Re: More on *ist D vs DS
On 3/22/06, Richard Chu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the DS does not have wireless sync with the > AF360FGZ. It doesn't.
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
The DS allows wireless control of the AF360FGZ but not with the built- in flash ... it takes two of the FGZ flash units to do the communications. The D's builtin flash can control the FGZ. I'd forgotten about this as I use flash so infrequently. When I use flash, I use a Sunpak 383, which is non-dedicated, along with a couple of Paterson Eflash panels as slaves, and a handheld flash meter. Godfrey On Mar 22, 2006, at 7:23 AM, Richard Chu wrote: I think the DS does not have wireless sync with the AF360FGZ. I have a D and recently was very tempted to get a DS as a second body because of the low price, but after I "calmed" down, I told myself that I should either save that money for a wide zoom (Pentax 12-24mm or Sigma 10-20mm) or for the new DSLR coming out later in the year.
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
I think the DS does not have wireless sync with the AF360FGZ. I have a D and recently was very tempted to get a DS as a second body because of the low price, but after I "calmed" down, I told myself that I should either save that money for a wide zoom (Pentax 12-24mm or Sigma 10-20mm) or for the new DSLR coming out later in the year. --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Brian Dipert wrote: > > > ... I was surprised to see little > > grumbling about the features that were stripped > off the *ist D in > > the *ist > > DS transition. > > I did mention that there were features removed for > the DS but that I > never missed them. > > > To whit (liberally borrowing from > > www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds): > > o Custom image sizes > > Utterly irrelevant. I always capture with full > resolution and full > format, in RAW format. > > > o TIFF image format option > > Again, irrelevant. TIFF is simply JPEG *** without > compression, > wastes a lot of space for extremely little gain. > > > o Hyper-program > > Never had it so I don't really know what I'm missing > if anything. I > do wish the DS had simple Program-Shift control, > like my Sony does. > > > o Program lines, vs picture modes > > o Two additional user memories > > Never use picture modes on the DS, never used > multiple custom program > settings on my other cameras that had them. The > program lines choices > I've never had but I haven't yet seen anything > particularly more > relevant than P, Av, Tv, and M exposure modes for my > photography. > > > o Altered metering range > > The DS has 1.5 EV less range, 1EV at the bottom and > .5 EV at the top. > This is not enough to matter to me I don't > think I've ever run > into the top of its range, and at the bottom I find > guesstimating and > bracketing more successful than metering. > > > o Two additional manual white balance presets > > Since I capture in RAW format exclusively, my > cameras are always on AWB. > > > o wider built-in flash angle of coverage > > Neither camera's built in flash is worth much other > than for > occasional fill in, and is occluded by a lens hood > on a wide angle > lens anyway. > > > o PC Sync flash terminal > > Not a big deal for me, but for some it might be > important. An adapter > to a PC sync terminal is easily available, however > ... although most > people I know using studio and multiple flash setups > use either > slaves or RF triggers rather than PC sync > connections. > > > o Continuous autofocus option in all exposure > modes > > This was added back to the DS with firmware revision > v2.0. > > > o etc(what did I forget?) > > For those that use them, the powered battery grip on > the D is handy. > I don't use them. > > The larger, higher resolution LCD, improved write > and review > responsiveness, saturation warning display, and > lower price of the DS > mean more to me than any of these features. > > If you intend to stick with Pentax system in the > future and look > forward to buying the new, higher end body in the > Fall, buying > another D body now, which likely means buying a > couple more CF cards > which will be incompatible with the new body, seems > a costly step. > Better to put that money into a DS backup body at > half the price and > 4G worth of fast SD cards. > > Or pay the extra for the D body to have an identical > backup and buy > the SD cards anyway. And an SD->CF adapter or two so > you can use the > cards in your present D body as well as future > bodies. > > Godfrey > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
