RE: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms I thought the price of admission is a serpent's tongue and a half- concealed stiletto what a fantastic phrase! I've never heard it before. It sounds positively Jacobean so what a surprise to find that it's one of Groucho Marx's. B From: Darren Addy Perhaps I have a Condescending Personality Disorder. Wasn't that a prerequisite to joining? : ) On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, if one of your biggest concerns (that makes you pound your keyboard) is fretting about which huge corporation is doing business with (or suing) some other huge corporation, then I don't know whether to pity you or to offer to trade problem sets with you. Seriously, what makes you think you have the right to make condescending statements like that? You post plenty of off-topic stuff on the PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
AMEN On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, if one of your biggest concerns (that makes you pound your keyboard) is fretting about which huge corporation is doing business with (or suing) some other huge corporation, then I don't know whether to pity you or to offer to trade problem sets with you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
Darren, if you were turning to me (which seems to be the case according to my mail client) then: 1. Living in Israel and being on the brink of the war with just about every neighbor may be except Jordan I get my set of problems full enough, thank you. 2. Being non-American (non-British, non-Australian, etc) I find it fascinating to learn how things are beside and beyond where I am right now and where I was before. 3. I don't think there is any correlation between what I am pounding my keyboard about and what really concerns me. To be more accurate here - I am pounding my keyboard everyday for quite very many symbols being the professional programmer. Having said that I don't mean to demean your set of problems nor to offend you in any way. However, I don't see why I cannot be discussing these things on the list (unless e.g. Doug comes in and requests that this discussion stops) with my peers who are willing to partake of this discussion. With great respect. Boris On 10/29/2012 5:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Seriously, if one of your biggest concerns (that makes you pound your keyboard) is fretting about which huge corporation is doing business with (or suing) some other huge corporation, then I don't know whether to pity you or to offer to trade problem sets with you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, if one of your biggest concerns (that makes you pound your keyboard) is fretting about which huge corporation is doing business with (or suing) some other huge corporation, then I don't know whether to pity you or to offer to trade problem sets with you. Seriously, what makes you think you have the right to make condescending statements like that? You post plenty of off-topic stuff on the PDML. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
Perhaps I have a Condescending Personality Disorder. Wasn't that a prerequisite to joining? : ) On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, if one of your biggest concerns (that makes you pound your keyboard) is fretting about which huge corporation is doing business with (or suing) some other huge corporation, then I don't know whether to pity you or to offer to trade problem sets with you. Seriously, what makes you think you have the right to make condescending statements like that? You post plenty of off-topic stuff on the PDML. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around. -Thomas Moore, Original Self -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
Mark! On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I have a Condescending Personality Disorder. Wasn't that a prerequisite to joining? : ) On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, if one of your biggest concerns (that makes you pound your keyboard) is fretting about which huge corporation is doing business with (or suing) some other huge corporation, then I don't know whether to pity you or to offer to trade problem sets with you. Seriously, what makes you think you have the right to make condescending statements like that? You post plenty of off-topic stuff on the PDML. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around. -Thomas Moore, Original Self -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
That would be the new P.D. we've just invented in our midst :-). Just to make things clear, Darren responded off the list and it seems my mailer got it wrong in terms of to whom his comment was directed. I think we're cool now. On 10/29/2012 8:29 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Perhaps I have a Condescending Personality Disorder. Wasn't that a prerequisite to joining? : ) On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, if one of your biggest concerns (that makes you pound your keyboard) is fretting about which huge corporation is doing business with (or suing) some other huge corporation, then I don't know whether to pity you or to offer to trade problem sets with you. Seriously, what makes you think you have the right to make condescending statements like that? You post plenty of off-topic stuff on the PDML. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
Perhaps I have a Condescending Personality Disorder. Wasn't that a prerequisite to joining? : ) If you think being condescending is the correct and proper thing to do, then by all means keep doing it. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
