Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
>>Ultraman is alive and well in today's Japan. To be found in any toystore >>in >>the niknak dept. > >Also a common accessory for the Hong Kong child. My daughter's got an >Ultrman bucket and spade set. Never thought any female would love the Ultraman, except for the 'Q' versions maybe. :) regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Ultraman is alive and well in today's Japan. To be found in any toystore in the niknak dept. Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Hi, Dave, I guess the point that I was thinking (but probably didn't articulate) with regard to photography, is that a professional photographer can hate taking pictures of ketchup bottles and bowls of soup all day for ad layouts, but that won't necessarily prevent him from getting out on weekends and taking his/her on hikes and taking pics for fun. So you may eventually hate the drudgery of the job, but like the hobbyist aspects of it. regards, frank "David A. Mann" wrote: > One thing I learned in life is that there is an inherent danger in turning your > hobby into a career. > > When I was young I was into electronics in a big way, so becoming an > electrical engineer was the natural thing to do. I later learned that one of the > reasons I was so enthusiastic was because I could play around with whatever > interested me at the time. Now I get told what to do so the relative lack of > freedom killed off my enthusiasm a bit. The limited job market for engineers > down here doesn't help things much. > > I do think that if you get the _right_ job within your chosen "hobby-career" > you will really enjoy yourself. You've just got to make sure that what your boss > tells you to do is what you wanted to do in the first place :) > > Its only recently that I've started a couple of electronic projects in my spare > time. Partly to rejuvenate my interest, partly to get my brain going again, and > partly for commercial spinoffs that could help me retire young ;) Anybody > wanna buy a picture? > > Cheers, > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 12:21 PM, aimcompute wrote: > Now I've come to realize that if it was my sole means of making a > living, > the fun would be gone and it would be like most other professions. Fun > and > exciting at first, followed by periods of satisfaction, followed by > periods > of realizing that this can get pretty boring, followed by periods of > acceptance that this really boring, followed by periods of the only > reason > I'm doing this anymore is for the money. ...and I know guys who complain of exactly this. Actually, some of my friends who have made good names for themselves as freelance photographic assistants are doing much better in the job satisfaction department than some of the others who have steady shooting gigs, since they're working with different people doing different things every day. The poor souls doing catalog, on the other hand... > The one exception to the this might be if travel and landscape > photography > was the only thing I did. Shooting what somebody else wants, wouldn't > thrill me. Travel is apparently really hard to make money at if it's your only gig. The few people I know who aspire to that line of work are either shooting weddings or assisting to pay the rent. > It's nice to go out and shoot, knowing that supper on the table doesn't > depend on the results. Amen! > OT: Have you seen any Ultraman, a 60's Japanese sci-fi series? I'm > thinking of obtaining some. Never seen it. Is it bad-good or genuinely-good? :) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 12:52 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote: > I have spent my photographic life (since 1970) taking "statement" > pictures - > a record of life/a scene/and in more recent times photos of growing > children > to send to distant family. Much of my development as a photographer I'd attribute to non-stop documenting of day-to-day activity throughout high school. I became comfortable with my camera, my metering, film and its limits, depth of field, just how slow a shutter speed I could get away with hand-holding, and so on. I still think that the best way to become a good photographer is to shoot a lot of film and look at the results. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) wrote: > One thing I learned in life is that there is an inherent danger >in turning your hobby into a career. Frank Theriault wrote: > Just 'cause you do it for a living doesn't mean that you can't still > enjoy doing it in your spare time, even if you may not particularly > enjoy the type of photography that you may find that you have to do > professionally. I'd agree with both of you. [see sitting on fence] My hobby was IT and has now also been a success career for 6 years. However, I shouldn't think I'd like the pressure of creating photographs for someone else. Almost every photograph I take has a target audience of one... me. If anyone else likes it, that's great. If not, it doesn't matter. (well that's mostly true - I wish someone had liked "Bollard") Now if someone was paying me to create a photograph that _they_ like, that's a different matter. Then again - I guess I could justify buying more gear... :-) Simon Frank Theriault wrote: > Just 'cause you do it for a living doesn't mean that you can't still > enjoy doing it in your spare time, even if you may not particularly > enjoy the type of photography that you may find that you have to do > professionally. One thing I learned in life is that there is an inherent danger in turning your hobby into a career. When I was young I was into electronics in a big way, so becoming an electrical engineer was the natural thing to do. I later learned that one of the reasons I was so enthusiastic was because I could play around with whatever interested me at the time. Now I get told what to do so the relative lack of freedom killed off my enthusiasm a bit. The limited job market for engineers down here doesn't help things much. I do think that if you get the _right_ job within your chosen "hobby-career" you will really enjoy yourself. You've just got to make sure that what your boss tells you to do is what you wanted to do in the first place :) Its only recently that I've started a couple of electronic projects in my spare time. Partly to rejuvenate my interest, partly to get my brain going again, and partly for commercial spinoffs that could help me retire young ;) Anybody wanna buy a picture? Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
I'm pleased to say that they would all have cameras ~ can't guarantee Pentax though:-( Name: Whatever Cotty calls me today ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 20 January 2002 21:13 To: Pentax List Subject: Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? >Geez, I'm glad I'm into bikes! I would think that buses (really, there are >people who collect buses?) are really expensive!! And, to get on one and >go for >a weekend daytrip would be a bit of a production, wouldn't it? Yeah, but Frank - all you'd need would be 39 others who's hobby it is just to get on the bus and go a few stages (stops), and you got it made!! :-) smiley for Mil, er Malcolm... ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
>Geez, I'm glad I'm into bikes! I would think that buses (really, there are >people who collect buses?) are really expensive!! And, to get on one and >go for >a weekend daytrip would be a bit of a production, wouldn't it? Yeah, but Frank - all you'd need would be 39 others who's hobby it is just to get on the bus and go a few stages (stops), and you got it made!! :-) smiley for Mil, er Malcolm... ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
>Milkem (ask Cotty! Big grin) Malcolm accidentally addressed me as 'Catty' in a private email. I took it as a compliment. Cats and drag, my middle names. ;-) ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Oh yes!! and one of my friends collects Fire Engines - not models :-) Best speak to you off list! Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: 20 January 2002 19:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? Geez, I'm glad I'm into bikes! I would think that buses (really, there are people who collect buses?) are really expensive!! And, to get on one and go for a weekend daytrip would be a bit of a production, wouldn't it? regards, frank Malcolm Smith wrote: > Hi Frank, > > No way am I going to disagree with you. My wife wants a Routemaster bus, I > was a manager in charge of said machines at one time, but I love them. It is > quite possible to work in an industry and enjoy it as a hobby ~ can be > expensive though!! > > Malcolm > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of frank theriault > Sent: 20 January 2002 18:13 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? > > Hi, Malcolm, > > I hear what you're saying, but it's not necessarily so. This may not be the > best analogy, but, I've ridden bicycles my whole life, from the time I > learned > to ride a "two-wheeler" when I was three. I LOVE riding bikes. > > What have I been for the last five years? A bike messenger. What do I > enjoy > doing on weekends (when the weather's good)? Getting on my bike (often with > some amount of camera gear in tow), and going for a nice ride. > > Just 'cause you do it for a living doesn't mean that you can't still enjoy > doing > it in your spare time, even if you may not particularly enjoy the type of > photography that you may find that you have to do professionally. > > regards, > frank > > Malcolm Smith wrote: > > > Hi Aaron, > > > > I feel the same. When I first got interested in photography and > discovered > > I both enjoyed it and, IMO, had a knack for it, I started dreaming of > being > > a professional photographer. > > > > Now I've come to realize that if it was my sole means of making a living, > > the fun would be gone and it would be like most other professions. Fun > and > > exciting at first, followed by periods of satisfaction, followed by > periods > > of realizing that this can get pretty boring, followed by periods of > > acceptance that this really boring, followed by periods of the only reason > > I'm doing this anymore is for the money. > > > > > > -- > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert > Oppenheimer > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Yeah, but you could carry way more photographic gear in a bus than on a bike! Kripes, you could set up a portable lab! regards, frank Shel Belinkoff wrote: > They're real hard to pedal uphill, too. > > frank theriault wrote: > > > > Geez, I'm glad I'm into bikes! I would think that buses (really, there are > > people who collect buses?) are really expensive!! And, to get on one and go for > > a weekend daytrip would be a bit of a production, wouldn't it? > > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
