Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-06 Thread Adam Maas
Peter Lacus wrote:
> Adam,
> 
 big hit in Nikon-land, that's only because the Nikon 50/1.4 is fairly 
 average in performance not because the Zeiss is legendary in its 
 performance.
>>> especially when it's Cosina Zeiss...
> 
>> Yet several of the Cosina-built Zeiss lenses outperform their Contax 
>> predecessors. Notably the ZF 25/2.8(which is an entirely new design) and 
>> the ZM 21/2.8.
> 
> don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Cosina. Actually they are 
> quite like Pentax and usually offer excellent value for money. But these 
> "Carl Zeiss" lenses are far from that - Pentax own Limiteds are much 
> better value IMO.
> 
> BTW Contax(Kyocera)/Cosina doesn't matter, both are building lenses in 
> some automated factory so I'd expect similar results. The price of 
> original Zeiss/Leica glass is higher because of the labour cost involved 
> (hand assembly, testing), while this is perhaps slightly above standard 
> mass production with fancy name on top of it (an unnecessarily high 
> price IMHO).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Peter
> 

Pentax LTD's are an incredible value, costing significantly less than 
any other lenses of equivalent quality other than the Voightlanders and 
some Nikkor AI-S's. Price against L glass sometime and look how 
incredible the LTD's value is.

The Carl Zeiss lenses from Cosina & Zeiss are actually a decent value 
compared to what their Contax predecessors and Leica competition. Note 
the current Zeiss lenses are individually QC'd by Zeiss on Zeiss test 
kit located in the Cosina factory in Japan. They're also one of the very 
few lens lines produced entirely in Japan or Germany (Cosina is the only 
Japanese lens manufacturer to produce all of its lenses in Japan, Zeiss 
makes a couple of the ZM line in Germany as Cosina isn't setup to handle 
floating elements). Even Leica can't say that (Leica only does finishing 
and QC in Germany, base production is elsewhere, IIRC it's Portugal).

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-06 Thread Mishka
I have 3 Cosina "Voightlander" lenses in PKA, and their
build and optical quality is no worse than that of Pentax LTDs in every respect.
They are quite costly too.

best,
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On 7/6/07, Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam,
>
> >>>big hit in Nikon-land, that's only because the Nikon 50/1.4 is fairly
> >>>average in performance not because the Zeiss is legendary in its
> >>>performance.
> >>
> >>especially when it's Cosina Zeiss...
>
> > Yet several of the Cosina-built Zeiss lenses outperform their Contax
> > predecessors. Notably the ZF 25/2.8(which is an entirely new design) and
> > the ZM 21/2.8.
>
> don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Cosina. Actually they are
> quite like Pentax and usually offer excellent value for money. But these
> "Carl Zeiss" lenses are far from that - Pentax own Limiteds are much
> better value IMO.
>
> BTW Contax(Kyocera)/Cosina doesn't matter, both are building lenses in
> some automated factory so I'd expect similar results. The price of
> original Zeiss/Leica glass is higher because of the labour cost involved
> (hand assembly, testing), while this is perhaps slightly above standard
> mass production with fancy name on top of it (an unnecessarily high
> price IMHO).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Lacus
Adam,

>>>big hit in Nikon-land, that's only because the Nikon 50/1.4 is fairly 
>>>average in performance not because the Zeiss is legendary in its 
>>>performance.
>>
>>especially when it's Cosina Zeiss...

> Yet several of the Cosina-built Zeiss lenses outperform their Contax 
> predecessors. Notably the ZF 25/2.8(which is an entirely new design) and 
> the ZM 21/2.8.

don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Cosina. Actually they are 
quite like Pentax and usually offer excellent value for money. But these 
"Carl Zeiss" lenses are far from that - Pentax own Limiteds are much 
better value IMO.

BTW Contax(Kyocera)/Cosina doesn't matter, both are building lenses in 
some automated factory so I'd expect similar results. The price of 
original Zeiss/Leica glass is higher because of the labour cost involved 
(hand assembly, testing), while this is perhaps slightly above standard 
mass production with fancy name on top of it (an unnecessarily high 
price IMHO).

Cheers,

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-05 Thread Adam Maas
Peter Lacus wrote:
>> big hit in Nikon-land, that's only because the Nikon 50/1.4 is fairly 
>> average in performance not because the Zeiss is legendary in its 
>> performance.
> 
> especially when it's Cosina Zeiss...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Peter
> 

Yet several of the Cosina-built Zeiss lenses outperform their Contax 
predecessors. Notably the ZF 25/2.8(which is an entirely new design) and 
the ZM 21/2.8.

