Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Jack Davis]

Kevin,

Thanks for summing up you reaction to a quick spin with the latest 16.7
Canon.
You took a quick turn at the point where you brought in the 'blad H1
and if you had an image comparison comment, I missed it. Does the 'blad
carry a 22mp back?
If you find a moment, I'd appreciate your impression of the relative
image performance between the two.
I'll never own either, just morbid curiosity.

Jack

--- Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I spent a few hours playing with the latest offering from Canon.
> On the front of it we put a 70-200mm f2.8 lens and went walking
> around Sydney.
> The camera is a 16.7 megapixel full frame shooting 4 fps. ISO from
> 100-1600 and
> custom settings will stretch it from ISO 50-3200.
> 
> My first impression was, this is an ugly machine. 
> Upon lifting this beast it is immediately obvious that it should not
> be used 
> without a tripod. The combined weight of the lens + camera made this
> something
> you dont want to carry for too long or too far. If you are hiking, a
> monopod
> and/or neck strap are a must.
> 
> I must admit I was a more than a little lost on the control
> interface. My first
> instinct was for my index finger to turn it on like an *istD but
> there is no
> switch there. 10 mins of tuition had me comfortable with the basics
> and away
> we went again.
> 
> This machine takes SD or CF cards but the 'hatch' to access them is
> not something
> that would be easy in low/no light, although the camera does have a
> built in light
> for the task but I was unable to find it. My interest was the ability
> to plug the
> camera directly to a pc/laptop and have the files saved directly to
> the hard disk.
> This can be done via USB (1.1) or a wireless connection. Does it get
> any better than that?
> 
> I was told the LCD screen was large and bright and this may be the
> case in the dark
> but it was daylight and it was difficult to see. Even when venturing
> into a low
> light situation it was not great, the *istD has it trumped in this
> area.
> 
> File sizes when shooting in RAW are at about 13-15 megs, but of
> course you can reduce 
> this with several jpg file qualities to choose from. The firmware
> also has an auto-rotate
> feature for images. This could be quite useful for folks like myself
> where every moment
> saved in front of the computer is money saved.
> 
> What I was again looking for is the auto-focus mechanism. Fast.
> Several metering options
> are available with a gazillion variations, my primary interest was
> with the camera set
> to ISO 800 f2.8 and to whatever shutter speed manually set to 250.
> The focus was sharp and
> fast. In low light the performance was excellent, not once did I
> experience any hunting.
> It hit the mark 100% of the time.
> 
> I really only have the Hasselblad H1 to compare this to and when it
> comes down to 
> bang for bucks, this one really has everybody in second place. I
> guess with the only
> 16mp full frame 35mm sensor on the market they can charge what they
> like for them.
> The camera with 70-200mm f2.8 lens swings in at about AUD $15,000.00
> but compared to
> the Hasselblad at about AUD $40,000.00 it really offers alot of bang
> for you bucks.
> Even though the blad is a MF camera, this really does compete and
> will certainly be
> at the forefront of alot of photographers shopping lists. I can see
> journo's and
> wedding photographers looking for this en-masse.
> 
> If pentax is considering joining the MF Digital market then I think
> they really need
> to be looking at starting their sensor size at least better than the
> oppositions 35mm
> offering. I am still holding in there with pentax to early in the new
> year.
> 
> Kind regards
> Kevin
> 
> -- 
> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
> 
> Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
> 
> 





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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 29 Dec 2005 at 19:35, Kevin Waterson wrote:

> I really only have the Hasselblad H1 to compare this to and when it comes 
> down to 
> bang for bucks, this one really has everybody in second place. I guess with 
> the only
> 16mp full frame 35mm sensor on the market they can charge what they like for 
> them.
> The camera with 70-200mm f2.8 lens swings in at about AUD $15,000.00 but 
> compared to
> the Hasselblad at about AUD $40,000.00 it really offers alot of bang for you 
> bucks.
> Even though the blad is a MF camera, this really does compete and will 
> certainly be
> at the forefront of alot of photographers shopping lists. I can see journo's 
> and
> wedding photographers looking for this en-masse.
> 
> If pentax is considering joining the MF Digital market then I think they 
> really need
> to be looking at starting their sensor size at least better than the 
> oppositions 35mm
> offering. I am still holding in there with pentax to early in the new year.

