Re: PAW: Clear at the Can
frank theriault wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:58:22 -0800, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree. Even though you didn't think it would make any difference, Frank, the explanation does bring more meaning and interest into the photo. Thanks for sharing it. The explanation makes the photo, in truth. I know there's a lot of commentary to the contrary, but there simply are some photos that benefit from a little help. Well, I'm glad. Thanks both Paul and Bruce for the comments. Of course, what's really interesting (to me) is that my beautiful Italian machine is front and centre vbg. Near brings tears to your eyes, it does! g thanks again, frank No, just kidding, Frank. Nice machine. Somehow it just looks 'nimble...' Is it? keith
Re: PAW: Clear at the Can
So... uh... where are the brakes? And the kickstand? ;) Chris On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:57:45 -0500, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll say more about it later, but I will say that's my Rossin Track Bike in the foreground. Comments are always welcome: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2870605 cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Frank's bike don't need no steenkeeng brakes! Looks like it's got none. Nice bike, I bet it's very light. Pat White
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On 11/11/04, Pat White, discombobulated, unleashed: Frank's bike don't need no steenkeeng brakes! Looks like it's got none. Nice bike, I bet it's very light. It doesn't need a seat either or so I gather :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:31:27 +, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't need a seat either or so I gather They're calling me Falsetto Frank nowadays... g -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Clear at the Can
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:52:12 -0800, Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank's bike don't need no steenkeeng brakes! Looks like it's got none. Nice bike, I bet it's very light. Pat White Thanks Pat (and Chris, too). Whenever anyone asks where the brakes are, I slap my thighs real loud and say, Here's my brakes, buddy! vbg The bike's pretty light, but not especially so. About 18 pounds. Top of the line road bikes for climbing mountains (like in the Tour de France) come in at about 16 pounds, even with all their brakes and gears - mind you, who has $10,000 to spend on a 16 pound bike? (I think someone else buys Lance's bikes for him). My 18 pounds is with pretty stock parts - all aluminium, pretty much. If I went titanium or carbon fibre, I could probably trim a pound or two, but at a very high price. That being said, track bikes aren't usually particularly light. The guys on the velodrome at the Olympics have bikes in the 25 pound range, believe it or not. They produce so much torque that they need super heavy-duty stuff. Lightness isn't nearly as important as power transfer to them - so they need ultra-stiff. Any flex means lost power and torque, and when races are literally won by inches, well, you get the idea. One thing about my frame is that since it's made of those big tubes, it is very very stiff. Especially down at the Bottom Bracket (which is where the pedals stick out of the frame). That's where a lot of frames flex, even if a bit. I noticed going from my last track bike (as I told Keith, a Cyclops) which had a steel frame, that this bike has no flex at all down there. It wasn't noticeable on the other bike, until I road this one and thus had a point of reference. Anyway, I love to talk about my bike (even though it tried to kill me last month g), and my posting this PAW was merely a way that I could do so g. I'll shut up now. vbg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:09:25 -0800, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The explanation makes the photo, in truth. I know there's a lot of commentary to the contrary, but there simply are some photos that benefit from a little help. I was going to mention the explanation at the first post, but then I remembered a few people mentioning that people talk too much when they post PAW's, and that they should just post the pic with few words. Maybe this one's the exception... Near brings tears to your eyes, it does! g It does indeed. Needs a paint job, and then it'll look even prettier than it does now - although there's something to be said for the scars of a working bike g. thanks again, frank No, just kidding, Frank. Nice machine. Somehow it just looks 'nimble...' Is it? I know it's pretty hard to see in that photo, from that perspective, but it's not especially steep geometry (don't ask me for the head tube and seat tube angles - I have no idea what mine are, and what's steep and what's relaxed - I'm just not that type of gear-head g). My prior track bike, a Cyclops custom made here in Toronto had pretty steep geometry - pretty much the current stuff that they're using on tracks these days. My Rossin is a bit slacker; the wheelbase is about 1 inch longer, which is pretty significant. I'm told that my current geometry is traditional six day geometry. Since in the old six day velodrome races (which were real popular in the 20's and 30's) they were on the bikes for (yes) six days, they were built for comfort over handling. So, mine is about 1/2 way between current track and steep road frames. So, to answer your question, yes it's nimble, but not twitchy (my old Cyclops was twitchy - so much so that it could be a handful at times, but it was great in traffic). This one is much more comfortable (despite that fat aluminium frame), but is far more nimble than a road bike. It's a really nice compromise for a city courier bike - as I found out when I road it to Kingston about 280 km away, it's ~not~ the bike for a long ride! g Aren't you glad I asked? vbg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Ok, you have lost me with the title. The image seems a bit busy to me, but again, I'm not quite sure what I am looking at based on the title. Appears to be a snap of two riders taking a break. You're going to have to fill me in just a bit more. Bruce Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 3:57:45 PM, you wrote: ft I'll say more about it later, but I will say that's my Rossin Track ft Bike in the foreground. Comments are always welcome: ft http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2870605 ft cheers, ft frank
