Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Hi whickersworld, on 20 Aug 03 you wrote in pentax.list: >I've been told a street price of Euro 1199 in mainland >Europe, including sales tax at 14-16%, and would guess a US >tax free street price of $999, although the list price will >of course be higher. It's even cheaper: the _MSRP_ is 1099,- Euro without lens, 1199,- with the new EF-S lens. That means, the street price will be below that... Cheers, Heiko
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Mark wrote: > Pentax will have to respond by building a *real* entry-level DSLR like > the 300D. That'll happen in about a year, I'd guess. According to Pentax president, a novice DSLR will be in place before 2005. And a pro model as well. My guess is that PMA 2004 could be interesting. If not then, certainly at the Ulan Bator show. Pål
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Watching Pentax go after this DSLR market is like watching a Roadrunner cartoon. Canon is the Roadrunner and Pentax is the "day late and a dollar short" coyote. No, that's not right. Nikon is the coyote. Pentax is the cactus in the background. Beep! Beep! BR Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >According to Pentax president, a novice DSLR will be in place before 2005. And a pro >model as well. My guess is that PMA 2004 could be interesting. If not then, certainly >at the Ulan Bator show. __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Why? Should Pentax drop the price on the MZ-S because the Rebel is cheaper? Let me put it this way, Cotty, if I had the money to buy a DSLR (and I do not merely mean if I could afford it, I mean if I could come up with the money at all) I would buy the istD. If I had all the money in the world, I would buy the 1DS, but short of that, I think the istD is best DSLR I have handled. If you need image stablization, or your customers are going to be impressed by a big camera, get a Canon 10D or up, but short of that the istD wins hands down. You can not believe how nice it is until you handle it, and the viewfinder is an order of magnitude better than Canon's postage stamp looking one. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D > <http://www.letsgodigital.nl/webpages/firstlook/canon/D300/index_uk.html> > > Will Pentax drop the price a bit to respond? > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps > _ > Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Does anyone else get the feeling that "before 2005" ought to be "before 2004" if Pentax are to keep up with the competition? Jostein - Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > According to Pentax president, a novice DSLR will be in place before 2005. And a pro model as well. My guess is that PMA 2004 could be interesting. If not then, certainly at the Ulan Bator show. >
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Well, at the risk of repeating myself. The istD seems to me to be the very first DSLR that was designed to be a DSLR rather than an adaptation of a FSLR. As such it is at least one generation ahead of the competition. You pick it up and you are 50% convinced it fits nicely in your hands and has a solid no nonsense feel all the controls make sense. You look through the viewfinder and you are 100% convinced. No I doubt that it will take substantially better photos than the competition. But it is in ergonomics that it wins. Did someone mention that it has the hypermode that allows you to put it in program mode then tweak the aperture with one wheel and the shutter speed with the other? Pretty neat. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D > Does anyone else get the feeling that "before 2005" ought to be "before > 2004" if Pentax are to keep up with the competition? > Jostein > > - Original Message - > From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > According to Pentax president, a novice DSLR will be in place before 2005. > And a pro model as well. My guess is that PMA 2004 could be interesting. If > not then, certainly at the Ulan Bator show. > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/03
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 04:30 PM, Jostein wrote: Does anyone else get the feeling that "before 2005" ought to be "before 2004" if Pentax are to keep up with the competition? Jostein "Should" and "Ought To" have no conceptually equivalent terms in the Pentax lexicon (belongs in the class of things that include the number of dolphin words for "doorknob"). Dan
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Graywolf wrote: > >Should Pentax drop the price on the MZ-S because the Rebel is cheaper? No, they should drop the price anyway! ;-) John
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Hi John, on 24 Aug 03 you wrote in pentax.list: >That's great news for digital SLR buyers ... and another >blow for Pentax. :-( I'm not sure. The 300D is really a poor rebel. You can't choose the metering modes as you want, you can't stay on a focus point frame after frame without (cumbersomely) rechoosing the point etc. See this discussion for more examples: http://camerasystems.info/showmsg.jsp?id=10345891034594A&forum=72 Cheers, Heiko