I thought the price of admission is a serpent's tongue and a half-concealed stiletto From: Darren Addy Perhaps I have a Condescending Personality Disorder. Wasn't that a prerequisite to joining? : ) On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, if one of your biggest concerns (that makes you pound your keyboard) is fretting about which huge corporation is doing business with (or suing) some other huge corporation, then I don't know whether to pity you or to offer to trade problem sets with you. Seriously, what makes you think you have the right to make condescending statements like that? You post plenty of off-topic stuff on the PDML. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
Reply interspersed. On 10/25/2012 3:33 AM, Tom C wrote: From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com I think that what's moral for individual human beings does not necessarily apply to corporations. Specifically, I think that the so called grey area is much broader for corporations than it is for you and me. In theory that's correct. In practice it's wrong. I know it. You know it. The CEO's know it. (I'm not implying you didn't) :) Absolutely, Tom. I wasn't speaking specifically of Samsung-Apple series of trials all over the planet. It very well may be that Samsung did steal. And I am not being a fanboy of any of these two, although I do have Samsung cell phone, but it is one issued by my company anyway. And trust me, Samsung Galaxy S II pretty much sucks. (Frank wrote:) Doesn't mean they should stop making money from on of their biggest clients, does it? This is a simple ongoing commodity transaction that is completely divorced from the intellectual property departments duking it out. (Boris wrote:) Well, no. In fact, there is nothing immoral in stopping dealing with Apple. Like it is always said - nothing personal, just business... Someone up the ladder came up with the power point presentation that appears to support the idea that in terms of profit this would be the best move for Samsung and hence the decision was eventually made. I am surprised it wasn't made way earlier, in fact. There's several ways to look at it. I'm not a Samsung fanboy or necessarily anti-Apple. Likewise. On the one hand, if you go suing your supplier who's also a competitor... well I don't know how much profit Samsung makes on their business with Apple, but $1B probably covers what they made on A LOT of iPad displays and other chips. So it sort of looks like, in a way, that Apple would be, in essence, getting Samsung's product for less than the agreed upon price. Score for Apple. If I were Samsung would I want to do business with a company that was essentially getting my product at a cut-rate price via litigation? Rumor has it Apple was already looking for lower cost displays. If I were Samsung I'd tell Apple to shove it, which they may have done. All businesses have a legitimate interest in making a fair and honest profit. On the other hand I read that $1B is only a day or two's worth of revenue for Samsung, and that the lawsuit may have elevated Samsung in the eyes of some as a worthy Apple competitor. If so, a possible misstep by Apple. I don't think it is that much important really, Tom. You see, I don't really think it can hurt the consumers one way or another. It is not as if Samsung will be prohibited from making and selling cell phones, period. It is not as if iPhone is going away. Even Nokia, being in dire straits now (as it seems from the press) still produces bloody lot of their units. I don't think that either outcome will seriously affect either company. I don't think it is a publicity stunt because it is taking far too long for that - mass memory does not have that long a term. I sincerely think that what we're seeing today is a number of people who hold positions of immense power that have climbed up some rather tall ladders that grew to be trees and they cannot be made to climb down. However in my original message I was trying to be more theoretical. In principle, Samsung should have sat down, looked at the numbers and made the optimal decision in terms of their business going. It well may be that they *chose* to do what is being done now just like I described. I don't countenance the theft of intellectual property via Samsung or Apple and I don't know where the truth is there. I certainly don't agree with 'you cant make a product that's slim, rectangular, has rounded corners and uses icons or gestures that are meaningful'. I do remember the story about Palm Pilot creators who carried a wooden block of the form of Palm Pilot in their pocket to see if it is convenient. I reckon if late Steve Jobs or whomever else did it, they would be emotionally pissed to know that someone did not have to do this but the other person's company is producing slim, rectangular smart blocks of plastic and silicon... I think we talked about patent system few threads ago and it is indeed one of the more contorted creations of human mind, at least as of nowadays. It seems that corporations, like governments, once in power, do everything possible to stay in power and suppress contenders. Absolutely. It is animal instinct taken to the power of human mind taken to the power of size of the corporation. The actions of a corporation are the deliberate actions of thinking human beings. Those actions are either fair and legitimate or they are not, regardless of how the legal profession wishes to spin it. I have to beg to differ here. The actions of corporations are sequences of deliberate actions of human beings, some of which are not really thinking. As such, they are
