RE: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Correction to earlier mail: ...(perpendicular to the other upper, traditional mirror) could project the picture to the CCD... Sorry! Best Regards, Jens - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
How about this idea? I find i difficult to understand why Pentax (or anyone else for that matter) don't make a camera like a traditional film camera, but with a CCD cell in the buttom of the body. A mirror, that comes up from below (parallel to the other upper, traditional mirror) could project the picture to the CCD, whenever the photographer chooses to make i digital shot of the scene. When the mirror is turned down again, it's still a traditional camera, but with a thick base plate. Maybe I should file the patent... Best Regards, Jens - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Didn't Rollei make a modular 35mm camera that took small 35mm film backs? Jim A. > From: "T Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:28:50 -0400 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR > > Does not work. The camera would have to have a interchangable film magazine > back first. That means it would have to be a different camera. Maybe an > MZ/DF (for DigiFilm? AFAIK the only 35mm cameras that have had magazine > backs in the past where the Kodak Ektra, and the Zeiss Contrarex. Anyone > know of any others? > > BTW, I always kind of thought the Olypus Pen F SLR would be a good basis for > a digicam since the 18x24mm format is great for current sensors. > > Ciao, > Graywolf > http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto > > > > - Original Message - > From: Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR > > >> Digital back for MZ-S say it with me now :-) > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Does not work. The camera would have to have a interchangable film magazine back first. That means it would have to be a different camera. Maybe an MZ/DF (for DigiFilm? AFAIK the only 35mm cameras that have had magazine backs in the past where the Kodak Ektra, and the Zeiss Contrarex. Anyone know of any others? BTW, I always kind of thought the Olypus Pen F SLR would be a good basis for a digicam since the 18x24mm format is great for current sensors. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR > Digital back for MZ-S say it with me now :-) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Mark wrote: >The patent depicts a 35mm SLR with an interchangeable film or digital back. >Judging by the drawings, it looks fairly mature (maybe close to an actual >implementation). What makes you think it's a 35mm camera? Unless I have missed something, it seems to be a 645. This also makes sense since this is the only Pentax camera with interchangeable back. It also fit the rumor mill. The patent clearly state that the film camera use two film catridges; clearly this indicate roll film - 120/220. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Mick wrote: >Don't in any way be lured into thinking that a patent application or award >thereof signifies an intent to manufacture or even an intent to do research. >All it means, and in most cases is likely to mean, is that the company >thinks "this is a good idea", so files the patent. Actually this patent has been around for a few years and this is probably an update on that older patent. Back then, I remember that Nikon had similar patents on a camera that is both digital and uses film. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Actually, Mick, I'm somewhat doubtful myself. Pentax seems to time their patents so that they issue shortly after the product itself is available. Examples include their ornamental design patents for the 67II, ZX-7, etc. For this patent in particular, I would guess that they actually built and tested something during the development of the cancelled digital MZ-?? and the not-cancelled MZ-S. If they had actually released the digital MZ-?? perhaps this patent would cover it. Maybe someday they'll actually produce a digital SLR and "tremble reduction" lenses. --Mark -Mick wrote- I should add that I'd love this to be right Mark, just that I am skeptical, however advanced the drawings look... wouldnt it be nice to have an MZ-S that did both digital and film? That is assuming it was a manageable size anyway. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Royalties without production cost is like getting free money. I'll bet they reserve some rights for their own production unless they get an offer they can't refuse. Len --- - Original Message - From: "T Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR > Being Pentax, they will probably license the design out to one of their > competitors. > > Ciao, > Graywolf > http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto > -- -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Being Pentax, they will probably license the design out to one of their competitors. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Mark Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: pentax-discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: RE: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR > Actually, I think you can make guesses based on the look of the drawings in > a patent. If, for example, the drawings are very generic, it is like that > the invention was never built (in prototype form or otherwise). > > If, on the other hand very specific drawings and exploded views are included > in the patent, they were probably lifted directly from an engineer's CAD > station. This indicates that they spent at least some $$$ on a study, and > maybe even fabricated something. > > So my theory is, "More mature drawings indicate greater chance of actual > product release." > > Of course, it's all just guesswork; how else do you think rumors get > started? > > --Mark > > > > -Mick wrote- > Don't in any way be lured into thinking that a patent application or award > thereof signifies an intent to manufacture or even an intent to do research. > All it means, and in most cases is likely to mean, is that the company > thinks "this is a good idea", so files the patent. > > Regards, > /\/\ick... > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
