Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
On 3/16/2011 5:16 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: The thing I mentioned that I consider changing is the tilt. I am thinking if I should rotate it just slightly (CCW). This would make the female dancer mostly vertical, and would accent the back-bending of the guy. Unfortunately, that would cut off some of the audience in the background. What do you think? Igor I think that you're being perfectionist here. I really completely absolutely never thought of a tilt given that I was looking at a dance floor photograph which as I realized and you explained later on was pretty fast music and pretty intense dancing. So I think you might not need to think about tilt here... (I should really stop signing my messages, as I cannot seem to be able to type my name properly as of late) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
On 3/15/2011 5:14 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Here just one of the photos that I spotted while dumping the photos from the cards onto the desktop's HDD. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR28175.jpg There is one thing that I might change about this photo... .. So your brutal comments and suggestions are welcome. It is a competent work, Igor. Absolutely nothing to be brutal about. I know that you made a conscious choice to use on-camera flash (built-in or otherwise), hence the shadows behind the dancers. But given that I know that you knew about these shadows in advance, it is not a reason for critique. I shall stop now before the chain of I know that you know clauses entangles my brain to a total halt. I might not have computational power left be able to find a reset button thence. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
On Mar 15, 2011, at 11:41 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: I shall stop now before the chain of I know that you know clauses entangles my brain to a total halt. I might not have computational power left be able to find a reset button thence. Boris, you're a geek. But I know that you know that, so I won't belabor the point. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
On 3/16/2011 9:50 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Boris, you're a geek. But I know that you know that, so I won't belabor the point. Mea culpa or like they probably say in Texas - You got me, dude!. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
Thanks to all who looked and commented. Flash: yes, Boris, you are right. This is a consious decision: the dance is too fast (the music was probably about 200-250 bpm when that shot was taken), so, 1/80 s or 1/100 s is the longest exposure I can afford without getting motion blur, and f/4.0 or f/4.5 is as wide as I can do while minimizing number of out-of-focus shots (or amount of out-of-focus parts in the frame (again due to the fast movement and rather close distance). Previously, I've been using Gary Fong cloud lightsphere to soften the light. This time, I decided to go with a naked flash (external Metz). The were two reasons: higher consistency at the larger distances, and the fact that the lightsphere tends to blind people who are behind and next to me (due to the 360 deg. plain-isotropic light). This was a jam circle, - a spontaneous break out of intense dancing usually done to a faster song, when everybody comes around, forming a rather tight circle (I am at about the same distance from the dancers as they are from the people in the first row in the back). - And then better (and brave) dancers jump in, usually one couple at a time, - often for just 64 bits - to show off their talants, so that several couples get to shine within one song. This setting catches you where you managed to stand from the beginning (and the experienced dance-event photographers are usually trying to jump into the front row as soon as they see the motion forming that circle), so, it's hard to change your position. Hence, you just work with what happens, trying to get best out of the situation. My wife thinks that there was a better view on that couple at that moment from a different angle, - as she saw it live, - so, she is less impressed with this shot. (Larry, - see, - here is an advantage of not being at the Fest! - You can enjoy this shot more! ;-) ) The thing I mentioned that I consider changing is the tilt. I am thinking if I should rotate it just slightly (CCW). This would make the female dancer mostly vertical, and would accent the back-bending of the guy. Unfortunately, that would cut off some of the audience in the background. What do you think? Igor Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Igor Roshchin Subject: PESO - 1 out of ~995 During the weekend I increased the backlog of the photos that need to be sorted out by almost 1000. It was Lindyfest in Houston - a large swing (primarily lindy hop) festival. Here just one of the photos that I spotted while dumping the photos from the cards onto the desktop's HDD. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR28175.jpg There is one thing that I might change about this photo... .. So your brutal comments and suggestions are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
I didn't realize it was a jam with everyone sitting down. On Mar 16, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Previously, I've been using Gary Fong cloud lightsphere to soften the light. This time, I decided to go with a naked flash (external Metz). The were two reasons: higher consistency at the larger distances, and the fact that the lightsphere tends to blind people who are behind and next to me (due to the 360 deg. plain-isotropic light). You could try getting one of those fabric reflectors that velcro onto the flash and wrap it around three sides, point the flash straight up, most of the light will bounce, but you'll get a bunch of fill going straight forward. Or, you could put your light on a monopod and hold it up and away from the camera. I'd probably make one of my water jug diffusers, but put foil on three sides so that it would be like a directed fongdong. My wife thinks that there was a better view on that couple at that moment from a different angle, - as she saw it live, - so, she is less impressed with this shot. (Larry, - see, - here is an advantage of not being at the Fest! - You can enjoy this shot more! ;-) ) Dancing with your wife is more fun than looking at your photos. The thing I mentioned that I consider changing is the tilt. I am thinking if I should rotate it just slightly (CCW). This would make the female dancer mostly vertical, and would accent the back-bending of the guy. Unfortunately, that would cut off some of the audience in the background. What do you think? Is it a picture of the dancers or the audience? Even with cropping you'll still see that there's an audience, and the dancers are a lot more important. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