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
on 2012-10-23 22:40 Boris Liberman wrote Well, no. In fact, there is nothing immoral in stopping dealing with Apple. Like it is always said - nothing personal, just business... Someone up the ladder came up with the power point presentation that appears to support the idea that in terms of profit this would be the best move for Samsung and hence the decision was eventually made. I am surprised it wasn't made way earlier, in fact. but the decision wasn't made; a headline was written and the result is a lesson in how we should be more careful about believing what the media tell us -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
but the decision wasn't made; a headline was written and the result is a lesson in how we should be more careful about believing what the media tell us The truth may lie somewhere in between, who knows? Even this article, that ostensibly corrects the original story with Samsung denying the rumor, ends with: An industry source told CNET the relationship between the two has broken down and they will part ways after existing agreements are fulfilled. The Apple-Samsung relationship has deteriorated to such a poor point that they're just looking to fill contractual obligations, then make a change, the source said. For now, Apple will continue to get some LCD panels from Samsung Display, but that might change as Apple continues it's legal battle with Samsung. The two are due back in U.S. courts Dec. 6. http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/samsung-denies-rumors-it-will-stop-selling-displays-to-apple-1106558 It would make sense to me, if it turns out to be true in the end. Samsung is essentially boosting and supporting the market position of it's main competitor, and that makes little business sense, especially when the competitor is suing you in court. It's parallel to another story that Wal-Mart will cease to carry Amazon Kindle Fires because Amazon is offering the Wal-Mart customer a complete 'shopping ecosystem' that competes directly with Wal-Mart itself. (Why wasn't Wal-Mart smart enough to figure that out before?) Another story I read on Samsung/Apple voiced the opinion of 'Who Cares?, as technology is moving so quickly that the suit weill quickly be irrelevant. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
Regarding Wal-Mart/Amazon, the same is true of any tablet or PC they sell... T On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: but the decision wasn't made; a headline was written and the result is a lesson in how we should be more careful about believing what the media tell us The truth may lie somewhere in between, who knows? Even this article, that ostensibly corrects the original story with Samsung denying the rumor, ends with: An industry source told CNET the relationship between the two has broken down and they will part ways after existing agreements are fulfilled. The Apple-Samsung relationship has deteriorated to such a poor point that they're just looking to fill contractual obligations, then make a change, the source said. For now, Apple will continue to get some LCD panels from Samsung Display, but that might change as Apple continues it's legal battle with Samsung. The two are due back in U.S. courts Dec. 6. http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/samsung-denies-rumors-it-will-stop-selling-displays-to-apple-1106558 It would make sense to me, if it turns out to be true in the end. Samsung is essentially boosting and supporting the market position of it's main competitor, and that makes little business sense, especially when the competitor is suing you in court. It's parallel to another story that Wal-Mart will cease to carry Amazon Kindle Fires because Amazon is offering the Wal-Mart customer a complete 'shopping ecosystem' that competes directly with Wal-Mart itself. (Why wasn't Wal-Mart smart enough to figure that out before?) Another story I read on Samsung/Apple voiced the opinion of 'Who Cares?, as technology is moving so quickly that the suit weill quickly be irrelevant. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com I think that what's moral for individual human beings does not necessarily apply to corporations. Specifically, I think that the so called grey area is much broader for corporations than it is for you and me. In theory that's correct. In practice it's wrong. I know it. You know it. The CEO's know it. (I'm not implying you didn't) :) (Frank wrote:) Doesn't mean they should stop making money from on of their biggest clients, does it? This is a simple ongoing commodity transaction that is completely divorced from the intellectual property departments duking it out. (Boris wrote:) Well, no. In fact, there is nothing immoral in stopping dealing with Apple. Like it is always said - nothing personal, just business... Someone up the ladder came up with the power point presentation that appears to support the idea that in terms of profit this would be the best move for Samsung and hence the decision was eventually made. I am surprised it wasn't made way earlier, in fact. There's several ways to look at it. I'm not a Samsung fanboy or necessarily anti-Apple. On the one hand, if you go suing your supplier who's also a competitor... well I don't know how much profit Samsung makes on their business with Apple, but $1B probably covers what they made on A LOT of iPad displays and other chips. So it sort of looks like, in a way, that Apple would be, in essence, getting Samsung's product for less than the agreed upon price. Score for Apple. If I were Samsung would I want to do business with a company