Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-21 Thread Miserere
On 19 April 2012 19:02, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Instead of the K-01

 It's now on my short list.

 http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20



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I said that of the NX10 two years ago. It felt like a Pentax in all
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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Image Stabilization...NO!!! - forget about it.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 19 April 2012 19:02, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Instead of the K-01

 It's now on my short list.

 http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20



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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-21 Thread Miserere
On 19 April 2012 19:31, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 The only real downside in purchasing a Samsung digital camera is that
 it would, no doubt, contain a Samsung sensor.

Darren,

The new Samsung sensor (already found in the NX200) is much better
than the old one. It's not at the level of Sony's 16MP pixie dust CMOS
(as found on the K-5), but it's not that far behind. I always felt the
two main things let down the NX10 were the sensor (at high ISOs) and
its small buffer. The sensor has now been improved and I'm hoping the
buffer has too, seeing as they're listing an 8 fps rate. It appears
the EVF is also better, and the camera now has a swivel rear AMOLED.
WiFi is a great addition (and not a gimmick in my view). Though not
highlighted much, the NX20 now has a 2nd contol wheel on the back, in
the Canon style of rotating dial around the 4-way controller:

http://1.s.img-dpreview.com/files/articles/4755461255/NX20back.jpg?v=1474

I'm hoping that the video REC buttom can be customised to AF; that
alone could convince me to buy it.

Price (with new kit lens) is $1,100. I hope they also offer a
body-only for $1,000 (or less!), which is what I'd want to buy.

For those interested in comparing the new sensor with their eyes (not
with DxO numbers), here it is on DPR:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsungnx200/18

I suggest choosing the NX10, K-5 and Sony NEX-7 as the comparison
cameras and looking at the RAW files.

For those wondering why Samsung shouldn't be dismissed, consider their
prime lens line-up:

 - 16mm f/2.4 pancake
 - 20mm f/2.8 pancake
 - 30mm f/2 pancake
 - 55mm f/1.8 (pancake? to be released this year)
 - 60mm f/2.8 macro
 - 85mm f/1.4

And no, I am not paid by Samsung, nor have they loaned/gifted me any
equipment. I bought an NX10 + 30mm f/2 last September and have been
shooting with it exclusively since then. My K10D + 31 Ltd remain
untouched on the shelf.

Anyody want to buy a K10D...?

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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-21 Thread Miserere
On 21 April 2012 11:28, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Image Stabilization...NO!!! - forget about it.  Regards,  Bob S.

IS is in some of the lenses. Bob, I like IBIS as much as the next
Pentaxian, but let me tell you my practical experience. I'm able to
regularly shoot the 30mm handheld at 1/15s and get sharp shots; the
small size, low weight, light shutter and lack of flapping mirror all
contribute to making it a much more stable shooting camera than a
DSLR. That said, I usually shoot at speeds faster than 1/100s, where
IS wouldn't help me anyway. I think Samsung's reasoning was: Shooting
a 30mm f/2 wide open should give them fast enough shutter speeds that
they won't need IS. If they use a slow-ass zoom kit lens, then we'll
put the IS in the lens to help them out. I'm currently testing the
16mm f/2.4 and its also highly usable wide open, making f/2.4 at 1/8s
shots possible.

I'm not defending leaving out IBIS, I'm just saying that its absence
has been much less of a hinderance in real-world usage than I thought
it would be before I started using the camera. In fact, until you
mentioned it here, I hadn't even considered its lack as an issue when
reviewing the NX20 specs.

My 2 cents.


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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
I'll have to think about that Miserere.
IBIS had a big impact on my photography,
especially shooting indoor candids.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 21 April 2012 11:28, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Image Stabilization...NO!!! - forget about it.  Regards,  Bob S.

 IS is in some of the lenses. Bob, I like IBIS as much as the next
 Pentaxian, but let me tell you my practical experience. I'm able to
 regularly shoot the 30mm handheld at 1/15s and get sharp shots; the
 small size, low weight, light shutter and lack of flapping mirror all
 contribute to making it a much more stable shooting camera than a
 DSLR. That said, I usually shoot at speeds faster than 1/100s, where
 IS wouldn't help me anyway. I think Samsung's reasoning was: Shooting
 a 30mm f/2 wide open should give them fast enough shutter speeds that
 they won't need IS. If they use a slow-ass zoom kit lens, then we'll
 put the IS in the lens to help them out. I'm currently testing the
 16mm f/2.4 and its also highly usable wide open, making f/2.4 at 1/8s
 shots possible.

 I'm not defending leaving out IBIS, I'm just saying that its absence
 has been much less of a hinderance in real-world usage than I thought
 it would be before I started using the camera. In fact, until you
 mentioned it here, I hadn't even considered its lack as an issue when
 reviewing the NX20 specs.

