Re: {Spam?} Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp, Kostas Kavoussanakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> If you need to ask sir, it's not for you.
> 

Reminds me of the BMW dealership I walked out of. 
I had walked in there with my cheque book in my hand to purchase a new BMW.
I look rather scruffy at the best of times, and this day was no exception.
Upon entering the show room I was confronted by a wall of snobbery that left
me standing alone for some 15 minutes. So, I left and purchased a Porsche.
I was telling a friend who owns a tyre and mechanical shop about this and 
he called _his_ friend who owned the BMW dealership. They called me about
a deal for the inconvenience. I told them 'Too late'.


Kind regards
Kevin


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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Caveman]

It sounds oh so cool and professional when you pronounce "meedeeuhm 
format" instead of "35 mm".

Rob Studdert wrote:
This is the logic that I don't understand, what would be the advantage of a 645 
DSLR? I can't see anyone bringing out anything larger than 22MP soon so really 
the advantage is to the 35mm format SLR given the sheer volume of lenses, lens 
speeds and focal lengths available. Help me understand, what advantages would 
you cite for a 645DLSR over the Canon 1Ds MkII for instance?

Re: Daylight savings time: was Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Graywolf]

Sounds like you guys are on local time. Sunrise 8 hours before local 
noon, and sunset 8 hours after local noon.

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William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: "Graywolf"
Subject: Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?



Of course all that stuff is an example of what happens when you let
politicians decide things. Can't just let peaple get up an hour
earlier
if they want to...

There are some very compelling reasons for changing time by an hour
twice a year. We don't where I live. It's great if you want to get up
at 4:00 AM for golf in the summer, it's already quite light out,
however, by the end of July, it is getting dark by 8:00.
William Robb

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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Caveman]

Alin Flaider wrote:
  Maybe the
  optimal route from film to digital is a 20D with several full frame
  lenses? :o/
HAR ! Yet another pdml-er to notice it.

Re: Daylight savings time: was Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Fred]

> There are some very compelling reasons for changing time by an hour
> twice a year. We don't where I live. It's great if you want to get up
> at 4:00 AM for golf in the summer, it's already quite light out,
> however, by the end of July, it is getting dark by 8:00.

Not very compelling...

Fred

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?



> Earth. Some countries have odd time zones of their own choosing
that are
> on the half hour with respect GMT.

As reported one April 1st on the CBC:

The world will end at 10:00, 10:30 in Newfoundland.

William Robb

Daylight savings time: was Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Graywolf"
Subject: Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?



>
> Of course all that stuff is an example of what happens when you let
> politicians decide things. Can't just let peaple get up an hour
earlier
> if they want to...

There are some very compelling reasons for changing time by an hour
twice a year. We don't where I live. It's great if you want to get up
at 4:00 AM for golf in the summer, it's already quite light out,
however, by the end of July, it is getting dark by 8:00.

William Robb

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Graywolf]

I noticed that others have mentioned odd offsets, but there is also the 
Daylight Savings Time. Some places use DST and others do not. And that 
is not necessarily the same even across one country. Here in the US we 
even have one state (Indiana) where it is optional (what a nightmare 
that is) so that one state has two timezones in the summer and only one 
in the winter.

Of course all that stuff is an example of what happens when you let 
politicians decide things. Can't just let peaple get up an hour earlier 
if they want to...

--
mike.wilson wrote:
Hi,
Rob S wrote:
AFAIK they have never published it (Pentax non-comittal?) it does 
however have time setttings for 62 cities over 28 time zones.

I was going to make a smartalec response about being glad that I would 
not run out of time zones to take photographs in but _28_ time zones? 
What planet is this camera for?

Or are they divided into West Europe/East Europe type zones, rather than 
hourly?

mike
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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[mike.wilson]

Hi,
Mark and Rob wrote:

Wow.  Another reason for wholesale removal of politicians.
Interesting that Pentax chose to include this specification but not 
certain others.

mike
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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Rob Studdert]

On 23 Sep 2004 at 7:12, Mark Roberts wrote:

> "mike.wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >I was going to make a smartalec response about being glad that I would 
> >not run out of time zones to take photographs in but _28_ time zones? 
> >What planet is this camera for?
> 
> Earth. Some countries have odd time zones of their own choosing that are
> on the half hour with respect GMT. Sometimes it's because the country is
> large and straddles two time zones (India, for example) and sometimes
> it's because it's small and in between two time zones (Burma, Sri Lanka,
> Afghanistan). Saudi Arabia used to reset all its clocks every day in
> order to keep midnight correct with respect to prayer times. Imagine
> getting *that* programmed into your ist-D! (I'm pretty sure Saudi Arabia
> doesn't do this any more.)