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
After seeing price drops on eBay for Canon D30's and D60's (and maybe soon, the D10), it might be the same case with the *istD on retail and eBay. I'm holding out for a dslr Pentax that takes all of the Pentax lens lineup without having to resort to some manipulation of camera controls to get older K mounts to be useful on it. Jim A. > From: "T Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:40:11 -0400 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:41:49 -0400 > > You know what? I find it strange that you guys think Pentax needs the best > DSLR (1DS competitor) for the cheapest price (300D competitor). Realizing > that, I also realize that you are not really interesting in Pentax DSLRs, > but are merely trolls. > > I think Pentax wanted to have a cheaper DSLR out for Christmas trade, but I > do not think that will happen. Maybe in the spring. Also I think there will > be a higher-end DSLR out by Christmas 2004. That means the istD is firmly in > the middle of the future lineup. Also I expect a rather steep price drop for > the istD after the 1st of the year. > > The above are personal, unfounded on anything, personal opinions. Just like > the rest of the crap here from certain posters. > > Ciao, > Graywolf > http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto > > > - Original Message - > From: "whickersworld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> That's great news for digital SLR buyers ... and another >> blow for Pentax. :-( > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/03 > >
RE: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 24, 2003 3:59 PM I don't think Pentax ever aimed (and *certainly* never claimed) to be going for the lead in consumer DSLRs with the *ist-D. It's simply too expensive. So is a $900 DSLR, in fact. When prices get to around $500 we'll see. Despite it being cheap in comparison to other DSLRs, the 300D is still plenty expensive from the point of view of the vast majority of photo hobbyists, much less casual consumers. The D100, S2, 10D and *ist-D will still sell pretty much up to the respective manufacturer's capacity to build them. The 300D doesn't take a slice of their pie, it takes from a different pie altogether. I agree. Pentax is not aiming at the "casual consumer" with the *ist-D. That camera is aimed at the serious armature that is looking for a digital SLR. I think that the 300D is a bit too cheap (plastic mount etc) to appeal to someone putting down close to $2K Canadian for a camera. I think most folks looking for a camera in this class will still go for fixed lens rangefinder with a wide range zoom lens and a lower cost. Cannon is suggesting that the 300D will do for digital what the AE1 did to 35 mm SLR's, but the AE1 never had the kind of very competent rangefinder camera's that the 300D must compete with. For instance Nikon's Coolpix 5000 series cameras, or Minolta Dimage A1 that is a fixed lens SLR, or even Cannons own PowerShot G5. Also, have you seen how most people use a digital, they use the LCD screen to compose their picture, not the viewfinder ...I think SLR's will be for those quite serious about their photography. Personally, I will wait for Pentax to come out with a full frame 35mm digital and I am able to afford that ...until then my MZS will be my main camera and my Optio 430RS will do the digital thing. ...Mike.
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:05:21 +0100, you wrote: >The EOS 300D is a marketing triumph, and you are just going >to have to get used to that fact without calling other >people "trolls" or describing their opinions as "crap". It >isn't worth getting upset about. Just live with it. > >John ...and I say, just as authoritatively as you, that the 300D will be a marketing *flop*. Consumers with a thousand bucks for a camera are much smarter than Canon realizes. The will invariably spend the extra few hundred for the 10D rather than be seen as kiddie-Rebel-photographer-wannabees. Or, as Mike suggests, they will go for a nicely specified digicam for the same or less money. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Hi John, on 24 Aug 03 you wrote in pentax.list: >> I'm not sure. The 300D is really a poor rebel. You can't>choose the >> metering modes as you want, you can't stay on a focus point frame >> after frame without (cumbersomely) rechoosing the point etc. >The *very* low price of the EOS 300D and the fact that you >get a similar number of pixels as the EOS 10D, Nikon D100 >and Fuji Finepix S2 for so much less money means that it >will be the consumer DSLR of choice this Christmas, just >when we thought that Pentax had claimed the lead in consumer >DSLRs with the *ist D. Yes, the 300D will obviously sell better than the 10D, D100, S2 or *istD. But I never saw the *istD as a cheap consumer DSLR that would sell in larger numbers than other comparable products. I'm quite sure