Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
I have very few problems with the AF360FGZ or AF140C on the *istD. As good as with the MZ-S. Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] My AF400T is reasonably good on TTL with the *istD, although I have to say it is a bit better on the LX. Paul
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, William Robb wrote: Shot within 20 seconds or so of each other.. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/PDMLtemp/ I have all sympathy for any kind of malfunctioning the camera suffered. I would have blown a transistor or three in its place. Not an expert in anything, but I think you have too much space to fill with the flash. Did you get TTL-flash confirmation in the first one for example? The pro in a friend's wedding in October was using a Nikon D. He told me that flash is all over the place. Kostas
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
Don Sanderson a écrit : I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400. I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject. Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit. At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly* overexposed. What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual? What does one do in this situation? TIA Don Maybe the prob come from Pentax using only old CW with flash rather than modern way of metering light? -- Thibs
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
- Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis Subject: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? Not an expert in anything, but I think you have too much space to fill with the flash. Did you get TTL-flash confirmation in the first one for example? I'm not an expert either, but I know that my Metz 60 flash is dead on accurate if using it's internal sensor, TTL is not bad with the LX, or Super Program, is very good with the MZ-5, and is all over the place with the istD. The situation I was shooting should have been doable with the equipment I was using. William Robb
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
- Original Message - From: Thibs Subject: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? Maybe the prob come from Pentax using only old CW with flash rather than modern way of metering light? Get real. My 20 year old LX (centre weighted) is more accurate than my istD. My Super program (centre weighted) was more accurate than my istD. My wife's MZ-5 (not the newer MZ-5n) is more accurate than my istD. I am of the opinion that the problem is the new technology isn't as reliable as the old. William Robb
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
My AF400T is reasonably good on TTL with the *istD, although I have to say it is a bit better on the LX. Paul - Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis Subject: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? Not an expert in anything, but I think you have too much space to fill with the flash. Did you get TTL-flash confirmation in the first one for example? I'm not an expert either, but I know that my Metz 60 flash is dead on accurate if using it's internal sensor, TTL is not bad with the LX, or Super Program, is very good with the MZ-5, and is all over the place with the istD. The situation I was shooting should have been doable with the equipment I was using. William Robb
RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
I have made some test shots (emailed to a list member) with my *ist D and the AF500FTZ flash, using TTL-flash metering. I have used P, P(Tv), P(Av) and M settings. And quite frankly, I can't seem to get one faulty exposure no matter what I do, except perhaps from shots where the flash is out of range (long distance). I have even tried to set the camera to Auto Sensivity Correction if out of range - which means auto ISO setting if necessary. This didn't cause any bad exposures either - I still got good exposures. All shots were very usable and the exposure would at the most be perhaps 0.3 or stop or less off. How come? What am I doing wrong here? What must I do to get some wrong exposures, like everyone else seem to get? Am I the only one who has a *ist D, that works just like most other Pentax cameras, manufactured after 1983 (P-series exempted)? I guess I'll have to do more tests with different flashes. If I'm lucky I may be able to get bad exposures too. I would really hate to be the only one on the list who own a Pentax *ist D, that does TTL-flash flawlessly! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. december 2004 00:21 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? It does. Z-1/Z1p did too. I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and the *ist D. My *ist D works pretty much exactly like any other TTL-flash system I have used (Super A, PZ-1/PZ-1p and MZ-S). I have noticed small diffrerences depending on which FLASH I use. My AF280T over exposes just a little, but my all my different Metz flahses hit bulls eye IMO. So I can't really complanin about the camera. Works fine for me! Could there be any custom setting, that will influence this - perhaps an auto sensivity (ISO) setting ? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:11 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400. I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject. Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit. At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly* overexposed. What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual? What does one do in this situation? Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style. William Robb
RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
Jens, I'm with you. I have not had one bad exposure (that wasn't my fault; out of range, too small an aperture) with the ist D and flash. -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jens Bladt wrote on 12/3/2004, 2:33 PM: I have made some test shots (emailed to a list member) with my *ist D and the AF500FTZ flash, using TTL-flash metering. I have used P, P(Tv), P(Av) and M settings. And quite frankly, I can't seem to get one faulty exposure no matter what I do, except perhaps from shots where the flash is out of range (long distance). I have even tried to set the camera to Auto Sensivity Correction if out of range - which means auto ISO setting if necessary. This didn't cause any bad exposures either - I still got good exposures. All shots were very usable and the exposure would at the most be perhaps 0.3 or stop or less off. How come? What am I doing wrong here? What must I do to get some wrong exposures, like everyone else seem to get? Am I the only one who has a *ist D, that works just like most other Pentax cameras, manufactured after 1983 (P-series exempted)? I guess I'll have to do more tests with different flashes. If I'm lucky I may be able to get bad exposures too. I would really hate to be the only one on the list who own a Pentax *ist D, that does TTL-flash flawlessly! Jens Bladt
RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
Thank God, Christan! Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. december 2004 20:40 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? Jens, I'm with you. I have not had one bad exposure (that wasn't my fault; out of range, too small an aperture) with the ist D and flash. -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jens Bladt wrote on 12/3/2004, 2:33 PM: I have made some test shots (emailed to a list member) with my *ist D and the AF500FTZ flash, using TTL-flash metering. I have used P, P(Tv), P(Av) and M settings. And quite frankly, I can't seem to get one faulty exposure no matter what I do, except perhaps from shots where the flash is out of range (long distance). I have even tried to set the camera to Auto Sensivity Correction if out of range - which means auto ISO setting if necessary. This didn't cause any bad exposures either - I still got good exposures. All shots were very usable and the exposure would at the most be perhaps 0.3 or stop or less off. How come? What am I doing wrong here? What must I do to get some wrong exposures, like everyone else seem to get? Am I the only one who has a *ist D, that works just like most other Pentax cameras, manufactured after 1983 (P-series exempted)? I guess I'll have to do more tests with different flashes. If I'm lucky I may be able to get bad exposures too. I would really hate to be the only one on the list who own a Pentax *ist D, that does TTL-flash flawlessly! Jens Bladt
RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
Jens, see what luck you have with the built in flash. I'll duplicate the tests with the 360 and the 500 and see what happens. (Thanks for the samples) Don -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I have made some test shots (emailed to a list member) with my *ist D and the AF500FTZ flash, using TTL-flash metering. I have used P, P(Tv), P(Av) and M settings. And quite frankly, I can't seem to get one faulty exposure no matter what I do, except perhaps from shots where the flash is out of range (long distance). I have even tried to set the camera to Auto Sensivity Correction if out of range - which means auto ISO setting if necessary. This didn't cause any bad exposures either - I still got good exposures. All shots were very usable and the exposure would at the most be perhaps 0.3 or stop or less off. How come? What am I doing wrong here? What must I do to get some wrong exposures, like everyone else seem to get? Am I the only one who has a *ist D, that works just like most other Pentax cameras, manufactured after 1983 (P-series exempted)? I guess I'll have to do more tests with different flashes. If I'm lucky I may be able to get bad exposures too. I would really hate to be the only one on the list who own a Pentax *ist D, that does TTL-flash flawlessly! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. december 2004 00:21 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? It does. Z-1/Z1p did too. I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and the *ist D. My *ist D works pretty much exactly like any other TTL-flash system I have used (Super A, PZ-1/PZ-1p and MZ-S). I have noticed small diffrerences depending on which FLASH I use. My AF280T over exposes just a little, but my all my different Metz flahses hit bulls eye IMO. So I can't really complanin about the camera. Works fine for me! Could there be any custom setting, that will influence this - perhaps an auto sensivity (ISO) setting ? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:11 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400. I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject. Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit. At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly* overexposed. What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual? What does one do in this situation? Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style. William Robb
RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
I Just tried the RTF: Same result, just a bit greater variations, thoug. I got one tiny overexposure (still within the acceptable) at f4 (open). This is not an issue to me. I would never use the RTF for anything else than a fill in flash. Never as the main light source (I own more TTL flashes than cameras). Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. december 2004 20:57 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? Jens, see what luck you have with the built in flash. I'll duplicate the tests with the 360 and the 500 and see what happens. (Thanks for the samples) Don -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I have made some test shots (emailed to a list member) with my *ist D and the AF500FTZ flash, using TTL-flash metering. I have used P, P(Tv), P(Av) and M settings. And quite frankly, I can't seem to get one faulty exposure no matter what I do, except perhaps from shots where the flash is out of range (long distance). I have even tried to set the camera to Auto Sensivity Correction if out of range - which means auto ISO setting if necessary. This didn't cause any bad exposures either - I still got good exposures. All shots were very usable and the exposure would at the most be perhaps 0.3 or stop or less off. How come? What am I doing wrong here? What must I do to get some wrong exposures, like everyone else seem to get? Am I the only one who has a *ist D, that works just like most other Pentax cameras, manufactured after 1983 (P-series exempted)? I guess I'll have to do more tests with different flashes. If I'm lucky I may be able to get bad exposures too. I would really hate to be the only one on the list who own a Pentax *ist D, that does TTL-flash flawlessly! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. december 2004 00:21 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? It does. Z-1/Z1p did too. I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and the *ist D. My *ist D works pretty much exactly like any other TTL-flash system I have used (Super A, PZ-1/PZ-1p and MZ-S). I have noticed small diffrerences depending on which FLASH I use. My AF280T over exposes just a little, but my all my different Metz flahses hit bulls eye IMO. So I can't really complanin about the camera. Works fine for me! Could there be any custom setting, that will influence this - perhaps an auto sensivity (ISO) setting ? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:11 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400. I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject. Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit. At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly* overexposed. What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual? What does one do in this situation? Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style. William Robb