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-05 Thread Peter Lacus

> big hit in Nikon-land, that's only because the Nikon 50/1.4 is fairly 
> average in performance not because the Zeiss is legendary in its 
> performance.

especially when it's Cosina Zeiss...

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-04 Thread Cotty
On 3/7/07, Bertil Holmberg, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Any views on Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 glass vs the Pentax version(s)?

Yeah, you can see through the Pentax version.

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jul 4, 2007, at 12:38 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

>> Besides, you can't buy an SMC Pentax-A 24mm f/2.8 new anywhere that I
>> know of.
> If I didn't already have it, that might be a consideration.
>
> But since I *do* already have one, I'm more interested to know if
> there's sufficient "blow your socks off" quality difference to justify
> replacing it.

I can answer that without even thinking: no.

The Pentax-A 24/2.8 is a very good lens. The Zeiss is without a doubt  
better, but as in the evaluation of high end stereo, how much better  
and whether it has any practical significance is questionable. A  
greater difference in quality would be seen by putting the camera on  
a tripod vs working hand held.

I've seen this time and time again. Once you're at the quality level  
of a lens like the A24/2.8, the improvement lent by a better lens is  
pretty difficult to see.

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-04 Thread Adam Maas
John Sessoms wrote:
> From:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi
>> On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:18 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>>
 Any views on Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 glass vs the Pentax version(s)?

>>> Or the Zeiss 25mm f/2.8 vs. Pentax SMCP-A 24mm f/2.8?
>> Having had the Pentax-A lens, and based on the stuff I've seen with 
>> the Zeiss, I'd take the Zeiss.
>>
>> Besides, you can't buy an SMC Pentax-A 24mm f/2.8 new anywhere that I 
>> know of.
> If I didn't already have it, that might be a consideration.
> 
> But since I *do* already have one, I'm more interested to know if 
> there's sufficient "blow your socks off" quality difference to justify 
> replacing it.
> 
> 

I suggest perusing the 24/25mm lens tests over at 16-9.net.

Here's the ZF 25/2.8 vs. the Canon 24/1.4L (the winner of their 24mm roundup, 
the Pentax didn't even qualify as they found the Sigma 24/2.8 SuperWide II to 
be superior)

http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/zf25_canon24/zeiss_zf25a.html

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-04 Thread John Sessoms
From:
Godfrey DiGiorgi
> On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:18 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
>
>>> Any views on Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 glass vs the Pentax version(s)?
>>>
>> Or the Zeiss 25mm f/2.8 vs. Pentax SMCP-A 24mm f/2.8?
>
> Having had the Pentax-A lens, and based on the stuff I've seen with 
> the Zeiss, I'd take the Zeiss.
>
> Besides, you can't buy an SMC Pentax-A 24mm f/2.8 new anywhere that I 
> know of.
If I didn't already have it, that might be a consideration.

But since I *do* already have one, I'm more interested to know if 
there's sufficient "blow your socks off" quality difference to justify 
replacing it.


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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-04 Thread Thibouille
Lens with aperture ring on chich you can read two writing for each
aperture value are Nikon lens (yeah Tamron Adaptall2-K adapter had
that too for aperture in the viewfinder trick).

2007/7/4, Alastair Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> why is there no A setting on the aperture ring then?
> Alastair
>
> On 7/4/07, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > - Mensaje original 
> > De: Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Enviado: martes, 3 de julio, 2007 21:32:18
> > Asunto: Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!
> >
> > >They way I understand the last paragraph on the web page, the lenses
> > will indeed be KA mount. I don't necessarily claim to be fluent in
> > Spanish, though...
> >
> > You are fluent enough Toralf  ;-)
> > "the objectives will be compatible with the standard SMC-A"
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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-04 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Because lens on the photo is in Nikon F mount! :-)

Cheers,
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On 04.07.2007, at 11:12 , Alastair Robertson wrote:

> why is there no A setting on the aperture ring then?


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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-04 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
The end of the picture caption says "(...), like this Planar 85 mm f1.4 for 
Nikon"

So the picture shows a Nikon mount lens, not Pentax KA.

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Asunto: Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

why is there no A setting on the aperture ring then?
Alastair

On 7/4/07, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Asunto: Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!
>
> >They way I understand the last paragraph on the web page, the lenses
> will indeed be KA mount. I don't necessarily claim to be fluent in
> Spanish, though...
>
> You are fluent enough Toralf  ;-)
> "the objectives will be compatible with the standard SMC-A"
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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-04 Thread Alastair Robertson
why is there no A setting on the aperture ring then?
Alastair

On 7/4/07, Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Asunto: Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!
>
> >They way I understand the last paragraph on the web page, the lenses
> will indeed be KA mount. I don't necessarily claim to be fluent in
> Spanish, though...
>
> You are fluent enough Toralf  ;-)
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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-04 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
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Enviado: martes, 3 de julio, 2007 21:32:18
Asunto: Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

>They way I understand the last paragraph on the web page, the lenses 
will indeed be KA mount. I don't necessarily claim to be fluent in 
Spanish, though...

