Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 05:08:48PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I just do s composite. If someone???s eyes are closed in a take I like, I > just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal > photoshop skills it???s easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, > > Paul I believe that's actually a feature of an app that was released some time in the last year; it does all the facial recognition and replaces any faces with closed eyes with the image of the same person from a different shot. you just take multiple images, and the app will auto-composite them with no further input from you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
With one group, I started doing a "zombie photo" of the group as an inside joke. I eventually noticed that after doing something silly, people would always look more relaxed and happy in regular group photos after doing something silly or cheering to get the group energy up. The important thing is to make sure that everybody understands that it is time to stop doing the silly things for the "serious" photo. Similarly, when doing portraits of a couple, I noticed that they just wouldn't/couldn't relax, so I had them make out for a bit, and that was great for getting them in a happier more relaxed mood. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
Well I have a huge problem with glare, personally...so I'm extra sensitive to any bright light especially if it flashes for only a second... But I'm not the only one with the problem. i'm pretty much anti flash from an aesthetic standpoint too , I confess. I would still suggest that anyone taking a group shot of the elderly refrain from using direct flash.. even if it would cause not long lasting effects, it is painful in the moment. to give you an idea of what I suffer from, I blow out candles in restaurants or move them to another table because of the glare... it is the contrast between light and dark. ann On 1/14/2018 12:28 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: Ann, Large groups, flash will be at distance, out doors it is just to get the twinkle in the eye, indoors the flash is not very strong or with large diffuser like umbrella, modern sensors see much more light than the human eye! No worries about poor eyes! Greetz, Jos On 14-Jan-18 01:04, ann sanfedele wrote: Jos, I really hope you don't ask people to look at your flash gun.. this is NOT good for eyes, especially elderly ones! If you must use artificial light, bounce the flash, please... Flash is hardly necessary for posed group shtos these days.. better to up your ISO ann On 1/13/2018 6:25 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: To improve the success rate with large groups I follow some advises: * I tell them to go closer to each other. CLOSER! * You must see my lens with both eyes, otherwise you are covered partly * If there is a flashgun I tell them to see the flash with both eyes otherwise there will be a shadow on your face * While shooting, Speak to them to keep attention (jokes and/or compliments) Greetz, Jos On 13-Jan-18 22:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
With dogs I think you have to go with a factorial... On 1/13/2018 8:13 PM, John Coyle wrote: Others will be better mathematicians than I am, but I might suggest N^N-1, based on my own experience, especially when dogs are included! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor PDML-StR Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2018 7:48 AM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud) Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
You can't evade Murphy's Law. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. > Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, > I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment > someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... > So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and > another one for another person... > > > So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of > photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. > When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an > extra (or two). So, > for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. > For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or > 2+2). > ... > > One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... > But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad > moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, > plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. > The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I > suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where > N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where > everybody looks fine. > > Ghm... > > Igor > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
But Cotty, most people wouldn't do it with a hacksaw... On 1/14/2018 5:50 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, ditto -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
Ann, Large groups, flash will be at distance, out doors it is just to get the twinkle in the eye, indoors the flash is not very strong or with large diffuser like umbrella, modern sensors see much more light than the human eye! No worries about poor eyes! Greetz, Jos On 14-Jan-18 01:04, ann sanfedele wrote: Jos, I really hope you don't ask people to look at your flash gun.. this is NOT good for eyes, especially elderly ones! If you must use artificial light, bounce the flash, please... Flash is hardly necessary for posed group shtos these days.. better to up your ISO ann On 1/13/2018 6:25 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: To improve the success rate with large groups I follow some advises: * I tell them to go closer to each other. CLOSER! * You must see my lens with both eyes, otherwise you are covered partly * If there is a flashgun I tell them to see the flash with both eyes otherwise there will be a shadow on your face * While shooting, Speak to them to keep attention (jokes and/or compliments) Greetz, Jos On 13-Jan-18 22:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
> On 14 Jan 2018, at 11:51, Rob Studdert wrote: > > http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/10/06/1752039.htm > The prize for medicine was well-deserved that year. I wonder how they figured that out, whether it was the theoreticians who first proposed it, or the experimentalists in a moment of diaphragmatic desperation. > >> On 14 January 2018 at 21:50, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I >>> just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal >>> photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, >> >> ditto >> >> -- >> >> >> Cheers, >> Cotty >> >> >> ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and >> || (O) |Live Broadcast News >> -- >> _ >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) > Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours > Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/10/06/1752039.htm On 14 January 2018 at 21:50, Steve Cottrell wrote: > On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I >>just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal >>photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, > > ditto > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and > || (O) |Live Broadcast News > -- > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
On 13/1/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >I just do s composite. If someone's eyes are closed in a take I like, I >just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal >photoshop skills it's easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, ditto -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
A slightly taller tripod & a step stool/step ladder to stand on might help to ensure the back row people can't hide behind the front row people. On 1/13/2018 16:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
Others will be better mathematicians than I am, but I might suggest N^N-1, based on my own experience, especially when dogs are included! John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Igor PDML-StR Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2018 7:48 AM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud) Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
Jos, I really hope you don't ask people to look at your flash gun.. this is NOT good for eyes, especially elderly ones! If you must use artificial light, bounce the flash, please... Flash is hardly necessary for posed group shtos these days.. better to up your ISO ann On 1/13/2018 6:25 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote: To improve the success rate with large groups I follow some advises: * I tell them to go closer to each other. CLOSER! * You must see my lens with both eyes, otherwise you are covered partly * If there is a flashgun I tell them to see the flash with both eyes otherwise there will be a shadow on your face * While shooting, Speak to them to keep attention (jokes and/or compliments) Greetz, Jos On 13-Jan-18 22:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
To improve the success rate with large groups I follow some advises: * I tell them to go closer to each other. CLOSER! * You must see my lens with both eyes, otherwise you are covered partly * If there is a flashgun I tell them to see the flash with both eyes otherwise there will be a shadow on your face * While shooting, Speak to them to keep attention (jokes and/or compliments) Greetz, Jos On 13-Jan-18 22:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another one for another person... So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an extra (or two). So, for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). ... One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where everybody looks fine. Ghm... Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Multiple takes of group photos (thinking out loud)
I just do s composite. If someone’s eyes are closed in a take I like, I just cut their head out of another shot and paste it in. With minimal photoshop skills it’s easy to do a perfect job in a matter of minutes, Paul > On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > > Occasionally I am asked to take a group photo. > Every time I am choosing the best (or even usable) photo from the set, > I am struggling with finding one. The reason is that at any given moment > someone takes less then the best pose, facial expression, ... > So, you end up with one photo where it's better for one person, and another > one for another person... > > > So, I've been thinking about some empirical formula for the number of photos > I need to take to ensure I could choose one where everybody is OK. > When I have 1 person, the first photo will be bad, so, I need to take an > extra (or two). So, > for 1 person: 1+1 (or 1+2) photos. > For 2 people I will have about two bad ones (one for each), so, 2+1 (or 2+2). > ... > > One might think that for N people, I'd need N+1 (or N+2)... > But that's wrong, because in addition to everybody having individual bad > moments, I will have a combination of bad poses in more then one person, > plus, people getting distracted when the crowd grows close to 10 and above. > The deduction and combinatorics does not seem to work well here, but I > suspect that statistically, I'd need N^2+1 or even N!+1 (where > N!=1*2*3*...*N) to optimize the probability of finding one photo where > everybody looks fine. > > Ghm... > > Igor > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
