Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
2007/9/16, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually the image looks surprisingly film like. Mmm I have to admit I didn't look at it from that angle. Still seems very strange to me but maybe my brain (or eyes) are already too much used to usual digital-CCD-like grain. Maybe I should take my KX for a couple BW shots. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/16 Sun PM 11:23:14 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Nikon D300 sample photos On 16/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML quote list solely for the purpose of embarrassing people. Mark! I managed to resist that. Glad to see you are weaker than I. 8- - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
Is it something i said.:-) Dave On 9/17/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/16 Sun PM 11:23:14 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Nikon D300 sample photos On 16/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML quote list solely for the purpose of embarrassing people. Mark! I managed to resist that. Glad to see you are weaker than I. 8- - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
Mmm if you look at the girl's nose just next to her left eye, the details are actually quite grainy (is that English?). I don't know if it is the in-camera processing or the CMOS processing but there's defenitely heavy noise reduction here, and sometimes (where I hinted at) it doesn't work too well. It is dangerous IMO because it means some area of the photo show a whole lot more noise than others (not related to bad exposure). I don't like that at all IMO. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
On 9/16/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmm if you look at the girl's nose just next to her left eye, the details are actually quite grainy (is that English?). I don't know if it is the in-camera processing or the CMOS processing but there's defenitely heavy noise reduction here, and sometimes (where I hinted at) it doesn't work too well. It is dangerous IMO because it means some area of the photo show a whole lot more noise than others (not related to bad exposure). I don't like that at all IMO. I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway. Dave -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
Actually the image looks surprisingly film like. David J Brooks wrote: On 9/16/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmm if you look at the girl's nose just next to her left eye, the details are actually quite grainy (is that English?). I don't know if it is the in-camera processing or the CMOS processing but there's defenitely heavy noise reduction here, and sometimes (where I hinted at) it doesn't work too well. It is dangerous IMO because it means some area of the photo show a whole lot more noise than others (not related to bad exposure). I don't like that at all IMO. I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway. Dave -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
David J Brooks wrote: I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
mike wilson wrote: David J Brooks wrote: I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway. Mark! I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML quote list solely for the purpose of embarrassing people. evil grin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson wrote: David J Brooks wrote: I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway. Mark! I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML quote list solely for the purpose of embarrassing people. evil grin It's not for embarrassment, it's to demonstrate how easily we can fall from the moral high ground. At least, I'm pretty sure it will be. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Nikon D300 sample photos
I still have no plans on buying any more Dslr's anyway. Mark! I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML quote list solely for the purpose of embarrassing people. evil grin It's not for embarrassment, it's to demonstrate how easily we can fall from the moral high ground. At least, I'm pretty sure it will be. The moral high ground is having no plans to steal any more DSLRs and murder the shopkeeper. Nobody here has rejected that course of action, you'll notice. And we call ourselves civilised! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
On 16/09/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: I have no plans on putting any more quotations into the annual PDML quote list solely for the purpose of embarrassing people. Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
Digital Image Studio escribió: On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor that actually capture sharp images Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with ISO3200 images of this quality: http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_004.jpg It seems an excellent ISO 3200 sample, but if you look at the face of the girl closely, it has the typicla plastic look that results from applying heavy noise reduction. Perhaps it has something to do with the CMOS image sensor. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 15/09/2007, Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems an excellent ISO 3200 sample, but if you look at the face of the girl closely, it has the typicla plastic look that results from applying heavy noise reduction. Perhaps it has something to do with the CMOS image sensor. I think it's got more to do with the distinct lack of source photons than what family type of sensor it uses. What I'm pretty sure of is that it's streets ahead of the K10D (which of course doesn't even have a ISO 3200 option), it kills the *ist D at ISO 3200 and it would probably put to shame the best quality 645 !SO 3200 film scan. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
On 9/14/07, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Nikon D300 sample photos http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d300/sample.htm That raises one question. Is it wort it? I seen Pentax K10D perform better than that and with more contrasty situations rather than carefully weighted studio lighting for this Harley Davidson set... What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor that actually capture sharp images My D1, D1H and K10D produce, arghh, your right Dave, not worth it. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
- Original Message - From: Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Nikon D300 sample photos http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d300/sample.htm That raises one question. Is it wort it? I seen Pentax K10D perform better than that and with more contrasty situations rather than carefully weighted studio lighting for this Harley Davidson set... What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor that actually capture sharp images -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor that actually capture sharp images Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with ISO3200 images of this quality: http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_004.jpg -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
What's wrong with A. Never mind. Cheers, Dave On 9/14/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor that actually capture sharp images Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with ISO3200 images of this quality: http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_004.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
Pål Jensen wrote: - Original Message - From: Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Nikon D300 sample photos http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d300/sample.htm That raises one question. Is it wort it? I seen Pentax K10D perform better than that and with more contrasty situations rather than carefully weighted studio lighting for this Harley Davidson set... What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor that actually capture sharp images When someone comes up with a reliable software fix for moire. The soft images are due to the Anti Aliasing filter, which exists to cut down on moire. Since there's a software fix for what the AA filter does to the image (although Nikon traditionally tries to avoid much in-camera sharpening) and moire is much harder to fix in post, this is a tradeoff that most are willing to settle for. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
Yes, what a disaster. The guy should have shot it on Ektachrome 400 and pushed it three stops:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor that actually capture sharp images Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with ISO3200 images of this quality: http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_00 4.jpg -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Nikon D300 sample photos
From: Digital Image Studio On 14/09/2007, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm wondering about is when anyone is going to manufacture a sensor that actually capture sharp images Indeed, I think it's appalling that people will have to put up with ISO3200 images of this quality: http://chsv.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3/img/sample/pic_004.jpg I'm guessing that's sarcasm, although I did get a crick in my neck trying to turn sideways to actually look at it. Gotta get me one of them monitors that has the swivel arm so you can rotate it for vertical shots. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 15/09/2007, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing that's sarcasm, although I did get a crick in my neck trying to turn sideways to actually look at it. Gotta get me one of them monitors that has the swivel arm so you can rotate it for vertical shots. Sarcasm? Indeed, at its height. You don't have to bother with the monitor, just get an image viewer that respects the EXIF rotation tag ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