You are fluent enough Toralf  ;-)
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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Adam Maas
John Sessoms wrote:
> From:
> Bertil Holmberg
>> Any views on Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 glass vs the Pentax version(s)?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bertil 
> Or the Zeiss 25mm f/2.8 vs. Pentax SMCP-A 24mm f/2.8?
> 
> 

The testing I've seen on the Zeiss indicates it's notably better in 
performance than the Nikkor 24/2.8 AI-S. I've not owned the Pentax (it's 
lack of availability was one reason I went back to Nikon kit as my 
primary choice) but the test shots I've seen indicate it's maybe a match 
for the Nikkor but not for the Zeiss.

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:18 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

>> Any views on Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 glass vs the Pentax version(s)?
>>
> Or the Zeiss 25mm f/2.8 vs. Pentax SMCP-A 24mm f/2.8?

Having had the Pentax-A lens, and based on the stuff I've seen with  
the Zeiss, I'd take the Zeiss.

Besides, you can't buy an SMC Pentax-A 24mm f/2.8 new anywhere that I  
know of.

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread John Sessoms
From:
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> Any views on Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 glass vs the Pentax version(s)?
>
> Regards,
> Bertil 
Or the Zeiss 25mm f/2.8 vs. Pentax SMCP-A 24mm f/2.8?


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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Adam Maas
Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 04/07/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Which is good news. An actually available 85/1.4 (although one that is
>> inferior to the Pentax SMC-A version), a couple of superb macros, a 35/2
>> , a 50 that's not really worth bothering with (While the 50 has been a
>> big hit in Nikon-land, that's only because the Nikon 50/1.4 is fairly
>> average in performance not because the Zeiss is legendary in its
>> performance. I'd rather a Pentax 50/1.4 than the Zeiss) and a superb
>> 25/2.8 (which is really the gem of the current Zeiss line of 35mm SLR
>> lenses).
> 
> At the very least I can see the CZ 50/2 macro replacing a handful of
> my Pentax 50mm lenses, so it shouldn't cost too much in the end.
> 

For me, the most interesting is the 25/2.8(in ZF form though). But 
that's a bread & butter focal length for me. The 50/2 does look 
interesting as a replacement for a few 50's, but I need speed more than 
the macro capability at that length.

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 04/07/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Which is good news. An actually available 85/1.4 (although one that is
> inferior to the Pentax SMC-A version), a couple of superb macros, a 35/2
> , a 50 that's not really worth bothering with (While the 50 has been a
> big hit in Nikon-land, that's only because the Nikon 50/1.4 is fairly
> average in performance not because the Zeiss is legendary in its
> performance. I'd rather a Pentax 50/1.4 than the Zeiss) and a superb
> 25/2.8 (which is really the gem of the current Zeiss line of 35mm SLR
> lenses).

At the very least I can see the CZ 50/2 macro replacing a handful of
my Pentax 50mm lenses, so it shouldn't cost too much in the end.

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Adam Maas
Bertil Holmberg wrote:
> Any views on Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 glass vs the Pentax version(s)?
> 
> Regards,
> Bertil
> 

I think it was 16-9.net that posted a comparison of fast 85's. The SMC-A 
and Canon f1.2L essentially tied for 1st place. The Zeiss comes in 
behind the Nikkor AI-S (and therefore behind the Nikkor AF-D which 
outperforms the AI-S version). Essentially it's a very good lens that 
happens to be the worst of the current lot.

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Bertil Holmberg
Any views on Zeiss 85mm f/1.4 glass vs the Pentax version(s)?

Regards,
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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Adam Maas
Toralf Lund wrote:
>> [ ... ]
>> The only downside is that it would be very nice indeed to see them  
>> support the Pentax KA mount rather than just the K mount  
>> specification. That would lend much more functionality to the Pentax  
>> DSLRs metering operations.
>>   
> They way I understand the last paragraph on the web page, the lenses 
> will indeed be KA mount. I don't necessarily claim to be fluent in 
> Spanish, though...
> 
> - Toralf
> 
> 

Which is good news. An actually available 85/1.4 (although one that is 
inferior to the Pentax SMC-A version), a couple of superb macros, a 35/2 
, a 50 that's not really worth bothering with (While the 50 has been a 
big hit in Nikon-land, that's only because the Nikon 50/1.4 is fairly 
average in performance not because the Zeiss is legendary in its 
performance. I'd rather a Pentax 50/1.4 than the Zeiss) and a superb 
25/2.8 (which is really the gem of the current Zeiss line of 35mm SLR 
lenses).