They're real hard to pedal uphill, too. frank theriault wrote: > > Geez, I'm glad I'm into bikes! I would think that buses (really, there are > people who collect buses?) are really expensive!! And, to get on one and go for > a weekend daytrip would be a bit of a production, wouldn't it? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Hi, Tom, Oops! :-) -frank aimcompute wrote: > Hi Frank, > > It was me Tom C., you were replying to. :-) > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Geez, I'm glad I'm into bikes! I would think that buses (really, there are people who collect buses?) are really expensive!! And, to get on one and go for a weekend daytrip would be a bit of a production, wouldn't it? regards, frank Malcolm Smith wrote: > Hi Frank, > > No way am I going to disagree with you. My wife wants a Routemaster bus, I > was a manager in charge of said machines at one time, but I love them. It is > quite possible to work in an industry and enjoy it as a hobby ~ can be > expensive though!! > > Malcolm > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of frank theriault > Sent: 20 January 2002 18:13 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? > > Hi, Malcolm, > > I hear what you're saying, but it's not necessarily so. This may not be the > best analogy, but, I've ridden bicycles my whole life, from the time I > learned > to ride a "two-wheeler" when I was three. I LOVE riding bikes. > > What have I been for the last five years? A bike messenger. What do I > enjoy > doing on weekends (when the weather's good)? Getting on my bike (often with > some amount of camera gear in tow), and going for a nice ride. > > Just 'cause you do it for a living doesn't mean that you can't still enjoy > doing > it in your spare time, even if you may not particularly enjoy the type of > photography that you may find that you have to do professionally. > > regards, > frank > > Malcolm Smith wrote: > > > Hi Aaron, > > > > I feel the same. When I first got interested in photography and > discovered > > I both enjoyed it and, IMO, had a knack for it, I started dreaming of > being > > a professional photographer. > > > > Now I've come to realize that if it was my sole means of making a living, > > the fun would be gone and it would be like most other professions. Fun > and > > exciting at first, followed by periods of satisfaction, followed by > periods > > of realizing that this can get pretty boring, followed by periods of > > acceptance that this really boring, followed by periods of the only reason > > I'm doing this anymore is for the money. > > > > > > -- > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert > Oppenheimer > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Hi Frank, No way am I going to disagree with you. My wife wants a Routemaster bus, I was a manager in charge of said machines at one time, but I love them. It is quite possible to work in an industry and enjoy it as a hobby ~ can be expensive though!! Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: 20 January 2002 18:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? Hi, Malcolm, I hear what you're saying, but it's not necessarily so. This may not be the best analogy, but, I've ridden bicycles my whole life, from the time I learned to ride a "two-wheeler" when I was three. I LOVE riding bikes. What have I been for the last five years? A bike messenger. What do I enjoy doing on weekends (when the weather's good)? Getting on my bike (often with some amount of camera gear in tow), and going for a nice ride. Just 'cause you do it for a living doesn't mean that you can't still enjoy doing it in your spare time, even if you may not particularly enjoy the type of photography that you may find that you have to do professionally. regards, frank Malcolm Smith wrote: > Hi Aaron, > > I feel the same. When I first got interested in photography and discovered > I both enjoyed it and, IMO, had a knack for it, I started dreaming of being > a professional photographer. > > Now I've come to realize that if it was my sole means of making a living, > the fun would be gone and it would be like most other professions. Fun and > exciting at first, followed by periods of satisfaction, followed by periods > of realizing that this can get pretty boring, followed by periods of > acceptance that this really boring, followed by periods of the only reason > I'm doing this anymore is for the money. > > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Hi Frank, It was me Tom C., you were replying to. :-) I agree with your comments, it's not necessarily so. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? > Hi, Malcolm, > > I hear what you're saying, but it's not necessarily so. This may not be the > best analogy, but, I've ridden bicycles my whole life, from the time I learned > to ride a "two-wheeler" when I was three. I LOVE riding bikes. > > What have I been for the last five years? A bike messenger. What do I enjoy > doing on weekends (when the weather's good)? Getting on my bike (often with > some amount of camera gear in tow), and going for a nice ride. > > Just 'cause you do it for a living doesn't mean that you can't still enjoy doing > it in your spare time, even if you may not particularly enjoy the type of > photography that you may find that you have to do professionally. > > regards, > frank > > Malcolm Smith wrote: > > > Hi Aaron, > > > > I feel the same. When I first got interested in photography and discovered > > I both enjoyed it and, IMO, had a knack for it, I started dreaming of being > > a professional photographer. > > > > Now I've come to realize that if it was my sole means of making a living, > > the fun would be gone and it would be like most other professions. Fun and > > exciting at first, followed by periods of satisfaction, followed by periods > > of realizing that this can get pretty boring, followed by periods of > > acceptance that this really boring, followed by periods of the only reason > > I'm doing this anymore is for the money. > > > > > > -- > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert > Oppenheimer > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Hi, Malcolm, I hear what you're saying, but it's not necessarily so. This may not be the best analogy, but, I've ridden bicycles my whole life, from the time I learned to ride a "two-wheeler" when I was three. I LOVE riding bikes. What have I been for the last five years? A bike messenger. What do I enjoy doing on weekends (when the weather's good)? Getting on my bike (often with some amount of camera gear in tow), and going for a nice ride. Just 'cause you do it for a living doesn't mean that you can't still enjoy doing it in your spare time, even if you may not particularly enjoy the type of photography that you may find that you have to do professionally. regards, frank Malcolm Smith wrote: > Hi Aaron, > > I feel the same. When I first got interested in photography and discovered > I both enjoyed it and, IMO, had a knack for it, I started dreaming of being > a professional photographer. > > Now I've come to realize that if it was my sole means of making a living, > the fun would be gone and it would be like most other professions. Fun and > exciting at first, followed by periods of satisfaction, followed by periods > of realizing that this can get pretty boring, followed by periods of > acceptance that this really boring, followed by periods of the only reason > I'm doing this anymore is for the money. > > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Hi Aaron, I feel the same. When I first got interested in photography and discovered I both enjoyed it and, IMO, had a knack for it, I started dreaming of being a professional photographer. Now I've come to realize that if it was my sole means of making a living, the fun would be gone and it would be like most other professions. Fun and exciting at first, followed by periods of satisfaction, followed by periods of realizing that this can get pretty boring, followed by periods of acceptance that this really boring, followed by periods of the only reason I'm doing this anymore is for the money. The one exception to the this might be if travel and landscape photography was the only thing I did. Shooting what somebody else wants, wouldn't thrill me. It's nice to go out and shoot, knowing that supper on the table doesn't depend on the results. OT: Have you seen any Ultraman, a 60's Japanese sci-fi series? I'm thinking of obtaining some. Tom C. # I have spent my photographic life (since 1970) taking "statement" pictures - a record of life/a scene/and in more recent times photos of growing children to send to distant family. No more! As a result of all the information here I shall be testing my abilities, rather than my camera, which I know is excellent. Time for the "WOW!" factor. I'll send pictures to family with some creative thought behind them. Milkem (ask Cotty! Big grin) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Cotty wrote: > > > And so he's been doing this for quite a while. His advice to me? Know > your market. Write about something you know, but most importantly, write > it in the style the editor you are submitting to will want. Make it easy > for them, and they'll snap it up. Write what you know. Very good advice. After working as a race car mechanic and engine builder in my late teens and early twenties, I turned to writing for automotive magazines in order