Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-28 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com 

Yeah, we only have bottles nowadays.

:-)

cheers,
frank 


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From: John Sessoms 
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From: frank theriault

> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:29 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>
>
>> They always hold them in some place that's on everyone's "Gee I'd sure like
>> to visit that place someday" list.
> 
>
> You've never been to Toronto, have you John?

Not since they did away with the draft.

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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-28 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com 
Yeah, we only have bottles nowadays.

;-)

cheers,
frank

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From: frank theriault

> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:29 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>
>
>> They always hold them in some place that's on everyone's "Gee I'd sure like
>> to visit that place someday" list.
> 
>
> You've never been to Toronto, have you John?

Not since they did away with the draft.

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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-28 Thread John Sessoms 

From: frank theriault


On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:29 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:



They always hold them in some place that's on everyone's "Gee I'd sure like
to visit that place someday" list.



You've never been to Toronto, have you John?


Not since they did away with the draft.

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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-27 Thread frank theriault 
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:29 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:


> They always hold them in some place that's on everyone's "Gee I'd sure like
> to visit that place someday" list.


You've never been to Toronto, have you John?

;-)

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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-27 Thread John Sessoms 

From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com"

I think I agree with you.

That scares me.



Seriously, I've wondered if they hold things like G20 because they
~want~ the violence, they ~want~ the brutal crackdowns, they want to
send out a message to the general population that you have to toe the
line or you'll get stomped like these hapless protesters. I know it
sounds very "conspiracy theory" but I can't think of any other reason
they'd keep doing this.


They always hold them in some place that's on everyone's "Gee I'd sure 
like to visit that place someday" list.


It's all 5-star hotels, luxury dining & visits to important cultural 
landmarks - conducted in the media spotlight so they can project an 
illusion they're actually doing *IMPORTANT THINGS* and not just goofing 
off, taking another paid vacation on the taxpayer's dime.


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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-27 Thread David J Brooks 
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:02 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Thanks, Steve. You're the only person to comment on the photos.

I thought i did, maybe not.

So, nice set of photos Frank. B&W do the mood justice here.

Dave
>
> I'm not sure what that says.
>
> ;-)
>
> I appreciate your thoughts.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
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> From: steve harley 
> Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
>
> on 2011-11-25 15:00 frank theriault wrote
>> So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html
>
> very nice documentation, Frank; you've captured some of the sad dilemma as 
> well
> as the physical situation
>
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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele 



On 11/26/2011 22:04, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

I didn't really think of what my role was, I just wanted to take pictures.


MARK!

Very fine photojournalism, Frank

 - I'm so crowd shy in my dotage I've totally stayed away from the 
action here - not like back in May 1970 when I was part of it :-)


ann


However thanks for the kind words.

Cheers,
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From: Tim Bray
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It says the photos were a window on the events that was so transparent
that people were led to discuss the events not their representation.
For a photojournalist, that would represent success.  So it depends
how you think of your role.

  -T

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:02 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
  wrote:

Thanks, Steve. You're the only person to comment on the photos.

I'm not sure what that says.

;-)

I appreciate your thoughts.

Cheers,
frank



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From: steve harley
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on 2011-11-25 15:00 frank theriault wrote

So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html


very nice documentation, Frank; you've captured some of the sad dilemma as well
as the physical situation



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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com 
I think I agree with you.

That scares me.

;-)

Seriously, I've wondered if they hold things like G20 because they ~want~ the 
violence, they ~want~ the brutal crackdowns, they want to send out a message to 
the general population that you have to toe the line or you'll get stomped like 
these hapless protesters. I know it sounds very "conspiracy theory" but I can't 
think of any other reason they'd keep doing this.

Cheers,
frank

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From: "P. J. Alling" 
Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
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Sadly the G20 seems to serve no purpose except to attract trouble, and 
give our civil masters an excuse to spend borrowed taxpayer money.  
Nothing of substance has ever come out of one of these conferences that 
couldn't have been achieved through normal diplomatic channels.  Hell 
most civilized countries and quite a few that barely qualify have 
expensive diplomatic corps that could easily accomplish as little as a 
G20 conference as part of their regular operations.