It's a PITA but we have a half hour offset here (Oz) some times :-(

http://www.frogandtoad.com.au/home/essential16.html


Rob Studdert
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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Mark Roberts]

"mike.wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I was going to make a smartalec response about being glad that I would 
>not run out of time zones to take photographs in but _28_ time zones? 
>What planet is this camera for?

Earth. Some countries have odd time zones of their own choosing that are
on the half hour with respect GMT. Sometimes it's because the country is
large and straddles two time zones (India, for example) and sometimes
it's because it's small and in between two time zones (Burma, Sri Lanka,
Afghanistan). Saudi Arabia used to reset all its clocks every day in
order to keep midnight correct with respect to prayer times. Imagine
getting *that* programmed into your ist-D! (I'm pretty sure Saudi Arabia
doesn't do this any more.)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Rob Studdert]

On 22 Sep 2004 at 19:46, Cotty wrote:

> What is the published operating temp range (say) of the *ist D?

AFAIK they have never published it (Pentax non-comittal?) it does however have 
time setttings for 62 cities over 28 time zones.


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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Herb Chong]

most electronic components work better when cooled a lot. this is what they
do to run very fast computers. liquid nitrogen cooled, even.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?


> Someone on a different list was chirping in about issues with resistors
> and other electronic components. Could this be the case? What is the
> published operating temp range (say) of the *ist D?

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Herb Chong]

given the number of people who actually use a 1Ds at temperatures below 0C,
i would say that it's not a hard a fast rule, while the power issue is.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?


> L-ion batteries work effectively down to about -20 deg C, TFTs and LCDs on
the
> other hand don't like the cold (normal temp range LCDs and TFTs generally
work
> down to only 0deg C). So I'd assume that the operating temp limit specs
were
> more a function of LCD performance than power issues.

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Cotty]

On 23/9/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>L-ion batteries work effectively down to about -20 deg C, TFTs and LCDs
>on the 
>other hand don't like the cold (normal temp range LCDs and TFTs generally
>work 
>down to only 0deg C). So I'd assume that the operating temp limit specs were 
>more a function of LCD performance than power issues.

Someone on a different list was chirping in about issues with resistors
and other electronic components. Could this be the case? What is the
published operating temp range (say) of the *ist D?




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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Rob Studdert]

On 21 Sep 2004 at 21:03, Herb Chong wrote:

> the limit is the power supply. warmed batteries let it work in much colder
> conditions.

L-ion batteries work effectively down to about -20 deg C, TFTs and LCDs on the 
other hand don't like the cold (normal temp range LCDs and TFTs generally work 
down to only 0deg C). So I'd assume that the operating temp limit specs were 
more a function of LCD performance than power issues.


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Re: {Spam?} Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[brooksdj]

I dont have one..yet. :-)

Dave  



> And the *istD!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > 
> > All very nice, but can it save a pic directly to a computer?
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Kevin 
> You can with the D2h.:-)
> 
> Dave
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Cotty]

On 21/9/04, Pål Jensen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty wrote:
>
>> This will surely seal the fate of MF ?
>
>REPLY:
>
>Why? Rumours says that both Pentax and Mamiya will soon release MF DSLR's. 
>
>
>Pål

POINT OF INFORMATION:

Sorry, I should have specified *film* based MF...




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Big digital cameras (WAS: Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP)

[Pål Jensen]

Alin wrote:

Otherwise I don't care much for the 1DS Mk II just as I don't care
  for the MF cameras. Too big and heavy to consider for serious
  climbing/trekking.


REPLY:

BUT...a digital 645 could be made at the size of, say, a Nikon D70. In fact, such a 
camera could be made on the chassis of the current Pentax 645. Its chassis is in two 
parts. One for the film chamber, which could be disposed of for a DSLR, and the other 
the mirror box that contains the shutter assembly. The mount/film/sensor distance is 
only about 1cm larger than for the K-mount. Hence, such a camera don't need to be 
huge. Also, the lenses are no larger than Canon L-lenses. It will be interesting to 
see how the Pentax digital 645 turns out (provided that it turns out at all!).