I should add that I'd love this to be right Mark, just that I am skeptical, however advanced the drawings look... wouldnt it be nice to have an MZ-S that did both digital and film? That is assuming it was a manageable size anyway. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Unfortunately that isn't my experience. I worked in a design group at Texas Instruments in the late 80's and all our patent work was written up in this level of detail whether we had any intention of using it or not. Generally the patent would be based on real R&D work which would involve real designs etc, it's just that there was no intent to take it further at that time. At that time TI made more money per year on patent royalties and infringement law suits that it made on the all of it's semiconductor sales put together. Intellectual property was a *huge* part of TI's business, and this is much the same for other companies. In this case Pentax may well be staking claim to this idea in the hope somebody else will license it from them... then again they may well be going to production too, we wont know until it's out there. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Sounds like a combination pressure plate/CCD sensor to me. Warren << Subject: Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR This is a line from the Patent grant: The CCD 41 of an image sensor has a photodetector 41C consisting of a plurality of photodiodes. An area of the photodetector 41C, shown by diagonal hatching, is a light-receiving area, on which the object image is formed. A size of the light-receiving area coincides with one frame of the photographic film F, namely, the exposure area of the photographic film F. Therefore, the object image obtained by the CCD 41 is identical to the object image recorded on the photographic film F. Excuse me, but doesn't that sound like a 24X36mm CCD??? Cotty>> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
This is a line from the Patent grant: The CCD 41 of an image sensor has a photodetector 41C consisting of a plurality of photodiodes. An area of the photodetector 41C, shown by diagonal hatching, is a light-receiving area, on which the object image is formed. A size of the light-receiving area coincides with one frame of the photographic film F, namely, the exposure area of the photographic film F. Therefore, the object image obtained by the CCD 41 is identical to the object image recorded on the photographic film F. Excuse me, but doesn't that sound like a 24X36mm CCD??? Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
COOL! http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p= 1 &u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6374060'.WKU.&OS=PN/6374060&RS=PN / 6374060 Link works fine for me... Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Sounds perfect to me, but didn't they also patent that TLR-esque thing that we've never seen as well? R - Original Message - From: "Mick Maguire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: RE: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR > Don't in any way be lured into thinking that a patent application or award > thereof signifies an intent to manufacture or even an intent to do research. > All it means, and in most cases is likely to mean, is that the company > thinks "this is a good idea", so files the patent. > > Regards, > /\/\ick... > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Don't in any way be lured into thinking that a patent application or award thereof signifies an intent to manufacture or even an intent to do research. All it means, and in most cases is likely to mean, is that the company thinks "this is a good idea", so files the patent. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
Sounds interesting, and now that the patent has been awarded I hope they follow through with it. Most important is that this camera would also allow the sensor to be upgraded as well as the use of film. > > All, > > > > Today (April 16, 2002) Asahi Kogaku Kogyo > Kabushiki Kaisha was awarded > > patent 6,374,060 for a "Hybrid camera selectively > using photographic film > > and image sensor." > > > > The patent depicts a 35mm SLR with an > interchangeable film or digital > back. > > Judging by the drawings, it looks fairly mature > (maybe close to an actual > > implementation). > > > > Wouldn't that be cool? Hope they actually produce > it!!! > > > > --Mark > > > > p.s., Here's a link which may or may not work: > > > > > http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6374060'.WKU.&OS=PN/6374060&RS=PN/ > > 6374060 > > - > > __ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR
I was not able to get that URL to work, but going to: http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/srchnum.htm and searching for 6374060 worked. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Mark Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: pentax-discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: Asahi patent for hybrid digital/film SLR > All, > > Today (April 16, 2002) Asahi Kogaku Kogyo Kabushiki Kaisha was awarded > patent 6,374,060 for a "Hybrid camera selectively using photographic film > and image sensor." > > The patent depicts a 35mm SLR with an interchangeable film or digital back. > Judging by the drawings, it looks fairly mature (maybe close to an actual > implementation). > > Wouldn't that be cool? Hope they actually produce it!!! > > --Mark > > p.s., Here's a link which may or may not work: > > http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1 > &u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6374060'.WKU.&OS=PN/6374060&RS=PN/ > 6374060 > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