On 11/26/2011 10:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> You're right Steve, it is very complicated.
>
> Toronto's G20 last year was a debacle for many reasons: imported rent-a-cops, 
> along with the use of known local hot-head cops in situations that needed 
> cool heads and measured response. That, combined with professional 
> provocateurs, radicals and terrorists from around the world and you've got a 
> problem brewing.
>
> Add ineffectual leadership, use of an archaic and likely unconstitutional WW 
> II era anti-assembly law with suspension of civil liberties and you've got a 
> huge problem. Then make it all worse by subsequent stonewalling and cover-ups 
> by cops and politicos alike and you've got G 20.
>
> The occupy movement stayed local because every city had its own. Local cops 
> were mostly pretty good during G20, but still stinging from criticism and 
> embarrassed by the actions of a few, they really showed admirable restraint 
> during recent "evictions".
>
> I'm saddened when I see the violence that took place in the US, but I don't 
> think it's a Canada/US dichotomy. Yes, we look better wrt Occupy, but we 
> can't hold our heads too high this soon after G 20.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: steve harley
> Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
>
> on 2011-11-25 17:13 William Robb wrote
>> It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed without
>> the overarching police brutality that has been so common south of the border.
>> It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference between
>> right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from the way they
>> behaved at the G20).
> i think it's a little more complicated than that; yes, there are some
> provocateurs in the US occupations; hard to avoid when there is no real
> hierarchy ... but the police (federally supplied and trained on anti-terrorism
> tactics they have been itching to use) seem to have been touched by an
> escalative effect from how the authorities are coordinating their repression,
> compounded perhaps by the fear and lack of savvy of many of the local
> politicians who ultimately decide how to react to each occupation; here in
> Denver, both the moderate mayor and moderate governor have directed the
> crackdown, and both are terribly afraid of the center drifting right in next
> election
>
> in any case the physical "occupation" part of OWS is only tactical, and the
> attention must be transformed now if they are to extend the awareness the
> public is gaining about the underlying issues; it also remains to be seen how
> well corpse money can "fix" it
>
> i was struck by this article, even if some of the conclusions are hard to 
> swallow:
>
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy>
>


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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread P. J. Alling 
Sadly the G20 seems to serve no purpose except to attract trouble, and 
give our civil masters an excuse to spend borrowed taxpayer money.  
Nothing of substance has ever come out of one of these conferences that 
couldn't have been achieved through normal diplomatic channels.  Hell 
most civilized countries and quite a few that barely qualify have 
expensive diplomatic corps that could easily accomplish as little as a 
G20 conference as part of their regular operations.



On 11/26/2011 10:01 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

You're right Steve, it is very complicated.

Toronto's G20 last year was a debacle for many reasons: imported rent-a-cops, 
along with the use of known local hot-head cops in situations that needed cool 
heads and measured response. That, combined with professional provocateurs, 
radicals and terrorists from around the world and you've got a problem brewing.

Add ineffectual leadership, use of an archaic and likely unconstitutional WW II 
era anti-assembly law with suspension of civil liberties and you've got a huge 
problem. Then make it all worse by subsequent stonewalling and cover-ups by 
cops and politicos alike and you've got G 20.

The occupy movement stayed local because every city had its own. Local cops were mostly 
pretty good during G20, but still stinging from criticism and embarrassed by the actions 
of a few, they really showed admirable restraint during recent "evictions".

I'm saddened when I see the violence that took place in the US, but I don't 
think it's a Canada/US dichotomy. Yes, we look better wrt Occupy, but we can't 
hold our heads too high this soon after G 20.

cheers,
frank

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From: steve harley
Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

on 2011-11-25 17:13 William Robb wrote

It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed without
the overarching police brutality that has been so common south of the border.
It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference between
right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from the way they
behaved at the G20).

i think it's a little more complicated than that; yes, there are some
provocateurs in the US occupations; hard to avoid when there is no real
hierarchy ... but the police (federally supplied and trained on anti-terrorism
tactics they have been itching to use) seem to have been touched by an
escalative effect from how the authorities are coordinating their repression,
compounded perhaps by the fear and lack of savvy of many of the local
politicians who ultimately decide how to react to each occupation; here in
Denver, both the moderate mayor and moderate governor have directed the
crackdown, and both are terribly afraid of the center drifting right in next
election

in any case the physical "occupation" part of OWS is only tactical, and the
attention must be transformed now if they are to extend the awareness the
public is gaining about the underlying issues; it also remains to be seen how
well corpse money can "fix" it

i was struck by this article, even if some of the conclusions are hard to 
swallow:

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy>




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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com 
I didn't really think of what my role was, I just wanted to take pictures.

