Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-19 Thread Thibouille
2007/9/16, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Actually the image looks surprisingly film like.

Mmm I have to admit I didn't look at it from that angle.
Still seems very strange to me but maybe my brain (or eyes) are
already too much used to usual digital-CCD-like grain.

Maybe I should take my KX for a couple BW shots.

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-17 Thread mike wilson

 
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 Date: 2007/09/16 Sun PM 11:23:14 GMT
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 Subject: Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
 
 On 16/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-17 Thread David J Brooks
Is it something i said.:-)

Dave

On 9/17/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2007/09/16 Sun PM 11:23:14 GMT
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  Subject: Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
 
  On 16/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
  I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML
  quote list solely for the purpose of embarrassing people.
 
  Mark!

 I managed to resist that.  Glad to see you are weaker than I. 8-


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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-16 Thread Thibouille
Mmm if you look at the girl's nose just next to her left eye, the
details are actually quite grainy (is that English?).

I don't know if it is the in-camera processing or the CMOS processing
but there's defenitely heavy noise reduction here, and sometimes
(where I hinted at) it doesn't work too well.

It is dangerous IMO because it means some area of the photo show a
whole lot more noise than others (not related to bad exposure). I
don't like that at all IMO.

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-16 Thread David J Brooks
On 9/16/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mmm if you look at the girl's nose just next to her left eye, the
 details are actually quite grainy (is that English?).

 I don't know if it is the in-camera processing or the CMOS processing
 but there's defenitely heavy noise reduction here, and sometimes
 (where I hinted at) it doesn't work too well.

 It is dangerous IMO because it means some area of the photo show a
 whole lot more noise than others (not related to bad exposure). I
 don't like that at all IMO.

I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway.

Dave

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually the image looks surprisingly film like.

David J Brooks wrote:
 On 9/16/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Mmm if you look at the girl's nose just next to her left eye, the
 details are actually quite grainy (is that English?).

 I don't know if it is the in-camera processing or the CMOS processing
 but there's defenitely heavy noise reduction here, and sometimes
 (where I hinted at) it doesn't work too well.

 It is dangerous IMO because it means some area of the photo show a
 whole lot more noise than others (not related to bad exposure). I
 don't like that at all IMO.
 

 I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway.

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-16 Thread mike wilson
David J Brooks wrote:

 I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway.

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-16 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson wrote:

David J Brooks wrote:

 I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway.

Mark!

I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML 
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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-16 Thread mike wilson
Mark Roberts wrote:
 mike wilson wrote:
 
 
David J Brooks wrote:


I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway.

Mark!
 
 
 I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML 
 quote list solely for the purpose of embarrassing people.
 evil grin

It's not for embarrassment, it's to demonstrate how easily we can fall 
from the moral high ground.  At least, I'm pretty sure it will be.

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RE: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-16 Thread Bob W
 
 
 I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway.
 
 Mark!
  
  
  I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual
PDML 
  quote list solely for the purpose of embarrassing people.
  evil grin
 
 It's not for embarrassment, it's to demonstrate how easily we 
 can fall 
 from the moral high ground.  At least, I'm pretty sure it will be.
 

The moral high ground is having no plans to steal any more DSLRs and
murder the shopkeeper. Nobody here has rejected that course of action,
you'll notice. And we call ourselves civilised!

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML 
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Mark!

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-15 Thread Carlos Royo
Digital Image Studio escribió:
 On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor
 that actually capture sharp images
 
 Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with
 ISO3200 images of this quality:
 
 http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_004.jpg
 
 

It seems an excellent ISO 3200 sample, but if you look at the face of 
the girl closely, it has the typicla plastic look that results from 
applying heavy noise reduction. Perhaps it has something to do with the 
CMOS image sensor.

Carlos

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-15 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 15/09/2007, Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It seems an excellent ISO 3200 sample, but if you look at the face of
 the girl closely, it has the typicla plastic look that results from
 applying heavy noise reduction. Perhaps it has something to do with the
 CMOS image sensor.

I think it's got more to do with the distinct lack of source photons
than what family type of sensor it uses. What I'm pretty sure of is
that it's streets ahead of the K10D (which of course doesn't even have
a ISO 3200 option), it kills the *ist D at ISO 3200 and it would
probably put to shame the best quality 645 !SO 3200 film scan.

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-15 Thread David J Brooks
On 9/14/07, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:56 PM
 Subject: Nikon D300 sample photos


  http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d300/sample.htm
  That raises one question. Is it wort it? I seen Pentax K10D perform
  better than that and with more contrasty situations rather than
  carefully weighted studio lighting for this Harley Davidson set...


 What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor
 that actually capture sharp images

My D1, D1H and K10D produce, arghh, your right Dave, not worth it.

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-14 Thread Pål Jensen

- Original Message - 
From: Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: Nikon D300 sample photos


 http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d300/sample.htm
 That raises one question. Is it wort it? I seen Pentax K10D perform
 better than that and with more contrasty situations rather than
 carefully weighted studio lighting for this Harley Davidson set...


What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor 
that actually capture sharp images 



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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-14 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor
 that actually capture sharp images

Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with
ISO3200 images of this quality:

http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_004.jpg


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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-14 Thread David Savage
What's wrong with

A.

Never mind.

Cheers,

Dave


On 9/14/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor
  that actually capture sharp images

 Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with
 ISO3200 images of this quality:

 http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_004.jpg

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-14 Thread Adam Maas
Pål Jensen wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:56 PM
 Subject: Nikon D300 sample photos
 
 
 http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d300/sample.htm
 That raises one question. Is it wort it? I seen Pentax K10D perform
 better than that and with more contrasty situations rather than
 carefully weighted studio lighting for this Harley Davidson set...
 
 
 What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor 
 that actually capture sharp images 
 

When someone comes up with a reliable software fix for moire. The soft images 
are due to the Anti Aliasing filter, which exists to cut down on moire. Since 
there's a software fix for what the AA filter does to the image (although Nikon 
traditionally tries to avoid much in-camera sharpening) and moire is much 
harder to fix in post, this is a tradeoff that most are willing to settle for.

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-14 Thread pnstenquist
Yes, what a disaster. The guy should have shot it on Ektachrome 400 and pushed 
it three stops:-).
Paul
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 On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor
  that actually capture sharp images
 
 Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with
 ISO3200 images of this quality:
 
 http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_00
 4.jpg
 
 
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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-14 Thread John Sessoms
From:
Digital Image Studio
 On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor
  that actually capture sharp images
 
 Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with
 ISO3200 images of this quality:

 http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_004.jpg
I'm guessing that's sarcasm, although I did get a crick in my neck 
trying to turn sideways to actually look at it. Gotta get me one of them 
monitors that has the swivel arm so you can rotate it for vertical shots.

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Re: Nikon D300 sample photos

2007-09-14 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 15/09/2007, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm guessing that's sarcasm, although I did get a crick in my neck
 trying to turn sideways to actually look at it. Gotta get me one of them
 monitors that has the swivel arm so you can rotate it for vertical shots.

Sarcasm? Indeed, at its height.

You don't have to bother with the monitor, just get an image viewer
that respects the EXIF rotation tag ;-)

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