Re: RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...
Bruce Dayton schrieb: I agree. The problem with the polls is that they don't reflect our ability to buy. Pretty much, the most expensive ones will always be at the top of the poll. If the poll was on same price range similar optics, it might prove much more helpful. Or maybe even a list of good glass vs. bad glass. Probably so. However, the results of the polls allow to compare the popularity of lenses of the same price range, too. In each poll there are some not-so-expensive lenses which scored well. See the overview which I just send the PDML. Arnold
Re: Heresy (was RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...)
You are right Frank - we are in violent agreement. I agree with your point that it is wiser to buy more and/or better lenses than to look for body upgrades when the old body is just fine. But then Marnie made the comment about Canon also having sharp lenses, and I just felt that she needed to be reminded of the broader esthetic/design/utility/usability factors. These are total system, not just lenses or just bodies. And this is where I think Pentax has an edge. But hey, I even liked the PZ-1p design, so what do I know! So, conclusion: when it comes to Pentax vs. the world, Pentax is best. When it comes to purchasing more Pentax glass vs more Pentax bodies, the glass should have priority. Stan on 11/7/02 11:27 PM, frank theriault at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Stan, I don't disagree with a single thing you say. Of course, a camera is a system: body and lens. Just to expand and clarify (I hope), my comments were an attempt to assist Marnie with her particular situation. I'm thinking that with the equipment that she currently has, her money would be better spent on lenses, if an improvement in the quality of her photographs is what she seeks. Older Pentax primes can be gotten for so little money, and can produce such wonderful results, my thinking is that she might be more satisfied taking that route, rather than buying a more modern bottom-of the-line body. I don't think that putting the two third-party zooms that she has now on an MZ-X will produce any more satisfying results than her current situation, even though that body may have more conveniences than her K1000. I know we aren't disagreeing here. And I didn't take your reply as a criticism of mine. I just thought I'd clarify a bit, based on what you said. regards, frank Stan Halpin wrote: Doe - if you buy the better lenses from any manufacturer, it would be really really hard to tell any difference in sharpness. Or in most other measurable characteristics. But . . . Despite Frank's emphasis on the lens over the box (camera that holds the lens), it really is a total system. A camera body without lens makes a good ashtray, a camera lens without a body may make a decent loupe or may help you start a fire if you are trapped in the North woods up where Frank lives. But the total system is what enables you to take pictures. Aspects I like about the Pentax system: 1. consistency/tradition. every Pentax lens made in the last 20+ years will work on every Pentax body made in the last 20+ years. 2. consistency. Lenses from the 645 Medium Format bodies will work on my 35mm bodies. Lenses from the 6x7 bodies will work on 645 and 35mm. 3. consistency. Small number of standard filter-ring sizes. Across 35mm, 645, and 6x7. 4. ergonomics. most Pentax bodies lenses have a wonderful, carefully crafted, look and feel. This is not only an esthetic delight, but makes their use more enjoyable. 5. lens design. Sharp, good color, many with wonderful bokah. 6. attitude. Pentax markets to people who care about photography, not so much to the masses looking for something to spend money on. For more on Pentax lenses see my site and the Boz site mentioned in the links on my site. Stan www.concentric.net/~smhalpin -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...
In a message dated Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:01:31 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 21 PDML members contributed to this poll. A big THANK YOU to them! Arnold Thank you. These lens polls are really going to help me decide what lenses to buy in the future. That is, if I stay with the Pentax system. I know it's heresy (or I can already gather that it probably is heresy), but I am not convinced that Pentax lenses are the best. (I've seen quite a few really sharp Canon pics.) Thanks again, Doe :-)
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On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that Pentax lenses are the best. (I've seen quite a few really sharp Canon pics.) That clearly weren't taken INTO the sun... -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re: RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...