However thanks for the kind words.

Cheers,
frank

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From: Tim Bray 
Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
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Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

It says the photos were a window on the events that was so transparent
that people were led to discuss the events not their representation.
For a photojournalist, that would represent success.  So it depends
how you think of your role.

 -T

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:02 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Thanks, Steve. You're the only person to comment on the photos.
>
> I'm not sure what that says.
>
> ;-)
>
> I appreciate your thoughts.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: steve harley 
> Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
>
> on 2011-11-25 15:00 frank theriault wrote
>> So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html
>
> very nice documentation, Frank; you've captured some of the sad dilemma as 
> well
> as the physical situation
>
>
>
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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com 
You're right Steve, it is very complicated.

Toronto's G20 last year was a debacle for many reasons: imported rent-a-cops, 
along with the use of known local hot-head cops in situations that needed cool 
heads and measured response. That, combined with professional provocateurs, 
radicals and terrorists from around the world and you've got a problem brewing. 

Add ineffectual leadership, use of an archaic and likely unconstitutional WW II 
era anti-assembly law with suspension of civil liberties and you've got a huge 
problem. Then make it all worse by subsequent stonewalling and cover-ups by 
cops and politicos alike and you've got G 20.

The occupy movement stayed local because every city had its own. Local cops 
were mostly pretty good during G20, but still stinging from criticism and 
embarrassed by the actions of a few, they really showed admirable restraint 
during recent "evictions".

I'm saddened when I see the violence that took place in the US, but I don't 
think it's a Canada/US dichotomy. Yes, we look better wrt Occupy, but we can't 
hold our heads too high this soon after G 20.

cheers,
frank

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From: steve harley 
Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

on 2011-11-25 17:13 William Robb wrote
> It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed without
> the overarching police brutality that has been so common south of the border.
> It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference between
> right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from the way they
> behaved at the G20).

i think it's a little more complicated than that; yes, there are some 
provocateurs in the US occupations; hard to avoid when there is no real 
hierarchy ... but the police (federally supplied and trained on anti-terrorism 
tactics they have been itching to use) seem to have been touched by an 
escalative effect from how the authorities are coordinating their repression, 
compounded perhaps by the fear and lack of savvy of many of the local 
politicians who ultimately decide how to react to each occupation; here in 
Denver, both the moderate mayor and moderate governor have directed the 
crackdown, and both are terribly afraid of the center drifting right in next 
election

in any case the physical "occupation" part of OWS is only tactical, and the 
attention must be transformed now if they are to extend the awareness the 
public is gaining about the underlying issues; it also remains to be seen how 
well corpse money can "fix" it

i was struck by this article, even if some of the conclusions are hard to 
swallow:

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy>

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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com 
I knew that (despite my rather serious-sounding post).

See my reply to Christine, above.

Cheers,
frank

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From: John Sessoms 
Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
To: pdml@pdml.net
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From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com"

> I don't think it's so much whether phone cams are the real deal or
> not. I would have much preferred having a dslr or other better camera
> with me. However the Android was the only camera I had; it beat the
> hell out of no camera at all. Just as right now, on the shores of
> Lake Ontario, it's the best e-mail device I have.
> cheers ,
> frank
>

I was being flippant responding to Bob's "uses a phone camera!"

http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/photography/photography-guides/the-camera-phone-book

>> --- Original Message --- From: John Sessoms 
>> Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
>> To: pdml@pdml.net Subject:
>> Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
>>
>> From: Bob Sullivan
>>
>> Yah, but he can't be a real photographer if he uses a phone camera!
>> Regards, Bob S.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> It wasn't easy to get used to having Frank submit sharp pix, then
>>> color pix, then nature and scenic pix (!) either. ?The man just keeps
>>> challenging us.
>
> I'll believe phone cameras are the real deal when National Geographic
> puts out a photo book of phone camera photos.



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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread John Sessoms 

on 2011-11-25 17:13 William Robb wrote

It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed without
the overarching police brutality that has been so common south of the border.
It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference between
right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from the way they
behaved at the G20).


i think it's a little more complicated than that; yes, there are some
provocateurs in the US occupations; hard to avoid when there is no real
hierarchy ...


