Re: But what about the 645D?
Good. Just to clarify. The back must cover the full 4x5 frame; not a small portion of it. So as not to be picky, let's say it must cover at least 90% of the frame. Any larger back, say 10x8, would of course also count. And by selling, we mean a single back on sale to the public. Not the unit price for 10,000 to a back manufacturer. John On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:38:13 +0100, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. But it's a back, not a camera. As long as that is understood, you're on. Paul On Sep 1, 2006, at 7:02 PM, John Forbes wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:29:25 +0100, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Large format digital backs won't always be too expensive. I can see a tiled back of APS-C sensors selling for less than 2K in a couple of years. Would you be interested in a little wager of $100 on that? We'll take two years to end at 31/12/2008, and large format to be 4x5 or above. I think that's fair. Are you on? John Large format digital cameras have been used by pro shooters for many years. They tile the image from multiple sensors. They're used in conjunction with a computer. To expensive to be practical for anyone outside of the very small group that you think is the pro shooting world. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
My comment was not meant to be taken seriously! In fact, I suspect that LF will be the last bastion of film, simply because it will be prohibitively expensive to produce large sensors for a small user base. John On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:16:50 +0100, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? Sheet film is actually selling really well around here. I think there's probably two places in Sydney that would have it in stock on a regular basis, they are still film oriented otherwise it's thin on the ground. It's not ever been in really high demand here. At one time, there might have been a half dozen places that would have sold it. The one place that is still selling it is happy with the volume. The technical school still uses a lot of it in it's photography course. William Robb -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On 9/1/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comment was not meant to be taken seriously! In fact, I suspect that LF will be the last bastion of film, simply because it will be prohibitively expensive to produce large sensors for a small user base. Let's hope that producing film for the LF user base will not become prohibitively expensive too, then. Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On 31.08.2006, at 23:20 , Peter Fairweather wrote: Given that the new K10D is rumoured to make the 67II obsolete, surely Pentax will just drop the 645D??!! I don't know :-) But it would be interesting to see what is (2x bigger than Canon's FF) sensor used in 645D capable of with 22-bit ADC device from NuCore!!! Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:13:30 +0100, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/06, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comment was not meant to be taken seriously! In fact, I suspect that LF will be the last bastion of film, simply because it will be prohibitively expensive to produce large sensors for a small user base. Let's hope that producing film for the LF user base will not become prohibitively expensive too, then. Jostein It'll certainly be expensive. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On 9/1/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31.08.2006, at 23:20 , Peter Fairweather wrote: Given that the new K10D is rumoured to make the 67II obsolete, surely Pentax will just drop the 645D??!! I don't know :-) But it would be interesting to see what is (2x bigger than Canon's FF) sensor used in 645D capable of with 22-bit ADC device from NuCore!!! I've been thinking the same thing. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
Jostein Øksne wrote: On 9/1/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31.08.2006, at 23:20 , Peter Fairweather wrote: Given that the new K10D is rumoured to make the 67II obsolete, surely Pentax will just drop the 645D??!! I don't know :-) But it would be interesting to see what is (2x bigger than Canon's FF) sensor used in 645D capable of with 22-bit ADC device from NuCore!!! I've been thinking the same thing. :-) How about if we add in-camera image stabilization, too? ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On 01.09.2006, at 14:20 , Mark Roberts wrote: How about if we add in-camera image stabilization, too? ;-) Then even before starting using such a camera we should have hi- absorbent pants on ;-) Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
Large format digital cameras have been used by pro shooters for many years. They tile the image from multiple sensors. They're used in conjunction with a computer. Paul On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:55 AM, John Forbes wrote: My comment was not meant to be taken seriously! In fact, I suspect that LF will be the last bastion of film, simply because it will be prohibitively expensive to produce large sensors for a small user base. John On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:16:50 +0100, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? Sheet film is actually selling really well around here. I think there's probably two places in Sydney that would have it in stock on a regular basis, they are still film oriented otherwise it's thin on the ground. It's not ever been in really high demand here. At one time, there might have been a half dozen places that would have sold it. The one place that is still selling it is happy with the volume. The technical school still uses a lot of it in it's photography course. William Robb -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On 01/09/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Large format digital cameras have been used by pro shooters for many years. They tile the image from multiple sensors. They're used in conjunction with a computer. Or they literally scan the frame in a linear fashion over the period of a minute or so. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
Large format digital backs won't always be too expensive. I can see a tiled back of APS-C sensors selling for less than 2K in a couple of years. BTW, I didn't say ALL pros use digital large format. I said they've been used by pro shooters for many years. Obviously, people who make their living from photography come from a wide spectrum that ranges from wedding shooters scratching out a living at bare sustenance levels and fine-art photographers who have to struggle to make ends meet all the way up to big-name commercial shooters who count their income in millions of dollars. And of course fine art photographers shooting large format are probably all shooting film. Although there are a few commercial shooters who also practice fine-art photography. Some quite successfully. Paul On Sep 1, 2006, at 9:02 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? Large format digital cameras have been used by pro shooters for many years. They tile the image from multiple sensors. They're used in conjunction with a computer. To expensive to be practical for anyone outside of the very small group that you think is the pro shooting world. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? Large format digital cameras have been used by pro shooters for many years. They tile the image from multiple sensors. They're used in conjunction with a computer. To expensive to be practical for anyone outside of the very small group that you think is the pro shooting world. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