I think you are being far too practical :-)

You have confirmed what I imagined would be the case when a practical 
comparison was made between these two systems. I also expect that the 5D will 
make a dent in sales of the 1DS MkII, it's enough camera for most people and 
inexpensive enough for a pro that they might even consider buying two or three 
bodies.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Paul Stenquist]

On 29 Dec 2005 at 19:35, Kevin Waterson wrote:


 I can see journo's and
wedding photographers looking for this en-masse.



A fifteen thousand dollar camera for journalists and wedding 
photographers???

Not likely.

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 29 Dec 2005 at 10:19, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> A fifteen thousand dollar camera for journalists and wedding 
> photographers???
> Not likely.

That's $15K Aus (about US$11k) including an 2.8/70-200 zoom and probably local 
taxes. I'm guessing that a Pentax 645 DSLR will be somewhat more expensive than 
this (without such a capable lens).


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Jack Davis]

Paul,

You knew it would happen and I'm here to confirm it. (LOL) I have a
wedding/studio/scenic/airplane author/photog. friend who is a slave to
the "latest", and who is able to afford to be.
He has a 22meg back for his AF Contax 645 and, in addition to his
"camera shop" inventory of 35mm F line of Nikons, now owns the D2x. His
latest investment; $30,000.
There is no hope for him, "Poor devil".

Jack

--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> > On 29 Dec 2005 at 19:35, Kevin Waterson wrote:
> >
> >>  I can see journo's and
> >> wedding photographers looking for this en-masse.
> >>
> 
> A fifteen thousand dollar camera for journalists and wedding 
> photographers???
> Not likely.
> 
> 




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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Rob Studdert wrote on 29.12.05 17:39:

> That's $15K Aus (about US$11k) including an 2.8/70-200 zoom and probably local
> taxes. I'm guessing that a Pentax 645 DSLR will be somewhat more expensive
> than 
> this (without such a capable lens).
I guess Nikon will sell 10x more D200 DSLRs to wedding photographers and
journalists as it costs around 3500 USD with 70-200/2.8 VR lens - that's
about 1/3 of price of similar set with 1Ds and real capabilities of this
Nikon camera are not that worse :-)

-- 
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Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 29 Dec 2005 at 17:02, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

> I guess Nikon will sell 10x more D200 DSLRs to wedding photographers and
> journalists as it costs around 3500 USD with 70-200/2.8 VR lens - that's
> about 1/3 of price of similar set with 1Ds and real capabilities of this
> Nikon camera are not that worse :-)

I don't know how top end Nikon cameras sell in your part of the world but I'd 
guess it's 3:1 in Canons favour here.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 29/12/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Upon lifting this beast it is immediately obvious that it should not be used 
>without a tripod. The combined weight of the lens + camera made this
something
>you dont want to carry for too long or too far.

To use an Australian term, you're nuts mate.




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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 29/12/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed:

> My interest was the ability to plug the
>camera directly to a pc/laptop and have the files saved directly to the
>hard disk.
>This can be done via USB (1.1) or a wireless connection. Does it get any
>better than that?

Yes, FireWire.




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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 29/12/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I was told the LCD screen was large and bright and this may be the case
>in the dark
>but it was daylight and it was difficult to see. Even when venturing
>into a low
>light situation it was not great, the *istD has it trumped in this area.

Not that you bothered to find the LCD brightness control menu, but it is
possible to choose one if 5 levels of brightness.




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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[David Savage]

What about them.

Dave

On 12/30/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 29/12/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Upon lifting this beast it is immediately obvious that it should not be used
> >without a tripod. The combined weight of the lens + camera made this
> something
> >you dont want to carry for too long or too far.
>
> To use an Australian term, you're nuts mate.
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Cotty wrote on 29.12.05 17:27:

> Yes, FireWire.
Firewire rulezzz... Pity that it is getting less and less popular in
cameras. Good that I have and use firewire CF cards reader just like you :-)

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 30/12/05, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I also expect that the 5D will 
>make a dent in sales of the 1DS MkII, it's enough camera for most people and 
>inexpensive enough for a pro that they might even consider buying two or
>three 
>bodies.

Not a chance. There's much more to it than price. What about the
environmental sealing?




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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 30/12/05, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What about them.