that Pentax will sell as many *istD as they can produce - and that is the optimal situation for a manufacturer. The 300D is simply another class of DSLR - many people will buy without knowing its strengths and weaknesses. Some will buy it to get a cheap DSLR, others in order to have a status symbol. Many won't care about the cameras features. The *istD is another class - it is a tool for semi-pros. This class has its own customers and they will still buy these more expensive cameras because of their benefits: more (manual) features and better materials. If this class wouldn't exist, then Canon wouldn't sell a 300D and a 10D. >In an instant, the EOS 300D has redefined the digital SLR >and moved it firmly into the consumer arena, and nothing >will ever be the same. Yes, Canon has opened a new market segment - the consumer DSLR. >History will judge the announcement of the 300D to have been a turning >point in the world of imaging, and the *ist D will be just another >Pentax model -although a worthy one. Pentax has choosen to play in another arena - the semi-pro DSLRs. I'm quite sure that all surviving DSLR manufacturers will offer a range of DSLRs in the (near) future: consumer, semi-pro, pro. Simply transfer the analog product range to the digital arena. This is a inevitable development and I don't think that Canon did a really revoultionary thing - they were the first, simply and only. >Imaging? You know, that's the thing we used to call "photography". Photo-what? Ah, I remember... that were those cameras with that strange spool-Compact-Flash (SCF) in the back, weren't they? ;-) Cheers, Heiko
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Well certainly, an *istD has less bagage to it's name than KISS. http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=KISS&String=exact This camera can't be meant to be anything more than a p&s with a bayonet lens mount. Otoh, I'm sure it'll drag a lot of users into the DSLR market. Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: "Heiko Hamann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D > Hi John, > > on 24 Aug 03 you wrote in pentax.list: > > > >That's great news for digital SLR buyers ... and another > >blow for Pentax. :-( > > I'm not sure. The 300D is really a poor rebel. You can't choose the > metering modes as you want, you can't stay on a focus point frame after > frame without (cumbersomely) rechoosing the point etc. See this > discussion for more examples: > http://camerasystems.info/showmsg.jsp?id=10345891034594A&forum=72 > > Cheers, Heiko > >
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Jostein wrote: > Well certainly, an *istD has less bagage to it's name than KISS. > http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=KISS&String=exact > > This camera can't be meant to be anything more than a p&s with a bayonet > lens mount. > Otoh, I'm sure it'll drag a lot of users into the DSLR market. > > Jostein > - > Pictures at: http://oksne.net > - Maybe it will come with face paint? KISSKnights in Satans Service (band) - Chris -- Chris Murray /"\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN http://apeman.org/ XAGAINST HTML MAIL Cell: 604.861.8307 / \/ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
...and I say, just as authoritatively as you, that the 300D will be a marketing *flop*. Consumers with a thousand bucks for a camera are much smarter than Canon realizes. The will invariably spend the extra few hundred for the 10D rather than be seen as kiddie-Rebel-photographer-wannabees. Or, as Mike suggests, they will go for a nicely specified digicam for the same or less money. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com With all due respect, I beg to differ. The "homework" that a typical beginner does was to walk into a drugstore, an electronic store, or whatever (but not a camera store), and see the low end models of Canon (Rebel), Minolta and Pentax. They ended up buying a Rebel Ti in most cases because that's the latest model, it is the most expensive in the store, and on paper there are more features than the others, though they have no idea whether they need those features. The salesperson then rounded out the sale with some overpriced filter and cleaning kit... I don't think the DSLR buying process is any different from the film SLR one. $1,000 is not really that much money, they could have spent it on a digicam anyway. The difference between a Digital Rebel and a 10D is so subtle, that many 10D owners are lamenting on digital camera discussion boards already over their purchases, and their tactic was to tone down the Digital Rebel as a cheap, inferior camera. No there is nothing wrong with it at all. I have handled a relatively recent Rebel, it is not what you think, nothing like the original Rebel or EOS 1000. I personally would not use it, but I have to admit it is a pretty strong photographic tool. I'd expect the price gap of 10D and 300D to narrow, until they match the price gap between a Elan 7E and a Rebel Ti. And I'd further expect *ist D to track the 10D price closely.
