Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
There are an infinite number countable infinities, of course 8) On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:50:09 -0400, John Francis wrote How many countable infinities are there? On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote: I've always liked the countable infinities. The uncountable ones seem so passe. Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Which infinity? The infinity of natural numbers? The infinity of real numbers? The infinity of human stupidity? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47f5482555067318414559! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- - The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. --- - John Whittingham Technician The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
A quote attributed to Albert Einstein is that the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. For the sake of philosophy I'd be willing to equate limitlessness with infinity in this case. :-) Jostein 2008/4/3 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2008 16:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website I would think it best to restrict something like this to lenses that can be used without an adapter. It might be worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, but I would draw the line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm screwmount lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close to infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because kmp has a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer automatic aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall quality rating greater or equal 4) and a set of permissions with what a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do or not. i think you get a rough idea. Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested in helping me. Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, except the contributor does not want to be mentioned. Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-) with kind regards from Germany, Andreas PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax
Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
Yeah! Chuck Norris counted to infinity. Twice. :D If you add the M42 lens then you should also add the Pentacon Six and Pentax 67 and 645 lens too. There are adapters for 645 made by Pentax, and Pentacon Six lenses are very common to be mounted on any 35mm cam. .t There are an infinite number countable infinities, of course 8) On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:50:09 -0400, John Francis wrote How many countable infinities are there? On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote: I've always liked the countable infinities. The uncountable ones seem so passe. Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Which infinity? The infinity of natural numbers? The infinity of real numbers? The infinity of human stupidity? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47f5482555067318414559! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- - The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. --- - John Whittingham Technician The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
Chuck Norris counted to infinity, twice. Dave On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2008 16:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website I would think it best to restrict something like this to lenses that can be used without an adapter. It might be worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, but I would draw the line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm screwmount lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close to infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because kmp has a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer automatic aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall quality rating greater or equal 4) and a set of permissions with what a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do or not. i think you get a rough idea. Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested in helping me. Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, except the contributor does not want to be mentioned. Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-) with kind regards from Germany, Andreas PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail
Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 42 Are you suggesting coconuts migrate? Not at all. They could be carried. Dave Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website 42 John Francis wrote: How many countable infinities are there? On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote: I've always liked the countable infinities. The uncountable ones seem so passe. Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Which infinity? The infinity of natural numbers? The infinity of real numbers? The infinity of human stupidity? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
Ok so the Leica S mount lenses could only be used a macro distances, but the Canon f0.95 would let in a lot of light! P. J. Alling wrote: Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because kmp has a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer automatic aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall quality rating greater or equal 4) and a set of permissions with what a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do or not. i think you get a rough idea. Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested in helping me. Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, except the contributor does not want to be mentioned. Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-) with kind regards from Germany, Andreas PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because kmp has a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer automatic aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall quality rating greater or equal 4) and a set of permissions with what a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do or not. i think you get a rough idea. Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested in helping me. Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, except the contributor does not want to be mentioned. Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-) with kind regards from Germany, Andreas PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: help needed for new pentax lens website
I would think it best to restrict something like this to lenses that can be used without an adapter. It might be worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, but I would draw the line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm screwmount lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close to infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because kmp has a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer automatic aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall quality rating greater or equal 4) and a set of permissions with what a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do or not. i think you get a rough idea. Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested in helping me. Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, except the contributor does not want to be mentioned. Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-) with kind regards from Germany, Andreas PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: help needed for new pentax lens website
anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2008 16:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website I would think it best to restrict something like this to lenses that can be used without an adapter. It might be worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, but I would draw the line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm screwmount lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close to infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because kmp has a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer automatic aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall quality rating greater or equal 4) and a set of permissions with what a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do or not. i think you get a rough idea. Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested in helping me. Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, except the contributor does not want to be mentioned. Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-) with kind regards from Germany, Andreas PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi P.J., I didn't make myself clear enough it seems (sorry, english is not my native tongue, but i'll try my best). The point is not to have a *complete* list of lenses that in theory can be somehow attached to a pentax body, who would want that anyway? maybe such a list would be historical interesting for one or the other, but it's not my goal. I would like to have everything in there that has still practical relevance (with relevant i mean there are chances to pick one up at the bay, for instance), thats enough for me (and thats mainly k-mount lenses, and maybe some M42s). If someone feels the M35 or something even more exotic needs to be in there as well, he can of course enter them, no problem. Thats the beauty of a database solution ;-) cheers Andreas P. J. Alling wrote: Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) [...] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 April 2008 16:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website I would think it best to restrict something like this to lenses that can be used without an adapter. It might be worthwhile to include m42 Pentax lenses, but I would draw the line there. BTW, although you can fit a Leica 39mm screwmount lens to a Pentax with adapters, it won't focus anywhere close to infinity. It will be macro only. Not exactly useful. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because kmp has a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer automatic aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall quality rating greater or equal 4) and a set of permissions with what a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do or not. i think you get a rough idea. Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested in helping me. Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, except the contributor does not want to be mentioned. Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-) with kind regards from Germany, Andreas PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link
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Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit. They're much more useful than philosophers. Granted, it helps than I'm married to one. Now if only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Bob -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 04:53:07PM +0100, Bob W wrote: anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Bob Well, by definition, if any of the philosophers are out there then it must be possible for something to be close to infinity (as long as a philosopher is included in your definition of anything) Some of the philosophers that I've met are definitely far out. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:27:39PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit. They're much more useful than philosophers. Granted, it helps than I'm married to one. Now if only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head. A mathematician doesn't care what the value of 2+2 is; it's sufficient to show that the answer is unique (and independent of the order in which you take the addends :-). Relating this to things that happen in the real world is a physics problem. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Francis wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:27:39PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit. They're much more useful than philosophers. Granted, it helps than I'm married to one. Now if only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head. A mathematician doesn't care what the value of 2+2 is; it's sufficient to show that the answer is unique (and independent of the order in which you take the addends :-). Relating this to things that happen in the real world is a physics problem. Christie says I like him. She doesn't think very much of me at the moment, though. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But the Zenit M39 lenses can be used (Leica thread with M42/K register) -Adam On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:33 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so the Leica S mount lenses could only be used a macro distances, but the Canon f0.95 would let in a lot of light! P. J. Alling wrote: Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because kmp has a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer automatic aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall quality rating greater or equal 4) and a set of permissions with what a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do or not. i think you get a rough idea. Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested in helping me. Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, except the contributor does not want to be mentioned. Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-) with kind regards from Germany, Andreas PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Desjardins wrote: I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit. They're much more useful than philosophers. Granted, it helps than I'm married to one. Now if only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head. Mathematicians prove things. Addition is left as an exercise for the listener. ;-) Godfrey Mathematician In Absentia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scott, Sure.and the sine of the square root of 1 comes right up any time you ask. Huh? John Graves WA1JG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Loveless wrote: Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. I happen to like mathematicians quite a bit. They're much more useful than philosophers. Granted, it helps than I'm married to one. Now if only I could teach her to add 2+2 in her head. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Graves wrote: Scott, Sure.and the sine of the square root of 1 comes right up any time you ask. Huh? Hold on a sec. I'll ask. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ah, but those are Zenit lenses another kettle of fish altogether. Adam Maas wrote: But the Zenit M39 lenses can be used (Leica thread with M42/K register) -Adam On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:33 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so the Leica S mount lenses could only be used a macro distances, but the Canon f0.95 would let in a lot of light! P. J. Alling wrote: Well you've set yourself an enduring hobby. Any m42 lens and the earlier m37 and c, (video, 8mm(?)), mount), Bessamatic or Kodak Retina IIIS/Reflex with the proper adapter, I think there may even be a Leica S (m39) mount to m42 adapter which opens all of the Leica, and copies such as Canon, (ah think of using a canon f 0.95 50mm), RF lenses, not to forget Pentax 645 and 67 lenses. Then there's the TX T4 Adapall etc. These are just the adapters I know of. The scope is daunting and the number of different lenses is astounding. Andreas Pfotenhauer wrote: Hi everybody, as mentioned in the subject, i need your help :-) I'm in the process of building a website that will hold a database with all lenses usable on Pentax bodies (with preference for the digital ones). I know, there is Bojidar Dimitrov's excellent k-mount web page (and some others), but thats not what i have in mind, because kmp has a pure technical perspective and it is restricted to Pentax lenses, while i would like to cover *all* lens producers that are usable on a Pentax body, and my project will offer more participation for users, it will be possible to rate lenses, add comments, there will be a list of external resources (URLs) pointing to lens reviews users can add to, etc .. somewhat like a Wiki but mostly with structured data (so for example one can easily filter for ultra wide lenses that offer automatic aperture, have a availability rating greater than 3 and a overall quality rating greater or equal 4) and a set of permissions with what a particular type of user(anonymous, registered user,staff,admin) can do or not. i think you get a rough idea. Problem is, this is some amount of data i have to collect and to maintain, thats why the whole thing is database driven which in turn means, no html skills will be necessary to add and maintain data, and I'm optimistic that I'll find sooner or later someone who's interested in helping me. Second Problem is, i don't know 99% of these lenses, and thats why i come to you guys. Getting functional characteristics of a lens (weight, size, focal length, aperture etc) is in most cases no big problem, thanks to google, but what i would like to have are descriptions of the lens, preferably from someone who had it in his hands and did some shots. Pictures of lenses are also very welcome. Of course contributions will be attributed and pictures will have a explicit copyright notice, with a link to the homepage of the contributor or something similar, except the contributor does not want to be mentioned. Website itself is still in alpha stage, so there is no layout and only some sample data, I'm still adding/removing/changing features, but as soon as i enter early beta I'll show you something :-) with kind regards from Germany, Andreas PS: maybe i should mention that this will *not* be a commercial thing, actually i intend to place the whole thing under a Creative Commons 3 Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike License (horrible name ^^), except of course for picture contributors that wish to retain their copyrights. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Scott Loveless wrote: John Francis wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:27:39PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: A mathematician doesn't care what the value of 2+2 is; Relating this to things that happen in the real world is a physics problem. Christie says I like him. She doesn't think very much of me at the moment, though. Actually, applying math to the real world is an applied physics problem. The theoretical physicists are quite as happy as the mathematicians with purely symbolic math. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've always liked the countable infinities. The uncountable ones seem so passe. Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Which infinity? The infinity of natural numbers? The infinity of real numbers? The infinity of human stupidity? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47f5482555067318414559! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Which infinity? The infinity of natural numbers? The infinity of real numbers? The infinity of human stupidity? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve Desjardins wrote: I've always liked the countable infinities. The uncountable ones seem so passe. Well, then, that lets the infinity of human stupidity right out. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How many countable infinities are there? On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote: I've always liked the countable infinities. The uncountable ones seem so passe. Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Which infinity? The infinity of natural numbers? The infinity of real numbers? The infinity of human stupidity? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47f5482555067318414559! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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42 John Francis wrote: How many countable infinities are there? On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote: I've always liked the countable infinities. The uncountable ones seem so passe. Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Which infinity? The infinity of natural numbers? The infinity of real numbers? The infinity of human stupidity? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47f5482555067318414559! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Francis wrote: How many countable infinities are there? I don't know, but I'd guess there's an uncountably infinite number of them. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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An infinite number, you can count them all you want... John Francis wrote: How many countable infinities are there? On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote: I've always liked the countable infinities. The uncountable ones seem so passe. Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Which infinity? The infinity of natural numbers? The infinity of real numbers? The infinity of human stupidity? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47f5482555067318414559! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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42 Are you suggesting coconuts migrate? Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: help needed for new pentax lens website 42 John Francis wrote: How many countable infinities are there? On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:28:24PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote: I've always liked the countable infinities. The uncountable ones seem so passe. Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/08 5:11 PM Steve Desjardins wrote: Sure, according to the Mathematicians. And they're almost as unhelpful as the philosophers. Steve the philosophy major Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/3/2008 11:53 AM anywhere close to infinity is it possible for anything to be close to infinity? Any philosophers out there? Which infinity? The infinity of natural numbers? The infinity of real numbers? The infinity of human stupidity? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