Apart from the extra knobs and wheels that the D has, I guess I would like to have the feature of triggering my AF360 flash wireless (something that the D has and the DS doesn't). If you want to do that in the DS you need two flash guns. On 3/21/06, Cory Papenfuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >At the risk of getting flamed, I'll put my $0.02 in: > > > o Custom image sizes >Silly for anything but disposable shots IMO. > > > o TIFF image format option >REALLY silly. Almost all the losses of a high-quality JPEG (none > of the benefits of RAW), and 2x larger than the RAW (3x8 bits vs. 1x12 > bits) > > > o Hyper-program >I'm ignorant of it. Don't have on my DS. I'd probably use it if > I had it and would like it, but I've learned the DS. > > > o Program lines, vs picture modes >Picture modes? > > > o Altered metering range >Stop-down metering makes this a bigger deal, but in most cases it > doesn't matter much. > > > o Two additional manual white balance presets >RAW shooting makes white balance settings unnecessary. > > > o wider built-in flash angle of coverage >Built-in flash largely inadequate for all but a "backup" shot IMO. > > > o PC Sync flash terminal >Yes... 'twould be nice. A hotshoe adapter is cheap, though. > > > o Two additional user memories >?? Not sure what that is. > > > o Continuous autofocus option in all exposure modes >Available with v2.0 of the DS firmware, I believe > > > o etc(what did I forget?) > > >From what I understand: > > Pro-D/Anti-DS: >- TTL on built-in flash, not just P-TTL >- CF card if you swing that way > > Anti-D/Pro-DS: >- No automatic histogram after taking a shot (BIG problem IMO) >- Less brain-dead RAW files (only 2x as big as they should be, > rather than 3x for the -D) >- SD card if you swing that way. > >What did *I* forget? :) > > -Cory > > -- > > * > * Cory Papenfuss* > * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student * > * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * > * > >
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
On Mar 21, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Brian Dipert wrote: ... I was surprised to see little grumbling about the features that were stripped off the *ist D in the *ist DS transition. I did mention that there were features removed for the DS but that I never missed them. To whit (liberally borrowing from www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds): o Custom image sizes Utterly irrelevant. I always capture with full resolution and full format, in RAW format. o TIFF image format option Again, irrelevant. TIFF is simply JPEG *** without compression, wastes a lot of space for extremely little gain. o Hyper-program Never had it so I don't really know what I'm missing if anything. I do wish the DS had simple Program-Shift control, like my Sony does. o Program lines, vs picture modes o Two additional user memories Never use picture modes on the DS, never used multiple custom program settings on my other cameras that had them. The program lines choices I've never had but I haven't yet seen anything particularly more relevant than P, Av, Tv, and M exposure modes for my photography. o Altered metering range The DS has 1.5 EV less range, 1EV at the bottom and .5 EV at the top. This is not enough to matter to me I don't think I've ever run into the top of its range, and at the bottom I find guesstimating and bracketing more successful than metering. o Two additional manual white balance presets Since I capture in RAW format exclusively, my cameras are always on AWB. o wider built-in flash angle of coverage Neither camera's built in flash is worth much other than for occasional fill in, and is occluded by a lens hood on a wide angle lens anyway. o PC Sync flash terminal Not a big deal for me, but for some it might be important. An adapter to a PC sync terminal is easily available, however ... although most people I know using studio and multiple flash setups use either slaves or RF triggers rather than PC sync connections. o Continuous autofocus option in all exposure modes This was added back to the DS with firmware revision v2.0. o etc(what did I forget?) For those that use them, the powered battery grip on the D is handy. I don't use them. The larger, higher resolution LCD, improved write and review responsiveness, saturation warning display, and lower price of the DS mean more to me than any of these features. If you intend to stick with Pentax system in the future and look forward to buying the new, higher end body in the Fall, buying another D body now, which likely means buying a couple more CF cards which will be incompatible with the new body, seems a costly step. Better to put that money into a DS backup body at half the price and 4G worth of fast SD cards. Or pay the extra for the D body to have an identical backup and buy the SD cards anyway. And an SD->CF adapter or two so you can use the cards in your present D body as well as future bodies. Godfrey
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
At the risk of getting flamed, I'll put my $0.02 in: o Custom image sizes Silly for anything but disposable shots IMO. o TIFF image format option REALLY silly. Almost all the losses of a high-quality JPEG (none of the benefits of RAW), and 2x larger than the RAW (3x8 bits vs. 1x12 bits) o Hyper-program I'm ignorant of it. Don't have on my DS. I'd probably use it if I had it and would like it, but I've learned the DS. o Program lines, vs picture modes Picture modes? o Altered metering range Stop-down metering makes this a bigger deal, but in most cases it doesn't matter much. o Two additional manual white balance presets RAW shooting makes white balance settings unnecessary. o wider built-in flash angle of coverage Built-in flash largely inadequate for all but a "backup" shot IMO. o PC Sync flash terminal Yes... 'twould be nice. A hotshoe adapter is cheap, though. o Two additional user memories ?? Not sure what that is. o Continuous autofocus option in all exposure modes Available with v2.0 of the DS firmware, I believe o etc(what did I forget?) From what I understand: Pro-D/Anti-DS: - TTL on built-in flash, not just P-TTL - CF card if you swing that way Anti-D/Pro-DS: - No automatic histogram after taking a shot (BIG problem IMO) - Less brain-dead RAW files (only 2x as big as they should be, rather than 3x for the -D) - SD card if you swing that way. What did *I* forget? :) -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss* * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * *
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
Well, the DS can do Spot White balance, the D cannot. -Adam Aaron Reynolds wrote: What white balance options are missing? -Aaron -Original Message- From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: RE: More on *ist D vs DS Date: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:52 pm Size: 1K To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Hi, I don't know what Custom Image Sizes is, so I couldn't miss it; Who needs TIFF when you've got RAW ~and ~ Photoshop; Hyper-Program is cool, but it's not worth $600+ which was the best price of a D vs the price for which I got the DS ; Program Lines/Picture modes - no need for that since I use Av 99% of the time - those are just bells and whistles, IMO; don't know about the diff in the metering range, can you explain? the DS has plenty of white balance options - and when shooting RAW they're really not that important anyway; Don't use flash but for silly snaps of my cat; Don't know what a PC Synch flash terminal is; I'm the only one using my camera, don't need more user memories, does the DS or DS2 have user memories? Continuous Auto Focus nah, don't miss that, never used it. So, what did you decide to get, and why? Shel [Original Message] From: Brian Dipert Thanks to all who provided feedback on whether I should purchase a second *ist D as backup to my existing *ist D, make the jump to the *ist DS/DS2 for my second Pentax DSLR body, or wait for the upcoming 10 Mpixel next-gen. In all the CompactFlash-vs-SD card debate, I was surprised to see little grumbling about the features that were stripped off the *ist D in the *ist DS transition. To whit (liberally borrowing from www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds): o Custom image sizes o TIFF image format option o Hyper-program o Program lines, vs picture modes o Altered metering range o Two additional manual white balance presets o wider built-in flash angle of coverage o PC Sync flash terminal o Two additional user memories o Continuous autofocus option in all exposure modes o etc(what did I forget?) Sonobody misses 'em?
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
C-AF mode, where the camera will focus continuously on a moving object and release the shutter even if the subject isn't in focus, as opposed to the more 'normal' S-AF (Single AF) where the camera locks on then permits release. -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: What exactly is that, and how does it work? Shel [Original Message] From: Adam Maas Continuous AF in all modes is back in the DS with Firmware 2.0.
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
Hello Brian, Simply put, that is why I bought a second *istD rather than an *istDS. The two wheel interface, HyperManual and Program, Grip, etc. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, March 21, 2006, 11:31:31 AM, you wrote: BD> Thanks to all who provided feedback on whether I should purchase a second BD> *ist D as backup to my existing *ist D, make the jump to the *ist DS/DS2 for BD> my second Pentax DSLR body, or wait for the upcoming 10 Mpixel next-gen. In BD> all the CompactFlash-vs-SD card debate, I was surprised to see little BD> grumbling about the features that were stripped off the *ist D in the *ist BD> DS transition. To whit (liberally borrowing from BD> www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds): BD> o Custom image sizes BD> o TIFF image format option BD> o Hyper-program BD> o Program lines, vs picture modes BD> o Altered metering range BD> o Two additional manual white balance presets BD> o wider built-in flash angle of coverage BD> o PC Sync flash terminal BD> o Two additional user memories BD> o Continuous autofocus option in all exposure modes BD> o etc(what did I forget?) BD> Sonobody misses 'em? BD> == BD> Brian Dipert BD> Senior Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Multimedia (audio, displays, 2-D and BD> 3-D graphics, and still and video imaging), PCs and Peripherals BD> EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com BD> My blog: http://www.edn.com/briansbrain BD> 5000 V Street BD> Sacramento, CA 95817 BD> (916) 760-0159, fax (781) 734-8038 BD> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BD> Visit me at http://www.bdipert.com
RE: More on *ist D vs DS
