Re: LX frame spacing

2004-09-23 Thread Stan Halpin
In a discussion of eye-edness and the built-in bias to use the right 
eye, you commented that, since you use your left eye at the viewfinder, 
you compensated by short-stroking the film wind lever to avoid hitting 
yourself in the right eye with the lever. Not a direct quote, just my 
recollection of your comment.

stan (still in Vilnius, no rain now, also no sun. (It is 0100) Went to 
see Don Giovanni tonight, sung in Italian with Lithuanian subtitles. I 
think the good guys won but am not sure. Nice voices though.)

On Sep 22, 2004, at 7:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Don't recall ever saying that.  Don't use short strokes except in very 
rare
instances ... can't recall when I've last done that.

Shel
From: Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Shel has said that he does not fully wind but uses a series of short
strokes. I think this causes the inaccuracies.




Re: LX frame spacing

2004-09-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Don't recall ever saying that.  Don't use short strokes except in very rare
instances ... can't recall when I've last done that. 

Shel 

> From: Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Shel has said that he does not fully wind but uses a series of short 
> strokes. I think this causes the inaccuracies. 




Re: LX frame spacing

2004-09-22 Thread mike wilson
Hi,
Andre Langevin wrote:
The LX I had with me gave a strange sensation when cranked during the 
rainy days.  Friction was felt as in the need of lubrication.  (I know 
it does not as this is probably a ball bearing mechanism.)
Sounds like a bearing is breaking up.  Definitely service time, as the 
problem will only get worse and probably rapidly so at some point.  That 
point being about 30 seconds before the shot of a lifetime.

mike


Re: LX frame spacing

2004-09-22 Thread mike wilson
Hi,
I agree.  When using it "by hand" I tend to fully wind with one stroke 
and then give it another push to make sure.  I assume that my winder 
needs servicing.

Stan Halpin wrote:
Shel has said that he does not fully wind but uses a series of short 
strokes. I think this causes the inaccuracies. Yes, the camera 'should' 
be able to accomodate nonstandard usage, but it seems not to.

stan (from beautiful cloudy rainy cold Vilnius)
On Sep 22, 2004, at 10:45 AM, mike.wilson wrote:
Hi,
Andre wrote:
I'm back from Mongolia and looking at my unmounted slides and there 
is a lot of irregular frame spacing. As the photos were taken with an 
LX I understand this is not normal as the LX is supposed to be able 
to register precisely the frames (so that, for example, you can go 
back to a previous shot and take another exposure). Is this an easy 
problem to fix?

My LX was serviced by Pentax UK last year.  It was brought to "new 
standard condition" on all functional assemblies.

With the winder attached, I get irregular spacing.  Without winder, it 
does not seem to happen.  The winder was not serviced.  It seems that 
the _real_ problem is that the LX will _allow_ irregular spacing if, 
for example, the winder is not functioning correctly or the user is 
not winding fully.  I would check my technique first and then, if 
irregular winding is confirmed, get it serviced.



Re: LX frame spacing

2004-09-22 Thread Andre Langevin
CLA.
 William Robb
It's been CLA'ed a year ago...
I'd suggest that it's typical of the LX ... while the camera is "supposed"
to be very precise, I've never had one that was...
 Shel
Surprising...
Shel has said that he does not fully wind but uses a series of short 
strokes. I think this causes the inaccuracies. Yes, the camera 
'should' be able to accomodate nonstandard usage, but it seems not 
to.
 stan (from beautiful cloudy rainy cold Vilnius)
 You lucky guy.  Cold doesn't affect photographers when there is 
something to catch (apart from a cold)...

My LX was serviced by Pentax UK last year.  It was brought to "new 
standard condition" on all functional assemblies.

With the winder attached, I get irregular spacing.  Without winder, 
it does not seem to happen.  The winder was not serviced.  It seems 
that the _real_ problem is that the LX will _allow_ irregular 
spacing if, for example, the winder is not functioning correctly or 
the user is not winding fully.  I would check my technique first and 
then, if irregular winding is confirmed, get it serviced.
 mike
The LX I had with me gave a strange sensation when cranked during the 
rainy days.  Friction was felt as in the need of lubrication.  (I 
know it does not as this is probably a ball bearing mechanism.)

On that aspect, it looks like the LX is often not as precise as 
stated by Pentax...  Not that big a deal anyway.