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
I *might* be able to replace my whole kit for under $1K. CW - Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D > i spent over $1K for only one camera, my Nikon Coolpix 5000. it was one of the first digital P&S available with 5 megapixels. i have used it a lot and made quite a few images i have sold with it. in the last couple of months i have shot more film than digital because of the limited lens FOV choices i have with the digital camera. when i get the *istD, i expect to change to about 70% digital using it, a small percentage staying with the Coolpix 5000, and probably around 25% still with film. > > Herb > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:52 > Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D > > > > How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras > > of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit > > approximate and include the MZ-S). > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Dear Mark, None of the cameras I currently own, body only, exceed the $900 mark: Fuji GS645S (used), Contax G2 (used), Pentax Z-1p (new). Nor are any of the cameras I previously owned which forms a very long list. (Nikon FE2, FA, F3, F2AS, F70, F801s, F601, Canon EOS 100, 10s, 5, 630, Pentax LX) Maybe some of these costed more than $900 when new. If I put down my money for the *istD in fact it will be my first such camera. Alas, what am I doing and how did the manufacturers got me to believe that $1,000 for a DSLR is cheap ? Bo-Ming Tong
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Ineresting question, Mark. If I use that $900 as an absolute number, I have never owned such a camera. However if we adjust for inflation. I have owned a Rolleiflex 2.8, Linhof Super Technica, Mamiya Universal (2 of them actually) even used they cost more than that in adjusted real dollars. Probably the two MX I bought new come close to that, certainly if you count the lenses (35/2 on one and 85/2 on the other) and winders with them. Heck the Pentax H3 at $200 in 1962 probably comes to the equivalent of that. Of course back in those days I had 2 things I don't have today, a real income, and good credit. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:52 AM Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D > Robert Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >$1000 may not be alot of money to those accustomed to getting semi-pro > >or pro equipment, but to a typical beginner, it is alot of money. > > How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras > of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit > approximate and include the MZ-S). > > I have 2 such cameras: > MZ-S (with battery grip) > 645 > > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/03
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
That would have too answers, Mark. 1% of serious photographers, 1/1000th of 1% if you count the pure snapshooters. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D > "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Mark Roberts wrote: > > > >>How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras > >>of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit > >>approximate and include the MZ-S). > >> > > > >If you make that "anything that shoots" I've got several in and beyond > >that price range. :-) > > HAR! > > I just thought of a better survey question to ask: > How many people have never spent over $500 for a camera? > (And how much of the camera-buying public falls under this category?) > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/03
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Mark Roberts wrote: I just thought of a better survey question to ask: How many people have never spent over $500 for a camera? Well, I have to back out on that one. I have spent over $500 for a camera, several times... (And how much of the camera-buying public falls under this category?) Worded that way, I'd guess the majority of people would fall well short of that category. -- Later, Gary
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
> How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras > of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit > approximate and include the MZ-S). > Nope. Never. Never would, either. Which is why, if in a while (three to six months), the 300D has a street price below $900 or used ones reselling on ebay, it's going to look very good to me. OTOH, I could wait six-eight-twelve months for everything to come down even more. To fall to within my price range. Lenses are expensive enough, if you buy more than one you are getting up there. And I would prefer to put most of my money (when I have money) into glass. In fact, right now I am just trying to figure out if I want to spring for a decent one. If/when/how. Marnie aka Doe :-) Besides I found out at the end of the summer that the woman's pictures (B&W street photography) that I really admired in my last class were shot on... a Rebel! Blew me away. She also auto focused everything. I suspect she had good glass, but let's face it, even dinky Canon Rebels can take good pictures.
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
MZ-S Ken Waller On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:52:11 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: > > How about an informal survey of how many people on this > list own cameras > of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make > that a little bit > approximate and include the MZ-S). > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com Ken Waller PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
For me, $1000 is still too much for a low end camera. We need the equivalent of the *ist body with a 6 MP senor in it for about $600. (for those who don't realize this, the *ist and *ist D have completely different bodies, although the AF and segment meters appear to be the same). Also, Pentax is NEVER going to beat Canon to market with anything. Canon is just too big, and even Nikon plays catch-up. Any obvious marketing idea, such as a cheap DSLR, will always come from Canon first. The important thing for Pentax is to try not to lag too far behind. The biggest problem is that Canon controls its own chips, whereas Pentax and Nikon have to look elsewhere. Oh, yeah. I do have an MZ-S $ grip (about $1000). I also have a 645, but I got that used for $500 with the 75 2.8.
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
People have gotten spoiled by just how cheap cameras have become in the last 30 years. If one were to use inflation adjusted, constant dollars, or how long, on average, one would have to work to pay for a camera you'd see how inexpensive they've become. 1000, 2003 dollars wouldn't pay for a 1973 Spotmatic. That Canon's price is around a week's pay for the average person, and a lot less for many. BR Robert Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >$1000 may not be alot of money to those accustomed to getting semi-pro >or pro equipment, but to a typical beginner, it is alot of money.