 My 2 cents.


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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
I would miss having image stabilization. In the lens is okay, but it adds cost 
over and over again, if you purchase multiple lenses. And since I frequently 
shoot with longer lenses in low light, I'm a big fan of IBIS.

Paul
On Apr 21, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 I'll have to think about that Miserere.
 IBIS had a big impact on my photography,
 especially shooting indoor candids.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 21 April 2012 11:28, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Image Stabilization...NO!!! - forget about it.  Regards,  Bob S.
 
 IS is in some of the lenses. Bob, I like IBIS as much as the next
 Pentaxian, but let me tell you my practical experience. I'm able to
 regularly shoot the 30mm handheld at 1/15s and get sharp shots; the
 small size, low weight, light shutter and lack of flapping mirror all
 contribute to making it a much more stable shooting camera than a
 DSLR. That said, I usually shoot at speeds faster than 1/100s, where
 IS wouldn't help me anyway. I think Samsung's reasoning was: Shooting
 a 30mm f/2 wide open should give them fast enough shutter speeds that
 they won't need IS. If they use a slow-ass zoom kit lens, then we'll
 put the IS in the lens to help them out. I'm currently testing the
 16mm f/2.4 and its also highly usable wide open, making f/2.4 at 1/8s
 shots possible.
 
 I'm not defending leaving out IBIS, I'm just saying that its absence
 has been much less of a hinderance in real-world usage than I thought
 it would be before I started using the camera. In fact, until you
 mentioned it here, I hadn't even considered its lack as an issue when
 reviewing the NX20 specs.
 
 My 2 cents.
 
 
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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-21 Thread P. J. Alling
That would kind of depend on the IQ of the sensor.  Personally I think 
the Sony Nex-7 with a KAF adapter module that contains a focusing motor 
for legacy lenses.  It looks like a much cleaner design.


On 4/19/2012 7:02 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Instead of the K-01

It's now on my short list.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20






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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-21 Thread Miserere
It's all about individual usage, Bob. If I were shooting landscapes
hand-held, then I might miss it more, but shooting people (whether
indoors or out) I need at least 1/60s shutter speeds to stop movement,
and doing that with a 30mm lens means IS would be of no help. If I
were using a 60mm or 85mm, then IS would definitely help at those
shutter speeds. Samsung's 60mm f/2.8 does have IS, but bizarrely,
their 85mm f/1.4 doesn't.

For what it's worth, when I use the 77 Ltd (via adapter) I can shoot
at 1/50s - 1/60s without much issue. Now, when I shoot my 200mm or
400mm primes I do miss IBIS  :-)


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On 21 April 2012 11:47, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'll have to think about that Miserere.
 IBIS had a big impact on my photography,
 especially shooting indoor candids.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 21 April 2012 11:28, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Image Stabilization...NO!!! - forget about it.  Regards,  Bob S.

 IS is in some of the lenses. Bob, I like IBIS as much as the next
 Pentaxian, but let me tell you my practical experience. I'm able to
 regularly shoot the 30mm handheld at 1/15s and get sharp shots; the
 small size, low weight, light shutter and lack of flapping mirror all
 contribute to making it a much more stable shooting camera than a
 DSLR. That said, I usually shoot at speeds faster than 1/100s, where
 IS wouldn't help me anyway. I think Samsung's reasoning was: Shooting
 a 30mm f/2 wide open should give them fast enough shutter speeds that
 they won't need IS. If they use a slow-ass zoom kit lens, then we'll
 put the IS in the lens to help them out. I'm currently testing the
 16mm f/2.4 and its also highly usable wide open, making f/2.4 at 1/8s
 shots possible.

 I'm not defending leaving out IBIS, I'm just saying that its absence
 has been much less of a hinderance in real-world usage than I thought
 it would be before I started using the camera. In fact, until you
 mentioned it here, I hadn't even considered its lack as an issue when
 reviewing the NX20 specs.

 My 2 cents.


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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-20 Thread Dario Bonazza
This is my list of possible cameras Pentax should have built instead of the 
K-01:

Fujifilm X-Pro1
Olympus OM-D (equipped with an APS sensor, of course)
Panasonic GX-1 (equipped with an APS sensor, of course)
and now... yes, also the Samsung NX20

Dario

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Instead of the K-01

It's now on my short list.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20



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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-20 Thread Dario Bonazza

Boris Liberman wrote:

On 4/20/2012 02:02, Brian Walters wrote:

Instead of the K-01

It's now on my short list.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20


Well, not necessarily. A recent article on Luminous Landscape seems to 
maintain that EVF dynamic range is so narrow that in even in minimally 
challenging light conditions it may be pretty challenging to use.