Andre



Re: LX frame spacing

2004-09-22 Thread Stan Halpin
Shel has said that he does not fully wind but uses a series of short 
strokes. I think this causes the inaccuracies. Yes, the camera 'should' 
be able to accomodate nonstandard usage, but it seems not to.

stan (from beautiful cloudy rainy cold Vilnius)
On Sep 22, 2004, at 10:45 AM, mike.wilson wrote:
Hi,
Andre wrote:
I'm back from Mongolia and looking at my unmounted slides and there 
is a lot of irregular frame spacing. As the photos were taken with an 
LX I understand this is not normal as the LX is supposed to be able 
to register precisely the frames (so that, for example, you can go 
back to a previous shot and take another exposure). Is this an easy 
problem to fix?
My LX was serviced by Pentax UK last year.  It was brought to "new 
standard condition" on all functional assemblies.

With the winder attached, I get irregular spacing.  Without winder, it 
does not seem to happen.  The winder was not serviced.  It seems that 
the _real_ problem is that the LX will _allow_ irregular spacing if, 
for example, the winder is not functioning correctly or the user is 
not winding fully.  I would check my technique first and then, if 
irregular winding is confirmed, get it serviced.

mike
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Re: LX frame spacing

2004-09-21 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Andre Langevin"
Subject: LX frame spacing


> Hi everybody.
>
> I'm back from Mongolia and looking at my unmounted slides and there
> is a lot of irregular frame spacing.  As the photos were taken with
> an LX I understand this is not normal as the LX is supposed to be
> able to register precisely the frames (so that, for example, you
can
> go back to a previous shot and take another exposure).  Is this an
> easy problem to fix?

CLA.
Get the ISO resistor replaced, and the aperture simulator replaced or
cleaned at the same time.
And have them replace the mirror bumper and actuator as well.
The film advance is about the only part of the LX that I haven't had
problems with.

William Robb




RE: LX frame spacing

2004-09-21 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Andre   Welcome back

Id suggest that it's typical of the LX ... while the camera is "supposed"
to be very precise, I've never had one that was (owned five, had two others
that belonged to a friend for a while - seven samples total).  Maybe the
one I bought brand new was accurate, but I'd have to double check that -
can't say so unequivocally.

Shel

> From: Andre Langevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I'm back from Mongolia and looking at my unmounted slides and there 
> is a lot of irregular frame spacing.  As the photos were taken with 
> an LX I understand this is not normal as the LX is supposed to be 
> able to register precisely the frames (so that, for example, you can 
> go back to a previous shot and take another exposure).  Is this an 
> easy problem to fix?
>
> Andre




Re: LX Frame Spacing (Was Re: MZ-S; Built to last)

2001-10-05 Thread Francis Tang

Is this the ultimate Pentax taboo?  Isn't there a trend regarding
Pentax film transport reliability?

I have owned three ME Supers and one MX.  All but one of the ME Supers
has demonstrated uneven frame spacing at some point.  Fortunately, in
my case, I mananged to get them all repaired under warranty (I bought
them all secondhand from a shop.)

I've also heard grumbles from MZ-5 users about transport problems.  So
is this the ultimate PDML/Pentax taboo?

Frank.

On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 02:43:58PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Hi Bob ...
> 
> The LX frame spacing problem has been discussed here in the past,
> although it hasn't come up for quite some time.  The first two that I
> had, which were older models, had irregular spacing to the point where
> some frames were so close together that there was no discernible space
> between them.  Some people complained of overlapping frames.  My
> earliest LX, which I still have, went back to Pentax twice for the
> problem, and the situation is much better.  However, the spacing
> between frames is still not as accurate as the frame spacing of the
> Leicas, and it's clear that there are some slight differences between
> frames.
> 
> It's quite possible that many people don't notice this if they shoot
> slides which they then have mounted, or if a lab processes their film
> and makes prints.  As one who processes and prints my own film, I'm
> very much aware of any variations, however subtle.  I'd suggest every
> LX user, especially those with older cameras, take a careful look at
> the frame spacing, and if it's off by any degree, have it repaired
> while pentax still has parts available.
> 
> 
> Bob Walkden wrote:
> 
> > I'm surprised to hear this about your LX(es). 
> > One of their bragging points is the accuracy 
> > of the rewind/multiple exposure and therefore
> > the frame-spacing. It suggests that yours 
> > has/have a problem. Mine were all bang-on 
> > (as is my M3).
> 
> 
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