles) so that you can select who to share with, and that it isn't facebook. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est If I was going to worry about anything in the agreement, it would be the non-reciprocation of limits of liability and the consequential losses that Google would want to claim in the event of default of the user. I'm not going to worry though, as they would constitute an unfair contract in UK consumer law so the whole thing would cave in... So far as hosting images is concerned, I'll say it over and over - if you're worried, get yourself a couple of gigabytes of web space and do it yourself. You can always point at it from any messages on social networking sites. I agree. JAlbum + Dropbox is a cheap (read free) way to do this. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: I agree. JAlbum + Dropbox is a cheap (read free) way to do this. Dropbox just had a similar teapot-tempest (OMG THERE STEELING R PIXTURES!): http://blog.dropbox.com/?p=867 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
From: Chris Mitchell On 6 July 2011 20:23, Larry Colen wrote: http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. The short form is that if you post something to google+, they get to do what they want with it, without paying you. I haven't looked into the google+ photo sharing at any depth yet. ?I've got an account and have poked around a bit. ?The biggest advantages seem to be the user interface for sorting friends into groups (or circles) so that you can select who to share with, and that it isn't facebook. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est If I was going to worry about anything in the agreement, it would be the non-reciprocation of limits of liability and the consequential losses that Google would want to claim in the event of default of the user. I'm not going to worry though, as they would constitute an unfair contract in UK consumer law so the whole thing would cave in... So far as hosting images is concerned, I'll say it over and over - if you're worried, get yourself a couple of gigabytes of web space and do it yourself. You can always point at it from any messages on social networking sites. I have not read the entire document, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a clause somewhere in there that states if any part of it is found to contravene local law, that part is null leaving the rest of the TOS intact. The whole thing would not cave in; just the parts that constitute an unfair contract in UK consumer law. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3748 - Release Date: 07/06/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
On 2011-07-07 19:16, John Sessoms wrote: I have not read the entire document, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a clause somewhere in there that states if any part of it is found to contravene local law, that part is null leaving the rest of the TOS intact. Boilerplate. It's known as the Severability Clause. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
On 11-07-06 3:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. The short form is that if you post something to google+, they get to do what they want with it, without paying you. I haven't looked into the google+ photo sharing at any depth yet. I've got an account and have poked around a bit. The biggest advantages seem to be the user interface for sorting friends into groups (or circles) so that you can select who to share with, and that it isn't facebook. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est To be fair (for a few milliseconds) a large part of that ToS is, of course, to enable them to store your uploaded images and to enable them to be seen by whoever you intended to share them with. Clearly they need to be able to transmit the data to accomplish this and modify would typically be to resize them for thumbnails and recompress them like Facebook does now. However, the lack of a phrase like we will give up any of these rights when you remove the content (like Flickr has) means they are doing the Facebook thing and are therefore just as useless for a photographer to use in any professional capacity. So maybe this will become Facebook 2.0 with all its present limitations and intellectual property rights and privacy concerns. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
I love when bloggers put up these scare tactic articles then wash their hands by saying that they are not lawyers and to seek professional guidance. They get the hits from people who are scared of any corporation taking their stuff, and they don't even need to be right. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. The short form is that if you post something to google+, they get to do what they want with it, without paying you. I haven't looked into the google+ photo sharing at any depth yet. I've got an account and have poked around a bit. The biggest advantages seem to be the user interface for sorting friends into groups (or circles) so that you can select who to share with, and that it isn't facebook. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 11-07-06 3:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. The short form is that if you post something to google+, they get to do what they want with it, without paying you. I haven't looked into the google+ photo sharing at any depth yet. I've got an account and have poked around a bit. The biggest advantages seem to be the user interface for sorting friends into groups (or circles) so that you can select who to share with, and that it isn't facebook. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est To be fair (for a few milliseconds) a large part of that ToS is, of course, to enable them to store your uploaded images and to enable them to be seen by whoever you intended to share them with. Clearly they need to be able to transmit the data to accomplish this and modify would typically be to resize them for thumbnails and recompress them like Facebook does now. And they pretty much say as much. However, the lack of a phrase like we will give up any of these rights when you remove the content (like Flickr has) means they are doing the Facebook thing and are therefore just as useless for a photographer to use in any professional capacity. And, to be fair, their goal is not to become a professional photography site. Their goal, I assume, is to set up a social networking site that makes money, and/or supports other services that enhances their ability to make money. Of course anything any lawyer writes is going to do the best job that they can to say we get everything, you keep nothing. Also, there is undoubtably a huge bookkeeping nightmare to keeping track of the source of any images that they might want to use for any other purpose, or that anyone else clips or copies. So maybe this will become Facebook 2.0 with all its present limitations and intellectual property rights and privacy concerns. I don't think so. It does seem that the employees at Google do have some adult supervision, though perhaps someone like Tim may disagree. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: google + and photography
It ain't so bad - I'm surprised there isn't an indemnification clause that makes the photographer liable to reimburse google for any expenses or liabilities associated with using the photographer's photos. MCC - Original Message From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wed, July 6, 2011 3:23:17 PM Subject: google + and photography http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. The short form is that if you post something to google+, they get to do what they want with it, without paying you. I haven't looked into the google+ photo sharing at any depth yet. I've got an account and have poked around a bit. The biggest advantages seem to be the user interface for sorting friends into groups (or circles) so that you can select who to share with, and that it isn't facebook. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: google + and photography
From: Larry Colen http://photofocus.com/2011/07/06/google-plus-read-the-fine-print-before-you-sign-up/ Makes the good point about read the fine print before you sign up, or post anything. The short form is that if you post something to google+, they get to do what they want with it, without paying you. I haven't looked into the google+ photo sharing at any depth yet. I've got an account and have poked around a bit. The biggest advantages seem to be the user interface for sorting friends into groups (or circles) so that you can select who to share with, and that it isn't facebook. Didn't we just go through this same scare story about Flickr's TOS a couple of months ago and determine it's bullshit from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about? - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3746 - Release Date: 07/05/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