Pål
 

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Pål Jensen]

Cotty wrote:

> This will surely seal the fate of MF ?

REPLY:

Why? Rumours says that both Pentax and Mamiya will soon release MF DSLR's. 


Pål

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Cotty]

On 21/9/04, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>I think that a climber who photographs will carry the lightest/best gear.
>>The photographer who climbs will carry whatever it takes ;-)
>
>So... you coming on my Grandfather Mountain Trail hike next year?
>:-P

If I make it to GFM, you bet. Wanna show me?




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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Aargh! The other specifications don't really upset me because I can't
afford this camera anyway, but *this*

>ISO 100-1600 in 1/3 stop steps

is something I *want* on a DSLR!

Re: {Spam?} Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[brooksdj]

> This one time, at canon camp, Cotty 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Full frame (36x24mm) DSLR
> > 16MP, 4992x3328 pixels
> > Filesize in RAW is 14.6MB
> > CMOS sensor
> > Can't make out frame rate.
> > 
> > Takes CF and SD cards.
> > 
> > Connects via USB and Firewire.
> > 
> > 45 focus points
> > 
> > ISO 100-1600 in 1/3 stop steps
> > ISO 50-3200 with Custom functions.
> > Max Shutter speed 1/8000
> > Weight 1215g
> > 
> > ETTL-II flash system.
> > 
> > Operating range 0-45C.
> __
> 
> All very nice, but can it save a pic directly to a computer?
> 
> Kind regards
> Kevin 
You can with the D2h.:-)

Dave

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP?

[dagt]

> fra: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Operating range 0-45C.
> -

Wow, that excludes Norway for a few months a year.  Nice camera :-)

DagT

Re: {Spam?} Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Mark Roberts]

"Andy Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
>On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Kevin Waterson wrote:
>>
>> Is there a price on these things?
>
>
>If you need to ask sir, it's not for you.
>
>
>Apparently, the official price in Japan is 1 million Yen @_@

DP Review says $7999.00, just like its predecessor.

RE: {Spam?} Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Andy Chang]

Apparently, the official price in Japan is 1 million Yen @_@
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Kevin Waterson wrote:

> This one time, at band camp, "Antti-Pekka Virjonen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > BTW you don't need to read Japanese.. just read it at:
> > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092104canoneos1dsmkii.asp
>
> Is there a price on these things?


If you need to ask sir, it's not for you.


Kostas ;-)

Re: {Spam?} Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Kevin Waterson wrote:

> This one time, at band camp, "Antti-Pekka Virjonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > BTW you don't need to read Japanese.. just read it at:
> > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092104canoneos1dsmkii.asp
>
> Is there a price on these things?


If you need to ask sir, it's not for you.


Kostas ;-)

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Cotty]

On 21/9/04, Alin Flaider, discombobulated, unleashed:

>  Otherwise I don't care much for the 1DS Mk II just as I don't care
>  for the MF cameras. Too big and heavy to consider for serious
>  climbing/trekking.

Right. This is where a cute l'il *ist Ds comes in...

I think that a climber who photographs will carry the lightest/best gear.
The photographer who climbs will carry whatever it takes ;-)




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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Steve Jolly]

Cotty wrote:
This will surely seal the fate of MF ?
Maybe.  Although if someone brought out a good MF DSLR that was fully 
compatible with all the MF lenses that a pro had already, they might 
swing that way instead.  After all, why are people sticking with Pentax? ;-)

S

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Alin Flaider]

  It's a Good Thing that at least Canon continues to support the full
  35 mm frame format. Even so, I'm afraid we're still 5 years away
  from the first full frame sensor in a midrange camera. Maybe the
  optimal route from film to digital is a 20D with several full frame
  lenses? :o/
  Otherwise I don't care much for the 1DS Mk II just as I don't care
  for the MF cameras. Too big and heavy to consider for serious
  climbing/trekking.
 
  Servus,  Alin

Cotty wrote:
C> Full frame (36x24mm) DSLR
C> 16MP, 4992x3328 pixels
C> Filesize in RAW is 14.6MB
C> CMOS sensor
C> 4 fps.