Paul Stenquist wrote: I can see a tiled back of APS-C sensors selling for less than 2K in a couple of years. Two APS-C sensors side-by-side would be 23.5mm x 31.4mm. Close enough for me. (In fact, it's almost exactly the 3:4 aspect ratio that I prefer over the traditional 2:3 of 35mm film.) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On Sep 1, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I can see a tiled back of APS-C sensors selling for less than 2K in a couple of years. Two APS-C sensors side-by-side would be 23.5mm x 31.4mm. Close enough for me. (In fact, it's almost exactly the 3:4 aspect ratio that I prefer over the traditional 2:3 of 35mm film.) I'm with you on that one, Mark. :-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:29:25 +0100, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Large format digital backs won't always be too expensive. I can see a tiled back of APS-C sensors selling for less than 2K in a couple of years. Would you be interested in a little wager of $100 on that? We'll take two years to end at 31/12/2008, and large format to be 4x5 or above. I think that's fair. Are you on? John Large format digital cameras have been used by pro shooters for many years. They tile the image from multiple sensors. They're used in conjunction with a computer. To expensive to be practical for anyone outside of the very small group that you think is the pro shooting world. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
I'll take 5 years and $500. On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, John Forbes wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:29:25 +0100, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Large format digital backs won't always be too expensive. I can see a tiled back of APS-C sensors selling for less than 2K in a couple of years. Would you be interested in a little wager of $100 on that? We'll take two years to end at 31/12/2008, and large format to be 4x5 or above. I think that's fair. Are you on? John Large format digital cameras have been used by pro shooters for many years. They tile the image from multiple sensors. They're used in conjunction with a computer. To expensive to be practical for anyone outside of the very small group that you think is the pro shooting world. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
Sure. But it's a back, not a camera. As long as that is understood, you're on. Paul On Sep 1, 2006, at 7:02 PM, John Forbes wrote: On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:29:25 +0100, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Large format digital backs won't always be too expensive. I can see a tiled back of APS-C sensors selling for less than 2K in a couple of years. Would you be interested in a little wager of $100 on that? We'll take two years to end at 31/12/2008, and large format to be 4x5 or above. I think that's fair. Are you on? John Large format digital cameras have been used by pro shooters for many years. They tile the image from multiple sensors. They're used in conjunction with a computer. To expensive to be practical for anyone outside of the very small group that you think is the pro shooting world. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
No news at all on my side. Dario - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: But what about the 645D? ??? Any news, Rumors??? Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
Press release date is around the 15. September. And no, I'm not in the know of anything on this one. :-( Jostein On 8/31/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Any news, Rumors??? Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
But it does mean that there are news about it in the press release? - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? Press release date is around the 15. September. And no, I'm not in the know of anything on this one. :-( Jostein On 8/31/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Any news, Rumors??? Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
That's what I have been lead to believe, yes. Jostein On 8/31/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it does mean that there are news about it in the press release? - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? Press release date is around the 15. September. And no, I'm not in the know of anything on this one. :-( Jostein On 8/31/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Any news, Rumors??? Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
Given that the new K10D is rumoured to make the 67II obsolete, surely Pentax will just drop the 645D??!! Peter On 8/31/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I have been lead to believe, yes. Jostein On 8/31/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it does mean that there are news about it in the press release? - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? Press release date is around the 15. September. And no, I'm not in the know of anything on this one. :-( Jostein On 8/31/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Any news, Rumors??? Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
The 645D will make field cameras obsolete. John On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:20:11 +0100, Peter Fairweather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given that the new K10D is rumoured to make the 67II obsolete, surely Pentax will just drop the 645D??!! Peter On 8/31/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I have been lead to believe, yes. Jostein On 8/31/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it does mean that there are news about it in the press release? - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? Press release date is around the 15. September. And no, I'm not in the know of anything on this one. :-( Jostein On 8/31/06, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Any news, Rumors??? Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On 31/8/06, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: The 645D will make field cameras obsolete. Digital mole!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
- Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? The 645D will make field cameras obsolete. Ummmno. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On 01/09/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? The 645D will make field cameras obsolete. Ummmno. Exactly, lack of film will make them obsolete :-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
- Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? The 645D will make field cameras obsolete. Ummmno. Exactly, lack of film will make them obsolete :-) Sheet film is actually selling really well around here. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
On 01/09/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sheet film is actually selling really well around here. I think there's probably two places in Sydney that would have it in stock on a regular basis, they are still film oriented otherwise it's thin on the ground. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: But what about the 645D?
- Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: But what about the 645D? Sheet film is actually selling really well around here. I think there's probably two places in Sydney that would have it in stock on a regular basis, they are still film oriented otherwise it's thin on the ground. It's not ever been in really high demand here. At one time, there might have been a half dozen places that would have sold it. The one place that is still selling it is happy with the volume. The technical school still uses a lot of it in it's photography course. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
