Re: Canon EOS 7D
On Apr 13, 2011, at 11:27 PM, SV Hovland wrote: I posted a picture here a few weeks ago and a friend of me with a Canon EOS 7D took a similar picture. You can download it here (it is 16MB!!) : http://download.heime.org/sfk/IMG_7553%20bruntone%207.jpg Please note that this is not a picture taken by me. Does bruntone have something to do with the sepia hue? My picture is here: http://album.heime.org/album/tur/imgp0038.jpg I think his photo is great and a lot better than mine, but I noticed how much noise and something which looks like noise removal artifacts in it. It is taken at ISO100. He has used a lot of sharpening, which is a possible explanation. His looks a bit overexposed in places, yours looks a little under. Here is a 100% crop of both pictures. From K-5, ISO 80 at the top and from EOS7D, ISO100 at the bottom. http://album.heime.org/album/temporary/7d.jpg I honestly can't tell what is fuzzy from mist, from the glass, the sensor, or processing. To me, it seems to be a really awkward situation for comparing two images, it seems that about all that they have in common is that they were shot in about the same place and were processed to BW. Lenses used are DA18-135 and Sigma 8-16 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Canon EOS 7D
Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Larry Colen [l...@red4est.com] Sendt: 14. april 2011 09:43 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Canon EOS 7D Does bruntone have something to do with the sepia hue? Yes I honestly can't tell what is fuzzy from mist, from the glass, the sensor, or processing. To me, it seems to be a really awkward situation for comparing two images, it seems that about all that they have in common is that they were shot in about the same place and were processed to BW. True, but if you forget about mine and only look at the EOS7D picture, I was surprised of how much noise there seems to be even at ISO100. Perhaps this is a result of some heavy sharpening in the picture, I don't know. At the same time I don't know of any normal thing I could do with a K-5 picture to make noise visible at ISO100. Stig Vidar Hovland -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Canon EOS 7D
My wife disagrees with you, your picture is better. The Canon shot is too over exposed in the foreground and looks like it has been over sharpened for a misty scene.The sepia tone doesn't help the Canon image, neither does the large expanses top and bottom of sepia toned featureless cloud and what looks like builder's rubble due to the sharpening. Apart from that given the difference in focal ranges of the lenses used and the complete inappropriateness of the entire scene for comparing sharpness, I'd just enjoy using excellent equipment to photograph beautiful scenery - at present I'm trying to figure out how I can take a week off work and just drive out of the city with the only goal of stopping to photograph anything interesting/beautiful/ugly (in a pleasant way) that I happen to see. Leon On 14 April 2011 16:27, SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote: I posted a picture here a few weeks ago and a friend of me with a Canon EOS 7D took a similar picture. You can download it here (it is 16MB!!) : http://download.heime.org/sfk/IMG_7553%20bruntone%207.jpg Please note that this is not a picture taken by me. My picture is here: http://album.heime.org/album/tur/imgp0038.jpg I think his photo is great and a lot better than mine, but I noticed how much noise and something which looks like noise removal artifacts in it. It is taken at ISO100. He has used a lot of sharpening, which is a possible explanation. Here is a 100% crop of both pictures. From K-5, ISO 80 at the top and from EOS7D, ISO100 at the bottom. http://album.heime.org/album/temporary/7d.jpg Lenses used are DA18-135 and Sigma 8-16 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Canon EOS 7D
On your main point, I don't see what you refer to as noise in his image. I don't much care for either image. I like yours better, but neither is all that wonderful. It took me a long time carefully looking at a magnified section of the images to make out what is in the jumble of boulders in the foreground; for some time I thought I was seeing blown-out highlights of sun-lit boulders. Then I realized it was blown-out highlights of snow-covered boulders. You have three areas of the images screaming for attention: the foreground boulders, the midground water and hillsides, and the fog above. And oh by the way the lone tree in the middle. Because of the tonality, the three areas compete for my attention rather than leading my eye from one to another. Which is largely why I prefer yours; with less boulder foreground, you have less competition from that area and the other elements have an easier time fighting with one another. I think both images would be much improved if the boulder field was in focus and if the exposure were adjusted so that the snow cover on the boulders looked like snow. I also think that this is a very tough scene to capture because of the wide EV range and the complexity of the scene. And returning to your main point, again I don't see what you are referring to as noise in his image. I didn't find anything in focus, and there seems to be some camera movement, but I don't see noise. stan On Apr 14, 2011, at 2:27 AM, SV Hovland wrote: I posted a picture here a few weeks ago and a friend of me with a Canon EOS 7D took a similar picture. You can download it here (it is 16MB!!) : http://download.heime.org/sfk/IMG_7553%20bruntone%207.jpg Please note that this is not a picture taken by me. My picture is here: http://album.heime.org/album/tur/imgp0038.jpg I think his photo is great and a lot better than mine, but I noticed how much noise and something which looks like noise removal artifacts in it. It is taken at ISO100. He has used a lot of sharpening, which is a possible explanation. Here is a 100% crop of both pictures. From K-5, ISO 80 at the top and from EOS7D, ISO100 at the bottom. http://album.heime.org/album/temporary/7d.jpg Lenses used are DA18-135 and Sigma 8-16 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Canon EOS 7D