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual? Exactly my experience... however I've found that it's generally pretty accurate. It's just those few situations where it refuses to cooperate! What does one do in this situation? If you're using the inbuilt flash... cover part of it up or similar. If using an off-camera flash, point it partly away for example... pretty crude but hey, what's the review screen for (-:
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
- Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400. I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject. Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit. At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly* overexposed. What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual? What does one do in this situation? Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style. William Robb
RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
It does. Z-1/Z1p did too. I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and the *ist D. My *ist D works pretty much exactly like any other TTL-flash system I have used (Super A, PZ-1/PZ-1p and MZ-S). I have noticed small diffrerences depending on which FLASH I use. My AF280T over exposes just a little, but my all my different Metz flahses hit bulls eye IMO. So I can't really complanin about the camera. Works fine for me! Could there be any custom setting, that will influence this - perhaps an auto sensivity (ISO) setting ? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:11 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400. I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject. Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit. At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly* overexposed. What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual? What does one do in this situation? Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style. William Robb
RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
Jens, have you tried this in Manual mode with an M lens on the D? I'll look around in the setup and see what I can find. I saw NO exposure difference over 5 stops! Don -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? It does. Z-1/Z1p did too. I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and the *ist D. My *ist D works pretty much exactly like any other TTL-flash system I have used (Super A, PZ-1/PZ-1p and MZ-S). I have noticed small diffrerences depending on which FLASH I use. My AF280T over exposes just a little, but my all my different Metz flahses hit bulls eye IMO. So I can't really complanin about the camera. Works fine for me! Could there be any custom setting, that will influence this - perhaps an auto sensivity (ISO) setting ? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:11 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400. I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject. Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit. At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly* overexposed. What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual? What does one do in this situation? Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style. William Robb
RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
Just to make sure it wasn't lack of caffiene this morning, I tried this again. This time at f8/150th, ISO 400, 10ft (3 Meter) distance. Built in flash, Manual mode, f8 set via aperture ring. The histogram at -3.0 EC is virtually identical to the one at +3.0 EC. Wierd! Don -Original Message- From: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? Jens, have you tried this in Manual mode with an M lens on the D? I'll look around in the setup and see what I can find. I saw NO exposure difference over 5 stops! Don -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? It does. Z-1/Z1p did too. I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and the *ist D. My *ist D works pretty much exactly like any other TTL-flash system I have used (Super A, PZ-1/PZ-1p and MZ-S). I have noticed small diffrerences depending on which FLASH I use. My AF280T over exposes just a little, but my all my different Metz flahses hit bulls eye IMO. So I can't really complanin about the camera. Works fine for me! Could there be any custom setting, that will influence this - perhaps an auto sensivity (ISO) setting ? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 2. december 2004 23:11 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I just took a series of shots using an M type lens at f5.6 and TTL flash on the D in Manual Mode at 1/150 second and ISO 400. I was about 4.5ft (1.5M) from the subject. Used the pop up flash, room was very dimly lit. At EC settings from -2.5 to +2.5 all of the shots are *uniformly* overexposed. What gives, does EC not affect TTL flash in manual? What does one do in this situation? Welcome to the wonderful world of TTL flash, Pentax style. William Robb
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and the *ist D. Shot within 20 seconds or so of each other.. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/PDMLtemp/ This is typical of how Pentax TTL flash exposure works for me. You will note the exposure is correct in one of the four pictures. William Robb
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
What's this? I can't believe my lens. Wow! Oh, I'm supposed to be setting the exposure. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? I don't understand all this exposure failure talk about the TTL-flash and the *ist D. Shot within 20 seconds or so of each other.. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/PDMLtemp/ This is typical of how Pentax TTL flash exposure works for me. You will note the exposure is correct in one of the four pictures. William Robb
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
- Original Message - From: Graywolf Subject: Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D? What's this? I can't believe my lens. Wow! Oh, I'm supposed to be setting the exposure. Right. This stupid calender is being both lots of fun, and at the same time, one of the dumbest things I have ever been involved in. William Robb
Re: EC with TTL Flash on ist D?
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:42:15 -0600, William Robb wrote: You will note the exposure is correct in one of the four pictures. I could live with two of the exposures. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
