Re: Saving your RAW photos as DNG? Stay away from ON1 photo RAW!
> On Nov 4, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 04.11.20 um 17:04 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi: > >> I tried mightily with On1 when my new Mac mini came in at the end of last >> year/beginning of this year. After six weeks of pain and aggravation, I gave >> up and deleted it. > > In a nutshell: their target group seems to be a certain clientele who > want to achieve superficially impressive results without investing much > artistry or craftsmanship. > > Those dramatic sunsets and spectacular skies (including new functions to > add clouds or exchange the whole sky) on their website speak for > themselves. ON1 Photo RAW 2021 now offers more special effects than all > Spielberg movies of the past and the future. > > All this at the expense of some fundamental basics. One of the first > photos I used to try out 2021 came out with some nasty banding in the > sky the likes of which I've never had with Lightroom. > >> ...the irritation of being a monthly pmt > > A what...? shorthand for "… a monthly subscription payment …". Sorry. :) Yeah, the canned-preprocessed-effects junk is just that to me: junk. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Saving your RAW photos as DNG? Stay away from ON1 photo RAW!
I tried mightily with On1 when my new Mac mini came in at the end of last year/beginning of this year. After six weeks of pain and aggravation, I gave up and deleted it. Waste of money for me. Luckily not too much money. But it convinced me that LR Classic was worth the money and the irritation of being a monthly pmt, for the present anyway. Still working on a couple of other options, but I've been too focused on other things, photographically, to worry about it too much. G > On Nov 4, 2020, at 2:02 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Been spending all night trying to find out why ON1 Photo RAW 2021 does > recognise my lenses but won't apply any lens corrections. > > From somewhere deep down on the ON1 website: > > "Lens corrections WILL NOT be detected or applied to .DNG, TIFFs, JPEGs > or PNGs." > > My RAW files are all saved as DNGs. > > As if that wasn't bad enough, how about this: > > "...cameras listed in Tier 2 will not be opened and processed with the > raw engine that is built into ON1 Photo RAW 2020. These files will be > opened and processed using the raw engine that is built into your > operating system." > > Tier 2 cameras includes such exotic models as the K-5 II. > > Methinks they should have to insert a big warning about this on the > entry page of their website and an other pop-up in their shop saying > "Are you really sure you want to buy this useless sh...?". > > I contacted their customer support, asking specifically why they don't > properly support DNG, and they've sent me a few unrelated standard text > modules. > > You have been warned. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Saving your RAW photos as DNG? Stay away from ON1 photo RAW!
Thanks for the heads up. Many are complaining about 2021 on the ON1 FB group. I still have 2018 and all is good with DNG. I only use it sparingly as I find it a bit too challenging trying to locate tools that are right up front in LR6. I like its dehaze filter and I can rotate a lens ball photo easier in ON1 than I can in PSEL9. Other than that its LRVS6.0 standalone for me Dave On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 5:02 AM Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > Been spending all night trying to find out why ON1 Photo RAW 2021 does > recognise my lenses but won't apply any lens corrections. > > From somewhere deep down on the ON1 website: > > "Lens corrections WILL NOT be detected or applied to .DNG, TIFFs, JPEGs > or PNGs." > > My RAW files are all saved as DNGs. > > As if that wasn't bad enough, how about this: > > "...cameras listed in Tier 2 will not be opened and processed with the > raw engine that is built into ON1 Photo RAW 2020. These files will be > opened and processed using the raw engine that is built into your > operating system." > > Tier 2 cameras includes such exotic models as the K-5 II. > > Methinks they should have to insert a big warning about this on the > entry page of their website and an other pop-up in their shop saying > "Are you really sure you want to buy this useless sh...?". > > I contacted their customer support, asking specifically why they don't > properly support DNG, and they've sent me a few unrelated standard text > modules. > > You have been warned. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Saving your RAW photos as DNG? Stay away from ON1 photo RAW!
Am 04.11.20 um 17:04 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi: I tried mightily with On1 when my new Mac mini came in at the end of last year/beginning of this year. After six weeks of pain and aggravation, I gave up and deleted it. In a nutshell: their target group seems to be a certain clientele who want to achieve superficially impressive results without investing much artistry or craftsmanship. Those dramatic sunsets and spectacular skies (including new functions to add clouds or exchange the whole sky) on their website speak for themselves. ON1 Photo RAW 2021 now offers more special effects than all Spielberg movies of the past and the future. All this at the expense of some fundamental basics. One of the first photos I used to try out 2021 came out with some nasty banding in the sky the likes of which I've never had with Lightroom. ...the irritation of being a monthly pmt A what...? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Saving your RAW photos as DNG? Stay away from ON1 photo RAW!
Thank you for the heads-up, Ralf. I have been meaning to evaluate ON1 since I got a free copy from X-Rite (included with a Colorchecker purchase). On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 5:02 AM Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Been spending all night trying to find out why ON1 Photo RAW 2021 does > recognise my lenses but won't apply any lens corrections. > > From somewhere deep down on the ON1 website: > > "Lens corrections WILL NOT be detected or applied to .DNG, TIFFs, JPEGs > or PNGs." > > My RAW files are all saved as DNGs. > > As if that wasn't bad enough, how about this: > > "...cameras listed in Tier 2 will not be opened and processed with the > raw engine that is built into ON1 Photo RAW 2020. These files will be > opened and processed using the raw engine that is built into your > operating system." > > Tier 2 cameras includes such exotic models as the K-5 II. > > Methinks they should have to insert a big warning about this on the > entry page of their website and an other pop-up in their shop saying > "Are you really sure you want to buy this useless sh...?". > > I contacted their customer support, asking specifically why they don't > properly support DNG, and they've sent me a few unrelated standard text > modules. > > You have been warned. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Web : http://www.fotoralf.de > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Saving your RAW photos as DNG? Stay away from ON1 photo RAW!
> On Nov 4, 2020, at 2:02 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Methinks they should have to insert a big warning about this on the > entry page of their website and an other pop-up in their shop saying > "Are you really sure you want to buy this useless sh...?”. I gave them a try around new years, decided they weren’t ready for prime time, sounds like they aren’t ready for any time. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Saving your RAW photos as DNG? Stay away from ON1 photo RAW!
Been spending all night trying to find out why ON1 Photo RAW 2021 does recognise my lenses but won't apply any lens corrections. From somewhere deep down on the ON1 website: "Lens corrections WILL NOT be detected or applied to .DNG, TIFFs, JPEGs or PNGs." My RAW files are all saved as DNGs. As if that wasn't bad enough, how about this: "...cameras listed in Tier 2 will not be opened and processed with the raw engine that is built into ON1 Photo RAW 2020. These files will be opened and processed using the raw engine that is built into your operating system." Tier 2 cameras includes such exotic models as the K-5 II. Methinks they should have to insert a big warning about this on the entry page of their website and an other pop-up in their shop saying "Are you really sure you want to buy this useless sh...?". I contacted their customer support, asking specifically why they don't properly support DNG, and they've sent me a few unrelated standard text modules. You have been warned. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
Interesting that IrfanView replaced ACR - maybe IrfanView has a plug in mode designed to do that? I've been interested in experimenting with some alternatives to ACR and it would be nice if other option could be configured to be integrated in PS. - Mark On 7/30/2018 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone suggested Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the raw files from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. I left Irfanview installed on my system however. Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a istDS raw file from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview interface kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, colorspace, etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im lucky, it is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to open K-5IIs raw files as well as istDS file. Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
Sorry -Typo. Should have been K110D. I used to convert the PEF's to DNG's before importing into Elements. Alan C On 01-Aug-18 03:51 PM, John Sessoms wrote: The K10D offered DNG as a native raw file format. On 7/31/2018 01:54, Alan C wrote: You could use the Adobe DNG converter. I did that with my K10D. Alan C On 31-Jul-18 07:29 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: right now I am still shooting with the istDS, it only shoots PEF. I do have another K5=IIs on the way though. jco On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 00:18:06 -0400, William Robb wrote: I told him that a couple of weeks ago. On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 1:49 PM Paul Stenquist wrote: Your camera can shoot RAW DNG files. Your version of ACR can open them. Paul > On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > > Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files > into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone suggested > Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the raw files > from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. I left > Irfanview installed on my system however. > > Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a istDS raw file > from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview interface > kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, colorspace, > etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im lucky, it > is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to open K-5IIs > raw files as well as istDS file. > > Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
The K10D offered DNG as a native raw file format. On 7/31/2018 01:54, Alan C wrote: You could use the Adobe DNG converter. I did that with my K10D. Alan C On 31-Jul-18 07:29 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: right now I am still shooting with the istDS, it only shoots PEF. I do have another K5=IIs on the way though. jco On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 00:18:06 -0400, William Robb wrote: I told him that a couple of weeks ago. On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 1:49 PM Paul Stenquist wrote: Your camera can shoot RAW DNG files. Your version of ACR can open them. Paul > On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > > Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files > into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone suggested > Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the raw files > from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. I left > Irfanview installed on my system however. > > Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a istDS raw file > from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview interface > kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, colorspace, > etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im lucky, it > is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to open K-5IIs > raw files as well as istDS file. > > Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? > -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
The *ist-D gave you a choice between PEF and TIFF for raw files. I don't think the choice to shoot DNG raw files was introduced until the K10D. On 7/31/2018 01:29, J.C. O'Connell wrote: right now I am still shooting with the istDS, it only shoots PEF. I do have another K5=IIs on the way though. jco On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 00:18:06 -0400, William Robb wrote: I told him that a couple of weeks ago. On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 1:49 PM Paul Stenquist wrote: Your camera can shoot RAW DNG files. Your version of ACR can open them. Paul > On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > > Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files > into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone suggested > Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the raw files > from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. I left > Irfanview installed on my system however. > > Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a istDS raw file > from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview interface > kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, colorspace, > etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im lucky, it > is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to open K-5IIs > raw files as well as istDS file. > > Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? > -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
Once I get the K5-IIs, I'll just switch over to the dng format for good. I'm not sure which interface will launch when I open the dng files in cs2 though, acr or irfanview, well see. jco On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 01:54:16 -0400, Alan C wrote: You could use the Adobe DNG converter. I did that with my K10D. Alan C On 31-Jul-18 07:29 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: right now I am still shooting with the istDS, it only shoots PEF. I do have another K5=IIs on the way though. jco On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 00:18:06 -0400, William Robb wrote: I told him that a couple of weeks ago. On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 1:49 PM Paul Stenquist wrote: Your camera can shoot RAW DNG files. Your version of ACR can open them. Paul > On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > > Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files > into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone suggested > Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the raw files > from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. I left > Irfanview installed on my system however. > > Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a istDS raw file > from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview interface > kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, colorspace, > etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im lucky, it > is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to open K-5IIs > raw files as well as istDS file. > > Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
