Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
New glasses won't fix motion blur. On 9/6/2014 10:54 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You might try a revised set of glasses. I have no problem working with an LCD as viewfinder for certain kinds of shooting. That said, I was interested in the K-01 as a vehicle for a minimum 2-lens system (FA43/1.9 and DA21/3.2 Limited, my last and favorite Pentax lenses...) but wanted an eye level viewfinder as well as the LCD. I like to have the option of an eye level finder. Marc and Sir Jonny Ive have worked together before and enjoyed the collaboration, so it's no surprise that he's come to Apple. G On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:51 AM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: He may be happy there's no viewfinder, but when I try to hold a camera out where I can see that 3 LCD screen, my hands shake it's too blurry to use anyway. I think it could have been a good (i.e. usable) design if they'd just offered an optional EVF to attach to the hot-shoe. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
Depends what you pour into them B On 7 Sep 2014, at 20:05, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: New glasses won't fix motion blur. On 9/6/2014 10:54 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You might try a revised set of glasses. I have no problem working with an LCD as viewfinder for certain kinds of shooting. That said, I was interested in the K-01 as a vehicle for a minimum 2-lens system (FA43/1.9 and DA21/3.2 Limited, my last and favorite Pentax lenses...) but wanted an eye level viewfinder as well as the LCD. I like to have the option of an eye level finder. Marc and Sir Jonny Ive have worked together before and enjoyed the collaboration, so it's no surprise that he's come to Apple. G On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:51 AM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: He may be happy there's no viewfinder, but when I try to hold a camera out where I can see that 3 LCD screen, my hands shake it's too blurry to use anyway. I think it could have been a good (i.e. usable) design if they'd just offered an optional EVF to attach to the hot-shoe. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
As long as it's above 90° proof, the details are generally unimportant. On 9/7/2014 4:16 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: Depends what you pour into them B On 7 Sep 2014, at 20:05, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: New glasses won't fix motion blur. On 9/6/2014 10:54 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You might try a revised set of glasses. I have no problem working with an LCD as viewfinder for certain kinds of shooting. That said, I was interested in the K-01 as a vehicle for a minimum 2-lens system (FA43/1.9 and DA21/3.2 Limited, my last and favorite Pentax lenses...) but wanted an eye level viewfinder as well as the LCD. I like to have the option of an eye level finder. Marc and Sir Jonny Ive have worked together before and enjoyed the collaboration, so it's no surprise that he's come to Apple. G On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:51 AM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: He may be happy there's no viewfinder, but when I try to hold a camera out where I can see that 3 LCD screen, my hands shake it's too blurry to use anyway. I think it could have been a good (i.e. usable) design if they'd just offered an optional EVF to attach to the hot-shoe. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
He may be happy there's no viewfinder, but when I try to hold a camera out where I can see that 3 LCD screen, my hands shake it's too blurry to use anyway. I think it could have been a good (i.e. usable) design if they'd just offered an optional EVF to attach to the hot-shoe. I might even have bought one. I'm not sure what Marc Newson is going to do at Apple, everything I've ever seen from Apple looks like it was designed by Marc Newson. On 9/5/2014 9:34 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: The K-01 was rightfully laughed at by photographers while at the same time was praised in other circles and even won a design award. First and foremost I should speak about the design. Marc Newson has done an astounding job with shape and feeling of the K-01. You may have seen photos of the camera online with it’s bright yellow exterior. I opted for a white version, wanting to stand out from the crowd, but not necessarily glowing. The lines of the camera are extremely clean and simple. The body is made of machined aluminum which gives the whole thing an extreme feeling of sturdiness, much like the back of your iPad. It’s accented with a ridged rubber which helps you keep a firm grip on the camera. There’s nothing unnecessary on the K-01, just the bare minimum. I’m also happy to report that there’s no viewfinder on the K-01. It’s a digital camera with a 3″ LCD screen, why on earth would it need one? The camera also does a good job of hiding all of the ports under the rubber grip on the side of the camera, giving it an extremely unified feeling. http://www.thefoxisblack.com/2012/04/09/pentax-k-01-the-best-and-coolest-camera-ive-ever-used/ On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:01 