They're a bit dodgy ;-)




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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Rob Studdert wrote on 29.12.05 18:09:

> I don't know how top end Nikon cameras sell in your part of the world but I'd
> guess it's 3:1 in Canons favour here.
It depends on model. 300D is more popular because of its price. If someone
has more money to spend on DSLR then he buys D70 as much better camera.
Nikon had very weak sales in mid class - D100 was just outdated, but D200
seems to have enough features to sell much better not only from much more
expensive 1Ds but also from direct competition in this segment - 20D. Even
my friend who has been using EOS system with L-lenses, EOS-3 and 20D for
many years seriously plans to switch to Nikon because of D200.

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Jostein]

Interesting tale, Kevin. Thanks for sharing.
A couple of months back, I chanced to meet a nature photographer using 
the same beast with a 500mm f/4. He said that dust was a big problem 
with this particular camera. Much worse than its predecessor, the D1s. 
He actually considered going back for this particular reason.


Btw, the photograper is one of the big guys in Norwegian nature photo, 
Jørn Areklett Omre. Before digital, he shot Pentax 645. I *almost* 
bought his FA*645 600/4 lens... It was only 1000 USD more than I could 
manage... 


He's got a fair number of pics in stock agency "Samfoto" here: 
http://tinyurl.com/cpezu

And he's pretty darn good if you ask me...

Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive



I spent a few hours playing with the latest offering from Canon.
On the front of it we put a 70-200mm f2.8 lens and went walking 
around Sydney.
The camera is a 16.7 megapixel full frame shooting 4 fps. ISO from 
100-1600 and

custom settings will stretch it from ISO 50-3200.

My first impression was, this is an ugly machine.
Upon lifting this beast it is immediately obvious that it should not 
be used
without a tripod. The combined weight of the lens + camera made this 
something
you dont want to carry for too long or too far. If you are hiking, a 
monopod

and/or neck strap are a must.

I must admit I was a more than a little lost on the control 
interface. My first
instinct was for my index finger to turn it on like an *istD but 
there is no
switch there. 10 mins of tuition had me comfortable with the basics 
and away

we went again.

This machine takes SD or CF cards but the 'hatch' to access them is 
not something
that would be easy in low/no light, although the camera does have a 
built in light
for the task but I was unable to find it. My interest was the 
ability to plug the
camera directly to a pc/laptop and have the files saved directly to 
the hard disk.
This can be done via USB (1.1) or a wireless connection. Does it get 
any better than that?


I was told the LCD screen was large and bright and this may be the 
case in the dark
but it was daylight and it was difficult to see. Even when venturing 
into a low
light situation it was not great, the *istD has it trumped in this 
area.


File sizes when shooting in RAW are at about 13-15 megs, but of 
course you can reduce
this with several jpg file qualities to choose from. The firmware 
also has an auto-rotate
feature for images. This could be quite useful for folks like myself 
where every moment

saved in front of the computer is money saved.

What I was again looking for is the auto-focus mechanism. Fast. 
Several metering options
are available with a gazillion variations, my primary interest was 
with the camera set
to ISO 800 f2.8 and to whatever shutter speed manually set to 250. 
The focus was sharp and
fast. In low light the performance was excellent, not once did I 
experience any hunting.

It hit the mark 100% of the time.

I really only have the Hasselblad H1 to compare this to and when it 
comes down to
bang for bucks, this one really has everybody in second place. I 
guess with the only
16mp full frame 35mm sensor on the market they can charge what they 
like for them.
The camera with 70-200mm f2.8 lens swings in at about AUD $15,000.00 
but compared to
the Hasselblad at about AUD $40,000.00 it really offers alot of bang 
for you bucks.
Even though the blad is a MF camera, this really does compete and 
will certainly be
at the forefront of alot of photographers shopping lists. I can see 
journo's and

wedding photographers looking for this en-masse.

If pentax is considering joining the MF Digital market then I think 
they really need
to be looking at starting their sensor size at least better than the 
oppositions 35mm
offering. I am still holding in there with pentax to early in the 
new year.


Kind regards
Kevin

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for 
lunch.

Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Jack Davis]

Speaking for myself, they really swing. (large arc)

Jack

--- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 30/12/05, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >What about them.
> 
> They're a bit dodgy ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Jack Davis]

Wouldn't be surprised if Nikon were making gains lately.