You could use the Adobe DNG converter. I did that with my K10D. Alan C On 31-Jul-18 07:29 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: right now I am still shooting with the istDS, it only shoots PEF. I do have another K5=IIs on the way though. jco On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 00:18:06 -0400, William Robb wrote: I told him that a couple of weeks ago. On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 1:49 PM Paul Stenquist wrote: Your camera can shoot RAW DNG files. Your version of ACR can open them. Paul > On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > > Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files > into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone suggested > Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the raw files > from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. I left > Irfanview installed on my system however. > > Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a istDS raw file > from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview interface > kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, colorspace, > etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im lucky, it > is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to open K-5IIs > raw files as well as istDS file. > > Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
right now I am still shooting with the istDS, it only shoots PEF. I do have another K5=IIs on the way though. jco On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 00:18:06 -0400, William Robb wrote: I told him that a couple of weeks ago. On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 1:49 PM Paul Stenquist wrote: Your camera can shoot RAW DNG files. Your version of ACR can open them. Paul > On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > > Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files > into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone suggested > Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the raw files > from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. I left > Irfanview installed on my system however. > > Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a istDS raw file > from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview interface > kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, colorspace, > etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im lucky, it > is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to open K-5IIs > raw files as well as istDS file. > > Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
I told him that a couple of weeks ago. On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 1:49 PM Paul Stenquist wrote: > Your camera can shoot RAW DNG files. Your version of ACR can open them. > Paul > > > On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > > > > Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files > > into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone > suggested > > Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the > raw files > > from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. > I left > > Irfanview installed on my system however. > > > > Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a > istDS raw file > > from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview > interface > > kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, > colorspace, > > etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im > lucky, it > > is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to > open K-5IIs > > raw files as well as istDS file. > > > > Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
Your camera can shoot RAW DNG files. Your version of ACR can open them. Paul > On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > > Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files > into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone suggested > Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the raw > files > from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. I left > Irfanview installed on my system however. > > Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a istDS raw > file > from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview > interface > kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, > colorspace, > etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im > lucky, it > is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to open > K-5IIs > raw files as well as istDS file. > > Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2
Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone suggested Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the raw files from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2. I left Irfanview installed on my system however. Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a istDS raw file from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview interface kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness, colorspace, etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im lucky, it is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to open K-5IIs raw files as well as istDS file. Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
On 4/27/2018 16:32, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Now, as far as I understand, "traditional" TIFF viewers would not be able to show any RAW formats: you'd need some sort of additional "decoder"/converter from the RAW format to the bitmap-based format. I've never carefully looked at the TIFF files used by *ist-D and *ist-DS, but I suspect that was a "traditional" TIFF format, that can be easily seen in any TIFF viewer. So, I don't think that was a true "RAW" file. If you chose that format as output, - you were not storing RAW image, similarly to how it is not stored when you store JPEG-only. *ist-D PEF files had to be opened with Pentax's included image software and exported as TIFF files for Photoshop 7. The TIFF files could be opened directly. With the *ist-D you could also choose how many pixels it recorded in the TIFF or JPEG files - L 3008x2008; M 2400x1600; S 1536x1024. This affected the size of the TIFF file. File sizes were a big deal because I started out with a single 512MB Compact Flash card. It was 3 months before I could afford a second card and 6 months before I got my first 1GB card. An *ist-D PEF file was around 13MB; high quality 2400x1600 JPEGS were about 1.5MB; 1536x1024 TIFF files were around 4.5MB; 2400x1600 TIFFs were about 11MB and full size 3008x2008 TIFFs were 17MB or more. Looking back, I find I shot a lot more JPEGS than I remembered and more smaller TIFF files. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
I don't think that TIFF is actually a RAW format Per se but as it supports a 16 bit per channel version, so there is more data to manipulate than the 8 bits available per channel in Jpeg. Most image processing software could deal with a number of different TIFF variants which was why it was at one time the preferred professional format. Most if not all RAW formats put their data in a TIFF "wrapper", probably because there was no organization that owned the rights to TIFF, since it had been in use with FAX machines since just about the end of the Jurassic. After all. why create a new format when you have one available that will do what you need, and you already have the expertise available to work with it, that no one can sue you over. On 4/27/2018 2:26 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: John Francis wrote: The only thing I would add to Igor's excellent summary of the various file formats, camera option settings, etc., is to mention that TIFF was, in fact, available as a RAW format on the Pentax *ist-D and *ist-DS. I was under the impression that DNG and most other raw formats were variations/extensions of the TIFF format. Indeed, some image recovery software will find raw files if you specify TIFF as the format to search for. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 04:32:23PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > TIFF is a rather broad format. Strictly speaking it is a container format > that can have images incorporated in a variety of formats, including JPEG. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF > This format is described in the TIFF 6.0 format standard. > AFAIK, originally, it (the "classic" TIFF image) did not allow a RAW image > incorporated (but I am not 100% confident here). The TIFF 6.0 specification allowed for a variety of image decoders (such as, for example, those used in CCITT FAX), including proprietary decoders. The overall architecture of a DNG file (and, IIRC, a PEF file) conforms to the TIFF 6.0 specifications (using TIFF tags to describe the organisation of the file, for example), but the actual image data requires a decoder which is not part of the TIFF standard. The DNG standard adds a few extra decoders to the TIFF standard, including one for the Bayer RGGB pattern. While the *ist-D did offer TIFF, it wasn't really a raw format - although the *ist-D had a sensor that could record 12 bits of data, the TIFF output was limited to 8 bit. The PEF output retained all 12 bits (although the sensor data was stored in a 16-bit format, with no compression, leading to fairly large files - looking at a few of my images when I was testing my *isdt-D show .PEF files of around 14MB, and .TIF files of around 18MB). I've used DNG as my RAW format since I moved from the *ist-D to a K10D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
Someone else will have to comment
on this!
J
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 27, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>
>
>
> I guess this requires a bit more careful discussion of what TIFF is.
>
> TIFF is a rather broad format. Strictly speaking it is a container format
> that can have images incorporated in a variety of formats, including JPEG.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF
> This format is described in the TIFF 6.0 format standard.
> AFAIK, originally, it (the "classic" TIFF image) did not allow a RAW image
> incorporated (but I am not 100% confident here).
>
>
> There is, however a later format standard, so-called, ISO 12234-2, known as
> TIFF/EP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF/EP (But it is not the same as the
> "TIFF" standard! - defined as TIFF 6.0 standard.)
> One of the purposes/uses of this format is the RAW image format (for storing
> sensor information from different devices: scanners, digital cameras, etc.)
>
> To make that more clear, we have to define what RAW format is: it contains
> information (recorded signal levels) from each individual sensor site
> (e.g. for R, G, G, and B in various orders - for Bayer-filter based sensors).
> That is before it gets mixed into color-pixel information. That allows more
> efficient color separation/tweaking/mixing then at the level of pixel-based
> images.
>
> The non-RAW formats (Jpeg, "classic" TIFF, etc.) contain information about
> each pixel's color. This are based on the bitmap, - in some cases possibly
> compressed in a lossy or lossless way.
>
>
> Nikon's NEF _is_ _based_ on TIFF/EP format, but, again, it is not the TIFF
> format: http://lclevy.free.fr/nef/
> DNG was also based on TIFF/EP format.
>
> Now, as far as I understand, "traditional" TIFF viewers would not be able to
> show any RAW formats: you'd need some sort of additional "decoder"/converter
> from the RAW format to the bitmap-based format.
>
>
> I've never carefully looked at the TIFF files used by *ist-D and *ist-DS, but
> I suspect that was a "traditional" TIFF format, that can be easily seen in
> any TIFF viewer. So, I don't think that was a true "RAW" file.
> If you chose that format as output, - you were not storing RAW image,
> similarly to how it is not stored when you store JPEG-only.
>
>
> I suspect it is because of the structure similarity ("Tags-based format:
> Tagged Image File Format - TIFF") that some software might mix up RAW for
> TIFF. And I saw that some piece of software had a bug like that:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file/+bug/77166
>
> Also, because both TIFF (6.0) and TIFF/EP have "TIFF" in the name, and
> because the latter is based on a subset of the "original" TIFF, - people
> often incorrectly combine both under the same "TIFF" umbrella. Hence,
> the confusion.
>
>
> I hope this somewhat clarifies this rather messy multitude of image formats
> and nomenclatures.
>
> Igor
>
>
>
> Mark Roberts Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:27:32 -0700 wrote:
>
> John Francis wrote:
>
>> The only thing I would add to Igor's excellent summary of the
>> various file formats, camera option settings, etc., is to
>> mention that TIFF was, in fact, available as a RAW format on
>> the Pentax *ist-D and *ist-DS.
>
>
> I was under the impression that DNG and most other raw formats were
> variations/extensions of the TIFF format. Indeed, some image recovery
> software will find raw files if you specify TIFF as the format to
> search for.
>
> --
> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
> www.robertstech.com
>
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> Your question confused me.
>> What "organizer"? Which TIFF images?
>>
>> I don't think I understand all the aspects of your question, but I hope the
>> following clarifying statements would at least partially answer it.
>>
>> 1. TIFF is not a raw format. So, I doubt it'd be produced in the camera.
>> Maybe as an "export" option, but even that is unlikely.
>> 2. DNG _is_ a raw format.
>> 3. I am not aware of RAW+DNG format option in any camera.
>> 4. With modern Pentax DSLRs, you can choose one of the two RAW formats:
>> "PEF" (Pentax proprietary) and DNG (Adobe's).
>> 5. With the last several generations of Pentax DSLRs, you can choose
>> RAW or RAW+JPEG as the default, or override that manually with a button.
>> If you choose RAW+JPEG, you get two files written.
&g
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
I don't doubt it, but it was a computer geek who advised it. Perhaps a genuine "geek"? J Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2018, at 12:50 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > > I have the K-3 set for RAW+JPG with the RAWs set as DNGs and the JPGs sized > for web distribution. With two card slots, the RAWs go to card 1 and the > JPGs to card 2, which is an Eye-Fi Mobi. The Mobi fairly quickly will copy > the JPGs to my iPad for quick review (or to show interested bystanders) and > the DNGs from card 1 are later transferred to a hard drive and the JPGs on > card 2 go to the bit bucket. > > -p > > >> On 4/27/2018 1:58 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: >> >>> On April 27, 2018 8:29:45 AM PDT, Jack Davis wrote: >>> My images are now coming up as >>> JPEG's and I convert them to TIFF's >>> in "Save as ." >> Saving a jpeg as a tiff won't gain you any information, all of the >> informatin as already been lost in the original conversion from raw to jpeg. >> >> You probably want to set your camera to store either raw, or raw+jpeg. I >> prefer to store my raw files in dng format rather than pef on the assumption >> that future processing software will support dng and may not support pef. >> At one point, I was doing my initial backup in pef, and converting to dng >> during my import to lightroom so that I'd have copies of both file formats, >> but that was excessive, even for me. >> >> If you are ambitious, you could set your camera to raw+jpeg and compare the >> results of processing the same photo in both formats. Under ideal >> conditions, where you do minimum adjustments, the differences would likely >> be minimal, it tends to be in cases of poor lighting, when you need to pull >> details out of the shadows or make significant changes to color balance that >> the information loss is most notable. With hard drives running at less than >> $50/Terabyte saving photos in poor light is far more important to me than >> saving hard drive space. >> >>> J >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Bill >>> wrote: >>>>> On 4/27/2018 9:09 AM, Jack Davis wrote: >>>>> Anyone, >>>>> Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images >> >from the organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from >>> RAW to RAW+DNG. I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> J >>>> DNG is RAW. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>> and follow the directions. > > -- > Paul Sorenson > Studio1941 > > Sooner or later "different" scares people. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
I guess this requires a bit more careful discussion of what TIFF is.