What white balance options are missing? -Aaron -Original Message- From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: RE: More on *ist D vs DS Date: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:52 pm Size: 1K To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Hi, I don't know what Custom Image Sizes is, so I couldn't miss it; Who needs TIFF when you've got RAW ~and ~ Photoshop; Hyper-Program is cool, but it's not worth $600+ which was the best price of a D vs the price for which I got the DS ; Program Lines/Picture modes - no need for that since I use Av 99% of the time - those are just bells and whistles, IMO; don't know about the diff in the metering range, can you explain? the DS has plenty of white balance options - and when shooting RAW they're really not that important anyway; Don't use flash but for silly snaps of my cat; Don't know what a PC Synch flash terminal is; I'm the only one using my camera, don't need more user memories, does the DS or DS2 have user memories? Continuous Auto Focus nah, don't miss that, never used it. So, what did you decide to get, and why? Shel > [Original Message] > From: Brian Dipert > Thanks to all who provided feedback on whether I should purchase a second > *ist D as backup to my existing *ist D, make the jump to the *ist DS/DS2 for > my second Pentax DSLR body, or wait for the upcoming 10 Mpixel next-gen. In > all the CompactFlash-vs-SD card debate, I was surprised to see little > grumbling about the features that were stripped off the *ist D in the *ist > DS transition. To whit (liberally borrowing from > www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds): > o Custom image sizes > o TIFF image format option > o Hyper-program > o Program lines, vs picture modes > o Altered metering range > o Two additional manual white balance presets > o wider built-in flash angle of coverage > o PC Sync flash terminal > o Two additional user memories > o Continuous autofocus option in all exposure modes > o etc(what did I forget?) > > Sonobody misses 'em?
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
What exactly is that, and how does it work? Shel > [Original Message] > From: Adam Maas > Continuous AF in all modes is back in the DS with Firmware 2.0.
RE: More on *ist D vs DS
Hi, I don't know what Custom Image Sizes is, so I couldn't miss it; Who needs TIFF when you've got RAW ~and ~ Photoshop; Hyper-Program is cool, but it's not worth $600+ which was the best price of a D vs the price for which I got the DS ; Program Lines/Picture modes - no need for that since I use Av 99% of the time - those are just bells and whistles, IMO; don't know about the diff in the metering range, can you explain? the DS has plenty of white balance options - and when shooting RAW they're really not that important anyway; Don't use flash but for silly snaps of my cat; Don't know what a PC Synch flash terminal is; I'm the only one using my camera, don't need more user memories, does the DS or DS2 have user memories? Continuous Auto Focus nah, don't miss that, never used it. So, what did you decide to get, and why? Shel > [Original Message] > From: Brian Dipert > Thanks to all who provided feedback on whether I should purchase a second > *ist D as backup to my existing *ist D, make the jump to the *ist DS/DS2 for > my second Pentax DSLR body, or wait for the upcoming 10 Mpixel next-gen. In > all the CompactFlash-vs-SD card debate, I was surprised to see little > grumbling about the features that were stripped off the *ist D in the *ist > DS transition. To whit (liberally borrowing from > www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds): > o Custom image sizes > o TIFF image format option > o Hyper-program > o Program lines, vs picture modes > o Altered metering range > o Two additional manual white balance presets > o wider built-in flash angle of coverage > o PC Sync flash terminal > o Two additional user memories > o Continuous autofocus option in all exposure modes > o etc(what did I forget?) > > Sonobody misses 'em?
Re: More on *ist D vs DS
Continuous AF in all modes is back in the DS with Firmware 2.0. Hyperprogram and the PC-Sync terminal are the two big losses for me, along with the lack of a vertical grip (An option I love). -Adam Brian Dipert wrote: Thanks to all who provided feedback on whether I should purchase a second *ist D as backup to my existing *ist D, make the jump to the *ist DS/DS2 for my second Pentax DSLR body, or wait for the upcoming 10 Mpixel next-gen. In all the CompactFlash-vs-SD card debate, I was surprised to see little grumbling about the features that were stripped off the *ist D in the *ist DS transition. To whit (liberally borrowing from www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistds): o Custom image sizes o TIFF image format option o Hyper-program o Program lines, vs picture modes o Altered metering range o Two additional manual white balance presets o wider built-in flash angle of coverage o PC Sync flash terminal o Two additional user memories o Continuous autofocus option in all exposure modes o etc(what did I forget?) Sonobody misses 'em? == Brian Dipert Senior Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Multimedia (audio, displays, 2-D and 3-D graphics, and still and video imaging), PCs and Peripherals EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com My blog: http://www.edn.com/briansbrain 5000 V Street Sacramento, CA 95817 (916) 760-0159, fax (781) 734-8038 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit me at http://www.bdipert.com