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Hi Frank ... I'll agree with Bruce about the business. That the one fellow has his head down doesn't add anything to the pic, and may well detract from it. Far from one of your best ... sorry can't muster any enthusiasm for this one. Shel From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll say more about it later, but I will say that's my Rossin Track Bike in the foreground. Comments are always welcome: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2870605
Re: PAW: Clear at the Can
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:07:44 -0800, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, you have lost me with the title. The image seems a bit busy to me, but again, I'm not quite sure what I am looking at based on the title. Appears to be a snap of two riders taking a break. You're going to have to fill me in just a bit more. Bruce Nothing to fill in. It's two riders, taking a break. I'd explain the title, but it would still be a snap of two riders taking a break. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Then, as it stands, it doesn't speak to me - not being much of a rider. More like a Shel Happy Snap type of image. Goodness knows, I have a ton of them myself. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 6:16:33 PM, you wrote: ft On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:07:44 -0800, Bruce Dayton ft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, you have lost me with the title. The image seems a bit busy to me, but again, I'm not quite sure what I am looking at based on the title. Appears to be a snap of two riders taking a break. You're going to have to fill me in just a bit more. Bruce ft Nothing to fill in. It's two riders, taking a break. ft I'd explain the title, but it would still be a snap of two riders ft taking a break. ft cheers, ft frank
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:23:32 -0800, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then, as it stands, it doesn't speak to me - not being much of a rider. More like a Shel Happy Snap type of image. Goodness knows, I have a ton of them myself. Well, if I tell you about the title, I'm sure the photo won't speak to you any more than it does otherwise. vbg And, yeah, it's a snap - a snap that I like, actually, but as I always say (so often I'm sure you're all getting sick of it), the print looks so much better - the two subjects really jump out from that background; there's almost a 3D effect that I just can't replicate with PS. Okay, the title. In Toronto, the largest office tower is the First Canadian Place. We call it the Can. So, when we're between calls (clear), we're Clear at the Can. That's all. Our dispatcher asks us, What's your 20? (location), we answer, Clear at the Can. This photo is two couriers hanging around behind the Can, so... Sorry it doesn't speak to you, Bruce. But, I'm very happy that you looked, and took the time to comment. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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i find this photo much more enjoyable now that I know what clear at the can means. Sometimes words and photos work together to tell a better story than either can relate on their own. This is one of those times. Thanks for explaining this scenario. In that context, I find it very interesting. Paul On Nov 10, 2004, at 10:23 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:23:32 -0800, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then, as it stands, it doesn't speak to me - not being much of a rider. More like a Shel Happy Snap type of image. Goodness knows, I have a ton of them myself. Well, if I tell you about the title, I'm sure the photo won't speak to you any more than it does otherwise. vbg And, yeah, it's a snap - a snap that I like, actually, but as I always say (so often I'm sure you're all getting sick of it), the print looks so much better - the two subjects really jump out from that background; there's almost a 3D effect that I just can't replicate with PS. Okay, the title. In Toronto, the largest office tower is the First Canadian Place. We call it the Can. So, when we're between calls (clear), we're Clear at the Can. That's all. Our dispatcher asks us, What's your 20? (location), we answer, Clear at the Can. This photo is two couriers hanging around behind the Can, so... Sorry it doesn't speak to you, Bruce. But, I'm very happy that you looked, and took the time to comment. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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I have to agree. Even though you didn't think it would make any difference, Frank, the explanation does bring more meaning and interest into the photo. Thanks for sharing it. Bruce Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 7:34:56 PM, you wrote: PS i find this photo much more enjoyable now that I know what clear at PS the can means. Sometimes words and photos work together to tell a PS better story than either can relate on their own. This is one of those PS times. Thanks for explaining this scenario. In that context, I find it PS very interesting. PS Paul PS On Nov 10, 2004, at 10:23 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:23:32 -0800, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then, as it stands, it doesn't speak to me - not being much of a rider. More like a Shel Happy Snap type of image. Goodness knows, I have a ton of them myself. Well, if I tell you about the title, I'm sure the photo won't speak to you any more than it does otherwise. vbg And, yeah, it's a snap - a snap that I like, actually, but as I always say (so often I'm sure you're all getting sick of it), the print looks so much better - the two subjects really jump out from that background; there's almost a 3D effect that I just can't replicate with PS. Okay, the title. In Toronto, the largest office tower is the First Canadian Place. We call it the Can. So, when we're between calls (clear), we're Clear at the Can. That's all. Our dispatcher asks us, What's your 20? (location), we answer, Clear at the Can. This photo is two couriers hanging around behind the Can, so... Sorry it doesn't speak to you, Bruce. But, I'm very happy that you looked, and took the time to comment. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PAW: Clear at the Can
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:58:22 -0800, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree. Even though you didn't think it would make any difference, Frank, the explanation does bring more meaning and interest into the photo. Thanks for sharing it. Well, I'm glad. Thanks both Paul and Bruce for the comments. Of course, what's really interesting (to me) is that my beautiful Italian machine is front and centre vbg. thanks again, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
