Re: KX (was: Re: Pentax MX)

2002-07-12 Thread andre

 From a 1979 special number of Chasseur d'Images.

Total number of cameras surveyed: about 15,000

ModelAB C   D
N*k*n f  9   78 0,7 0,37
pentax kx   10   32 0,7 1,30
N*k*n el26   24 1,8 0,63
leica all   20  129 2,4 1,10
C*n*n f113   42 2,6 0,47
pentax sp5/1000 24  111 2,9 0,53
N*k*n ft42  120 3,0 0,20
C*nt*x rts  17   16 4,2 0,20
N*k*n f213   32 4,4 1,27
K*n*c* tn3  20   50 4,5 0,17

Etc... Almost 100 models or groups of models.


A: Number of cameras returned per 100 cameras.

Note: Older cameras have more chance to have been returned more 
frequently (than newer cameras).  So this number does not tell us a 
lot about toughness.  But readers gave the number of months they have 
had the camera (column B) and the number of photographs taken with 
their camera.  A somewhat meaningfull measure of toughness is then 
possible (column C).

B: Average age of camera (months).

C: Number of returns (for service) per 100,000 clicks (rounded to .1)
Average for all cameras is 16,6 (not 11 as I reported earlier)

D: Share (%) of all cameras own by readers.  If you multiply this % 
by approx. 15,000, you get, for example, that 56 Nikon F and 195 
Pentax KX have been considered in the survey.  Models with less than 
25 cameras surveyed are grouped (i.e. all leica, all topcon, all 
mamiya etc.)

Global results (average number of returns per 100,000) for a few brands:

N*k*n 7
Pentax9,6
Ol*mp*s  15,8
K*n*c*   15,8
F*j*c*   15,8
AVERAGE  16,6
M*n*lt*  17,5
Pr*kt*c* 28,7

There are many comments in the text (for example, most common types 
of repairs are mentionned for many models).  Also average cost of 
repair and average delay (not interesting as it relates to one 
country and back then).

I seriously doubt the survey's methodology. If not
knowing numbers which they wouldn't know (number of total cameras in
use of that particular type compared to defect ones), it's
meaningless.

The methodology itself seems OK.  If we believe that these 15000 
cameras behaved in a typical way... but it's not a question of 
believing...  Is 15,000 enough?  Is the margin of error too high?

Andre

Or did they use different methodology? Please dig out the
article, so we can be sure :)

Frantisek

P.S.: thanks!

Thursday, July 11, 2002, 5:43:55 AM, andre wrote:
a The KX was found to be as tough as N*k*n F in a huge survey made by
a Chasseur d'Image in... 1979 if I remember.  I have the issue
a somewhere and will post the results if I can find it.

a N*k*n F had 0,69 breakdown every 100,000 shots
a Pentax KX had 0,70

a I just found a file with the first ones:

a N*k*n   f,69
a pentax kx,70
a N*k*n  el2  1,8
a L**c*  all  2,4
a C*n*n   f1  2,6
a pentax sp51000 2,9
a N*k*n  ft   3,0
a C*nt*x rts  4,2
a N*k*n  f2   4,4
a K*n*c* tn3  4,5

a Average of all cameras reported (by thousands of readers) is around 11.

a Andre

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Re: KX (was: Re: Pentax MX)

2002-07-11 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Although I don't doubt the toughness of KX (it's based on spotmatic
after all!), I seriously doubt the survey's methodology. If not
knowing numbers which they wouldn't know (number of total cameras in
use of that particular type compared to defect ones), it's
meaningless. Or did they use different methodology? Please dig out the
article, so we can be sure :)

Frantisek

P.S.: thanks!

Thursday, July 11, 2002, 5:43:55 AM, andre wrote:
a The KX was found to be as tough as N*k*n F in a huge survey made by 
a Chasseur d'Image in... 1979 if I remember.  I have the issue 
a somewhere and will post the results if I can find it.

a N*k*n F had 0,69 breakdown every 100,000 shots
a Pentax KX had 0,70

a I just found a file with the first ones:

a N*k*n   f,69
a pentax kx,70
a N*k*n  el2  1,8
a L**c*  all  2,4
a C*n*n   f1  2,6
a pentax sp51000 2,9
a N*k*n  ft   3,0
a C*nt*x rts  4,2
a N*k*n  f2   4,4
a K*n*c* tn3  4,5

a Average of all cameras reported (by thousands of readers) is around 11.

a Andre




Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: KX (was: Re: Pentax MX)

2002-07-10 Thread Bob Rapp

You are right, Paul.
The KX was a sleeper. I refused to even look at the Ks when they came
out as I felt that I had been abandoned by Pentax with my large assortment
of screwmount gear. I have acquired one and it has replaced the MX as a
backup for the LX. I just love the way it handles and feels!!!

Bob
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 I'm one of the members of the unofficial KX Fan Club. Have you checked the
 PDML archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss%40pdml.net/ ?
 There were quite a few positive postings about the KX several months
 ago--around February, as I recall.

 The KX and K2 are been said to be the only K-series body built to
SpotMatic
 standards. If it could take the LX/MX screens, it would be my perfect
 manual-exposure body.
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