TIFF is a rather broad format. Strictly speaking it is a container format
that can have images incorporated in a variety of formats, including JPEG.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF
This format is described in the TIFF 6.0 format standard.
AFAIK, originally, it (the "classic" TIFF image) did not allow a RAW
image incorporated (but I am not 100% confident here).
There is, however a later format standard, so-called, ISO 12234-2, known
as TIFF/EP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF/EP
(But it is not the same as the "TIFF" standard! - defined as TIFF 6.0
standard.)
One of the purposes/uses of this format is the RAW image format (for
storing sensor information from different devices: scanners, digital
cameras, etc.)
To make that more clear, we have to define what RAW format is: it contains
information (recorded signal levels) from each individual sensor site
(e.g. for R, G, G, and B in various orders - for Bayer-filter based
sensors). That is before it gets mixed into color-pixel information. That
allows more efficient color separation/tweaking/mixing then at the level
of pixel-based images.
The non-RAW formats (Jpeg, "classic" TIFF, etc.) contain
information about each pixel's color. This are based on the bitmap, - in
some cases possibly compressed in a lossy or lossless way.
Nikon's NEF _is_ _based_ on TIFF/EP format, but, again, it is not the
TIFF format: http://lclevy.free.fr/nef/
DNG was also based on TIFF/EP format.
Now, as far as I understand, "traditional" TIFF viewers would not be able
to show any RAW formats: you'd need some sort of additional
"decoder"/converter from the RAW format to the bitmap-based format.
I've never carefully looked at the TIFF files used by *ist-D and *ist-DS,
but I suspect that was a "traditional" TIFF format, that can be easily
seen in any TIFF viewer. So, I don't think that was a true "RAW" file.
If you chose that format as output, - you were not storing RAW image,
similarly to how it is not stored when you store JPEG-only.
I suspect it is because of the structure similarity ("Tags-based format:
Tagged Image File Format - TIFF") that some software might mix up RAW for
TIFF. And I saw that some piece of software had a bug like that:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file/+bug/77166
Also, because both TIFF (6.0) and TIFF/EP have "TIFF" in the name, and
because the latter is based on a subset of the "original" TIFF, - people
often incorrectly combine both under the same "TIFF" umbrella. Hence,
the confusion.
I hope this somewhat clarifies this rather messy multitude of image
formats and nomenclatures.
Igor
Mark Roberts Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:27:32 -0700 wrote:
John Francis wrote:
The only thing I would add to Igor's excellent summary of the
various file formats, camera option settings, etc., is to
mention that TIFF was, in fact, available as a RAW format on
the Pentax *ist-D and *ist-DS.
I was under the impression that DNG and most other raw formats were
variations/extensions of the TIFF format. Indeed, some image recovery
software will find raw files if you specify TIFF as the format to
search for.
--
Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
www.robertstech.com
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
Jack,
Your question confused me.
What "organizer"? Which TIFF images?
I don't think I understand all the aspects of your question, but I hope the
following clarifying statements would at least partially answer it.
1. TIFF is not a raw format. So, I doubt it'd be produced in the camera.
Maybe as an "export" option, but even that is unlikely.
2. DNG _is_ a raw format.
3. I am not aware of RAW+DNG format option in any camera.
4. With modern Pentax DSLRs, you can choose one of the two RAW formats:
"PEF" (Pentax proprietary) and DNG (Adobe's).
5. With the last several generations of Pentax DSLRs, you can choose
RAW or RAW+JPEG as the default, or override that manually with a button.
If you choose RAW+JPEG, you get two files written.
Here is a brief description of these file formats:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/41321715
HTH,
Igor
Jack Davis Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:10:06 -0700 wrote:
Anyone,
Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images from the
organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from RAW to RAW+DNG.
I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter?
Thanks
J
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Re: DNG V RAW converter?
> On 28 April 2018 at 02:57 Jack Davis wrote: > > > Right, John. Also on the more recent > K5 & K3. Some confusion here, I think. The K-5 offers PEF & DNG as the raw options; no TIFF. I can't imagine that the K-3 is different. Cheers Brian > J > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 27, 2018, at 9:25 AM, John Francis wrote: > > > > > > The only thing I would add to Igor's excellent summary of the > > various file formats, camera option settings, etc., is to > > mention that TIFF was, in fact, available as a RAW format on > > the Pentax *ist-D and *ist-DS. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
I have the K-3 set for RAW+JPG with the RAWs set as DNGs and the JPGs sized for web distribution. With two card slots, the RAWs go to card 1 and the JPGs to card 2, which is an Eye-Fi Mobi. The Mobi fairly quickly will copy the JPGs to my iPad for quick review (or to show interested bystanders) and the DNGs from card 1 are later transferred to a hard drive and the JPGs on card 2 go to the bit bucket. -p On 4/27/2018 1:58 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: On April 27, 2018 8:29:45 AM PDT, Jack Davis wrote: My images are now coming up as JPEG's and I convert them to TIFF's in "Save as ." Saving a jpeg as a tiff won't gain you any information, all of the informatin as already been lost in the original conversion from raw to jpeg. You probably want to set your camera to store either raw, or raw+jpeg. I prefer to store my raw files in dng format rather than pef on the assumption that future processing software will support dng and may not support pef. At one point, I was doing my initial backup in pef, and converting to dng during my import to lightroom so that I'd have copies of both file formats, but that was excessive, even for me. If you are ambitious, you could set your camera to raw+jpeg and compare the results of processing the same photo in both formats. Under ideal conditions, where you do minimum adjustments, the differences would likely be minimal, it tends to be in cases of poor lighting, when you need to pull details out of the shadows or make significant changes to color balance that the information loss is most notable. With hard drives running at less than $50/Terabyte saving photos in poor light is far more important to me than saving hard drive space. J Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Bill wrote: On 4/27/2018 9:09 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Anyone, Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images >from the organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from RAW to RAW+DNG. I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? Thanks J DNG is RAW. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
On 4/27/2018 11:25, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Jack, Your question confused me. What "organizer"? Which TIFF images? I don't think I understand all the aspects of your question, but I hope the following clarifying statements would at least partially answer it. 1. TIFF is not a raw format. So, I doubt it'd be produced in the camera. Maybe as an "export" option, but even that is unlikely. The *ist-D had TIFF files as an option. IIRC Herb Kepler recommended using the TIFF option when he reviewed the *ist-D in Popular Photography back in 2003 or 2004. At the time Kepler was not sure that RAW formats were going to catch on, and TIFF was the accepted universal format & what better than a camera that could output TIFF directly without requiring any additional software. I think it was because the then current version of Photoshop (Photoshop 7) didn't include a raw converter. You had to use the camera manufacturer's proprietary software to convert your photos to a format Photoshop could handle. TIFF was one of those formats. Later Adobe added ACR to the lineup, but IIRC it was a stand-alone product you had to buy separately from Photoshop 7. Adobe introduced the free DNG Converter in 2004 and DNG was one of the formats that Photoshop 7 could handle (possibly added through a software update). The DNG Converter could handle TIFF and PEF files from the *ist-D. When I went to Iraq in 2004 I had Photoshop 5LE that came with my Nikon Scanner and it could open the TIFF files from the *ist-D. But it was so limited I soon started looking for an upgrade (for which Photoshop 5LE was not eligible). But with combat pay & the tax exclusion, I had soon saved enough that I was able to buy a "used" copy Photoshop 7 from Amazon (who shipped to APO addresses). After I got home, I purchased a retail copy of PhotoshopCS so I wouldn't have to worry if my copy was legit. I got a "free" upgrade to PhotoshopCS 2 because it was announced only a month after I bought CS. 2. DNG _is_ a raw format. 3. I am not aware of RAW+DNG format option in any camera. 4. With modern Pentax DSLRs, you can choose one of the two RAW formats: "PEF" (Pentax proprietary) and DNG (Adobe's). 5. With the last several generations of Pentax DSLRs, you can choose RAW or RAW+JPEG as the default, or override that manually with a button. If you choose RAW+JPEG, you get two files written. And with the K-3/K-1, you have the option of writing the RAW (PEF or DNG) to one card and the JPEGS to the other. Here is a brief description of these file formats: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/41321715 HTH, Igor Jack Davis Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:10:06 -0700 wrote: Anyone, Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images from the organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from RAW to RAW+DNG. I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? Thanks J -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
Thanks, Irc! J Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2018, at 11:58 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote: > > > >> On April 27, 2018 8:29:45 AM PDT, Jack Davis wrote: >> My images are now coming up as >> JPEG's and I convert them to TIFF's >> in "Save as ." > > Saving a jpeg as a tiff won't gain you any information, all of the informatin > as already been lost in the original conversion from raw to jpeg. > > You probably want to set your camera to store either raw, or raw+jpeg. I > prefer to store my raw files in dng format rather than pef on the assumption > that future processing software will support dng and may not support pef. > At one point, I was doing my initial backup in pef, and converting to dng > during my import to lightroom so that I'd have copies of both file formats, > but that was excessive, even for me. > > If you are ambitious, you could set your camera to raw+jpeg and compare the > results of processing the same photo in both formats. Under ideal > conditions, where you do minimum adjustments, the differences would likely be > minimal, it tends to be in cases of poor lighting, when you need to pull > details out of the shadows or make significant changes to color balance that > the information loss is most notable. With hard drives running at less than > $50/Terabyte saving photos in poor light is far more important to me than > saving hard drive space. > >> J >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Bill >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/27/2018 9:09 AM, Jack Davis wrote: >>>> Anyone, >>>> Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images >> from the organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from >> RAW to RAW+DNG. I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? >>>> Thanks >>>> J >>> DNG is RAW. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow the directions. > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
On April 27, 2018 8:29:45 AM PDT, Jack Davis wrote: >My images are now coming up as >JPEG's and I convert them to TIFF's >in "Save as ." > Saving a jpeg as a tiff won't gain you any information, all of the informatin as already been lost in the original conversion from raw to jpeg. You probably want to set your camera to store either raw, or raw+jpeg. I prefer to store my raw files in dng format rather than pef on the assumption that future processing software will support dng and may not support pef. At one point, I was doing my initial backup in pef, and converting to dng during my import to lightroom so that I'd have copies of both file formats, but that was excessive, even for me. If you are ambitious, you could set your camera to raw+jpeg and compare the results of processing the same photo in both formats. Under ideal conditions, where you do minimum adjustments, the differences would likely be minimal, it tends to be in cases of poor lighting, when you need to pull details out of the shadows or make significant changes to color balance that the information loss is most notable. With hard drives running at less than $50/Terabyte saving photos in poor light is far more important to me than saving hard drive space. >J >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 27, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Bill >wrote: >> >>> On 4/27/2018 9:09 AM, Jack Davis wrote: >>> Anyone, >>> Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images >from the organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from >RAW to RAW+DNG. I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? >>> Thanks >>> J >> DNG is RAW. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
John Francis wrote: >The only thing I would add to Igor's excellent summary of the >various file formats, camera option settings, etc., is to >mention that TIFF was, in fact, available as a RAW format on >the Pentax *ist-D and *ist-DS. I was under the impression that DNG and most other raw formats were variations/extensions of the TIFF format. Indeed, some image recovery software will find raw files if you specify TIFF as the format to search for. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
Right, John. Also on the more recent K5 & K3. J Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2018, at 9:25 AM, John Francis wrote: > > > The only thing I would add to Igor's excellent summary of the > various file formats, camera option settings, etc., is to > mention that TIFF was, in fact, available as a RAW format on > the Pentax *ist-D and *ist-DS. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
The only thing I would add to Igor's excellent summary of the various file formats, camera option settings, etc., is to mention that TIFF was, in fact, available as a RAW format on the Pentax *ist-D and *ist-DS. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
Thanks: Igor, Paul and Bill! I have some further questions, but will leave those for later. J Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2018, at 8:25 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > Jack, > > Your question confused me. > What "organizer"? Which TIFF images? > > I don't think I understand all the aspects of your question, but I hope the > following clarifying statements would at least partially answer it. > > 1. TIFF is not a raw format. So, I doubt it'd be produced in the camera. > Maybe as an "export" option, but even that is unlikely. > 2. DNG _is_ a raw format. > 3. I am not aware of RAW+DNG format option in any camera. > 4. With modern Pentax DSLRs, you can choose one of the two RAW formats: > "PEF" (Pentax proprietary) and DNG (Adobe's). > 5. With the last several generations of Pentax DSLRs, you can choose > RAW or RAW+JPEG as the default, or override that manually with a button. > If you choose RAW+JPEG, you get two files written. > > Here is a brief description of these file formats: > https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/41321715 > > > HTH, > > Igor > > > Jack Davis Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:10:06 -0700 wrote: > > Anyone, > > Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images from the > organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from RAW to RAW+DNG. > I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? > > > > Thanks > > > J > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
My images are now coming up as JPEG's and I convert them to TIFF's in "Save as ." J Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Bill wrote: > >> On 4/27/2018 9:09 AM, Jack Davis wrote: >> Anyone, >> Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images from the >> organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from RAW to >> RAW+DNG. I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? >> Thanks >> J > DNG is RAW. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DNG V RAW converter?