C> Takes CF and SD cards.

C> Connects via USB and Firewire.

C> 45 focus points

C> ISO 100-1600 in 1/3 stop steps
C> ISO 50-3200 with Custom functions.
C> Max Shutter speed 1/8000
C> Weight 1215g

C> ETTL-II flash system.

C> Operating range 0-45C.
C> -

C> This will surely seal the fate of MF ?

Re: RE: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Rob Studdert]

On 21 Sep 2004 at 9:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> By the way, a friend of mine has been invited by Mamyia to an introduction of a
> new camera.  Probably a 645 dslr.  If that is true, the 1Ds will have some
> competition.

This is the logic that I don't understand, what would be the advantage of a 645 
DSLR? I can't see anyone bringing out anything larger than 22MP soon so really 
the advantage is to the 35mm format SLR given the sheer volume of lenses, lens 
speeds and focal lengths available. Help me understand, what advantages would 
you cite for a 645DLSR over the Canon 1Ds MkII for instance?


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Re: RE: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[dagt]

Impressive, especially it's size.  I think I'll wait for a manufactorer who is able to 
make a more compact camera.  It will happen within the time I'll use to save that kind 
of money

By the way, a friend of mine has been invited by Mamyia to an introduction of a new 
camera.  Probably a 645 dslr.  If that is true, the 1Ds will have some competition.

DagT

> fra: "Antti-Pekka Virjonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> dato: 2004/09/21 ti AM 09:35:51 CEST
> til: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> emne: RE: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP
> 
> BTW you don't need to read Japanese.. just read it at:
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092104canoneos1dsmkii.asp
> 
> Antti-Pekka
> 
> ---
> Antti-Pekka Virjonen
> Computec Oy, Turku Finland
> Gsm: +358-500-789 753
> 
> www.computec.fi * www.estera.fi
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> 
> 
> 

Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Rob Studdert]

On 21 Sep 2004 at 8:27, Cotty wrote:

> > Looks interesting, anyone read Japanese?
> 
> 
> 
> Full frame (36x24mm) DSLR
> 16MP, 4992x3328 pixels
> Filesize in RAW is 14.6MB
> CMOS sensor
> 4 fps.
> 
> Takes CF and SD cards.
> 
> Connects via USB and Firewire.
> 
> 45 focus points
> 
> ISO 100-1600 in 1/3 stop steps
> ISO 50-3200 with Custom functions.
> Max Shutter speed 1/8000
> Weight 1215g
> 
> ETTL-II flash system.
> 
> Operating range 0-45C.
> -
> 
> This will surely seal the fate of MF ?

Maybe 645, but I think 6x6, 67, 6x9 and 6x17 are safe for the mean time.


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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Cotty]

On 21/9/04, Antti-Pekka Virjonen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>BTW you don't need to read Japanese.. just read it at:
>http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092104canoneos1dsmkii.asp
>
>Antti-Pekka


thanks, I posted that other link originally to the list yesterday but the
list was down. I hadn't seen DPR until you mentioned it.



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Re: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[boris]

Hi!

> 
>
> Full frame (36x24mm) DSLR
> 16MP, 4992x3328 pixels
> Filesize in RAW is 14.6MB
> CMOS sensor
> 4 fps.

It would make sense. If mid-range 20D is 8M then flagship has to be at least
twice as much pixelated :).

> This will surely seal the fate of MF ?

But what about the lenses? Can Canon glass beat quality of Contax 645, Fuji 645
or Hasselblad 645 lenses? What about Pentax 645 and 67 glass after all?

What it does seal is that at least one manufacturer keeps workin on full frame
(35 mm) DSLRs, which is undoubtedly good news. At least so me thinks.

YPMV (Your Pixelage May Vary)...

Boris

RE: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Antti-Pekka Virjonen]

BTW you don't need to read Japanese.. just read it at:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092104canoneos1dsmkii.asp

Antti-Pekka

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Computec Oy, Turku Finland
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RE: OT - 1Dsmll 16MP

[Antti-Pekka Virjonen]

This is your next camera, Cotty? :-)

> This will surely seal the fate of MF ?

Hmm... not really!

Antti-Pekka

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