Jack

--- Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rob Studdert wrote on 29.12.05 18:09:
> 
> > I don't know how top end Nikon cameras sell in your part of the
> world but I'd
> > guess it's 3:1 in Canons favour here.
> It depends on model. 300D is more popular because of its price. If
> someone
> has more money to spend on DSLR then he buys D70 as much better
> camera.
> Nikon had very weak sales in mid class - D100 was just outdated, but
> D200
> seems to have enough features to sell much better not only from much
> more
> expensive 1Ds but also from direct competition in this segment - 20D.
> Even
> my friend who has been using EOS system with L-lenses, EOS-3 and 20D
> for
> many years seriously plans to switch to Nikon because of D200.
> 
> -- 
> Balance is the ultimate good...
> 
> Best Regards
> Sylwek
> 
> 





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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[George Sinos]

Only slightly off topic.  I saw a firewire/USB comparison on the
television show "Call for Help".

The results were interesting.  I don't remember the exact details, but
they used firewire and USB to transfer about 10 Gbytes of data.  They
did the test on an apple and on a dell.

Here are the results:

Transfer time: Loose files from PC via USB 2.0 : 13 mins 26 seconds
Transfer time: Loose files from MAC via USB 2.0 : 23 mins 34 seconds
Transfer time: Loose files from PC via Firewire 12 mins 34 seconds
Transfer time: Loose files from MAC via Firewire 10 mins 17 seconds

So the bottom line, in this case, on a PC, firewire is marginally
faster, but I wouldn't go out of my way to use it.

On a Mac, it's no contest.  USB is horribly slower than firewire.

It's probably difficult to make direct comparisons between the two
machines.  And I'd guess there are enough variables that every
configuration will have slightly different results.

Here's a link to the show notes:



See you later, gs

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp, "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's $15K Aus (about US$11k) including an 2.8/70-200 zoom and probably 
> local 
> taxes. I'm guessing that a Pentax 645 DSLR will be somewhat more expensive 
> than 
> this (without such a capable lens).

Lens availabliity is a big boon to Canon at the moment, and will be for Pentax 
too.
Something where other makes are lacking

Kind regards
Kevin

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Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > My interest was the ability to plug the
> >camera directly to a pc/laptop and have the files saved directly to the
> >hard disk.
> >This can be done via USB (1.1) or a wireless connection. Does it get any
> >better than that?

Firewire was a deliberate ommision in favour of wireless.

Kevin
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Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

> It depends on model. 300D is more popular because of its price. If someone
> has more money to spend on DSLR then he buys D70 as much better camera.
> Nikon had very weak sales in mid class - D100 was just outdated, but D200
> seems to have enough features to sell much better not only from much more
> expensive 1Ds but also from direct competition in this segment - 20D. Even
> my friend who has been using EOS system with L-lenses, EOS-3 and 20D for
> many years seriously plans to switch to Nikon because of D200.

I must say that I find this both sad and strange... I always thought
that the more proficient/experienced/advanced a photographer becomes,
the more they learn that in gear what matters is the lens... Nowadays
it seems not true any longer :-(...

I am not trying to compare EOS L-Lenses and Nikon lenses... In my
silliness I would assume that a guy who has EOS system with L-Lenses
wouldn't want to switch because of a *body*...

Say, Leica does produce their digital rangefinder as was recently
mentioned on DPReview... Shall all of us suddently switch to Leica?
After all Leica lenses are superior, aren't they? ;-)

Thanks to Cotty I had a chance to handle his camera with A* 85/1.4
attached (Cotty, does my memory work?)... It was interesting... But
still, I wouldn't understand it, if for some reason Cotty went Nikon
just because of D200.

The world is undoubtedly changing.

--
Boris

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> Thanks for summing up you reaction to a quick spin with the latest 16.7
> Canon.
> You took a quick turn at the point where you brought in the 'blad H1
> and if you had an image comparison comment, I missed it. Does the 'blad
> carry a 22mp back?
> If you find a moment, I'd appreciate your impression of the relative
> image performance between the two.

Yes the H1 has a 22 megapixel 48.9mm x 36.7mm back. I find the idea of removable
backs appealing in that the body can still be used for film, and when better
technology becomes available it is relatively simple to change over to the new 
back.

As far as image comparisons go, I cant be too accurate here as I have not had 
them
side-by-side. At 100 ISO I doubt I could'nt pick it with the naked eye. At 800 
and 
1600 I think the blad starts to edge in front a little. But I don'nt know that 
it is
a AUD $25,000.00 improvement.