Jack, Your question confused me. What "organizer"? Which TIFF images? I don't think I understand all the aspects of your question, but I hope the following clarifying statements would at least partially answer it. 1. TIFF is not a raw format. So, I doubt it'd be produced in the camera. Maybe as an "export" option, but even that is unlikely. 2. DNG _is_ a raw format. 3. I am not aware of RAW+DNG format option in any camera. 4. With modern Pentax DSLRs, you can choose one of the two RAW formats: "PEF" (Pentax proprietary) and DNG (Adobe's). 5. With the last several generations of Pentax DSLRs, you can choose RAW or RAW+JPEG as the default, or override that manually with a button. If you choose RAW+JPEG, you get two files written. Here is a brief description of these file formats: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/41321715 HTH, Igor Jack Davis Fri, 27 Apr 2018 08:10:06 -0700 wrote: Anyone, Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images from the organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from RAW to RAW+DNG. I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? Thanks J -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
DNG is just a standard way of packaging RAW files. I don’t use Lightroom, but in PhotoShop they’re handled the same way Pentax RAW files are handled. When I click on a RAW DNG file it opens in Adobe Raw Converter, and I tweak it before opening it in Photoshop and saving it as a Tiff and a jpeg. Paul > On Apr 27, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > > Anyone, > > Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images from the > organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from RAW to RAW+DNG. > I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? > > > Thanks > > > J > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DNG V RAW converter?
On 4/27/2018 9:09 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Anyone, Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images from the organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from RAW to RAW+DNG. I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? Thanks J DNG is RAW. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DNG V RAW converter?
Anyone, Am not seeing a RAW converter when downloading recent TIFF images from the organizer. I was advised to change a new camera setting from RAW to RAW+DNG. I did so. Should I now be seeing a DNG TIFF converter? Thanks J -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How having RAW images on an External Drive can improve LR performance
In that case, you should read up on the real difference between smart previews and full previews, and then read the documentation for Jeffrey Friedls plugin on the page I linked you to. You might also want to refamiliarise yourself with how long Lightroom keeps its 1:1 preview cache. Jostein Den 21.12.2017 05:15, skrev Igor PDML-StR: I might be wrong, but I vaguely remember some program or LR plugin that could save JPEGs from the full-size (or smaller) previews, in case RAW files become lost or damaged. Igor Jostein Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:05:35 -0800 wrote: Good luck trying to access a full-size preview if the original file isn't present. :-) The smart previews aend the plugin is for when you *don't* have the original file available. Jostein Den 20.12.2017 16:32, skrev Igor PDML-StR: As for exports from smart previews, - I wonder if that plugin uses full-size previews as well (if present). That should allow to have larger size exports. I haven't found any reference to the full-size previews. (I might be wrong, but it seems to me that LR itself doesn't use the full-size previews effectively... At least, the quality of the exports when I forgot to attach the external HDD is subpar. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How having RAW images on an External Drive can improve LR performance
I might be wrong, but I vaguely remember some program or LR plugin that could save JPEGs from the full-size (or smaller) previews, in case RAW files become lost or damaged. Igor Jostein Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:05:35 -0800 wrote: Good luck trying to access a full-size preview if the original file isn't present. :-) The smart previews aend the plugin is for when you *don't* have the original file available. Jostein Den 20.12.2017 16:32, skrev Igor PDML-StR: As for exports from smart previews, - I wonder if that plugin uses full-size previews as well (if present). That should allow to have larger size exports. I haven't found any reference to the full-size previews. (I might be wrong, but it seems to me that LR itself doesn't use the full-size previews effectively... At least, the quality of the exports when I forgot to attach the external HDD is subpar. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How having RAW images on an External Drive can improve LR performance
Good luck trying to access a full-size preview if the original file isn't present. :-) The smart previews aend the plugin is for when you *don't* have the original file available. Jostein Den 20.12.2017 16:32, skrev Igor PDML-StR: As for exports from smart previews, - I wonder if that plugin uses full-size previews as well (if present). That should allow to have larger size exports. I haven't found any reference to the full-size previews. (I might be wrong, but it seems to me that LR itself doesn't use the full-size previews effectively... At least, the quality of the exports when I forgot to attach the external HDD is subpar. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How having RAW images on an External Drive can improve LR performance
Thank you Mattew and Jostein for the useful information. I haven't moved to 6.x to keep the catalogs compatible to my 32-bit-Windows-7 laptop, so, I didn't know about that option in 6.7. It is sad that it took Adobe that long to think about it. As for exports from smart previews, - I wonder if that plugin uses full-size previews as well (if present). That should allow to have larger size exports. I haven't found any reference to the full-size previews. (I might be wrong, but it seems to me that LR itself doesn't use the full-size previews effectively... At least, the quality of the exports when I forgot to attach the external HDD is subpar. Igor Jostein Wed, 20 Dec 2017 05:38:18 -0800 wrote: For LR-5 users, Jeffrey Friedl has made a plugin that exports from smart previews. http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/smart-preview-support Jostein Den 19.12.2017 18:55, skrev Matthew Hunt: Igor, Lightroom 6.7 added a preference "Use Smart Previews Instead Of Originals For Image Editing" for, I think, the reason you describe--it can be faster than using the original raw files. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How having RAW images on an External Drive can improve LR performance
For LR-5 users, Jeffrey Friedl has made a plugin that exports from smart previews. http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/smart-preview-support Jostein Den 19.12.2017 18:55, skrev Matthew Hunt: Igor, Lightroom 6.7 added a preference "Use Smart Previews Instead Of Originals For Image Editing" for, I think, the reason you describe--it can be faster than using the original raw files. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: How having RAW images on an External Drive can improve LR performance
Igor, Lightroom 6.7 added a preference "Use Smart Previews Instead Of Originals For Image Editing" for, I think, the reason you describe--it can be faster than using the original raw files. https://petapixel.com/2016/09/20/adobe-lightroom-cc-now-smart-previews-faster-performance/ On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > Short summary: how having RAW images on an External drive can improve LR > performance. > > Frequently, for working with LR, people recommend storing the RAW photos > on the internal drive, which is typically the fastest, especially if it is > an SSD. I've read at least one analysis that has shown that the difference > is rather small for many "bulk" operations, so that it wouldn't be a big > deal (i.e. those bulk operations are limited by other resources, such as > CPU or RAM). However, the same study mentioned that other operations, - > such as switching from one photo to another, or from one module to another > would benefit from the RAW images being on the fast internal SSD drive. > http://www.computer-darkroom.com/blog/will-an-ssd-improve-ad > obe-lightroom-performance/ > > However, there is yet another factor: > In LR 5+, when you create smart previews, switching between photos > (especially in Develop module) is much faster if the RAW images are not > available, and you work only with the smart previews (+ regular previews, > which I choose to be full-size previews). > The difference is striking. This fact has been noted. > However, so far, I have not seen this fact to be used as the foundation > for keeping the RAW images on an external drive (but I haven't tried > hard to search for it). > > For a while, I've been using this configuration myself, first with a > laptop (internal SSD) and external USB-3 HDD, due to the lack of space on > the internal SSD. But now, I am using the same with a desktop computer. > I have a portable USB-3 HDD that has the "primary" collection of RAW > images. An added bonus is that I can use the same photos on both laptop and > desktop, if needed. > > My work flow is as follows: > 1. I copy RAW images from the SD card to the external HDD (using a fast > USB-3 SD card reader), which I can do on ANY computer (on some trips when I > don't take my laptop, I borrow my wife's laptop for this purpose). > > 1a) I also copy the same RAW files to another HDD that contains all > backups. (This step is irrelevant for the consideration here, and it is > mentioned just for completeness.) > > 2. On my "processing" computer, I import these images into LR (without > moving them! - you must deliberately uncheck that option and it will stay > that way) > 3. At the same time (importing), I check the option to generate full size > previews AND smart previews. > > 4. Once the previews are generated, I "eject" the external HDD, and > perform ALL sorting, selection, develop, web-gallery generation work with > the external HDD disconnected. > > 5. I connect the external HDD only before: > a) printing; > b) generating any jpegs, including web galleries; > c) exporting/opening the images in an external application (such as PS). > > > My "main" LR catalog and previews are kept on the internal drive. > (I occasionally create a smaller, special purpose catalog that I store on > the external HDD, especially if I need to move it between different > computers.) > > > Maybe these thoughts would be useful for some PDMLers. > > All comments and suggestions are welcome. > > Igor > > > PS. This Adobe webpage suggests increasing the size of the Camera Raw > cache: > https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/optimize-performance-lightroom.html > That should improve the response time when switching between different > images. I haven't tried this myself, so, I don't know how much this > improvement would be compared to what I suggested. However, I know that > often, even when going back and forth between just a handful of images > (2-3) - I see a huge difference in the response time when the raw images > are available and not. > So, that advice probably helps when you are actively working with a large > set of photos, so that you are hitting the default limit (of 1 GB). > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
How having RAW images on an External Drive can improve LR performance
Short summary: how having RAW images on an External drive can improve LR performance. Frequently, for working with LR, people recommend storing the RAW photos on the internal drive, which is typically the fastest, especially if it is an SSD. I've read at least one analysis that has shown that the difference is rather small for many "bulk" operations, so that it wouldn't be a big deal (i.e. those bulk operations are limited by other resources, such as CPU or RAM). However, the same study mentioned that other operations, - such as switching from one photo to another, or from one module to another would benefit from the RAW images being on the fast internal SSD drive. http://www.computer-darkroom.com/blog/will-an-ssd-improve-adobe-lightroom-performance/ However, there is yet another factor: In LR 5+, when you create smart previews, switching between photos (especially in Develop module) is much faster if the RAW images are not available, and you work only with the smart previews (+ regular previews, which I choose to be full-size previews). The difference is striking. This fact has been noted. However, so far, I have not seen this fact to be used as the foundation for keeping the RAW images on an external drive (but I haven't tried hard to search for it). For a while, I've been using this configuration myself, first with a laptop (internal SSD) and external USB-3 HDD, due to the lack of space on the internal SSD. But now, I am using the same with a desktop computer. I have a portable USB-3 HDD that has the "primary" collection of RAW images. An added bonus is that I can use the same photos on both laptop and desktop, if needed. My work flow is as follows: 1. I copy RAW images from the SD card to the external HDD (using a fast USB-3 SD card reader), which I can do on ANY computer (on some trips when I don't take my laptop, I borrow my wife's laptop for this purpose). 1a) I also copy the same RAW files to another HDD that contains all backups. (This step is irrelevant for the consideration here, and it is mentioned just for completeness.) 2. On my "processing" computer, I import these images into LR (without moving them! - you must deliberately uncheck that option and it will stay that way) 3. At the same time (importing), I check the option to generate full size previews AND smart previews. 4. Once the previews are generated, I "eject" the external HDD, and perform ALL sorting, selection, develop, web-gallery generation work with the external HDD disconnected. 5. I connect the external HDD only before: a) printing; b) generating any jpegs, including web galleries; c) exporting/opening the images in an external application (such as PS). My "main" LR catalog and previews are kept on the internal drive. (I occasionally create a smaller, special purpose catalog that I store on the external HDD, especially if I need to move it between different computers.) Maybe these thoughts would be useful for some PDMLers. All comments and suggestions are welcome. Igor PS. This Adobe webpage suggests increasing the size of the Camera Raw cache: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/optimize-performance-lightroom.html That should improve the response time when switching between different images. I haven't tried this myself, so, I don't know how much this improvement would be compared to what I suggested. However, I know that often, even when going back and forth between just a handful of images (2-3) - I see a huge difference in the response time when the raw images are available and not. So, that advice probably helps when you are actively working with a large set of photos, so that you are hitting the default limit (of 1 GB). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Banding abd RAW file Issues