Indeed. And it is often difficult to determine whose interests they 
truly serve.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread John Sessoms 

From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com"


I don't think it's so much whether phone cams are the real deal or
not. I would have much preferred having a dslr or other better camera
with me. However the Android was the only camera I had; it beat the
hell out of no camera at all. Just as right now, on the shores of
Lake Ontario, it's the best e-mail device I have.
cheers ,
frank



I was being flippant responding to Bob's "uses a phone camera!"

http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/photography/photography-guides/the-camera-phone-book


--- Original Message --- From: John Sessoms 
Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
To: pdml@pdml.net Subject:
Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

From: Bob Sullivan

Yah, but he can't be a real photographer if he uses a phone camera!
Regards, Bob S.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:

It wasn't easy to get used to having Frank submit sharp pix, then
color pix, then nature and scenic pix (!) either. ?The man just keeps
challenging us.


I'll believe phone cameras are the real deal when National Geographic
puts out a photo book of phone camera photos.




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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread Tim Bray 
It says the photos were a window on the events that was so transparent
that people were led to discuss the events not their representation.
For a photojournalist, that would represent success.  So it depends
how you think of your role.

 -T

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:02 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
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> Thanks, Steve. You're the only person to comment on the photos.
>
> I'm not sure what that says.
>
> ;-)
>
> I appreciate your thoughts.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
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> From: steve harley 
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> Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
>
> on 2011-11-25 15:00 frank theriault wrote
>> So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html
>
> very nice documentation, Frank; you've captured some of the sad dilemma as 
> well
> as the physical situation
>
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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com 
Thanks, Steve. You're the only person to comment on the photos.

I'm not sure what that says.

;-)

I appreciate your thoughts.

Cheers,
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on 2011-11-25 15:00 frank theriault wrote
> So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html

very nice documentation, Frank; you've captured some of the sad dilemma as well 
as the physical situation



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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread P. J. Alling 

On 11/26/2011 4:46 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2011-11-25 17:13 William Robb wrote
It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed 
without
the overarching police brutality that has been so common south of the 
border.
It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference 
between
right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from the way 
they

behaved at the G20).


i think it's a little more complicated than that; yes, there are some 
provocateurs in the US occupations; hard to avoid when there is no 
real hierarchy ... but the police (federally supplied and trained on 
anti-terrorism tactics they have been itching to use) seem to have 
been touched by an escalative effect from how the authorities are 
coordinating their repression, compounded perhaps by the fear and lack 
of savvy of many of the local politicians who ultimately decide how to 
react to each occupation; here in Denver, both the moderate mayor and 
moderate governor have directed the crackdown, and both are terribly 
afraid of the center drifting right in next election


I think it's a bit too late for that worry, it's already happened.



in any case the physical "occupation" part of OWS is only tactical, 
and the attention must be transformed now if they are to extend the 
awareness the public is gaining about the underlying issues; it also 
remains to be seen how well corpse money can "fix" it


I doubt these people could  raise awareness in anyone else as they seem 
to totally unaware to begin with.  That's not a political statement just 
of fact.  The politicians who had hoped to ride this particular tiger, 
are finding out that it's more like a flock of birds, in the shape of a 
tiger, there's nothing to ride.


No matter what you might think of the Tea Party, the participants had 
two actual aims, lower taxes and, less government. What occupy wall 
street seems to be for is attacking those who seem to be fat cats, but 
they seem to be unable to identify who Wall Street is.  The fat cats 
they've actually protested, until they actually began protesting in 
front of Bloomberg's home in New York, had little of nothing to do with 
stocks or banking, and they protested Bloomberg because he was the 
Mayor.   The most cogent demand I've seen so far is forgiveness of 
student loans.  Hardly a populist stance.


i was struck by this article, even if some of the conclusions are hard 
to swallow:


 






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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread steve harley 

on 2011-11-25 17:13 William Robb wrote

It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed without
the overarching police brutality that has been so common south of the border.
It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference between
right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from the way they
behaved at the G20).


i think it's a little more complicated than that; yes, there are some 
provocateurs in the US occupations; hard to avoid when there is no real 
hierarchy ... but the police (federally supplied and trained on anti-terrorism 
tactics they have been itching to use) seem to have been touched by an 
escalative effect from how the authorities are coordinating their repression, 
compounded perhaps by the fear and lack of savvy of many of the local 
politicians who ultimately decide how to react to each occupation; here in 
Denver, both the moderate mayor and moderate governor have directed the 
crackdown, and both are terribly afraid of the center drifting right in next 
election


in any case the physical "occupation" part of OWS is only tactical, and the 
attention must be transformed now if they are to extend the awareness the 
public is gaining about the underlying issues; it also remains to be seen how 
well corpse money can "fix" it


i was struck by this article, even if some of the conclusions are hard to 
swallow:



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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread steve harley 

on 2011-11-25 15:00 frank theriault wrote

So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html


very nice documentation, Frank; you've captured some of the sad dilemma as well 
as the physical situation




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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com 
I took no offence whatsoever.  ;-)

My comment was directed to John and his Nat'l Geo jibe - which I took to be in 
good fun.