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Mark Roberts wrote: > I just thought of a better survey question to ask: > How many people have never spent over $500 for a camera? Me. And I don't think I will ever spend the equivalent of $500 for a camera (even in the UK/EU where money buys you less). > (And how much of the camera-buying public falls under this category?) I am stumped here. Kostas
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
My most expensive lens is Tamron 300mm/2.8 and paid 700usd. I spent 1500usd on my Nikon LS-4000 scanner. There are set of people who can not spend 1.5K on camera body. There are another set of people(like me), who can spend money but it takes long time convince themselves. One year back, I never thought that I will be spending 700usd on a single lens(300mm/2.8); it took more than 6 months to convince myself that I can not get 300mm/2.8 lens for 400usd and need to spend at least 700usd. Similarly, at present I am trying to convince myself that I need to spend 1.5K to buy a DSLR. Thanks Ramesh --- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Mark Roberts wrote: > > > >>How about an informal survey of how many people on > this list own cameras > >>of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll > make that a little bit > >>approximate and include the MZ-S). > >> > > > >If you make that "anything that shoots" I've got > several in and beyond > >that price range. :-) > > HAR! > > I just thought of a better survey question to ask: > How many people have never spent over $500 for a > camera? > (And how much of the camera-buying public falls > under this category?) > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:13:35 -0400, Herb Chong wrote: > even with me being a nickel and dime stock photography person, > i spend substantially more than $1K/year on film and processing. > if i went 100% digital, the *istD could pay for itself in as few > as 4 months. Ignoring ancillaries (memory cards, etc.) an *ist-D at US$ 1700 would pay for itself in almost exactly two years based on my usage. A three day race usually runs me from 30 to 40 rolls of film (800-1000 exposures). My recent five day vacation was 20 rolls (about 600 exposures). Add a bit to pay for the memory cards, etc. I already have all of the computer stuff necessary, including printer. I'm seriously considering it. The only down side is that several of my lenses are SMC or SMC-M (or 3rd party equivalents). The up side of that is that my three most used lenses are F or FA level. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
The most I've ever spent on a camera (I'm assuming a body and one lens?) is my
Leica CL, which at about $500US, is right at your arbitrarily set limit. And,
they tend to go for about that or a bit more on eBay in reasonable condition.
Higher at KEH, like around $500US without lens, and $700 or $800 with - and
not worth it at that price.
But anyway, by far, the most expensive camera I've ever bought, but then I'm
one of those reviled individuals who never buys new ('cause I've never had the
money ).
cheers,
frank
Mark Roberts wrote:
> I just thought of a better survey question to ask:
> How many people have never spent over $500 for a camera?
> (And how much of the camera-buying public falls under this category?)
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> Photography and writing
> www.robertstech.com
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Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
Steve Desjardins wrote: > > For me, $1000 is still too much for a low end camera. We need the > equivalent of the *ist body with a 6 MP senor in it for about $600. Steve, All you need to do is wait a while. It will surely come. Maybe by end of 2004? John
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
even with me being a nickel and dime stock photography person, i spend substantially more than $1K/year on film and processing. if i went 100% digital, the *istD could pay for itself in as few as 4 months. Herb - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 13:21 Subject: Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D > I *might* be able to replace my whole kit for under $1K. >
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
On 26 Aug 2003 at 11:52, Mark Roberts wrote: > How about an informal survey of how many people on this list own cameras > of any type/brand that cost $900 or more (I'll make that a little bit > approximate and include the MZ-S). MZ-S + Grip and five others that fall into the well over US$900 mark at the moment. I recently liquidated a couple of US$1k plus cameras and an assortment of lenses (not all Pentax) but I'll be watching very carefully before I commit any cash to Pentax kit. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: More serious competition for *ist-D - Kiss Digital/300D
>Marnie aka Doe :-) Besides I found out at the end of the summer that the >woman's pictures (B&W street photography) that I really admired in my >last class >were shot on... a Rebel! Blew me away. She also auto focused everything. I >suspect she had good glass, but let's face it, even dinky Canon Rebels >can take >good pictures. Marnie, you better brace yourself for a bit of a shock. Cameras don't take pictures, photographers do. But I knew what you meant ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