HI Larry - I added a comparison of various shutter speeds to the original post: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-k-1-banding?blog=9 Obviously, I had to stop down quite a bit to shoot at the slow shutter speeds, so some of the detail in the wax paper diffuser becomes apparent in the slow shutter speeds, despite the lens being defocused. This only happens with the electronic shutter. I saw the same thing with the Q when trying to photograph insects. See the bee photos in this old post: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/more-pentax-q-macro-experiments-1 There is also a Wikipedia article on it. In my tests I saw no banding with the mechanical shutter. I found a brand of bulb that seems to cause almost no banding and started using those today. Actually fairly inexpensive bulbs sold at Walgreens. Mark On 3/4/2017 3:40 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Mark C wrote: I did that and will put together the results. I saw falloff between shutter speeds - 1/45, 1/90, and 1/180 had more pronounced banding that 1/60 and 1/125. But all those speeds had some banding. All speeds <1/45 showed no banding and all > 1/180 showed about the same degree of banding. I'll label the images and put them into a single file. Very cool. This was with the electronic shutter if I recall correctly? Did the number of bands change with different shutter speeds? I'm wondering if the length of time to expose the full sensor changes, and they just expose each row for different amounts of time. Did you get different results with electronic versus mechanical shutters? Mark On 3/2/2017 4:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Mark, as an experiment, please try this at various multiples of 1/120 second (83mSec): 1/120, 2/120, 3/120, 4/120, 5/120 -> 1/120, 1/60, 1/40, 1/30, 1/24, 1/20 Since the light is effectively a rectified sine wave, any time you integrate (expose) over a half power cycle (1/20), you should get exactly a full cycle of the light, and it should come out even with no banding. If you do run an experiment where you just cycle through exposure times from, for example, 1/500 down to 1/5, at 1/3 stop (1dB) and post the results, that should be a very cool demonstration of aliasing/nyquist rate etc. and I've got some science teacher friends who'd probably really appreciate that gallery being up on the web. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Banding abd RAW file Issues
Mark C wrote: I did that and will put together the results. I saw falloff between shutter speeds - 1/45, 1/90, and 1/180 had more pronounced banding that 1/60 and 1/125. But all those speeds had some banding. All speeds <1/45 showed no banding and all > 1/180 showed about the same degree of banding. I'll label the images and put them into a single file. Very cool. This was with the electronic shutter if I recall correctly? Did the number of bands change with different shutter speeds? I'm wondering if the length of time to expose the full sensor changes, and they just expose each row for different amounts of time. Did you get different results with electronic versus mechanical shutters? Mark On 3/2/2017 4:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Mark, as an experiment, please try this at various multiples of 1/120 second (83mSec): 1/120, 2/120, 3/120, 4/120, 5/120 -> 1/120, 1/60, 1/40, 1/30, 1/24, 1/20 Since the light is effectively a rectified sine wave, any time you integrate (expose) over a half power cycle (1/20), you should get exactly a full cycle of the light, and it should come out even with no banding. If you do run an experiment where you just cycle through exposure times from, for example, 1/500 down to 1/5, at 1/3 stop (1dB) and post the results, that should be a very cool demonstration of aliasing/nyquist rate etc. and I've got some science teacher friends who'd probably really appreciate that gallery being up on the web. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I did that and will put together the results. I saw falloff between shutter speeds - 1/45, 1/90, and 1/180 had more pronounced banding that 1/60 and 1/125. But all those speeds had some banding. All speeds <1/45 showed no banding and all > 1/180 showed about the same degree of banding. I'll label the images and put them into a single file. Mark On 3/2/2017 4:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Mark, as an experiment, please try this at various multiples of 1/120 second (83mSec): 1/120, 2/120, 3/120, 4/120, 5/120 -> 1/120, 1/60, 1/40, 1/30, 1/24, 1/20 Since the light is effectively a rectified sine wave, any time you integrate (expose) over a half power cycle (1/20), you should get exactly a full cycle of the light, and it should come out even with no banding. If you do run an experiment where you just cycle through exposure times from, for example, 1/500 down to 1/5, at 1/3 stop (1dB) and post the results, that should be a very cool demonstration of aliasing/nyquist rate etc. and I've got some science teacher friends who'd probably really appreciate that gallery being up on the web. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Banding abd RAW file Issues
It turns out I got lucky as I started trying different LED's from around the house. A "Living Solutions" brand bulb, 1500 lumens / 5010K evidences no banding at shutter speeds below 1/1000th. Even at high shutter speeds the banding is barely visible. There must be something different about their bulbs - I bought a matching one this morning so the two bulb setup is finally complete. Tried a few CFL but they produced the same banding as the other bulbs. Shooting by daylight would be a great - always wanted a a work space with big windows and skylights. On 3/2/2017 3:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Mark, LED panels sold for video use should not flicker. Have you tried CFLs yet? They /may/ not flicker because of the decay time in the fluorescent coating. Perhaps rearrange your schedule to shoot during the day and use sunlight? :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Banding abd RAW file Issues
Yes, I saw such effects before, while using the electronic shutter with my Panasonic GX7 (bought years ago for silent theater shooting). Cheers, Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Mark C Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 8:47 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: K-1 Banding abd RAW file Issues A couple things I learned about the K-1 and Pixel Shift Mode: The banding I was experiencing is the result of the electronic shutter and artificial light. It's just a rolling shutter effect. I saw it in Pixel Shift mode since that uses the electronic shutter, but setting the camera to use the electronic shutter in standard resolution / live view mode will also produce the banding. With the incandescent bulbs I used in the test, the banding was worse at higher shutter speeds but seemed to disappear at speeds of 1/15th or slower. Here's an extreme example - pointed the camera directly at a 30W mini flood light and shot at 1/8000 / f2.8: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-k-1-banding?blog=9 So, I have to figure out some form of lighting that will not cause banding. The incandescent bulbs that I tried seem to be the worst offenders, so I'll go back to LED's. I was thinking that DC powered LED's would not flicker, but testing that theory on some DC powered led's in the house showed that they do. I do have some led flashlights that do not produce banding. And there's an old propane lantern around here somewhere... The other thing that I learned (which is actually rather embarrassing) is that I had not actually seen any pixel shift results till today. I'm using PS CS6 and ACR 9.1.1. K-1 DNG raw files open just fine in ACR 9.1.1 but the pixel-shift magic does not happen. Apparently you need ACR 9.5 or higher before the pixel shift enhancement takes place. Compared to in-camera JPGs or DNG's processed in silky pix, the difference is very clear. So while I was impressed with the results I was getting with the K-1, all I was seeing was the improvement inherent in the sensor itself and not pixel shift resolution. ACR 9.1.1 is the last release that works with Photoshop CS6, so I either have to update, start using SilkyPix or shoot JPG's. I just figured out how to do batch processing in SilkyPix and will use that for the time being. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Banding abd RAW file Issues
Mark C wrote: I'll be the first to day that I am not 100% sure of this, but what I was reading is that older versions of ACR can read and open the DNG file but only version 9.5.1 (PS version - LR numbers differ) and higher actually combine and average the separate exposures in the K-1 raw files. ACR 9.1.1 was the first to be able to combine the multiple exposures in the K-3 ii files. I did this test: Shot the same subject with and without pixel shift using RAW + JPG. I pulled everything into PS without adjustment. Loaded the files as layers so I could easily compare them - e.g. pixel shift RAW exposure on bottom, regular raw exposure on top. Hide and unhide the top image to immediately see the differences. I also processed the pixel shifted raw file in SIlkyPix. I just want to say that I really appreciate your doing the research and letting us know the results. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Banding abd RAW file Issues
I'll be the first to day that I am not 100% sure of this, but what I was reading is that older versions of ACR can read and open the DNG file but only version 9.5.1 (PS version - LR numbers differ) and higher actually combine and average the separate exposures in the K-1 raw files. ACR 9.1.1 was the first to be able to combine the multiple exposures in the K-3 ii files. I did this test: Shot the same subject with and without pixel shift using RAW + JPG. I pulled everything into PS without adjustment. Loaded the files as layers so I could easily compare them - e.g. pixel shift RAW exposure on bottom, regular raw exposure on top. Hide and unhide the top image to immediately see the differences. I also processed the pixel shifted raw file in SIlkyPix. What I found was that I could see no difference between the pixel shift raw file opened in ACR 9.1.1 and the regular raw file. But, the pixel shift JPG and the SIlkypix converted image did have a greater degree of detail. To try to make it objective, I had Photoshop stack the pixel shifted raw file with the JPG version of the same image and, separately with the Silky Pix converted version. I figured that PS would preserve the image that had the most detail and discard the one that did not. In both cases PS discarded almost all of the ACR converted pixel shift file and kept the other. So it seems to me that the version of ACR I'm using is not creating the detail that is in the pixel shift image, which I can see in the in-camera JPG and in the SIlky Pix converted file. But I don't have access the version that supposedly works to test it. Mark On 3/2/2017 3:02 PM, Gonz wrote: I'm using LR v3.6, importing the gigantic DNG raw files from pixel shift seemed to work... Or is it doing something else?? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark C wrote: A couple things I learned about the K-1 and Pixel Shift Mode: The banding I was experiencing is the result of the electronic shutter and artificial light. It's just a rolling shutter effect. I saw it in Pixel Shift mode since that uses the electronic shutter, but setting the camera to use the electronic shutter in standard resolution / live view mode will also produce the banding. With the incandescent bulbs I used in the test, the banding was worse at higher shutter speeds but seemed to disappear at speeds of 1/15th or slower. Here's an extreme example - pointed the camera directly at a 30W mini flood light and shot at 1/8000 / f2.8: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-k-1-banding?blog=9 Mark, as an experiment, please try this at various multiples of 1/120 second (83mSec): 1/120, 2/120, 3/120, 4/120, 5/120 -> 1/120, 1/60, 1/40, 1/30, 1/24, 1/20 Since the light is effectively a rectified sine wave, any time you integrate (expose) over a half power cycle (1/20), you should get exactly a full cycle of the light, and it should come out even with no banding. If you do run an experiment where you just cycle through exposure times from, for example, 1/500 down to 1/5, at 1/3 stop (1dB) and post the results, that should be a very cool demonstration of aliasing/nyquist rate etc. and I've got some science teacher friends who'd probably really appreciate that gallery being up on the web. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark, LED panels sold for video use should not flicker. Have you tried CFLs yet? They /may/ not flicker because of the decay time in the fluorescent coating. Perhaps rearrange your schedule to shoot during the day and use sunlight? :) On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Mark C wrote: > A couple things I learned about the K-1 and Pixel Shift Mode: > > The banding I was experiencing is the result of the electronic shutter and > artificial light. It's just a rolling shutter effect. I saw it in Pixel > Shift mode since that uses the electronic shutter, but setting the camera to > use the electronic shutter in standard resolution / live view mode will also > produce the banding. With the incandescent bulbs I used in the test, the > banding was worse at higher shutter speeds but seemed to disappear at speeds > of 1/15th or slower. Here's an extreme example - pointed the camera directly > at a 30W mini flood light and shot at 1/8000 / f2.8: > > http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-k-1-banding?blog=9 > > So, I have to figure out some form of lighting that will not cause banding. > The incandescent bulbs that I tried seem to be the worst offenders, so I'll > go back to LED's. I was thinking that DC powered LED's would not flicker, > but testing that theory on some DC powered led's in the house showed that > they do. I do have some led flashlights that do not produce banding. And > there's an old propane lantern around here somewhere... > > The other thing that I learned (which is actually rather embarrassing) is > that I had not actually seen any pixel shift results till today. I'm using > PS CS6 and ACR 9.1.1. K-1 DNG raw files open just fine in ACR 9.1.1 but the > pixel-shift magic does not happen. Apparently you need ACR 9.5 or higher > before the pixel shift enhancement takes place. Compared to in-camera JPGs > or DNG's processed in silky pix, the difference is very clear. So while I > was impressed with the results I was getting with the K-1, all I was seeing > was the improvement inherent in the sensor itself and not pixel shift > resolution. > > ACR 9.1.1 is the last release that works with Photoshop CS6, so I either > have to update, start using SilkyPix or shoot JPG's. I just figured out how > to do batch processing in SilkyPix and will use that for the time being. > > Mark > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm using LR v3.6, importing the gigantic DNG raw files from pixel shift seemed to work... Or is it doing something else?? On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Mark C wrote: > A couple things I learned about the K-1 and Pixel Shift Mode: > > The banding I was experiencing is the result of the electronic shutter and > artificial light. It's just a rolling shutter effect. I saw it in Pixel > Shift mode since that uses the electronic shutter, but setting the camera to > use the electronic shutter in standard resolution / live view mode will also > produce the banding. With the incandescent bulbs I used in the test, the > banding was worse at higher shutter speeds but seemed to disappear at speeds > of 1/15th or slower. Here's an extreme example - pointed the camera directly > at a 30W mini flood light and shot at 1/8000 / f2.8: > > http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-k-1-banding?blog=9 > > So, I have to figure out some form of lighting that will not cause banding. > The incandescent bulbs that I tried seem to be the worst offenders, so I'll > go back to LED's. I was thinking that DC powered LED's would not flicker, > but testing that theory on some DC powered led's in the house showed that > they do. I do have some led flashlights that do not produce banding. And > there's an old propane lantern around here somewhere... > > The other thing that I learned (which is actually rather embarrassing) is > that I had not actually seen any pixel shift results till today. I'm using > PS CS6 and ACR 9.1.1. K-1 DNG raw files open just fine in ACR 9.1.1 but the > pixel-shift magic does not happen. Apparently you need ACR 9.5 or higher > before the pixel shift enhancement takes place. Compared to in-camera JPGs > or DNG's processed in silky pix, the difference is very clear. So while I > was impressed with the results I was getting with the K-1, all I was seeing > was the improvement inherent in the sensor itself and not pixel shift > resolution. > > ACR 9.1.1 is the last release that works with Photoshop CS6, so I either > have to update, start using SilkyPix or shoot JPG's. I just figured out how > to do batch processing in SilkyPix and will use that for the time being. > > Mark > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- Reduce your Government Footprint -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-1 Banding abd RAW file Issues
A couple things I learned about the K-1 and Pixel Shift Mode: The banding I was experiencing is the result of the electronic shutter and artificial light. It's just a rolling shutter effect. I saw it in Pixel Shift mode since that uses the electronic shutter, but setting the camera to use the electronic shutter in standard resolution / live view mode will also produce the banding. With the incandescent bulbs I used in the test, the banding was worse at higher shutter speeds but seemed to disappear at speeds of 1/15th or slower. Here's an extreme example - pointed the camera directly at a 30W mini flood light and shot at 1/8000 / f2.8: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/pentax-k-1-banding?blog=9 So, I have to figure out some form of lighting that will not cause banding. The incandescent bulbs that I tried seem to be the worst offenders, so I'll go back to LED's. I was thinking that DC powered LED's would not flicker, but testing that theory on some DC powered led's in the house showed that they do. I do have some led flashlights that do not produce banding. And there's an old propane lantern around here somewhere... The other thing that I learned (which is actually rather embarrassing) is that I had not actually seen any pixel shift results till today. I'm using PS CS6 and ACR 9.1.1. K-1 DNG raw files open just fine in ACR 9.1.1 but the pixel-shift magic does not happen. Apparently you need ACR 9.5 or higher before the pixel shift enhancement takes place. Compared to in-camera JPGs or DNG's processed in silky pix, the difference is very clear. So while I was impressed with the results I was getting with the K-1, all I was seeing was the improvement inherent in the sensor itself and not pixel shift resolution. ACR 9.1.1 is the last release that works with Photoshop CS6, so I either have to update, start using SilkyPix or shoot JPG's. I just figured out how to do batch processing in SilkyPix and will use that for the time being. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
Ok, there is a slight chance I misunderstood, I am occasionally alternatively correct. Once I thought I was wrong but I was mistaken. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw On February 9, 2017 12:26:34 PM PST, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 10:23:20AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However that must have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems to be in raw on both the K-3 and K-1. I don't know what older model that would be - even on my *ist-D green mode would shoot RAW (PEF); it just wouldn't support AE lock, bracketing, multi- exposure or EV compensation (and it didn't offer RAW+JPEG). Ok, there is a slight chance I misunderstood, I am occasionally alternatively correct. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse any swypos. http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
On February 9, 2017 1:13:16 PM PST, John wrote: >On 2/9/2017 1:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> John wrote: >>> On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>>> I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my >>>> housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the >flood >>>> waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode >>>> automatically pick a good ISO? >>>> >>> >>> I don't see anything in the manual that says "Green mode" shoots >only >>> jpeg. If it's in there, I didn't find it. >> >> I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However >that >> must have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems >to >> be in raw on both the K-3 and K-1. >> >>> >>> You could download the Operating Manual as a PDF & use it to guide >you >>> while you tell your housemate how to set the various controls >instead of >>> relying on us for second hand misinformation. >> >> As we can see from the above, your second hand disinformation is more >> accurate than my first hand disinformation. > >An admission of ignorance is always more accurate than a wild guess. Mark! > >>> >>> http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/man-pdf/k-3.pdf >> >> You are making the assumption that I hadn't tried to RTFM. In my >> experience the manual aspires to uselessness. The index points to >> setting the auto iso limits, but not turning them on or off. I tried >> searching the manual, several times, and wasn't able to find it, >until I >> was able to find it and then I was. On some of those searches, I will >> admit that I couldn't see where auto iso was highlighted on the page. >> > >I was making the assumption that you left your K-3 at home in >California >with your housemate while you are up there in Oregon (based on the >"wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera ... tomorrow"). I left my k-3 at home, but have my K-3 II here as a backup. I wasn't planning on getting the second one but it came with the used lens I wanted. > -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse any swypos. http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
And that's an alternative fact... On 2/9/2017 2:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Ok, there is a slight chance I misunderstood, I am occasionally alternatively correct. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
The K-5 in green mode automatically goes to JPG, no RAW. When I switch back to anything else, RAW is back on again. On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:22 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > My K-5II in green mode, won't let me change to raw capture, it won't even > let me into the quick menu through a second press of the info button. It > greys out all menu items in the standard menu that allow changes to the file > format. The K20D however will let you shoot RAW in Green mode. I don't > know if that change happened with the K-5 or with the K-7. > > > > On 2/9/2017 3:26 PM, John Francis wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 10:23:20AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> John wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my >>>>> housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood >>>>> waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode >>>>> automatically pick a good ISO? >>>>> >>>> I don't see anything in the manual that says "Green mode" shoots only >>>> jpeg. If it's in there, I didn't find it. >>> >>> I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However that >>> must >>> have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems to be in >>> raw on both the K-3 and K-1. >> >> I don't know what older model that would be - even on my *ist-D green mode >> would shoot RAW (PEF); it just wouldn't support AE lock, bracketing, >> multi- >> exposure or EV compensation (and it didn't offer RAW+JPEG). >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- Reduce your Government Footprint -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
My K-5II in green mode, won't let me change to raw capture, it won't even let me into the quick menu through a second press of the info button. It greys out all menu items in the standard menu that allow changes to the file format. The K20D however will let you shoot RAW in Green mode. I don't know if that change happened with the K-5 or with the K-7. On 2/9/2017 3:26 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 10:23:20AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: John wrote: On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? I don't see anything in the manual that says "Green mode" shoots only jpeg. If it's in there, I didn't find it. I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However that must have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems to be in raw on both the K-3 and K-1. I don't know what older model that would be - even on my *ist-D green mode would shoot RAW (PEF); it just wouldn't support AE lock, bracketing, multi- exposure or EV compensation (and it didn't offer RAW+JPEG). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
On 2/9/2017 1:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: John wrote: On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? I don't see anything in the manual that says "Green mode" shoots only jpeg. If it's in there, I didn't find it. I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However that must have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems to be in raw on both the K-3 and K-1. You could download the Operating Manual as a PDF & use it to guide you while you tell your housemate how to set the various controls instead of relying on us for second hand misinformation. As we can see from the above, your second hand disinformation is more accurate than my first hand disinformation. An admission of ignorance is always more accurate than a wild guess. http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/man-pdf/k-3.pdf You are making the assumption that I hadn't tried to RTFM. In my experience the manual aspires to uselessness. The index points to setting the auto iso limits, but not turning them on or off. I tried searching the manual, several times, and wasn't able to find it, until I was able to find it and then I was. On some of those searches, I will admit that I couldn't see where auto iso was highlighted on the page. I was making the assumption that you left your K-3 at home in California with your housemate while you are up there in Oregon (based on the "wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera ... tomorrow"). If I was having to explain something like that over the phone without actually having the camera in my hands, the diagrams & instructions in the manual are the next best substitute I can think of. Even when I do have the camera handy, I find it easier to clarify my thinking so that I can explain things more clearly if I can look in the manual to find the proper nomenclature/procedure. When I don't have the camera with me, I'm not likely to have the paper manual to refer to, but I know I can find a PDF copy on Ricoh's web site ... if I don't already have a PDF copy on whatever computer I'm currently using. I was hoping that someone else had gone through this and could just say "simultaneously press the iso and the green buttons to put it into auto iso, but that only works in these modes", which would have saved me about 45 minutes of trying to find the information. And if I *knew* that, I'd have told you, but I'd also refer you to the specific page in the manual where I got the information from. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