Cheers, 
frank, thrilled to be taking pix of grebes as I send this

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From: Christine Aguila 
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I don't think anyone is objecting to the use of a phone camera, Frank;  just 
remarking on you starting to use one, which there is nothing wrong with.   My 
comment was meant in a friendly way and with great PDML affection. :-)  I use a 
phone camera myself every now and then.  Big Cheers Christine/Chicago



On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:12 PM, "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
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> would have much preferred having a dslr or other better camera with me. 
> However the Android was the only camera I had; it beat the hell out of no 
> camera at all. Just as right now, on the shores  of Lake Ontario, it's the 
> best e-mail device I have.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> cheers ,
> frank 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: John Sessoms 
> Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
> 
> From: Bob Sullivan
> 
>> Yah, but he can't be a real photographer if he uses a phone camera!
>> Regards, Bob S.
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> It wasn't easy to get used to having Frank submit sharp pix, then
>>> color pix, then nature and scenic pix (!) either. ?The man just keeps
>>> challenging us.
> 
> I'll believe phone cameras are the real deal when National Geographic 
> puts out a photo book of phone camera photos.
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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread Christine Aguila 
I don't think anyone is objecting to the use of a phone camera, Frank;  just 
remarking on you starting to use one, which there is nothing wrong with.   My 
comment was meant in a friendly way and with great PDML affection. :-)  I use a 
phone camera myself every now and then.  Big Cheers Christine/Chicago



On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:12 PM, "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
 wrote:

> I don't think it's so much whether phone cams are the real deal or not. I 
> would have much preferred having a dslr or other better camera with me. 
> However the Android was the only camera I had; it beat the hell out of no 
> camera at all. Just as right now, on the shores  of Lake Ontario, it's the 
> best e-mail device I have.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> cheers ,
> frank 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: John Sessoms 
> Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
> 
> From: Bob Sullivan
> 
>> Yah, but he can't be a real photographer if he uses a phone camera!
>> Regards, Bob S.
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> It wasn't easy to get used to having Frank submit sharp pix, then
>>> color pix, then nature and scenic pix (!) either. ?The man just keeps
>>> challenging us.
> 
> I'll believe phone cameras are the real deal when National Geographic 
> puts out a photo book of phone camera photos.
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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com 
I don't think it's so much whether phone cams are the real deal or not. I would 
have much preferred having a dslr or other better camera with me. However the 
Android was the only camera I had; it beat the hell out of no camera at all. 
Just as right now, on the shores  of Lake Ontario, it's the best e-mail device 
I have.

;-)

cheers ,
frank 

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From: John Sessoms 
Sent: November 26, 2011 11/26/11
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

From: Bob Sullivan

> Yah, but he can't be a real photographer if he uses a phone camera!
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> It wasn't easy to get used to having Frank submit sharp pix, then
>> color pix, then nature and scenic pix (!) either. ?The man just keeps
>> challenging us.

I'll believe phone cameras are the real deal when National Geographic 
puts out a photo book of phone camera photos.

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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread John Sessoms 

From: Bob Sullivan


Yah, but he can't be a real photographer if he uses a phone camera!
Regards, Bob S.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:

It wasn't easy to get used to having Frank submit sharp pix, then
color pix, then nature and scenic pix (!) either. ?The man just keeps
challenging us.


I'll believe phone cameras are the real deal when National Geographic 
puts out a photo book of phone camera photos.


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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread David J Brooks 
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Yah, but he can't be a real photographer if he uses a phone camera!  :-)
> Regards,  Bob S.