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Marc is one of the most influential designers of his generation, So influential that he managed to kill an entire line of Pentax products before it was effectively born. A lot of manufactures copy if not the actual product, the zeitgeist of Apple products, pretty much every smart phone looks like a iPhone, Even Leica cameras have been favorably compared to iPhones. I wonder if there are now going to be Apple iProducts that look like K-01 cameras and will they get favorable reviews because Apple makes them. On 9/5/2014 7:42 PM, steve harley wrote: not exactly a stellar move IMO — his work with Pentax was not a pinnacle of functional design; but as has been noted, he may have been highly constrained in that project; i'm non-plused as well by what i've seen of his other work http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/09/marc-newson-apple-jony-ive -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
You might try a revised set of glasses. I have no problem working with an LCD as viewfinder for certain kinds of shooting. That said, I was interested in the K-01 as a vehicle for a minimum 2-lens system (FA43/1.9 and DA21/3.2 Limited, my last and favorite Pentax lenses...) but wanted an eye level viewfinder as well as the LCD. I like to have the option of an eye level finder. Marc and Sir Jonny Ive have worked together before and enjoyed the collaboration, so it's no surprise that he's come to Apple. G On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:51 AM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: He may be happy there's no viewfinder, but when I try to hold a camera out where I can see that 3 LCD screen, my hands shake it's too blurry to use anyway. I think it could have been a good (i.e. usable) design if they'd just offered an optional EVF to attach to the hot-shoe. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
On 05/09/2014 7:34 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: The K-01 was rightfully laughed at by photographers while at the same time was praised in other circles and even won a design award. The K-01 was/is a capable enough camera. Inside, it's just a somewhat downgraded K-5 with the viewfinder stripped off. Probably, it is very similar in capability to the K30 that was released a few months later. It will be interesting to see what Newson comes up with for Apple. I do fear for things like the Iphone, iPad, etc becoming ergonomic nightmares in the name of styling at Newsons hands. I don't suppose it will make a lot of difference to the typical Apple user, they will be told it is new and wonderful and they will dutifully buy the stuff. I'm sure Apple could put a touch screen on a cat turd and Apple users would hold their noses and buy it. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
Actually it's a downgraded K-30 which was a related but different beast than the K-5. The downfall of the K-01 was it's cheapness, they reused as much of the hardware from the K-r, and some of the electronics from the upcoming K-30 with a smaller buffer, or maybe the same buffer size as the K-r with the rest of the K-30 image train. It doesn't matter, really. Hoya built a mirrorless camera as cheaply as possible using off the shelf components then hired Nuwson to put lipstick on the pig. Unfortunately it was still obviously a pig. There was really enough space in the K-01 camera body to put an EVF in upper left corner looking at the camera from the back, but that would have required actually designing a new steel frame rather than simply using the frame from the K-r and lopping off the prism. That's not to say it's a bad camera, it's actually a pretty good camera by all accounts. However it's control layout was awkward, and it's price at introduction was quite high for its feature set, most likely to pay for the lipstick. On 9/6/2014 10:56 AM, Bill wrote: On 05/09/2014 7:34 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: The K-01 was rightfully laughed at by photographers while at the same time was praised in other circles and even won a design award. The K-01 was/is a capable enough camera. Inside, it's just a somewhat downgraded K-5 with the viewfinder stripped off. Probably, it is very similar in capability to the K30 that was released a few months later. It will be interesting to see what Newson comes up with for Apple. I do fear for things like the Iphone, iPad, etc becoming ergonomic nightmares in the name of styling at Newsons hands. I don't suppose it will make a lot of difference to the typical Apple user, they will be told it is new and wonderful and they will dutifully buy the stuff. I'm sure Apple could put a touch screen on a cat turd and Apple users would hold their noses and buy it. bill -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