that was essentially getting my product at a cut-rate price via litigation? Rumor has it Apple was already looking for lower cost displays. If I were Samsung I'd tell Apple to shove it, which they may have done. All businesses have a legitimate interest in making a fair and honest profit. On the other hand I read that $1B is only a day or two's worth of revenue for Samsung, and that the lawsuit may have elevated Samsung in the eyes of some as a worthy Apple competitor. If so, a possible misstep by Apple. I don't countenance the theft of intellectual property via Samsung or Apple and I don't know where the truth is there. I certainly don't agree with 'you cant make a product that's slim, rectangular, has rounded corners and uses icons or gestures that are meaningful'. It seems that corporations, like governments, once in power, do everything possible to stay in power and suppress contenders. The actions of a corporation are the deliberate actions of thinking human beings. Those actions are either fair and legitimate or they are not, regardless of how the legal profession wishes to spin it. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2012-10-22 11:22 Tom C wrote It's what I thought would happen. Why would a company want to sell components to a competitor that tries to rip them off for $1B in court? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57537137-37/samsung-kicking-apple-to-curb-for-lcd-panels-report-says/ this report is denied by Samsung -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
The answer to your question is that corporations are amoral beings. Note: I'm not saying they are evil, and I am not saying that some corporations aren't run by very moral and good executives. All that matters to a company is the bottom line, profits, keeping shareholders happy. So what if Apple sued them? That matter was before the courts and was (or will be -can't remember if it's over and done with) dealt with accordingly. Doesn't mean they should stop making money from on of their biggest clients, does it? This is a simple ongoing commodity transaction that is completely divorced from the intellectual property departments duking it out. Life goes on... Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Sent: October 22, 2012 10/22/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple It's what I thought would happen. Why would a company want to sell components to a competitor that tries to rip them off for $1B in court? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57537137-37/samsung-kicking-apple-to-curb-for-lcd-panels-report-says/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple
Yeah, but corporations are run, ultimately, by people. And people hold grudges, they try to minimize embarrassment, and so on. It's perfectly reasonable that Samsung would avoid doing business with Apple for a while. On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:19 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The answer to your question is that corporations are amoral beings. Note: I'm not saying they are evil, and I am not saying that some corporations aren't run by very moral and good executives. All that matters to a company is the bottom line, profits, keeping shareholders happy. So what if Apple sued them? That matter was before the courts and was (or will be -can't remember if it's over and done with) dealt with accordingly. Doesn't mean they should stop making money from on of their biggest clients, does it? This is a simple ongoing commodity transaction that is completely divorced from the intellectual property departments duking it out. Life goes on... Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Sent: October 22, 2012 10/22/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT - Samsung Reportedly Will Stop Sourcing Apple It's what I thought would happen. Why would a company want to sell components to a competitor that tries to rip them off for $1B in court? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57537137-37/samsung-kicking-apple-to-curb-for-lcd-panels-report-says/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/24/2012 6:19 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: The answer to your question is that corporations are amoral beings. Note: I'm not saying they are evil, and I am not saying that some corporations aren't run by very moral and good executives. I think that what's moral for individual human beings does not necessarily apply to corporations. Specifically, I think that the so called grey area is much broader for corporations than it is for you and me. All that matters to a company is the bottom line, profits, keeping shareholders happy. Many humans live similar lives. Substitute company by family and shareholders by wife and kids. Doesn't mean they should stop making money from on of their biggest clients, does it? This is a simple ongoing commodity transaction that is completely divorced from the intellectual property departments duking it out. Well, no. In fact, there is nothing immoral in stopping dealing with Apple. Like it is always said - nothing personal, just business... Someone up the ladder came up with the power point presentation that appears to support the idea that in terms of profit this would be the best move for Samsung and hence the decision was eventually made. I am surprised it wasn't made way earlier, in fact. Life goes on... It sure does. Before Apple and Samsung there were Nokia. Made great phones, by the way. Not all of them, but some were great indeed. There will be life after Apple and Samsung just as well... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