On February 9, 2017 12:26:34 PM PST, John Francis wrote: >On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 10:23:20AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However >that must >> have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems to >be in >> raw on both the K-3 and K-1. > >I don't know what older model that would be - even on my *ist-D green >mode >would shoot RAW (PEF); it just wouldn't support AE lock, bracketing, >multi- >exposure or EV compensation (and it didn't offer RAW+JPEG). Ok, there is a slight chance I misunderstood, I am occasionally alternatively correct. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse any swypos. http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 10:23:20AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: > > > John wrote: > > On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my > > > housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood > > > waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode > > > automatically pick a good ISO? > > > > > > > I don't see anything in the manual that says "Green mode" shoots only > > jpeg. If it's in there, I didn't find it. > > I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However that must > have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems to be in > raw on both the K-3 and K-1. I don't know what older model that would be - even on my *ist-D green mode would shoot RAW (PEF); it just wouldn't support AE lock, bracketing, multi- exposure or EV compensation (and it didn't offer RAW+JPEG). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
Gone are the days when a camera manual was actually more than a list of features and how to activate them. That's partly because there are now so many features that "might" be useful to someone somewhere, despite being extremely esoteric. Some features are so obscure that though you can activate them there's no clue to what they actually do. On 2/9/2017 1:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: John wrote: On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? I don't see anything in the manual that says "Green mode" shoots only jpeg. If it's in there, I didn't find it. I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However that must have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems to be in raw on both the K-3 and K-1. You could download the Operating Manual as a PDF & use it to guide you while you tell your housemate how to set the various controls instead of relying on us for second hand misinformation. As we can see from the above, your second hand disinformation is more accurate than my first hand disinformation. http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/man-pdf/k-3.pdf You are making the assumption that I hadn't tried to RTFM. In my experience the manual aspires to uselessness. The index points to setting the auto iso limits, but not turning them on or off. I tried searching the manual, several times, and wasn't able to find it, until I was able to find it and then I was. On some of those searches, I will admit that I couldn't see where auto iso was highlighted on the page. I was hoping that someone else had gone through this and could just say "simultaneously press the iso and the green buttons to put it into auto iso, but that only works in these modes", which would have saved me about 45 minutes of trying to find the information. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
You can set P mode to pick an ISO. On 2/8/2017 10:55 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Yes, TAV which I often use. Auto ISO is a handy feature. J - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:21:06 PM Subject: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
P mode will probably do ok. Set the program line to MTF so it just tries to pick the sharpest apertures. And yeah you have to pick an ISO or set it to Auto. You can preset the ISO beforehand if the lights going to be mostly the same. Also make sure you turn off back button focusing and they should be good to go. Green mode will only give you jpegs with basic settings. It can be useful though if you are giving the camera to someone who just wants a point and shoot. On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > John wrote: >> >> On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my >>> housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood >>> waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode >>> automatically pick a good ISO? >>> >> >> I don't see anything in the manual that says "Green mode" shoots only >> jpeg. If it's in there, I didn't find it. > > > I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However that must > have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems to be in > raw on both the K-3 and K-1. > >> >> You could download the Operating Manual as a PDF & use it to guide you >> while you tell your housemate how to set the various controls instead of >> relying on us for second hand misinformation. > > > As we can see from the above, your second hand disinformation is more > accurate than my first hand disinformation. >> >> >> http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/man-pdf/k-3.pdf > > > You are making the assumption that I hadn't tried to RTFM. In my experience > the manual aspires to uselessness. The index points to setting the auto iso > limits, but not turning them on or off. I tried searching the manual, > several times, and wasn't able to find it, until I was able to find it and > then I was. On some of those searches, I will admit that I couldn't see > where auto iso was highlighted on the page. > > I was hoping that someone else had gone through this and could just say > "simultaneously press the iso and the green buttons to put it into auto iso, > but that only works in these modes", which would have saved me about 45 > minutes of trying to find the information. > > >> > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
John wrote: On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? I don't see anything in the manual that says "Green mode" shoots only jpeg. If it's in there, I didn't find it. I am sure that I remember reading that, and trying it out. However that must have been on an older model because I just tried it and it seems to be in raw on both the K-3 and K-1. You could download the Operating Manual as a PDF & use it to guide you while you tell your housemate how to set the various controls instead of relying on us for second hand misinformation. As we can see from the above, your second hand disinformation is more accurate than my first hand disinformation. http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/man-pdf/k-3.pdf You are making the assumption that I hadn't tried to RTFM. In my experience the manual aspires to uselessness. The index points to setting the auto iso limits, but not turning them on or off. I tried searching the manual, several times, and wasn't able to find it, until I was able to find it and then I was. On some of those searches, I will admit that I couldn't see where auto iso was highlighted on the page. I was hoping that someone else had gone through this and could just say "simultaneously press the iso and the green buttons to put it into auto iso, but that only works in these modes", which would have saved me about 45 minutes of trying to find the information. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? I don't see anything in the manual that says "Green mode" shoots only jpeg. If it's in there, I didn't find it. You could download the Operating Manual as a PDF & use it to guide you while you tell your housemate how to set the various controls instead of relying on us for second hand misinformation. http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/man-pdf/k-3.pdf -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
On 2/8/2017 9:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? Any of them other than PHD. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
Yes, TAV which I often use. Auto ISO is a handy feature. J - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:21:06 PM Subject: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
The same as on the K-5 I think which would be P mode. In fact the only mode you can't shoot raw in is Green mode. On 2/8/2017 10:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
What is the most automatic mode on a K-3 that will shoot raw
I see to recall that green mode shoots only jpeg. If I wanted my housemate to be able to pick up my camera and get photos of the flood waters tomorrow, I could say Tav, f/2.8-4 1/60-1/100. Will P mode automatically pick a good ISO? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Adobe just updated Camera Raw, etc. to support K-1
something else that won't work on 10.6.8. Dave On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Newest versions of Adobe Camera Raw 9.5.1, Lightroom CC 2015.5.1 and > Lightroom 6.5.1 came out today. Amongst the new cameras supported is > the K-1. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Adobe just updated Camera Raw, etc. to support K-1
Newest versions of Adobe Camera Raw 9.5.1, Lightroom CC 2015.5.1 and Lightroom 6.5.1 came out today. Amongst the new cameras supported is the K-1. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom for Android now supports raw files
Latest update to Lightroom for Android now includes support for raw files. I just downloaded it for my new Asus tablet (which is really amazing, BTW) but haven't tried it out yet. I suspect raw conversion will be a bit slow, given the computing power available, but probably helpful in some situations. http://petapixel.com/2016/02/22/lightroom-android-2-0-worlds-first-end-end-mobile-raw-app/ -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
On 11/20/2015 12:51 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Having pondered this issue for a few days, here's my latest take on it: Reuters doesn't really care much if their photographers shoot raw or JPEG. Moreover, they're not even going to check... until there's an accusation of manipulation. That way, if there ever *is* an accusation they won't need to prove or even debate the highly contentious issues of how much manipulation was done and how much is acceptable. They'll just have to show it's not an in-camera JPEG and then dismiss the photographer. Could be their front office has reason to doubt the ability of their photo editors to spot manipulated images & they think that accepting only "in camera" JPEGs will reduce the risk they'll get burned again. It shouldn't be that big a deal. I'm pretty sure the K-3 is not the only dual-card camera with the capability to record RAW on one card simultaneously with JPEG on the other. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
Having pondered this issue for a few days, here's my latest take on it: Reuters doesn't really care much if their photographers shoot raw or JPEG. Moreover, they're not even going to check... until there's an accusation of manipulation. That way, if there ever *is* an accusation they won't need to prove or even debate the highly contentious issues of how much manipulation was done and how much is acceptable. They'll just have to show it's not an in-camera JPEG and then dismiss the photographer. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
On 19/11/15, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed: >UM , Mark -- I was making a little jokey - not like you to miss 'em >have some more coffee :-) trust me I knew exactly what you meant! Blahdy new yawkas -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
On 11/19/2015 9:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:31 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: B&W Film the standard for Newspaper work until sometime in the 80's was the raw of it's day. IIRC, some publishers, including I believe Nat Geo, would take only transparencies. Doesn't every publisher have the right to set the standards for submission? What is wrong with that? Sure they can, and there's not a problem with that. Reuters can demand PNGs for all I care. However, to me at least, it's obvious that they're demanding only in Cameras Jpegs because they can't trust reportorial staff, (actually they're probably all freelancers), not to lie, and can't trust their editorial staff to notice, and the decision was made by someone who has no understanding of the technology. Reuters has been burned by dishonest photographers, and, I'm sure, reporters, in the recent past, and they're looking for a technological fix, which doesn't exist. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:31 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > B&W Film the standard for Newspaper work until sometime in the 80's was the > raw of it's day. IIRC, some publishers, including I believe Nat Geo, would take only transparencies. Doesn't every publisher have the right to set the standards for submission? What is wrong with that? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
UM , Mark -- I was making a little jokey - not like you to miss 'em have some more coffee :-) trust me I knew exactly what you meant! ann On 11/19/2015 8:18 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: :-) This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management people, if you know what I mean. Gee no I don't, please explain I mean the decision was made by people who understand nothing about photography, the technicalities of digital image editing or the effects this decision is going to have in the real world. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
On 11/19/2015 2:31 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: B&W Film the standard for Newspaper work until sometime in the 80's was the raw of it's day. Here's the thing, either you trust your trained witnesses, (reporters and photographers), or you fire them and get someone you can trust. MARK! It wouldn't be so bad if the fakes were clever and hard to spot, but most were obvious fakes. That speaks almost as poorly for the intelligence of the editorial staff as it does for the honesty of the reporting staff. As has been pointed out there are a number of ways to spoof the EXIF data in a jpeg file, and a talented Photoshop user can produce nearly undetectable revisions. I read in the comments of that article that some Nikon Cameras embed a checksum in each picture file, in an attempt to thwart modifications, but hell once you know how any number id generated, it's just as easy to replace that as well. On 11/19/2015 12:00 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: funny, I thought you shot film a while back :-) On 11/18/2015 11:50 PM, knarf wrote: I've never shot anything other than a jpeg in my life. Nice to know I've still got a chance with Reuters. Cheers, frank On November 18, 2015 11:42:40 PM EST, ann sanfedele wrote: Gee no I don't, please explain a On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: "Steve Cottrell" wrote: Interesting! <http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- photos/> This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management people, if you know what I mean. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