to stay in touch with something I loved. I probably wrote several hundred magazine articles in a period from 1974 to 1991. Early on, I found that I could make more money if I did the photography as well, so I borrowed a TLR Mamiya from my brother and set about learning to use it. My writing eventually lead to a career in advertising and some conflicts of interest that kept me away from the journalism side of things. But those conflicts have cleared up a bit since I'm working on different advertising accounts than I once did, so I'm taking it up again. This time it's more to help pay for my hobby, while providing some subject matter for my camera. Paul Cotty > > ___ > Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Check out the UK Macintosh ads > http://www.macads.co.uk > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Hey Bob, >I have a brother who is a free-lance writer. He does a regular column >for one magazine and writes articles for others as well. Mostly in >specialized, niche publications, like Poker Digest. He was doing an >article about a casino in Europe for one of them a while back and the >editor said, "Be nice to have some pictures." He said, "No problem." This is very timely for me. I am currently going through a research process with hopes to try and break into this market. I have written plenty in the past, and been published (paper magazine) twice, but never considered it as a chief method of income, mainly because I already have a profession. However, a few years on, I am thinking of alternatives to my career, partly through want of something different, partly because the industry I work in (UK tv news) is still undergoing change, with the possibility or redundancy rearing its ugly head, partly because I actually enjoy writing and stills more than shooting news. I asked advice from a 60-something colleague, a freelance who primarily is a stills man. Years ago, he realised that editors seemed much more keen on photographers submitting words with their pics - it saved them from having to sort a writer to go out and interview the subjects of the pics! So my colleague started running off a few paras and bundling them with his portraits and 'colour features' (lots of country folk and farmers). As he puts it: 'You don't need to be John Steinbeck - a sub will soon knock it into shape. That's much easier from their point of view...' And so he's been doing this for quite a while. His advice to me? Know your market. Write about something you know, but most importantly, write it in the style the editor you are submitting to will want. Make it easy for them, and they'll snap it up. Of course, this assumes a basic ability in both writing and picture-taking. But as your friend has discovered, this doesn't necessarily mean an 'understanding' of the techniques. If the pics look okay, what does it matter what they were taken with? Similarly, my writing ability may seem fair, on the face of it, but give me a punctuation quiz and I'll flunk miserably. Food for thought. Best regards and cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
I like to needle. Bob - Original Message - From: "Robert Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:22 PM Subject: Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? > Len Paris wrote: > > > Nope. I'm not going there. I took a major beating the last > > time we had this discussion. They can come to any determination > > they want. My opinions will keep just fine. > > Mine, too. Amazing how many replies there have been to my half-serious > message. People really do seem to take this sort of thing seriously. > > Bob > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
AND If he makes a living from it - primary income here - he is a professional!!! (sorts the wheat from the chaff, doesn't it) Bob - Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 8:47 AM Subject: RE: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? > A photographer is one who shoots , develops his own film, > and makes his own prints. Ala Ansel Adams. > JCO > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
In my first week of college, I introduced myself to a dormmate who, I had heard, was an aspiring writer. "I understand you're an author," I said, breaking the ice. "Not an author," he corrected; "a writer. There's a difference." [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Dan, Her work is fine, a bit cliche, but nice. I'd say she's a pro...but I won't give her full credit because she uses a C. LOL!! Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