In a message dated 11/7/2002 4:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that Pentax lenses are the best. (I've seen quite a few really sharp Canon pics.) That clearly weren't taken INTO the sun... Is that the advantage? I've really, really been wondering why all you guys (and gals) are such Pentaxettes. (Cheerleaders being an appropriate usage here.) Doe ;-)
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I agree. The problem with the polls is that they don't reflect our ability to buy. Pretty much, the most expensive ones will always be at the top of the poll. If the poll was on same price range similar optics, it might prove much more helpful. Or maybe even a list of good glass vs. bad glass. Bruce Thursday, November 7, 2002, 2:38:22 PM, you wrote: In a message dated Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:01:31 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PG writes: 21 PDML members contributed to this poll. A big THANK YOU to them! Arnold Thank you. These lens polls are really going to help me decide what lenses PG to buy in the future. PG Ha! These polls show me the lenses I cannot afford to buy g
Re: RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 02:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. These lens polls are really going to help me decide what lenses to buy in the future. That is, if I stay with the Pentax system. I know it's heresy (or I can already gather that it probably is heresy), but I am not convinced that Pentax lenses are the best. (I've seen quite a few really sharp Canon pics.) Thanks again, Doe :-) Not heresy at all. The lenses of whatever system you ultimately choose are going to have an effect on your photos second only to that of your best tool which is, of course, your mind. I chose Pentax because of the two brands of lenses I liked the look of the most (the look being the len's signature in the photograph) Pentax was the most affordable. Had I liked the look of Canon or Nikon lenses, I would have purchased either with equal enthusiasm. You have to go with the tools that give you the look you want, even if your choice isn't the most common. Dan Scott
Re: Heresy (was RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...)
Doe - if you buy the better lenses from any manufacturer, it would be really really hard to tell any difference in sharpness. Or in most other measurable characteristics. But . . . Despite Frank's emphasis on the lens over the box (camera that holds the lens), it really is a total system. A camera body without lens makes a good ashtray, a camera lens without a body may make a decent loupe or may help you start a fire if you are trapped in the North woods up where Frank lives. But the total system is what enables you to take pictures. Aspects I like about the Pentax system: 1. consistency/tradition. every Pentax lens made in the last 20+ years will work on every Pentax body made in the last 20+ years. 2. consistency. Lenses from the 645 Medium Format bodies will work on my 35mm bodies. Lenses from the 6x7 bodies will work on 645 and 35mm. 3. consistency. Small number of standard filter-ring sizes. Across 35mm, 645, and 6x7. 4. ergonomics. most Pentax bodies lenses have a wonderful, carefully crafted, look and feel. This is not only an esthetic delight, but makes their use more enjoyable. 5. lens design. Sharp, good color, many with wonderful bokah. 6. attitude. Pentax markets to people who care about photography, not so much to the masses looking for something to spend money on. For more on Pentax lenses see my site and the Boz site mentioned in the links on my site. Stan www.concentric.net/~smhalpin on 11/7/02 9:05 PM, Dan Scott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 02:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. These lens polls are really going to help me decide what lenses to buy in the future. That is, if I stay with the Pentax system. I know it's heresy (or I can already gather that it probably is heresy), but I am not convinced that Pentax lenses are the best. (I've seen quite a few really sharp Canon pics.) Thanks again, Doe :-) Not heresy at all. The lenses of whatever system you ultimately choose are going to have an effect on your photos second only to that of your best tool which is, of course, your mind. I chose Pentax because of the two brands of lenses I liked the look of the most (the look being the len's signature in the photograph) Pentax was the most affordable. Had I liked the look of Canon or Nikon lenses, I would have purchased either with equal enthusiasm. You have to go with the tools that give you the look you want, even if your choice isn't the most common. Dan Scott
RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...
Here they are: The Results of the Telephoto Zoom Poll! The favourite SMC Pentax Telephoto Zooms: 1st place (17 votes, 41 points): FA*80-200/f2.8 EDIF 2nd place (8 votes, 18 points) FA*250-600/5.6 EDIF 3rd place (6 votes, 14 points) F*250-600/5.6 EDIF 4th pace (6 votes, 11 points): A70-210/f4 5th place (3 votes, 8 points): F70-210/f4-5.6 5th place (3 votes, 8 points) K135-600/f6.7 7th place (3 votes, 5 points) K85-210/f3.5 8th place (2 votes, 4 points) FA80-320/f4.5-5.6 8th place (3 votes, 4 points) K400-600/8-12 Reflex 10th place (2 votes, 2 points) K45-125/f4 11th place (1 vote, 1 point): M80-200/f4.5 (version 1) 11th place (1 vote, 1 point): F80-200/f4.7-5.6 2.) Favourite 3rd party telephoto zoom 6 votes: Tokina AT-X 80-200/2.8 4 votes: Tokina AT-X 100-300/4 4 votes: Sigma EX 100-300/4 3 votes: Tokina AT-X 840AF AF 80-400 f/4.5-5.6 1 vote: Sigma EX 50-500 1 vote: Tokina AT-X 60-120/2.8 1 vote: Angenieux 70-210/3.5 1 vote: Sigma 70-200/f2.8 EX 1 vote: Sigma EX 80-200/2.8 3.) If you were dreaming, what would be your ideal (but realistic) SMC Pentax telephoto zoom lens for k-mount? 5 votes: FA* 100-300/4 ED [IF] 3 votes: FA* 70-210/4 ED [IF] 1 vote: FA* 45-125mm f/2.8 1 vote: SMC-FA* 70-200/4 ED IF 1 vote: FA*72-226/f2.8 1 vote: FA*80-200/f2.8 EDIF (Non Power Zoom) 1 vote: Pentax FA* 80-320/f2.8 1 vote: FA*100-300 / f3.5-4.5 EDIF 1 vote: FA* 150-400 F4-5.6 EDIF 1 vote: M Reflex 1000-2000mm F13.5 21 PDML members contributed to this poll. A big THANK YOU to them! Arnold
Re: RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...