My reply:

Is the K-01 viewfinder better? ;-)

Dario

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RE: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-20 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
If it's mirrorless what's the big bump on top for?

cheers,
frank

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From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
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Subject: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

Instead of the K-01

It's now on my short list.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20



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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-20 Thread Bryan Jacoby
Sure, this is what Pentax should have built instead of the K-01, in a
fantasy universe where EVFs are free and this camera doesn't therefore
cost several hundred bucks more than a K-01 (and almost as much as a
K-5). :)

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Instead of the K-01

 It's now on my short list.

 http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20



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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-20 Thread Dario Bonazza

EVF + flash

Dario

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If it's mirrorless what's the big bump on top for?

cheers,
frank

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Subject: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

Instead of the K-01

It's now on my short list.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20



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RE: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-20 Thread John Sessoms

It appears to house an eye-level EVF.

From: knarftheria...@gmail.com


If it's mirrorless what's the big bump on top for?

cheers,
frank

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From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
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Subject: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

Instead of the K-01

It's now on my short list.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20



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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-20 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/20/2012 09:23, Dario Bonazza wrote:

My reply:

Is the K-01 viewfinder better? ;-)

Dario


Though DxOMarks scores are not absolute truth, it appears that K-01 
somehow looses in comparison to K-5. This and opportunity to get a 
proper focusing screen for manual focusing made me buy (second hand) 
another K-5.


So, as a matter of fact, you and I are not in disagreement about K-01.

By the way, it occurs to me that Pentax could approach Ringo Starr or 
his son and produce a commercial after that scene from Hard Day's 
Night where Ringo runs away from The Beatles and roams taking casual 
shots with his Pentax Spotmatic. Oddly it feels befitting the crowds 
Pentax had been addressing lately with their colorful q-ute 
uber-designed offerings... Much like The Beatles fans from the movie.


Boris



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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-19 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 19, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 Instead of the K-01
 
 It's now on my short list.
 
 http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20


The EVIL world is starting to look quite interesting.


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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-19 Thread Darren Addy
The only real downside in purchasing a Samsung digital camera is that
it would, no doubt, contain a Samsung sensor.

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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
I wouldn't consider it if it has a Samsung sensor. Is it a pentax k-mount?
Paul
On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 Instead of the K-01
 
 It's now on my short list.
 
 http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20
 
 
 
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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-19 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:


The only real downside in purchasing a Samsung digital camera is that
it would, no doubt, contain a Samsung sensor.



Possibly, but I doubt Samsung has been sitting on its hands wrt sensor  
design.  It will be interesting to read the first in-depth reviews of  
the NX20.  For my part, I'm not all that interested in ISOs above 3200  
and I'm sure the NX20 will be quite acceptable at that speed.




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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-19 Thread Darren Addy
I hate to refer to DxOmark, as it seems to result in a schism of
fanatical religious proportions whenever it is mentioned anywhere, but
if you want to feel better about your Pentax go to:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Ratings
Then in the camera MFG filter on the right, check the box for Samsung.
Observe the results. Now, leaving Samsung checked, also check Pentax.
Observe the results.



On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:

 The only real downside in purchasing a Samsung digital camera is that
 it would, no doubt, contain a Samsung sensor.



 Possibly, but I doubt Samsung has been sitting on its hands wrt sensor
 design.  It will be interesting to read the first in-depth reviews of the
 NX20.  For my part, I'm not all that interested in ISOs above 3200 and I'm
 sure the NX20 will be quite acceptable at that speed.




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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-19 Thread Joseph Tainter

Rangefinder-style mirrorless. Huh?

The photo sure looks like a DSLR with a swinging lcd screen.

Joe

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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-19 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:


I wouldn't consider it if it has a Samsung sensor. Is it a pentax k-mount?



No - proprietary mount. A non-autofocus K mount adapter is available  
from Samsung and some third parties also supply them.



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Paul
On Apr 19, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Brian Walters wrote:


Instead of the K-01

It's now on my short list.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20



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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-19 Thread Darren Addy
There is more to a camera than it's sensor, but I think it is
interesting that the only sensors that are rated *higher* than the K-5
(and the 645D which it ties in score) are the Nikon D3X, D4, D800 and
some Phase One backs.

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Re: Is this the Camera Pentax should have built?

2012-04-19 Thread Boris Liberman

On 4/20/2012 02:02, Brian Walters wrote:

Instead of the K-01

It's now on my short list.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/slrs/samsung_nx20


Well, not necessarily. A recent article on Luminous Landscape seems to 
maintain that EVF dynamic range is so narrow that in even in minimally 
challenging light conditions it may be pretty challenging to use.


Boris



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