Kind regards
Kevin 

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Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Kevin,

Exactly what I was asking for. 
I'm anxious to read an image comparison test between the D5 and Mark
II. (dpreview, maybe?) Throw in the D200 and all the more interesting.
I agree with your positive remarks re removable backs being the best of
current technologically.

Jack

--- Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This one time, at band camp, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> > Thanks for summing up you reaction to a quick spin with the latest
> 16.7
> > Canon.
> > You took a quick turn at the point where you brought in the 'blad
> H1
> > and if you had an image comparison comment, I missed it. Does the
> 'blad
> > carry a 22mp back?
> > If you find a moment, I'd appreciate your impression of the
> relative
> > image performance between the two.
> 
> Yes the H1 has a 22 megapixel 48.9mm x 36.7mm back. I find the idea
> of removable
> backs appealing in that the body can still be used for film, and when
> better
> technology becomes available it is relatively simple to change over
> to the new back.
> 
> As far as image comparisons go, I cant be too accurate here as I have
> not had them
> side-by-side. At 100 ISO I doubt I could'nt pick it with the naked
> eye. At 800 and 
> 1600 I think the blad starts to edge in front a little. But I don'nt
> know that it is
> a AUD $25,000.00 improvement.
> 
> Kind regards
> Kevin 
> 
> -- 
> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
> 
> Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
> 
> 




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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 30/12/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This one time, at band camp, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > My interest was the ability to plug the
>> >camera directly to a pc/laptop and have the files saved directly to the
>> >hard disk.
>> >This can be done via USB (1.1) or a wireless connection. Does it get any
>> >better than that?
>
>Firewire was a deliberate ommision in favour of wireless.

I'm sorry?

Connectivity to a computer on the 1DsmII is via USB 1 and FireWire (IEEE1394).






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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 29 Dec 2005 at 13:11, George Sinos wrote:

> So the bottom line, in this case, on a PC, firewire is marginally
> faster, but I wouldn't go out of my way to use it.
> 
> On a Mac, it's no contest.  USB is horribly slower than firewire.
> 
> It's probably difficult to make direct comparisons between the two
> machines.  And I'd guess there are enough variables that every
> configuration will have slightly different results.

It's interesting but there are too many variables to make any realistic 
assessment, the direct comparison of USB performance and Firewire performance I 
can appreciate. They take account of machine differences but comparing Firewire 
to USB in this case assumes that the interface in the drive box is as capable 
using either interface. I've found great variation in USB/Firewire performance 
between cases that offer both (I have USB2 and Firewire 400 on my PC and two 
devices with both interface types).


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 29 Dec 2005 at 22:02, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Say, Leica does produce their digital rangefinder as was recently
> mentioned on DPReview... Shall all of us suddently switch to Leica?
> After all Leica lenses are superior, aren't they? ;-)

This just goes to show that they don't have bodies right as yet, it's a 
different ball-park to film lenses are a constant, what's to gain having a good 
lens if its performance is limited by the body? I've been asking this for a 
while.


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 29 Dec 2005 at 16:39, Cotty wrote:

> Not a chance. There's much more to it than price. What about the
> environmental sealing?

What about environmental sealing? I don't think it's as relevant to the 
majority of pro shooters as the marketeers make out. I've used my *ist D in 
rain more than once and it's been fine, unless any camera is purposefully made 
poorly I expect that they should handle the environments that most people would 
be comfortable in. 

We have to make assessments like that all the time, I know how deep I can go in 
my vehicle when fording a stream however there are always those that will push 
something beyond it's limits even if a device is ruggedized to handle greater 
that normal abuse. My *ist D has not stopped working yet and I've not heard of 
any pros here who's Pentax DSLRs have died through environmental abuse.


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

On 2005-12-29, at 21:02, Boris Liberman wrote:


I must say that I find this both sad and strange... I always thought
that the more proficient/experienced/advanced a photographer becomes,
the more they learn that in gear what matters is the lens... Nowadays
it seems not true any longer :-(...

I am not trying to compare EOS L-Lenses and Nikon lenses... In my
silliness I would assume that a guy who has EOS system with L-Lenses
wouldn't want to switch because of a *body*...

Say, Leica does produce their digital rangefinder as was recently
mentioned on DPReview... Shall all of us suddently switch to Leica?
After all Leica lenses are superior, aren't they? ;-)

Thanks to Cotty I had a chance to handle his camera with A* 85/1.4
attached (Cotty, does my memory work?)... It was interesting... But
still, I wouldn't understand it, if for some reason Cotty went Nikon
just because of D200.