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Toralf Lund

> [ ... ]
> The only downside is that it would be very nice indeed to see them  
> support the Pentax KA mount rather than just the K mount  
> specification. That would lend much more functionality to the Pentax  
> DSLRs metering operations.
>   
They way I understand the last paragraph on the web page, the lenses 
will indeed be KA mount. I don't necessarily claim to be fluent in 
Spanish, though...

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>These lenses are wonderful performers in Nikon mount and should be  
>equally wonderful in Pentax mount.
>
>The only downside is that it would be very nice indeed to see them  
>support the Pentax KA mount rather than just the K mount  
>specification. That would lend much more functionality to the Pentax  
>DSLRs metering operations.

>From the DP Review Pentax forum:
"Rodolfo Biber clarifies that these new objectives with mount K are 
compatible with standard SMC-A and that, therefore, can work with the 
automatism of speed and diaphragm of the body of the camera."



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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread pnstenquist
Excellent! Now I just have to win the lottery.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
> >These lenses are wonderful performers in Nikon mount and should be  
> >equally wonderful in Pentax mount.
> >
> >The only downside is that it would be very nice indeed to see them  
> >support the Pentax KA mount rather than just the K mount  
> >specification. That would lend much more functionality to the Pentax  
> >DSLRs metering operations.
> 
> >From the DP Review Pentax forum:
> "Rodolfo Biber clarifies that these new objectives with mount K are 
> compatible with standard SMC-A and that, therefore, can work with the 
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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 10:55:15AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote..
> 
> On Jul 3, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> 
> >> It seems that there will be the MF models already available for  
> >> Nikon:
> >> Planar 50 mm f1.4 in August
> >> Later ZK Planar 85 mm
> >> f1.4 and Distagon 25 mm f2.8 and 35 mm f2
> >>
> >> At the end of the year, Makro-Planar 50 mm f2 and 100 mm f2
> >
> > Prices would be interesting to know  :)
> 
> US prices should be pretty similar to the Nikon mount versions of  
> these lenses, which are all listed at B&H Photo's website. Roughly  
> $500-2000 apiece, average around $900-1000 apiece.

Pricy, but to be expected from Zeiss.  Ah well.. I'll stick to my
Zeiss glass in Hasselblad mount then :-)

Wilko

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jul 3, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Wilko Bulte wrote:

>> It seems that there will be the MF models already available for  
>> Nikon:
>> Planar 50 mm f1.4 in August
>> Later ZK Planar 85 mm
>> f1.4 and Distagon 25 mm f2.8 and 35 mm f2
>>
>> At the end of the year, Makro-Planar 50 mm f2 and 100 mm f2
>
> Prices would be interesting to know  :)

US prices should be pretty similar to the Nikon mount versions of  
these lenses, which are all listed at B&H Photo's website. Roughly  
$500-2000 apiece, average around $900-1000 apiece.

Godfrey

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 08:08:51AM -0700, Jaume Lahuerta wrote..
> I have just seen this in a Spanish (reliable) site:
> http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/carl-zeiss-zk-pentax,1_3449

You can have it automatically translated in a (sort of) English
by working via http://babelfish.altavista.com

> It seems that there will be the MF models already available for Nikon:
> Planar 50 mm f1.4 in August
> Later ZK Planar 85 mm
> f1.4 and Distagon 25 mm f2.8 and 35 mm f2
> 
> At the end of the year, Makro-Planar 50 mm f2 and 100 mm f2

Prices would be interesting to know  :)

Wilko

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Re: New Carl Zeiss lenses for Pentax K mount!

2007-07-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
These lenses are wonderful performers in Nikon mount and should be  
equally wonderful in Pentax mount.

The only downside is that it would be very nice indeed to see them  
support the Pentax KA mount rather than just the K mount  
specification. That would lend much more functionality to the Pentax  
DSLRs metering operations.

Godfrey


On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

> I have just seen this in a Spanish (reliable) site:
> http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/carl-zeiss-zk-pentax,1_3449
>
> It seems that there will be the MF models already available for Nikon:
> Planar 50 mm f1.4 in August
> Later ZK Planar 85 mm
> f1.4 and Distagon 25 mm f2.8 and 35 mm f2
>
> At the end of the year, Makro-Planar 50 mm f2 and 100 mm f2


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