Thanks for feedback and it was interesting to read. I cannot see any blown-out highlights on my screen. But I agree with you on the other comments you made. Regarding my picture, I think it's too dark. This is already pointed out by a few members here. Stig Vidar Hovland Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Stan Halpin [s...@stans-photography.info] Sendt: 14. april 2011 14:19 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Canon EOS 7D On your main point, I don't see what you refer to as noise in his image. I don't much care for either image. I like yours better, but neither is all that wonderful. It took me a long time carefully looking at a magnified section of the images to make out what is in the jumble of boulders in the foreground; for some time I thought I was seeing blown-out highlights of sun-lit boulders. Then I realized it was blown-out highlights of snow-covered boulders. You have three areas of the images screaming for attention: the foreground boulders, the midground water and hillsides, and the fog above. And oh by the way the lone tree in the middle. Because of the tonality, the three areas compete for my attention rather than leading my eye from one to another. Which is largely why I prefer yours; with less boulder foreground, you have less competition from that area and the other elements have an easier time fighting with one another. I think both images would be much improved if the boulder field was in focus and if the exposure were adjusted so that the snow cover on the boulders looked like snow. I also think that this is a very tough scene to capture because of the wide EV range and the complexity of the scene. And returning to your main point, again I don't see what you are referring to as noise in his image. I didn't find anything in focus, and there seems to be some camera movement, but I don't see noise. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Canon EOS 7D
On Apr 14, 2011, at 7:19, Stan Halpin wrote: On your main point, I don't see what you refer to as noise in his image. Same here... And returning to your main point, again I don't see what you are referring to as noise in his image. I didn't find anything in focus, and there seems to be some camera movement, but I don't see noise. I had that problem as well. It's fuzzy and WY over-processed. Those are my main complaints with this image. My thoughts as I looked at it were: what the hell was he THINKING? You can download it here (it is 16MB!!) : http://download.heime.org/sfk/IMG_7553%20bruntone%207.jpg Please note that this is not a picture taken by me. My picture is here: http://album.heime.org/album/tur/imgp0038.jpg I prefer your image merely because it does not look nearly as manipulated as his. More detail, too. But I don't think it's the fault of his camera that his 15-meg (!!) image has less information than your. I think he cooked/worked/fiddled with it to its detriment. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Canon EOS 7D
Maybe you listen to much to the canonized brotherhood and to little to your real friends (read us, the good guys) ;-) I'm kind of serious when saying this. I don't see any distracting noise in your picture, and I don't see any realistic details in the other one. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2011/4/14 SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org: I posted a picture here a few weeks ago and a friend of me with a Canon EOS 7D took a similar picture. You can download it here (it is 16MB!!) : http://download.heime.org/sfk/IMG_7553%20bruntone%207.jpg Please note that this is not a picture taken by me. My picture is here: http://album.heime.org/album/tur/imgp0038.jpg I think his photo is great and a lot better than mine, but I noticed how much noise and something which looks like noise removal artifacts in it. It is taken at ISO100. He has used a lot of sharpening, which is a possible explanation. Here is a 100% crop of both pictures. From K-5, ISO 80 at the top and from EOS7D, ISO100 at the bottom. http://album.heime.org/album/temporary/7d.jpg Lenses used are DA18-135 and Sigma 8-16 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Canon EOS 7D
2011/4/14 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: Maybe you listen to much to the canonized brotherhood and to little to your real friends (read us, the good guys) ;-) I'm kind of serious when saying this. I don't see any distracting noise in your picture, and I don't see any realistic details in the other one. That about sums up my thoughts as well. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