On 18 Jan 2002 at 16:47, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > A photographer is one who shoots , develops his own film, > and makes his own prints. Ala Ansel Adams. No way, a real photographer directs his assistants as to when to release the shutter. :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Sorry, make that a "28-105" zoom. :-) Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote: >I have a friend whose primary income comes from a cleaning business. She's >done well enough that she's hired several other women to work for her. Her >hobby, since being a teenager, is photography. She's done well enough at it >that she turns away clients. > >http://dscott.home.texas.net/photo/Audrey/Audrey.html > >She knows practically nothing about the mechanics of photography, but >everything about what she has to do to get the shot she is imagining onto a >print. She used a Canon point and shoot until she had enough jobs to buy a >Canon Rebel and a 20-105 zoom--that is still all she uses, a p&s, a Rebel, >and the same zoom. > >Is she a pro? (keep in mind she can't explain what an f stop is, and has >never used manual focus, but she doesn't need to inorder to make what she >wants happen, happen, pretty much just the way she wants it) > >Dan Scott >[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Peter Alling wrote: > > Me to. I don't know how good he is but the guy I know, (I'll keep his name > my secret), started with Spotmatics, moved to Nikon then to Disposible. Seems > like a downhill slide. At least your guy is linear...the dude Bill and I know went from Pentax 35mm to disposable and now is heading towards a 67. Somewhere in there I saw him handling a Speed Graphic too. Weirdo. tv > (I just couldn't resist, besides someone else would > have > said it). > > At 02:49 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Hmm. He becomes the 2nd pro photographer I know of that uses disposable > >cameras. > > > >Bill KG4LOV > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- > >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.bigdayphoto.com 301-758-3085 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Subject: Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? Here we go again! Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Me to. I don't know how good he is but the guy I know, (I'll keep his name my secret), started with Spotmatics, moved to Nikon then to Disposible. Seems like a downhill slide. (I just couldn't resist, besides someone else would have said it). At 02:49 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hmm. He becomes the 2nd pro photographer I know of that uses disposable >cameras. > >Bill KG4LOV >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Nothing screams pretension like Canon... At 02:08 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Nothing screams professional like a disposable camera > >Christian > >On Friday 18 January 2002 13:49, Peter wrote: > > Yes he is a "pro". So his equipment is "pro" equipment. See thread about > > Cannon Advert. > > (Just makes it that much funnier, at least to me). > > > > At 01:41 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >I have a brother who is a free-lance writer. He does a regular column for > > >one magazine and writes articles for others as well. Mostly in > > >specialized, niche publications, like Poker Digest. He was doing an > > >article about a casino in Europe for one of them a while back and the > > >editor said, "Be nice to have some pictures." He said, "No problem." > > > > > >He has never owned a camera or, to my knowledge, used one. Doesn't know an > > >f-stop from a subway stop. So he bought a disposable camera, shot all the > > >film, got a friend to scan a bunch of images and e-mailed them to the > > >editor. (He was based in Europe, the mag is published in the Western USA.) > > >Several of the photos now have been published. > > > > > >And he continues to shoot photos to accompany articles, using disposable > > >cameras -- although he was speaking wistfully last night about how nice it > > >would be to get a digital camera. > > > > > >So he now is a published photographer. And he is paid, so he is a sort-of > > >pro, too. > > > > > >Or is he? > > > > > >Bob Harris >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
>Suppose they are better than mine? :) GOD FORBID! lol!! bReNdAn mAcRaE - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Hmm. He becomes the 2nd pro photographer I know of that uses disposable cameras. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Peter Alling wrote: > Yes he is a "pro". So his equipment is "pro" equipment. Hmmm. So maybe the makers of disposable cameras should start advertising them as the latest pro devices. Hell, maybe they'll buy some of my brothers pics for their ads. He could use the money -- the magazines he writes for do not pay all that well. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Having just been published myself, that's a hard question to answer. Do I consider myself a professional photographer? NO. Does the magazine consider me one? MAYBE, because they don't know that I do anything else (or maybe I just work for cheap). When I went in and picked up a check from the editor, he said they would be having additional needs and would like to work with me in the future. It sounds like the photos are more of an afterthought, an accompaniment to the writing. I would think a professional must have some in-depth knowledge of the craft. I would guess that if one were writing an article about a specific casino, as you mention, photos of that specific location may be hard to come by. In todays world "pro" means you get paid for it... But if I helped a work acquaintance install fiber glass installation and he paid me for it, as has happened, that does not make me a professional installer. If I helped him paint his house, and he paid me for it. That does not make me a professional painter. What I am is a professional software consultant. If the majority of one's income comes from making and selling photographs, I would say yes. Otherwise, no. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Robert Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer? > I have a brother who is a free-lance writer. He does a regular column > for one magazine and writes articles for others as well. Mostly in > specialized, niche publications, like Poker Digest. He was doing an > article about a casino in Europe for one of them a while back and the > editor said, "Be nice to have some pictures." He said, "No problem." > > He has never owned a camera or, to my knowledge, used one. Doesn't know > an f-stop from a subway stop. So he bought a disposable camera, shot all > the film, got a friend to scan a bunch of images and e-mailed them to > the editor. (He was based in Europe, the mag is published in the Western > USA.) Several of the photos now have been published. > > And he continues to shoot photos to accompany articles, using disposable > cameras -- although he was speaking wistfully last night about how nice > it would be to get a digital camera. > > So he now is a published photographer. And he is paid, so he is a > sort-of pro, too. > > Or is he? > > Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I suppose the test is what your brother's pix look like. I am afraid to look at any. Suppose they are better than mine? :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Bob, I'm not sure I would call him a pro. I would say he's an intrepid and resourceful writer/correspondent. When my father was shooting for a couple of newspapers in LA, he used to write a lot of his own copy. I think at the time he considered himself more of a journalist than merely a photographer. I suppose the test is what your brother's pix look like. Do they add to the story or are they wallpaper? Really good photos tell a story in themselves. If he was able to do that, I'd call him a pro without hesitation. Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Nothing screams professional like a disposable camera Christian On Friday 18 January 2002 13:49, Peter wrote: > Yes he is a "pro". So his equipment is "pro" equipment. See thread about > Cannon Advert. > (Just makes it that much funnier, at least to me). > > At 01:41 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >I have a brother who is a free-lance writer. He does a regular column for > >one magazine and writes articles for others as well. Mostly in > >specialized, niche publications, like Poker Digest. He was doing an > >article about a casino in Europe for one of them a while back and the > >editor said, "Be nice to have some pictures." He said, "No problem." > > > >He has never owned a camera or, to my knowledge, used one. Doesn't know an > >f-stop from a subway stop. So he bought a disposable camera, shot all the > >film, got a friend to scan a bunch of images and e-mailed them to the > >editor. (He was based in Europe, the mag is published in the Western USA.) > >Several of the photos now have been published. > > > >And he continues to shoot photos to accompany articles, using disposable > >cameras -- although he was speaking wistfully last night about how nice it > >would be to get a digital camera. > > > >So he now is a published photographer. And he is paid, so he is a sort-of > >pro, too. > > > >Or is he? > > > >Bob Harris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Yes he is a "pro". So his equipment is "pro" equipment. See thread about Cannon Advert. (Just makes it that much funnier, at least to me). At 01:41 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I have a brother who is a free-lance writer. He does a regular column for >one magazine and writes articles for others as well. Mostly in >specialized, niche publications, like Poker Digest. He was doing an >article about a casino in Europe for one of them a while back and the >editor said, "Be nice to have some pictures." He said, "No problem." > >He has never owned a camera or, to my knowledge, used one. Doesn't know an >f-stop from a subway stop. So he bought a disposable camera, shot all the >film, got a friend to scan a bunch of images and e-mailed them to the >editor. (He was based in Europe, the mag is published in the Western USA.) >Several of the photos now have been published. > >And he continues to shoot photos to accompany articles, using disposable >cameras -- although he was speaking wistfully last night about how nice it >would be to get a digital camera. > >So he now is a published photographer. And he is paid, so he is a sort-of >pro, too. > >Or is he? > >Bob Harris >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