The world is undoubtedly changing.


True Boris, true. But in defend of my friend I can tell that as much  
as he was satisfied with EOS-3 he was very upset with performance of  
20D for three reasons - AF speed in low light (here Nikon is leader),  
AF accuracy and frequent overexposure problems with metering in this  
Canon. He had none of these problems with analog body (no surprise  
for me, as EOS-3 is a kinda higher class body with 45 sensors AF like  
in 1Dxxx series). He didn't want to pay for any body from 1D family  
and thus probably his decision.


--
Best regards
Sylwek

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

On 2005-12-29, at 23:49, Rob Studdert wrote:

What about environmental sealing? I don't think it's as relevant to  
the
majority of pro shooters as the marketeers make out. I've used my  
*ist D in
rain more than once and it's been fine, unless any camera is  
purposefully made
poorly I expect that they should handle the environments that most  
people would

be comfortable in.

We have to make assessments like that all the time, I know how deep  
I can go in
my vehicle when fording a stream however there are always those  
that will push
something beyond it's limits even if a device is ruggedized to  
handle greater
that normal abuse. My *ist D has not stopped working yet and I've  
not heard of
any pros here who's Pentax DSLRs have died through environmental  
abuse.


Another proof is in two proffesional Pentax cameras - 645NII and 67II  
don't have officially enviromental sealings. Both are designed and  
used mainly by field photographers where severe weather conditions  
happen quite often ;-)


--
Best regards
Sylwek

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[brooksdj]

> On 2005-12-29, at 23:49, Rob Studdert 
wrote:
> 
> > What about environmental sealing? I don't think it's as relevant to  
> > the
> > majority of pro shooters as the marketeers make out. I've used my  
> > *ist D in
> > rain more than once and it's been fine, unless any camera is  
> > purposefully made
> > poorly I expect that they should handle the environments that most  
> > people would
> > be comfortable in.
> >
I have never used my D2H in wet weather after Sept 2004.
Major melt down.

Dave

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 29 Dec 2005 at 22:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have never used my D2H in wet weather after Sept 2004.
> Major melt down.

Do remind me what happened if you have the patience?


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Shel Belinkoff]

FWIW, there are five or six USB2 ports on my computer.  The ports don't all
provide the same download/upload speeds.  I think Rob & I discussed this
some time ago.

Shel 

> 
 George Sinos wrote:
>
> > So the bottom line, in this case, on a PC, firewire is marginally
> > faster, but I wouldn't go out of my way to use it.
> > 
> > On a Mac, it's no contest.  USB is horribly slower than firewire.
> > 
> > It's probably difficult to make direct comparisons between the two
> > machines.  And I'd guess there are enough variables that every
> > configuration will have slightly different results.


> From: Rob Studdert 
>
> It's interesting but there are too many variables to make any realistic 
> assessment, the direct comparison of USB performance and Firewire 
> performance I  can appreciate. They take account of machine differences 
> but comparing Firewire  to USB in this case assumes that the interface in 
> the drive box is as capable using either interface. I've found great
variation 
> in USB/Firewire performance between cases that offer both (I have USB2 
> and Firewire 400 on my PC and two devices with both interface types).

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 29 Dec 2005 at 14:28, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> FWIW, there are five or six USB2 ports on my computer.  The ports don't all
> provide the same download/upload speeds.  I think Rob & I discussed this
> some time ago.

True, it also depends if the port to which you are connected is sharing the hub 
with another otherwise innocuous device (printer, screen calibrator, mouse, 
keyboard, tablet etc) or if it is in fact a cascaded hub like many front panel 
card readers with USB port.


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Not that you bothered to find the LCD brightness control menu, but it is
> possible to choose one if 5 levels of brightness.

This is out-of-the box, as I use my *istD brightness control.

Kevin

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Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> Connectivity to a computer on the 1DsmII is via USB 1 and FireWire (IEEE1394).

sorry, you are correct, it was not omitted but changed, and not for the 
wireless 
but for the inclusion of video out connection. The firewire speed was increased
from previous speeds (unknown to me) to 100Mbps.