I'm pleased to see that my personal favorite, the K 85-210/3.5 garnered three votes. This big old lens is incredibly sharp. I didn't vote for it because it's not the lens I'd buy if I could have anything I want. That would have to be the second place FA* 250-600. (In truth, I didn't vote at all, since I'm not a zoom kind of guy.) But the old K 85-210/3.5 is a nice zoom for people who don't use zooms. I keep mine on the top shelf and admire it once a year or so :-) Paul Arnold Stark wrote: Here they are: The Results of the Telephoto Zoom Poll! The favourite SMC Pentax Telephoto Zooms: 1st place (17 votes, 41 points): FA*80-200/f2.8 EDIF 2nd place (8 votes, 18 points) FA*250-600/5.6 EDIF 3rd place (6 votes, 14 points) F*250-600/5.6 EDIF 4th pace (6 votes, 11 points): A70-210/f4 5th place (3 votes, 8 points): F70-210/f4-5.6 5th place (3 votes, 8 points) K135-600/f6.7 7th place (3 votes, 5 points) K85-210/f3.5 8th place (2 votes, 4 points) FA80-320/f4.5-5.6 8th place (3 votes, 4 points) K400-600/8-12 Reflex 10th place (2 votes, 2 points) K45-125/f4 11th place (1 vote, 1 point): M80-200/f4.5 (version 1) 11th place (1 vote, 1 point): F80-200/f4.7-5.6 2.) Favourite 3rd party telephoto zoom 6 votes: Tokina AT-X 80-200/2.8 4 votes: Tokina AT-X 100-300/4 4 votes: Sigma EX 100-300/4 3 votes: Tokina AT-X 840AF AF 80-400 f/4.5-5.6 1 vote: Sigma EX 50-500 1 vote: Tokina AT-X 60-120/2.8 1 vote: Angenieux 70-210/3.5 1 vote: Sigma 70-200/f2.8 EX 1 vote: Sigma EX 80-200/2.8 3.) If you were dreaming, what would be your ideal (but realistic) SMC Pentax telephoto zoom lens for k-mount? 5 votes: FA* 100-300/4 ED [IF] 3 votes: FA* 70-210/4 ED [IF] 1 vote: FA* 45-125mm f/2.8 1 vote: SMC-FA* 70-200/4 ED IF 1 vote: FA*72-226/f2.8 1 vote: FA*80-200/f2.8 EDIF (Non Power Zoom) 1 vote: Pentax FA* 80-320/f2.8 1 vote: FA*100-300 / f3.5-4.5 EDIF 1 vote: FA* 150-400 F4-5.6 EDIF 1 vote: M Reflex 1000-2000mm F13.5 21 PDML members contributed to this poll. A big THANK YOU to them! Arnold
Re: RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...
I'm pleased to see that my personal favorite, the K 85-210/3.5 garnered three votes. This big old lens is incredibly sharp. I didn't vote for it because it's not the lens I'd buy if I could have anything I want. That would have to be the second place FA* 250-600. (In truth, I didn't vote at all, since I'm not a zoom kind of guy.) But the old K 85-210/3.5 is a nice zoom for people who don't use zooms. I keep mine on the top shelf and admire it once a year or so :-) Paul I also have the chance to use this lens. A joy. I pushed it to its limit once (210mm + f/3.5 + low contrast subject) and... saw its limit. But I was asking a lot and, to say the truth, the photo is still quite fine. You don't put the close-up attachment lens in and out in a snap though. I have a spare case for this lens. Maybe one of the 2 other voters need one. Andre --
Re: RESULTS! of the Telephoto Zoom Poll...
I'm pleased to see that my personal favorite, the K 85-210/3.5 garnered three votes. This big old lens is incredibly sharp. I didn't vote for it because it's not the lens I'd buy if I could have anything I want. Paul I have a spare case for this lens. Maybe one of the 2 other voters need one. ...or you, Paul. --
