Re: OT: Enablement? 4x5 film holders (Any ideas?)

[Mark C]

Pinholes are a ton of fun. I've been using a TLR converted to a pinhole 
- a very simple and easy system to work with:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/kinoflex-tlr-pinhole?blog=9

On my camera, the pinhole is not very good - its only ~ f180 and was 
drilled, not a laser hole. So lots of distortion but not the real long 
times that come at higher f stops. But, the finder lens in the TLR 
corresponds well with the pinhole "lens" so framing shots in very easy, 
and the finder lens is actually quite bright. Just set the camera to "B" 
mode and shoot away. Looking at my camera - it was modified simply by 
removing the glass lens and replacing it with a pinhole. No need to 
change the shutter or anything else. Seems like a simple modification 
for the mechanically inclined, and even "broken" tlrs - clouded lenses, 
stuck apertures, inaccurate shutters - could be converted so long as the 
shutter B (or T) mode works and film can still be spooled into it.


I tried using a 6x7 Pinhole body cap from this place:

http://www.pinholeedun.com/Products_and_Ordering.html

Much better pinhole than the TLR but you can't frame up the shot with 
the body cap in place - so you get into lens swapping. (A finder that 
corresponds to a normal lens might work and I have one (for the Pentax 
Q) that would fit into a flash hotshoe - if only the 6x7 had a 
hotshoe...) Also the body cap is not light proof so either you get light 
leaks or use some kind of tape to block the light leaks... More fiddly 
than the TLR approach but it produces some nice results.


Have fun!

Mark




On 1/16/2016 11:10 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Not that anybody has expressed any interest, but it is a slow weekend
so I'm going to post a little follow-up.

My recent 4x5 sheet film holder enablement has reignited my desire to
get into pinhole cameras. I've had such a hankering since at least
back to 2009 when I bookmarked a bunch of resources. Never having
enough books, I ordered Brian J. Krummel's "The Pinhole Camera" (which
has great reviews) and it arrived late this week.

The thing that fascinates me about pinhole is the stretching of time
through long exposures. It causes you to look at scenes in a
different way. Sort of like using a 10x ND filter, but different. Also
the extreme "f-stop" means that everything is in focus (extreme DOF).
I also like that there are a million different ways to make pinhole
cameras: flat film plane, curved film plane, anamorphic film plane...
each with different results. You can use photographic paper for the
negatives or film for the negatives.

I also like the whimsy potential of many pinhole cameras (oatmeal
boxes, empty paint cans, wooden cigar boxes, etc.) You can also
exercise your woodworking skills, if you like. This 13 part YouTube
video series is a little slow and tedious, but also very educational
(showing workarounds when things don't go 100% according to plans)...
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LktSccQhfbM

In other enablement news, I've got a thing for Pentax preset lenses
and I found a minty 1957 Takumar 135mm f3.5 with original leather case
and the metal lens cap that says simply "PENTAX". I've wanted that
lens cap for a long time. So it is on its way now. It will find its
place alongside my other preset lenses, the Macro-Takumar 50mm f/4,
the Tele-Takumar 200mm f/5.6 and 300mm f/6.3, and the Takumar 200mm
f/3.5. I've also got a preset Auto Vivitar 85mm f/1.8 but I've got
some difficulty (T-mount or otherwise) because I can't make it reach
infinity focus.


On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:25 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

There's a stall on Greenwich market which sells them as picture frames.

B


On 4 Jan 2016, at 01:30, Darren Addy  wrote:

I call upon the PDML Collective Hive for ideas (and, optionally,
LINKS) to fun things to do with 4x5 film holders. I tripped across a
box of some, priced too cheaply, at a local antique store and bought
the lot intending to sell the majority.

However, I intend to keep 2 or 3 for myself. One obvious project would
be to make a pinhole camera. Anyone have a favorite design (or plans)
to share? (PS: International Pinhole Photography Day is April 24,
2016)

I've also seen some ultrawide (think Hasselblad SWC) cameras built,
but those would require the future purchase of a wide lens/shutter
combo that is outside my planned expenditures for at least a while.

Alternative ideas are also welcomed. I have no 4x5 camera ATTM, but I
suppose buying or building one of those from scratch would be another
possibility. I do have a 4x5 enlarger and paper up to 20x24 that I'm
itching to do SOMETHING with.

PS... if you are interested, a good video 5 minute video on Pinhole
can be found here:
http://www.withoutlenses.com/articles/general/about-pinhole-from-nancy-breslin


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Re: OT: Enablement? 4x5 film holders (Any ideas?)

[steve harley]

On 2016-01-16 21:10 , Darren Addy wrote:

My recent 4x5 sheet film holder enablement has reignited my desire to
get into pinhole cameras. I've had such a hankering since at least
back to 2009 when I bookmarked a bunch of resources. Never having
enough books, I ordered Brian J. Krummel's "The Pinhole Camera" (which
has great reviews) and it arrived late this week.


i have just been going through my stock of unused stuff and you got me 
thinking — i have a few 4x5 filmholders and a B Grover view camera sans 
lens-board (both thrifted) — sounds like all i'd need is to make a pinhole, 
get some film, or maybe just mix up a photosensitive medium …




In other enablement news, I've got a thing for Pentax preset lenses
and I found a minty 1957 Takumar 135mm f3.5 with original leather case
and the metal lens cap that says simply "PENTAX". I've wanted that
lens cap for a long time. So it is on its way now. It will find its
place alongside my other preset lenses, the Macro-Takumar 50mm f/4,
the Tele-Takumar 200mm f/5.6 and 300mm f/6.3, and the Takumar 200mm
f/3.5. I've also got a preset Auto Vivitar 85mm f/1.8 but I've got
some difficulty (T-mount or otherwise) because I can't make it reach
infinity focus.


i too have the Macro-Takumar 50/4 and it's a real sweetie on m43 — it's 
light enough to not completely imbalance the camera, the EVF compensates for 
the darkened view, and the center-magnify function is a great macro focus 
aid; it's going with me on my next trip (rest of kit will be E-M5, 20/1.7 
and 14/2.8) … sic non transit gloria Pentax



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Re: OT: Enablement? 4x5 film holders (Any ideas?)