Kind regards
Kevin

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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

True Boris, true. But in defend of my friend I can tell that as much  as 
he was satisfied with EOS-3 he was very upset with performance of  20D 
for three reasons - AF speed in low light (here Nikon is leader),  AF 
accuracy and frequent overexposure problems with metering in this  
Canon. He had none of these problems with analog body (no surprise  for 
me, as EOS-3 is a kinda higher class body with 45 sensors AF like  in 
1Dxxx series). He didn't want to pay for any body from 1D family  and 
thus probably his decision.


I don't live in Canon land, but perhaps Canon produced firmware updates 
that attended some of 20D problems you listed. Say, some folk reported 
that *istDS mCode 2.0 improved some on AF operation. Also, there is 
always a chance that his very camera was a bad sample and he could've 
exchanged it for another 20D (by warranty)...


I haven't heard as serious a complaint about 20D yet. Though like I 
said, I don't live in Canon land.


And still, well, 20D was a disappointment for him... Is it the end of 
the world? I hardly think so...


I suppose it makes no sense to pursue this branch of the topic, but I am 
still left in wonder.


Boris

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 30/12/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This is out-of-the box, as I use my *istD brightness control.

So based on this, when you buy a new TV, and plug it in and find nothing
to watch, presumably you decide it is not worth the hassle of finding
out how to actually tune the bugger in ???  ;-)






Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 30/12/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>sorry, you are correct, it was not omitted but changed, and not for the
>wireless 
>but for the inclusion of video out connection. The firewire speed was
>increased
>from previous speeds (unknown to me) to 100Mbps.

Have a tinnie on me ;-)




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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[David Mann]

On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:57 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

Another proof is in two proffesional Pentax cameras - 645NII and  
67II don't have officially enviromental sealings. Both are designed  
and used mainly by field photographers where severe weather  
conditions happen quite often ;-)


IIRC Craig Potton (a well-known NZ nature photographer) uses a Pentax  
6x7 system, among other cameras of various formats.  Your comment  
instantly reminded me of this photo:
http://cpp.co.nz/Products/published/Posters/postersnative/ 
stormmilfordsound


He recently gave a talk at the local art gallery as part of the Ansel  
Adams exhibition.  That's one of the pics he showed in his  
presentation and it's one of my favourites of all his work.   
Apparently the wind was so strong it was blowing the water back up  
the cliff.


I have been there but the day I went out on the boat the sky was  
clear and blue.  Not terribly common for a place that sees 7 metres  
of average annual rainfall (that's almost as much as London;).


- Dave

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Cotty wrote on 30.12.05 10:48:

> So based on this, when you buy a new TV, and plug it in and find nothing
> to watch, presumably you decide it is not worth the hassle of finding
> out how to actually tune the bugger in ???  ;-)
ROTFL I just imagined a man who buys $5000 plasma TV set ad watches it as it
is - with contrast turned down to minimum. No matter if picture is blurry
and almost invisible - it is plasma - "I don't have to tweak anything" ;-)))

-- 
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Shel Belinkoff]

Salgado has chosen the 645 for his most recent project which takes him all
over the world and into some harsh climates.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: David Mann 

> On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:57 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
>
> > Another proof is in two proffesional Pentax cameras - 645NII and  
> > 67II don't have officially enviromental sealings. Both are designed  
> > and used mainly by field photographers where severe weather  
> > conditions happen quite often ;-)
>
> IIRC Craig Potton (a well-known NZ nature photographer) uses a Pentax  
> 6x7 system, among other cameras of various formats.  Your comment  
> instantly reminded me of this photo:

>
http://cpp.co.nz/Products/published/Posters/postersnative/stormmilfordsound

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Ryan Lee]

Not sure what it might be like in other states, but I've been in Brisbane
for 4 years, and in all that time, every reference to a tinnie referred to
tinnie as in this context:
http://www.biaq.com/content/standard.asp?name=BrisbaneTinnieandTackleShow

Mighty generous of you sir- I'll even shout you a couple of beers if we all
get to go fishing in Kevin's new aluminium boat.. :)'

Cheers,
Ryan

PS. Sorry, couldn't resist.


- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive


> On 30/12/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >sorry, you are correct, it was not omitted but changed, and not for the
> >wireless
> >but for the inclusion of video out connection. The firewire speed was
> >increased
> >from previous speeds (unknown to me) to 100Mbps.
>
> Have a tinnie on me ;-)
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
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>
>
>

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 30/12/05, Ryan Lee, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Not sure what it might be like in other states, but I've been in Brisbane
>for 4 years, and in all that time, every reference to a tinnie referred to
>tinnie as in this context:
>http://www.biaq.com/content/standard.asp?name=BrisbaneTinnieandTackleShow
>
>Mighty generous of you sir- I'll even shout you a couple of beers if we all
>get to go fishing in Kevin's new aluminium boat.. :)'

I'll bring the life-vests - if it's Kevin's boat, he won't have looked
at the instructions!

-->  :-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 30 Dec 2005 at 23:28, Ryan Lee wrote:

> Not sure what it might be like in other states, but I've been in Brisbane
> for 4 years, and in all that time, every reference to a tinnie referred to
> tinnie as in this context:

Maybe it's an age thing, cans haven't always been aluminium :-)

Consider to oft mentioned phrase; a couple of tinnies short of a slab ;-)


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[P. J. Alling]

True, but they were called tin cans when they were mostly made out of 
steel...


Rob Studdert wrote:


On 30 Dec 2005 at 23:28, Ryan Lee wrote:

 


Not sure what it might be like in other states, but I've been in Brisbane
for 4 years, and in all that time, every reference to a tinnie referred to
tinnie as in this context:
   



Maybe it's an age thing, cans haven't always been aluminium :-)

Consider to oft mentioned phrase; a couple of tinnies short of a slab ;-)


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Rob Studdert]

On 30 Dec 2005 at 17:45, P. J. Alling wrote:

> True, but they were called tin cans when they were mostly made out of 
> steel...

Tin plated steel I believe.


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[P. J. Alling]

Originally, but stainless steel cans and mild steel with plastic 
coatings were used later, plastic lined steel is still used for lots of 
things in the US, the food my dog eats comes in mild steel cans, the 
interior has a plastic coating.


Rob Studdert wrote:


On 30 Dec 2005 at 17:45, P. J. Alling wrote:

 

True, but they were called tin cans when they were mostly made out of 
steel...
   



Tin plated steel I believe.


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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" 
Subject: Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive



the food my dog eats comes in mild steel cans, the 
interior has a plastic coating.


His teeth will be healthier if you feed him dry food.

William Robb

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[P. J. Alling]

He gets lots of cookies, and I brush his teeth once a day...  
(I'd say it's fun but sometimes he cooperates some times he doesn't)


William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: Canon 
1Ds MarkII Test Drive



the food my dog eats comes in mild steel cans, the interior has a 
plastic coating.



His teeth will be healthier if you feed him dry food.

William Robb





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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[David Mann]

On Dec 30, 2005, at 10:48 PM, Cotty wrote:


On 30/12/05, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed:


This is out-of-the box, as I use my *istD brightness control.


So based on this, when you buy a new TV, and plug it in and find  
nothing

to watch, presumably you decide it is not worth the hassle of finding
out how to actually tune the bugger in ???  ;-)


My TV came pre-tuned but there's still nothing to watch :(

- Dave

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[David Mann]

On Dec 31, 2005, at 2:28 AM, Ryan Lee wrote:

Not sure what it might be like in other states, but I've been in  
Brisbane
for 4 years, and in all that time, every reference to a tinnie  
referred to

tinnie as in this context:
http://www.biaq.com/content/standard.asp? 
name=BrisbaneTinnieandTackleShow


In these parts a tinnie can refer to a small quantity of an illicit  
drug (usually cannabis) wrapped in foil.  A place that dispenses  
tinnies is called a tinnie house (that sounds quite funny to me).   
They're usually a dodgy old house in a dodgy neighbourhood.  IIRC the  
money and product are exchanged through the mail slot in the door  
(mail slots are only found in older houses - actual mail is placed in  
the letterbox at the end of the driveway).


A can of beer is the more common meaning though... just make sure  
you're at the right party when you ask for one :)


- Dave

Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[Cotty]

On 31/12/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>He gets lots of cookies, and I brush his teeth once a day...  

Gross. My cats just seem to grow new ones or something.




Cheers,
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Re: Canon 1Ds MarkII Test Drive

[P. J. Alling]

I wouldn't want to brush a cats teeth.  Too many possibilities for 
damage, (to me).


Cotty wrote:


On 31/12/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

 

He gets lots of cookies, and I brush his teeth once a day...  
   



Gross. My cats just seem to grow new ones or something.




Cheers,
 Cotty


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