I think that sums it up pretty well. They didn't even really try. The K-01 was just another me too product that was thrown together as cheaply and with as little investment as possible. On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:10 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Actually it's a downgraded K-30 which was a related but different beast than the K-5. The downfall of the K-01 was it's cheapness, they reused as much of the hardware from the K-r, and some of the electronics from the upcoming K-30 with a smaller buffer, or maybe the same buffer size as the K-r with the rest of the K-30 image train. It doesn't matter, really. Hoya built a mirrorless camera as cheaply as possible using off the shelf components then hired Nuwson to put lipstick on the pig. Unfortunately it was still obviously a pig. There was really enough space in the K-01 camera body to put an EVF in upper left corner looking at the camera from the back, but that would have required actually designing a new steel frame rather than simply using the frame from the K-r and lopping off the prism. That's not to say it's a bad camera, it's actually a pretty good camera by all accounts. However it's control layout was awkward, and it's price at introduction was quite high for its feature set, most likely to pay for the lipstick. On 9/6/2014 10:56 AM, Bill wrote: On 05/09/2014 7:34 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: The K-01 was rightfully laughed at by photographers while at the same time was praised in other circles and even won a design award. The K-01 was/is a capable enough camera. Inside, it's just a somewhat downgraded K-5 with the viewfinder stripped off. Probably, it is very similar in capability to the K30 that was released a few months later. It will be interesting to see what Newson comes up with for Apple. I do fear for things like the Iphone, iPad, etc becoming ergonomic nightmares in the name of styling at Newsons hands. I don't suppose it will make a lot of difference to the typical Apple user, they will be told it is new and wonderful and they will dutifully buy the stuff. I'm sure Apple could put a touch screen on a cat turd and Apple users would hold their noses and buy it. bill -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
on 2014-09-06 8:56 Bill wrote I do fear for things like the Iphone, iPad, etc becoming ergonomic nightmares in the name of styling at Newsons hands. that sums up my concern, though i wouldn't quite expect a nightmare; i'd worry Newson might bring incrementally less focus on user experience as a cost of pumping the style … -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
Marc is one of the most influential designers of his generation, So influential that he managed to kill an entire line of Pentax products before it was effectively born. A lot of manufactures copy if not the actual product, the zeitgeist of Apple products, pretty much every smart phone looks like a iPhone, Even Leica cameras have been favorably compared to iPhones. I wonder if there are now going to be Apple iProducts that look like K-01 cameras and will they get favorable reviews because Apple makes them. On 9/5/2014 7:42 PM, steve harley wrote: not exactly a stellar move IMO — his work with Pentax was not a pinnacle of functional design; but as has been noted, he may have been highly constrained in that project; i'm non-plused as well by what i've seen of his other work http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/09/marc-newson-apple-jony-ive -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Marc Newson becomes Apple employee
The K-01 was rightfully laughed at by photographers while at the same time was praised in other circles and even won a design award. First and foremost I should speak about the design. Marc Newson has done an astounding job with shape and feeling of the K-01. You may have seen photos of the camera online with it’s bright yellow exterior. I opted for a white version, wanting to stand out from the crowd, but not necessarily glowing. The lines of the camera are extremely clean and simple. The body is made of machined aluminum which gives the whole thing an extreme feeling of sturdiness, much like the back of your iPad. It’s accented with a ridged rubber which helps you keep a firm grip on the camera. There’s nothing unnecessary on the K-01, just the bare minimum. I’m also happy to report that there’s no viewfinder on the K-01. It’s a digital camera with a 3″ LCD screen, why on earth would it need one? The camera also does a good job of hiding all of the ports under the rubber grip on the side of the camera, giving it an extremely unified feeling. http://www.thefoxisblack.com/2012/04/09/pentax-k-01-the-best-and-coolest-camera-ive-ever-used/ On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:01 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Marc is one of the most influential designers of his generation, So influential that he managed to kill an entire line of Pentax products before it was effectively born. A lot of manufactures copy if not the actual product, the zeitgeist of Apple products, pretty much every smart phone looks like a iPhone, Even Leica cameras have been favorably compared to iPhones. I wonder if there are now going to be Apple iProducts that look like K-01 cameras and will they get favorable reviews because Apple makes them. On 9/5/2014 7:42 PM, steve harley wrote: not exactly a stellar move IMO — his work with Pentax was not a pinnacle of functional design; but as has been noted, he may have been highly constrained in that project; i'm non-plused as well by what i've seen of his other work http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/09/marc-newson-apple-jony-ive -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