Here is the moment when this photo was taken: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5S_N94zkU8#t=616s You can see my flash going through the dancers at ~10:16-10:17 (I was on the opposite side of the circle) Larry wrote: I didn't realize it was a jam with everyone sitting down. Actually, - the fact that I was also sitting down created a harsher shadow - photos taken at a different jam, when I was photographing from the same level or slightly above didn't have such drastic shadows. Or, you could put your light on a monopod and hold it up and away from the camera. Not a feasible solution. It is not compact enough (and not controllable enough in a crowd). Even just with a hot-shoe flash I had one of the couples swinging a hand/arm into the flash or the lens shade (fortunately without any consequences to either side). You could try getting one of those fabric reflectors that velcro onto the flash and wrap it around three sides, point the flash straight up, most of the light will bounce, but you'll get a bunch of fill going straight forward. That ceiling didn't bounce much light. It one of those sound-proof dropped (aka false-) ceilings that are porous. It is also rather high. I'd probably make one of my water jug diffusers, but put foil on three sides so that it would be like a directed fongdong. I was already thinking about attaching some foil on the Lightsphere sides. And a clarification: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:16:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Flash: yes, Boris, you are right. This is a consious decision: the dance is too fast (the music was probably about 200-250 bpm when that shot was taken), so, 1/80 s or 1/100 s is the longest exposure I can I just listened to the audio on Youtube, - it is about 266 bpm. Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Here is the moment when this photo was taken: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5S_N94zkU8#t=616s You can see my flash going through the dancers at ~10:16-10:17 (I was on the opposite side of the circle) It looks like you might have gotten some other good shots too. Larry wrote: I didn't realize it was a jam with everyone sitting down. Actually, - the fact that I was also sitting down created a harsher shadow- photos taken at a different jam, when I was photographing from the same level or slightly above didn't have such drastic shadows. Yeah, they wouldn't be as obvious on a lumpy surface like a crowd as they are on a flat ceiling. Or, you could put your light on a monopod and hold it up and away from the camera. Not a feasible solution. It is not compact enough (and not controllable enough in a crowd). Even just with a hot-shoe flash I had one of the couples swinging a hand/arm into the flash or the lens shade (fortunately without any consequences to either side). I keep meaning to experiment with wireless control using the pop up as a little bit of fill. I don't suppose Jane would be willing to hold the flash about 8 feet from you to get a nicer angle? You could try getting one of those fabric reflectors that velcro onto the flash and wrap it around three sides, point the flash straight up, most of the light will bounce, but you'll get a bunch of fill going straight forward. That ceiling didn't bounce much light. It one of those sound-proof dropped (aka false-) ceilings that are porous. It is also rather high. I'd probably make one of my water jug diffusers, but put foil on three sides so that it would be like a directed fongdong. I was already thinking about attaching some foil on the Lightsphere sides. That would work too. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Great shot. Really show a fun time. Dave On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: During the weekend I increased the backlog of the photos that need to be sorted out by almost 1000. It was Lindyfest in Houston - a large swing (primarily lindy hop) festival. Here just one of the photos that I spotted while dumping the photos from the cards onto the desktop's HDD. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR28175.jpg There is one thing that I might change about this photo... .. So your brutal comments and suggestions are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: During the weekend I increased the backlog of the photos that need to be sorted out by almost 1000. It was Lindyfest in Houston - a large swing (primarily lindy hop) festival. Here just one of the photos that I spotted while dumping the photos from the cards onto the desktop's HDD. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR28175.jpg There is one thing that I might change about this photo... .. So your brutal comments and suggestions are welcome. My biggest gripe with that picture is that I wasn't there to show you how it's done. The only way I'll be able to afford to go to a dance camp in the near future is if they hold one at my house. You did a great job capturing and freezing the moment. The flash looks a bit harsh but I don't know what you could do differently. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
On 11-03-15 11:14 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: During the weekend I increased the backlog of the photos that need to be sorted out by almost 1000. It was Lindyfest in Houston - a large swing (primarily lindy hop) festival. Here just one of the photos that I spotted while dumping the photos from the cards onto the desktop's HDD. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR28175.jpg There is one thing that I might change about this photo... .. So your brutal comments and suggestions are welcome. Excellent shot, Igor. Brutal enough for ya? :) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: During the weekend I increased the backlog of the photos that need to be sorted out by almost 1000. It was Lindyfest in Houston - a large swing (primarily lindy hop) festival. Here just one of the photos that I spotted while dumping the photos from the cards onto the desktop's HDD. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR28175.jpg There is one thing that I might change about this photo... .. So your brutal comments and suggestions are welcome. Very dynamic, fun shot. Love it! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 1 out of ~995
Great capture ! Love the sense of enjoyment shown here. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Subject: PESO - 1 out of ~995 During the weekend I increased the backlog of the photos that need to be sorted out by almost 1000. It was Lindyfest in Houston - a large swing (primarily lindy hop) festival. Here just one of the photos that I spotted while dumping the photos from the cards onto the desktop's HDD. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR28175.jpg There is one thing that I might change about this photo... .. So your brutal comments and suggestions are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You captured the moment. Love it! Paul On Mar 15, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: During the weekend I increased the backlog of the photos that need to be sorted out by almost 1000. It was Lindyfest in Houston - a large swing (primarily lindy hop) festival. Here just one of the photos that I spotted while dumping the photos from the cards onto the desktop's HDD. http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2011/_IR28175.jpg There is one thing that I might change about this photo... .. So your brutal comments and suggestions are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
