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Well, I really like it all, but a fine tot or two of Connemara suits me just as well as one of Cardhu! keith whaley graywolf wrote: > > Oh yes, they do make good beer. And Irish Wiskey is great much better to my way > of thinking than that nasty tasting stuff the Scots make. >
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> And Irish Wiskey is great much better to my way > of thinking than that nasty tasting stuff the Scots make. The best whisky/ey I've ever tasted was a 12 years old Bushmills single malt. Delicious. Lukasz [EMAIL PROTECTED] === www.fotopolis.pl === internetowy magazyn o fotografii
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Oh yes, they do make good beer. And Irish Wiskey is great much better to my way of thinking than that nasty tasting stuff the Scots make. -- frank theriault wrote: Hello, Wolf of Gray, Well, Kristian seems to have got to you first, with much more information that I could have provided. One thing I do know is that during the Dark Ages, Ireland was the lone shining light of intellectualism in what we now call Europe. Plus, they make good beer (have I mentioned that one already?) cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Have I done something to upset you. Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:05:30 -0500 And which of the 3500 or so tribes was that? Much as I like the Irish, they were really tribal savages (no centralized government at all) up until the 15th century or so. -- Pat White wrote: Does this go back far enough? In the 5th century, the Irish abolished slavery, with the strong encouragement of Saint Patrick, a former slave. It took most of the "first world" well over a thousand years to catch up to that one, and some countries still practice slavery today. Ironically, Irish people were sent as slaves to the West Indies in the 17th century. But that's a story for another time and place. Pat White -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway." _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
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Well, tribal savages is probably too strong a term. There seems to be two histories of Ireland, the one you quote is certainly an idealization. The one I mentioned is like: A killed B and invaded C, then was murdered by D who... There were many who claimed to be the king of Ireland, quite a few of them at the same time, most of them ruling an area about the size of a county. While their technological level was much higher their social culture was much like the American Natives, that is there were two kinds of people; basically us in this tribe, clan, or village and enemies. Yes the Christian monasteries in Ireland were comparative bastions of leaning during the dark ages, but outside of those bastions things were quite different. Not that things were better elsewhere in Europe. There is less difference between an ordinary person and a chieftain in that type of society than there was between a serf and a king in the more structured feudalistic ones of the time. However, you are entirely welcome to believe what you want. -- Kristian Walsh wrote: Hmm... For someone who normally does his research, this is a surprise. Perhaps you meant the 15th century BC? Irish social organisation was loose, but "tribal savages" is a disservice to a democratic, federally-governed society based on the rule of law. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
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Hi, Pat, I didn't know that St Patrick abolished slavery in Ireland. As if chasing all the snakes out weren't enough, eh? I'll always love the Irish, if for no other reason than their beers and ales. I've always loved Guinness, along with Kilkenny. Lately, I've been enjoying the healthful effects and good taste of Beamish Stout. Any place that can brew such nectars of the gods is okay with me. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Pat White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Have I done something to upset you. Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:47:21 -0800 Does this go back far enough? In the 5th century, the Irish abolished slavery, with the strong encouragement of Saint Patrick, a former slave. It took most of the "first world" well over a thousand years to catch up to that one, and some countries still practice slavery today. Ironically, Irish people were sent as slaves to the West Indies in the 17th century. But that's a story for another time and place. Pat White _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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Does this go back far enough? In the 5th century, the Irish abolished slavery, with the strong encouragement of Saint Patrick, a former slave. It took most of the "first world" well over a thousand years to catch up to that one, and some countries still practice slavery today. Ironically, Irish people were sent as slaves to the West Indies in the 17th century. But that's a story for another time and place. Pat White
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OUCH!!! -frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I decided to play this game and offered my spell checker *istD and *isdD it substituted: fisted and misdeed annsan _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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Peter Jordan wrote: > > > P.S. My spellchecker offers "stud" as an alternative to *istD, I guess we > don't want to go there either . > I decided to play this game and offered my spell checker *istD and *isdD it substituted: fisted and misdeed annsan
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Hi, Maybe, but you forget about those Neanderthals. Boy, are they inferior - have you seen the state of their handaxes?!?! Sheesh! And have you ever seen one trying to thread a fish-hook? Laugh? I nearly went extinct. Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, November 25, 2003, 10:56:02 PM, you wrote: > Yup. Game, Set and Match to Boris! > -frank > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer >>From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: Have I done something to upset you. >>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:47:55 -0500 >> >>Great response Boris. I doubt that anyone can go further back than you!!! >> >>
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Yup. Game, Set and Match to Boris! -frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Have I done something to upset you. Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:47:55 -0500 Great response Boris. I doubt that anyone can go further back than you!!! _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:25:16 -0600 "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Peter Jordan" Subject: Re: Have I done something to upset you. Do any other cultures have rivalries where one side can go further back to prove superiority over another. This might not be a particularly good topic for discussion here. William Robb Quite right William Robb is, quite right! Boris
