Re: A Week in the Life (long response to everyone)

2001-10-24 Thread tom

Well, I don't think I can afford *not* to do digital proofs now...the
client forwarded the link to friends and family yesterday and I've
already got 2 bookings and a couple of orders.

This is good.

So I need to figure out a way to get better b+w scans. Does anyone have
experience with that Kodak scanner that'll scan an entire roll of film
at a time? What are my options for batch scanning?

Probably I should just look for a better lab.

Thanks.

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Re: A Week in the Life (long response to everyone)

2001-10-24 Thread tom

Rob Studdert wrote:
 

 The new Nikon 4000 has a full roll batch scan capability FWIW.

Thanks...I've got to decide if I really want to spend hours scanning my
negs...

I still can't send you mail directly, and that was with a second smtp
server.

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Re: A Week in the Life (long response to everyone)

2001-10-23 Thread Leon Altoff

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:18:49 -0700, tom wrote:

 I actually use Excel to create large numbers of near identical html
 pages.  Once I have the formulas all sorted out I just fill in what
 specifics are required and run a macro.  For your situation once you
 have the standard formulas you could create pages for different
 weddings quite easily.

What I'd like to do, and my script is pretty close to doing, is read a
directory of jpegs, create an index page of thumbnails, and an
individual html page from a template for each one. Can excel do that? 

It can if you are good at writing formulas in Excel.  My wife started
it by using Excel to create the code for her webpages.  I automated it
by adding a macro that took the code and created the html files with
the help of wordpad.  If your pearl script is doing what you want (or
nearly so) then stick to that.  

There are lots of ways of doing things in html, I wrote a page once
that created it's own code for other pages using Java Script. It had
problems with Netscape 6 so I scrapped it in favour of simple pages
automatically created.

I didn't think to see if a spreadsheet could solve my html problems...;)

My wife is an Excel guru, she uses it for most of her work.

 The first time is what takes the time.  If you set up some automation
 and get the scans right it should be quicker from now on.

I think you're right, some automation will cut the time down a bit, but
I'm still not satisfied with the scans.

It seems to me you can develop your b+w and optimize for printing or
scanning, but not both. 

Maybe I'll try a different labmaybe I just need someone with a
scanner that can handle more contrast. 

I've seen lots of very bad BW scans.  The scanners are optimised for
colour.  I normally just scan in 36 bit (Primefilm 1800u) and adjust
levels in Photoshop.  It comes out quite well.  Autolevels in Photoshop
sometimes get it right but not always so I just hand do all of my scans
- it's like working in a darkroom, after a while you get quite quick at
it.


 Leon

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Re: A Week in the Life (long response to everyone)

2001-10-22 Thread tom

Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
 Tom,
 
 I have thought about doing that also, but have never been brave enough to
 try.  Even though I scan all the time, I have felt that the time to deal
 with an entire wedding would be just too much.  You would really need to
 have full roll batch scanning with automatic correction and then feed it to
 a program that wou

Well, the idea was to have my lab do the scanning at around $12 per
roll, then do the html myself. I did write a script that created the
individual html pages, but it still took a lot longer then I thought it
would have.

I figure with a little practice I could get it down to 5 or 10 hours. I
would need to rewrite the script to create the index pages.

For comparison, it usually take me about 7 or 8 hours to put a proof
album together.

Another reason I'd like digital to work is that I'd have a copy af the
proofs as well. Currently my clients get to keep them, and I keep the
negs.

 
 As I looked of the images, I concur that the BW is a bit rough.  It
 certainly seems very grainy looking.  Is it really like that or is this what
 happened during the scans?  

Well, they're TMZ at 1600, mostly, so those are on the grainy side. It's
the bad contrast I object to, which happened mostly with the Delta 400.
Some of them were unsharp as well, even though the negs look fine.

I do develop a little hot, which is what my enlarger seems to prefer, so
maybe that's the problem wrt the contrast problem.

 I'm getting ready to scan some Kodak Black 
 White Chromogenic film.  I'll let you know how well it scans.  Thanks for
 sharing.  I liked your pose of the groom and his attendents against the
 fence.  Something I haven't seen before.

Actually, as one of the groomsmen pointed out afterwards, you probably
saw it on the cover of a Beatles album;)

Ed wrote:
 
 Nice shots, Tom.  

Thanks.

 I might also add that for anyone with a s-l-o-w
 internet connection like me, it still might be faster to drive somewhere
 and look at all the proofs. :)

From Phoenix?

Leon Altoff wrote:
 
 On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 02:35:45 -0700, tom wrote:
 
 Once I got the scans to a point where they weren't ridiculously heinous
 (they're happily mediocre now), I started working on the html...I soon
 realized that I'd have to come up with about 250 html files. Ugh.
 
 So I learned perl, and wrote a script to write most of them.
 
 I actually use Excel to create large numbers of near identical html
 pages.  Once I have the formulas all sorted out I just fill in what
 specifics are required and run a macro.  For your situation once you
 have the standard formulas you could create pages for different
 weddings quite easily.

What I'd like to do, and my script is pretty close to doing, is read a
directory of jpegs, create an index page of thumbnails, and an
individual html page from a template for each one. Can excel do that? 

I didn't think to see if a spreadsheet could solve my html problems...;)

 The first time is what takes the time.  If you set up some automation
 and get the scans right it should be quicker from now on.

I think you're right, some automation will cut the time down a bit, but
I'm still not satisfied with the scans.

It seems to me you can develop your b+w and optimize for printing or
scanning, but not both. 

Maybe I'll try a different labmaybe I just need someone with a
scanner that can handle more contrast. 

Anand DHUPKAR wrote:
 
 i think, it depends on how you take the shoot, but frankly, i don't feel the
 snaps are that bad.

I'm happy with the photos (though I can always find things that are
wrong and want to improve), I'm disappointed with the scans.

 btw, are you commercial photographer ? 

No, just weddings and portraits.

 in that case i think if you would
 have used digital camera straight way, it would have been far easier and
 superior too.

Find me one that'll do nice 11x14's at EI 1600 and I'll buy it.

Thanks for all the comments.

BTW, the clients say they're quite happy with them...

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RE: A Week in the Life (long response to everyone)

2001-10-22 Thread John Francis

John Mustarde mentioned:
 
 On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:18:49 -0700, you wrote:
 
 What I'd like to do, and my script is pretty close to doing, 
 is read a
 directory of jpegs, create an index page of thumbnails, and an
 individual html page from a template for each one. Can excel 
 do that? 
 
 Photoshop, Ulead PhotoImpact, and imagENGine will do that. There may
 be other programs with an Export for Web or similar feature.

I'm pretty sure ThumbsPlus has an HTML option, too.

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