[Darren Addy]

Cool Steve!
Misery loves company, so cool to hear you have an easy path to a
pinhole camera. You have the added benefit of being able to vary your
focal length with the view camera. Here's a handy calculator to help
make sense of the variables: http://www.mrpinhole.com/calcpinh.php
Also, if you have photographic paper around you can go with that in
the film holder for a very slow ISO medium. Contact print for
positives, or use a scanner to convert to digital.

Also glad to hear you plan on getting some use out of your
Macro-Takumar preset.  Look forward to seeing some shots from that
trip with it!

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Re: OT: Enablement? 4x5 film holders (Any ideas?)

[Darren Addy]

Not that anybody has expressed any interest, but it is a slow weekend
so I'm going to post a little follow-up.

My recent 4x5 sheet film holder enablement has reignited my desire to
get into pinhole cameras. I've had such a hankering since at least
back to 2009 when I bookmarked a bunch of resources. Never having
enough books, I ordered Brian J. Krummel's "The Pinhole Camera" (which
has great reviews) and it arrived late this week.

The thing that fascinates me about pinhole is the stretching of time
through long exposures. It causes you to look at scenes in a
different way. Sort of like using a 10x ND filter, but different. Also
the extreme "f-stop" means that everything is in focus (extreme DOF).
I also like that there are a million different ways to make pinhole
cameras: flat film plane, curved film plane, anamorphic film plane...
each with different results. You can use photographic paper for the
negatives or film for the negatives.

I also like the whimsy potential of many pinhole cameras (oatmeal
boxes, empty paint cans, wooden cigar boxes, etc.) You can also
exercise your woodworking skills, if you like. This 13 part YouTube
video series is a little slow and tedious, but also very educational
(showing workarounds when things don't go 100% according to plans)...
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LktSccQhfbM

In other enablement news, I've got a thing for Pentax preset lenses
and I found a minty 1957 Takumar 135mm f3.5 with original leather case
and the metal lens cap that says simply "PENTAX". I've wanted that
lens cap for a long time. So it is on its way now. It will find its
place alongside my other preset lenses, the Macro-Takumar 50mm f/4,
the Tele-Takumar 200mm f/5.6 and 300mm f/6.3, and the Takumar 200mm
f/3.5. I've also got a preset Auto Vivitar 85mm f/1.8 but I've got
some difficulty (T-mount or otherwise) because I can't make it reach
infinity focus.


On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:25 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> There's a stall on Greenwich market which sells them as picture frames.
>
> B
>
>> On 4 Jan 2016, at 01:30, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>
>> I call upon the PDML Collective Hive for ideas (and, optionally,
>> LINKS) to fun things to do with 4x5 film holders. I tripped across a
>> box of some, priced too cheaply, at a local antique store and bought
>> the lot intending to sell the majority.
>>
>> However, I intend to keep 2 or 3 for myself. One obvious project would
>> be to make a pinhole camera. Anyone have a favorite design (or plans)
>> to share? (PS: International Pinhole Photography Day is April 24,
>> 2016)
>>
>> I've also seen some ultrawide (think Hasselblad SWC) cameras built,
>> but those would require the future purchase of a wide lens/shutter
>> combo that is outside my planned expenditures for at least a while.
>>
>> Alternative ideas are also welcomed. I have no 4x5 camera ATTM, but I
>> suppose buying or building one of those from scratch would be another
>> possibility. I do have a 4x5 enlarger and paper up to 20x24 that I'm
>> itching to do SOMETHING with.
>>
>> PS... if you are interested, a good video 5 minute video on Pinhole
>> can be found here:
>> http://www.withoutlenses.com/articles/general/about-pinhole-from-nancy-breslin
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: OT: Enablement? 4x5 film holders (Any ideas?)

[Bob W-PDML]

There's a stall on Greenwich market which sells them as picture frames.

B

> On 4 Jan 2016, at 01:30, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> I call upon the PDML Collective Hive for ideas (and, optionally,
> LINKS) to fun things to do with 4x5 film holders. I tripped across a
> box of some, priced too cheaply, at a local antique store and bought
> the lot intending to sell the majority.
> 
> However, I intend to keep 2 or 3 for myself. One obvious project would
> be to make a pinhole camera. Anyone have a favorite design (or plans)
> to share? (PS: International Pinhole Photography Day is April 24,
> 2016)
> 
> I've also seen some ultrawide (think Hasselblad SWC) cameras built,
> but those would require the future purchase of a wide lens/shutter
> combo that is outside my planned expenditures for at least a while.
> 
> Alternative ideas are also welcomed. I have no 4x5 camera ATTM, but I
> suppose buying or building one of those from scratch would be another
> possibility. I do have a 4x5 enlarger and paper up to 20x24 that I'm
> itching to do SOMETHING with.
> 
> PS... if you are interested, a good video 5 minute video on Pinhole
> can be found here:
> http://www.withoutlenses.com/articles/general/about-pinhole-from-nancy-breslin
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pinhole Photography: It's not just for Hipsters any more!
> 
> 

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