But its black so there:-)

Dave
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> It wasn't easy to get used to having Frank submit sharp pix, then color pix, 
>> then nature and scenic pix (!) either.  The man just keeps challenging us.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Christine Aguila 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
>>
>> Frank:  It's going to take some time getting used to the idea of you 
>> shooting with a phone camera :-).  Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2011, at 4:00 PM, frank theriault  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a bit of what's happened with the Occupy Toronto thing, not
>>> because you're interested, just because it'll put the gallery in
>>> perspective.
>>>
>>> On Monday a judge ordered that the city could proceed with it's
>>> "eviction", meaning that they could serve the occupiers with notices
>>> under the Trespass Act to boot them out.  By Tuesday about 1/3 to 1/2
>>> of the tents went down voluntarily and there weren't many people
>>> around.  From discussions I had with protesters, many were talking
>>> about what they'd do next, whether they'd give up for now and regroup,
>>> or if they'd immediately set up in another park.
>>>
>>> The first five photos in this gallery were taken on that "quiet" Tuesday.
>>>
>>> Wednesday the police moved in ~en masse~ to get the last of them out.
>>> Lots and lots of press were there along with many gawkers and
>>> observers.  The final photos were taken that day.
>>>
>>> I chatted with a few cops who really didn't want to be there - a huge
>>> chance that things would get ugly.  But it didn't.  I think there were
>>> three arrests after all was said and done, and no violence or
>>> uprisings.  By Thursday, the park looked like they'd never been there.
>>>
>>> So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:
>>>
>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> frank
>>>
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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread David J Brooks 
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:07 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> On 11/25/2011 7:13 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>

>>> So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:
>>>
>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>>>

> The Canadian protesters seem to have been a bit less violent than those in
> America.  I'm not saying the US cops weren't rougher in some cases, they
> probably were.  But the protesters were not nearly as law abiding than the
> Canadians.

Probably due to the few shit disturbers at the camp, most may have
still been in the US and had not made it up here yet. You know the
ones, the professional protester with mask.


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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread Bob Sullivan 
Yah, but he can't be a real photographer if he uses a phone camera!  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> It wasn't easy to get used to having Frank submit sharp pix, then color pix, 
> then nature and scenic pix (!) either.  The man just keeps challenging us.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Christine Aguila 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:24 AM
> Subject: Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days
>
> Frank:  It's going to take some time getting used to the idea of you shooting 
> with a phone camera :-).  Cheers, Christine
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2011, at 4:00 PM, frank theriault  wrote:
>
>> Just a bit of what's happened with the Occupy Toronto thing, not
>> because you're interested, just because it'll put the gallery in
>> perspective.
>>
>> On Monday a judge ordered that the city could proceed with it's
>> "eviction", meaning that they could serve the occupiers with notices
>> under the Trespass Act to boot them out.  By Tuesday about 1/3 to 1/2
>> of the tents went down voluntarily and there weren't many people
>> around.  From discussions I had with protesters, many were talking
>> about what they'd do next, whether they'd give up for now and regroup,
>> or if they'd immediately set up in another park.
>>
>> The first five photos in this gallery were taken on that "quiet" Tuesday.
>>
>> Wednesday the police moved in ~en masse~ to get the last of them out.
>> Lots and lots of press were there along with many gawkers and
>> observers.  The final photos were taken that day.
>>
>> I chatted with a few cops who really didn't want to be there - a huge
>> chance that things would get ugly.  But it didn't.  I think there were
>> three arrests after all was said and done, and no violence or
>> uprisings.  By Thursday, the park looked like they'd never been there.
>>
>> So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:
>>
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html
>>
>> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread Rick Womer 
It wasn't easy to get used to having Frank submit sharp pix, then color pix, 
then nature and scenic pix (!) either.  The man just keeps challenging us.

Rick
 
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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Frank:  It's going to take some time getting used to the idea of you shooting 
with a phone camera :-).  Cheers, Christine 



On Nov 25, 2011, at 4:00 PM, frank theriault  wrote:

> Just a bit of what's happened with the Occupy Toronto thing, not
> because you're interested, just because it'll put the gallery in
> perspective.
> 
> On Monday a judge ordered that the city could proceed with it's
> "eviction", meaning that they could serve the occupiers with notices
> under the Trespass Act to boot them out.  By Tuesday about 1/3 to 1/2
> of the tents went down voluntarily and there weren't many people
> around.  From discussions I had with protesters, many were talking
> about what they'd do next, whether they'd give up for now and regroup,
> or if they'd immediately set up in another park.
> 
> The first five photos in this gallery were taken on that "quiet" Tuesday.
> 
> Wednesday the police moved in ~en masse~ to get the last of them out.
> Lots and lots of press were there along with many gawkers and
> observers.  The final photos were taken that day.
> 
> I chatted with a few cops who really didn't want to be there - a huge
> chance that things would get ugly.  But it didn't.  I think there were
> three arrests after all was said and done, and no violence or
> uprisings.  By Thursday, the park looked like they'd never been there.
> 
> So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-26 Thread Christine Aguila 
Frank:  It's going to take some time getting used to the idea of you shooting 
with a phone camera :-).  Cheers, Christine 