ann sanfedele wrote: >On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: >> "Steve Cottrell" wrote: >> >>> Interesting! >>> >>> <http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- >>> photos/> >> This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management >> people, if you know what I mean. >> >Gee no I don't, please explain I mean the decision was made by people who understand nothing about photography, the technicalities of digital image editing or the effects this decision is going to have in the real world. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
Brian Walters wrote: >On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, at 09:27 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: >> Mark Roberts wrote: >> >> I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot >> Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open >> the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the >> processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and >> you're done. (The native JPEG will retain all its original metadata, >> including EXIF.) > >The only issue there (I think) is that the exif will record Photoshop in >the Software tag. This might raise some suspicions, although I suppose >an unscrupulous journo could edit that out. It could easily be edited out with an EXIF editor, but the new Reuters rules specifically allow "minimal processing (cropping, correcting levels, etc)", which would presumably be done in Photoshop, there's no real reason to do so. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015, at 09:27 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Mark Roberts wrote: > > I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot > Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open > the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the > processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and > you're done. (The native JPEG will retain all its original metadata, > including EXIF.) The only issue there (I think) is that the exif will record Photoshop in the Software tag. This might raise some suspicions, although I suppose an unscrupulous journo could edit that out. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
B&W Film the standard for Newspaper work until sometime in the 80's was the raw of it's day. Here's the thing, either you trust your trained witnesses, (reporters and photographers), or you fire them and get someone you can trust. It wouldn't be so bad if the fakes were clever and hard to spot, but most were obvious fakes. That speaks almost as poorly for the intelligence of the editorial staff as it does for the honesty of the reporting staff. As has been pointed out there are a number of ways to spoof the EXIF data in a jpeg file, and a talented Photoshop user can produce nearly undetectable revisions. I read in the comments of that article that some Nikon Cameras embed a checksum in each picture file, in an attempt to thwart modifications, but hell once you know how any number id generated, it's just as easy to replace that as well. On 11/19/2015 12:00 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: funny, I thought you shot film a while back :-) On 11/18/2015 11:50 PM, knarf wrote: I've never shot anything other than a jpeg in my life. Nice to know I've still got a chance with Reuters. Cheers, frank On November 18, 2015 11:42:40 PM EST, ann sanfedele wrote: Gee no I don't, please explain a On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: "Steve Cottrell" wrote: Interesting! <http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- photos/> This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management people, if you know what I mean. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
funny, I thought you shot film a while back :-) On 11/18/2015 11:50 PM, knarf wrote: I've never shot anything other than a jpeg in my life. Nice to know I've still got a chance with Reuters. Cheers, frank On November 18, 2015 11:42:40 PM EST, ann sanfedele wrote: Gee no I don't, please explain a On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: "Steve Cottrell" wrote: Interesting! <http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- photos/> This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management people, if you know what I mean. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
I've never shot anything other than a jpeg in my life. Nice to know I've still got a chance with Reuters. Cheers, frank On November 18, 2015 11:42:40 PM EST, ann sanfedele wrote: >Gee no I don't, please explain >a > >On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: >> "Steve Cottrell" wrote: >> >>> Interesting! >>> >>> ><http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- >>> photos/> >> This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management >> people, if you know what I mean. >> -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
Gee no I don't, please explain a On 11/18/2015 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: "Steve Cottrell" wrote: Interesting! <http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- photos/> This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management people, if you know what I mean. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
Illuminated by flash powder. Sent from my iPad Mike > On Nov 18, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > > This just in: Reuters will only accept 4x5 film negatives. > >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >> I'm telling Reuters on you, Mark. >> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Mark Roberts >> wrote: >>> Mark Roberts wrote: >>> >>>> Larry Colen wrote: >>>> >>>>> P.J. Alling wrote: >>>>>> Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news >>>>>> organizations run on auto pilot by idiots. >>>>> >>>>> It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It >>>>> would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better >>>>> part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from >>>>> a raw file. >>>> >>>> Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data? >>> >>> I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot >>> Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open >>> the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the >>> processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and >>> you're done. (The native JPEG will retain all its original metadata, >>> including EXIF.) >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia >>> www.robertstech.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> -- >> Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. > > > > -- > Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
This just in: Reuters will only accept 4x5 film negatives. On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > I'm telling Reuters on you, Mark. > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Mark Roberts > wrote: >> Mark Roberts wrote: >> >>>Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>>>P.J. Alling wrote: >>>>> Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news >>>>> organizations run on auto pilot by idiots. >>>> >>>>It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It >>>>would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better >>>>part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from >>>>a raw file. >>> >>>Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data? >> >> I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot >> Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open >> the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the >> processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and >> you're done. (The native JPEG will retain all its original metadata, >> including EXIF.) >> >> -- >> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia >> www.robertstech.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
I'm telling Reuters on you, Mark. On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Mark Roberts wrote: > >>Larry Colen wrote: >> >>>P.J. Alling wrote: >>>> Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news >>>> organizations run on auto pilot by idiots. >>> >>>It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It >>>would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better >>>part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from >>>a raw file. >> >>Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data? > > I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot > Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open > the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the > processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and > you're done. (The native JPEG will retain all its original metadata, > including EXIF.) > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
Mark Roberts wrote: >Larry Colen wrote: > >>P.J. Alling wrote: >>> Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news >>> organizations run on auto pilot by idiots. >> >>It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It >>would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better >>part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from >>a raw file. > >Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data? I just thought of an even easier way. Set the camera to shoot Raw+JPEG. Process the raw file any way you want and export it; open the native JPEG and the processed file in Photoshop; paste the processed image onto the native JPEG as a new Layer; flatten, save and you're done. (The native JPEG will retain all its original metadata, including EXIF.) -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
Larry Colen wrote: > > >P.J. Alling wrote: >> Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news >> organizations run on auto pilot by idiots. > >It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It >would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better >part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from >a raw file. Why not just generate the JPEG in Lightroom and hack the EXIF data? -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
P.J. Alling wrote: Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news organizations run on auto pilot by idiots. It does provide a certain amount of verisimilitude to the files. It would probably take someone who know what they were doing the better part of a day to write a program that could fake an in camera jpeg from a raw file. It give me an idea for an interesting feature for a digital camera. Each camera is programmed with a private/public key pair, where the private key is randomly generated, and not readable. Every raw file is signed with the private key with the signature and public key stored in the exif. It might also be possible to steganographicly watermark the raw file with the digital signature. Any photo submitted must also include the signed raw file. Spoofing this would at least require a non-trivial amount of processing. On 11/18/2015 2:47 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: Interesting! <http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- photos/> -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
"Steve Cottrell" wrote: >Interesting! > ><http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- >photos/> This strikes me as a decision that was made by upper management people, if you know what I mean. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
Once again proving to me that Reuters is like all current news organizations run on auto pilot by idiots. On 11/18/2015 2:47 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: Interesting! <http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- photos/> -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Reuters Bans RAW
I am surprised but this may only show my ignorance about the subject. I think I can agree with their reasoning. Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2015-11-18 21:47 GMT+02:00 Steve Cottrell : > Interesting! > > <http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- > photos/> > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, > || (O) |Web Video Production > -- > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Reuters Bans RAW
Interesting! <http://petapixel.com/2015/11/18/reuters-issues-a-worldwide-ban-on-raw- photos/> -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release & a new lens I was not aware of...
Quoting Darren Addy : The thing I think we all worry about is how high the monthly subscription rate will go, particularly with a product that has virtually no competition like Photoshop. I'm not sure that there's no competition. For the Mac platform Serif's recent release, Affinity Photo, seems to be getting good reviews as a Photoshop alternative (I'm not a Mac man so I don't know for sure about that). Even software like Zoner Photo Studio is getting better all the time in raw support. The thing is, though, older versions of Photoshop still do most of the things that newer versions do. Certainly I could live with CS3 if the CC subscription becomes outrageous. Of course, if Adobe lumped their DNG Converter into the CC subscription, that might complicate things with newer cameras. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2015-04-24 23:45 , Bob W-PDML wrote: A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime. right, it's a license violation, not a theft i proposed a theory many years ago that Adobe purposely tolerated the widespread "pirating" of their large collection of fonts because it made their fonts ubiquitous, and it supported their other offerings the subscription model is not so much about license violations, though, it's because it is harder and harder to excite people about buying the next version when their apps are more or less feature-complete; "death of print" has something to do with it as well; revenue from the apps in Creative Cloud apps was on a long-term revenue slide when the subscription strategy was launched -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