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No Doug is not going to remove anyone for what they say on the list, but bounced mail from your address will automatically unsubscribe you. You need to fix the problem, and then resubscribe. However, Monday was apparently just a slow day. -- Len Paris wrote: That's ridiculous! To the best of my knowledge nobody has ever been unsubscribed from the list for something they said. I do, however, remember Pentax shutting down their sponsorship of the list when we got too outrageous for them. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: Peter Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Have I done something to upset you. For some unknown reason, all messages stopped coming on Friday. I didn't get a message to say I'd been unsubscribed because my server had been bouncing e-mails, (which I've had in the past thanks to btinternet), my e-mail address that I use is still working, and looking at the digests, the list continues, so I think it must have been something I said!! -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
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- Original Message - From: "Peter Jordan" Subject: Re: Have I done something to upset you. > Do any other cultures have rivalries where one side can go further back to > prove superiority over another. This might not be a particularly good topic for discussion here. William Robb
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:47:55 -0500 "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Great response Boris. I doubt that anyone can go further back than you!!! Bill For good or for bad I can go back twice, having received almost complete Soviet education and having spent last 12 years of my life in Israel... But then again, there was a attached to my previous message to this thread. One more . Boris
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Great response Boris. I doubt that anyone can go further back than you!!! Bill - Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Have I done something to upset you. > On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:40:02 - > "Peter Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I have a challenge here. > > > >As an Englishman living in Scotland, I am constantly barraged about > >the > >clear superiority of the Scots over the English, much of which is > >based on > >the bragging right that arose from Scotland beating England in a > >skirmish in > >1314 (and no, that doesn't mean nearly quarter past one). > > > >Do any other cultures have rivalries where one side can go further > >back to > >prove superiority over another. > > > >Peter > > > > Israeli here. Peter, do you __really__ want me to answer your > question? > > Boris > >
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:40:02 - "Peter Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a challenge here. As an Englishman living in Scotland, I am constantly barraged about the clear superiority of the Scots over the English, much of which is based on the bragging right that arose from Scotland beating England in a skirmish in 1314 (and no, that doesn't mean nearly quarter past one). Do any other cultures have rivalries where one side can go further back to prove superiority over another. Peter Israeli here. Peter, do you __really__ want me to answer your question? Boris
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I have a challenge here. As an Englishman living in Scotland, I am constantly barraged about the clear superiority of the Scots over the English, much of which is based on the bragging right that arose from Scotland beating England in a skirmish in 1314 (and no, that doesn't mean nearly quarter past one). Do any other cultures have rivalries where one side can go further back to prove superiority over another. Peter - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:08 AM Subject: Re: Have I done something to upset you. > When was the last time you guys had bragging rights, Peter? WWII? Even > then, you needed the Aussie's (and the Canadians and the US et al) help with > that one, didn't ya? > > But seriously, I think you guys should keep this one alive and kicking as > long as possible. ESPECIALLY, since you beat the Aussies. > > cheers, > frank > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > > > > >From: "Peter Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Have I done something to upset you. > >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:10:35 - > > > >For some unknown reason, all messages stopped coming on Friday. > > > >I didn't get a message to say I'd been unsubscribed because my server had > >been bouncing e-mails, (which I've had in the past thanks to btinternet), > >my > >e-mail address that I use is still working, and looking at the digests, the > >list continues, so I think it must have been something I said!! > > > >Alternatively it could be some Australian conspiracy to stop we English > >from > >being smug about the events of Saturday. Let's face it we need something to > >crow about since Australia have beaten us at virtually every sporting event > >since James Cook was alive. > > > >I think we need to savour the moment and keep referring to it at every > >possible opportunity. Let's face it, it will be a long time before we get > >bragging rights again. > > > >Peter > > > > _ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn .com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca >
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I don't like your tone, Len. YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!! cheers, frank (pretending to be a mean list guy - which the Real List Guy isn't, of course) "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's ridiculous! To the best of my knowledge nobody has ever been unsubscribed from the list for something they said. I do, however, remember Pentax shutting down their sponsorship of the list when we got too outrageous for them. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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I had a similar thing a couple of weeks ago. Presumably the message telling me I got unsubbed was bounced too though?!?! Seems to unsub you very quick these days. Not complaining as I can possibly understand why - just commenting. > -Original Message- > From: Peter Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 November 2003 17:11 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Have I done something to upset you. > > > For some unknown reason, all messages stopped coming on Friday. > > I didn't get a message to say I'd been unsubscribed because > my server had been bouncing e-mails, (which I've had in the > past thanks to btinternet), my e-mail address that I use is > still working, and looking at the digests, the list > continues, so I think it must have been something I said!! > > Alternatively it could be some Australian conspiracy to stop > we English from being smug about the events of Saturday. > Let's face it we need something to crow about since Australia > have beaten us at virtually every sporting event since James > Cook was alive. > > I think we need to savour the moment and keep referring to it > at every possible opportunity. Let's face it, it will be a > long time before we get bragging rights again. > > Peter > >