On Nov 25, 2011, at 4:00 PM, frank theriault  wrote:

> Just a bit of what's happened with the Occupy Toronto thing, not
> because you're interested, just because it'll put the gallery in
> perspective.
> 
> On Monday a judge ordered that the city could proceed with it's
> "eviction", meaning that they could serve the occupiers with notices
> under the Trespass Act to boot them out.  By Tuesday about 1/3 to 1/2
> of the tents went down voluntarily and there weren't many people
> around.  From discussions I had with protesters, many were talking
> about what they'd do next, whether they'd give up for now and regroup,
> or if they'd immediately set up in another park.
> 
> The first five photos in this gallery were taken on that "quiet" Tuesday.
> 
> Wednesday the police moved in ~en masse~ to get the last of them out.
> Lots and lots of press were there along with many gawkers and
> observers.  The final photos were taken that day.
> 
> I chatted with a few cops who really didn't want to be there - a huge
> chance that things would get ugly.  But it didn't.  I think there were
> three arrests after all was said and done, and no violence or
> uprisings.  By Thursday, the park looked like they'd never been there.
> 
> So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-25 Thread P. J. Alling 

On 11/25/2011 7:13 PM, William Robb wrote:

On 25/11/2011 4:00 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Just a bit of what's happened with the Occupy Toronto thing, not
because you're interested, just because it'll put the gallery in
perspective.

On Monday a judge ordered that the city could proceed with it's
"eviction", meaning that they could serve the occupiers with notices
under the Trespass Act to boot them out.  By Tuesday about 1/3 to 1/2
of the tents went down voluntarily and there weren't many people
around.  From discussions I had with protesters, many were talking
about what they'd do next, whether they'd give up for now and regroup,
or if they'd immediately set up in another park.

The first five photos in this gallery were taken on that "quiet" 
Tuesday.


Wednesday the police moved in ~en masse~ to get the last of them out.
Lots and lots of press were there along with many gawkers and
observers.  The final photos were taken that day.

I chatted with a few cops who really didn't want to be there - a huge
chance that things would get ugly.  But it didn't.  I think there were
three arrests after all was said and done, and no violence or
uprisings.  By Thursday, the park looked like they'd never been there.

So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html 



Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank

It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed 
without the overarching police brutality that has been so common south 
of the border.
It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference 
between right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from 
the way they behaved at the G20).


The Canadian protesters seem to have been a bit less violent than those 
in America.  I'm not saying the US cops weren't rougher in some cases, 
they probably were.  But the protesters were not nearly as law abiding 
than the Canadians.


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lengthily search.


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Re: GESO - Occupy Toronto: The Final Days

2011-11-25 Thread William Robb 

On 25/11/2011 4:00 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Just a bit of what's happened with the Occupy Toronto thing, not
because you're interested, just because it'll put the gallery in
perspective.

On Monday a judge ordered that the city could proceed with it's
"eviction", meaning that they could serve the occupiers with notices
under the Trespass Act to boot them out.  By Tuesday about 1/3 to 1/2
of the tents went down voluntarily and there weren't many people
around.  From discussions I had with protesters, many were talking
about what they'd do next, whether they'd give up for now and regroup,
or if they'd immediately set up in another park.

The first five photos in this gallery were taken on that "quiet" Tuesday.

Wednesday the police moved in ~en masse~ to get the last of them out.
Lots and lots of press were there along with many gawkers and
observers.  The final photos were taken that day.

I chatted with a few cops who really didn't want to be there - a huge
chance that things would get ugly.  But it didn't.  I think there were
three arrests after all was said and done, and no violence or
uprisings.  By Thursday, the park looked like they'd never been there.

So, here's the gallery, all taken with my phone camera:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2011/11/occupy-toronto-final-days.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank

It is telling that the Canadian protests seem to have been put to bed 
without the overarching police brutality that has been so common south 
of the border.
It seems that to a great extent, our cops still know the difference 
between right and wrong (and that perhaps they learned something from 
the way they behaved at the G20).


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