Re: PESO - first peso
With the brush on top of it's hood, it reminds me a bit of Marvin the Martian (my favorite Looney Tunes Character ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 7/7/2006 4:35:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: okay, i now have a place to post to here it goes. this is a peregrin falcon i shot at an air show http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic10.html and as the saying goes: "honest and brutal please" (just not too brutal, I'm still a PESO virgin :) russell == That's actually a very effective shot. Really makes me feel sorry for the bird. Good use of shallow DOF for the people background too. Nice one. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'm not sure. It's nice the way we can see how people react to the bird, but I'm not sure which should be sharp - the bird or the faces or both. Both, I guess ... Which means, that a wide angle (10-30mm) would hav been be the better choise (greater DOF). So, I't a fine image, but would probably have been even better with a shorter focal length. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Russell Kerstetter Sendt: 8. juli 2006 01:30 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: PESO - first peso okay, i now have a place to post to here it goes. this is a peregrin falcon i shot at an air show http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic10.html and as the saying goes: "honest and brutal please" (just not too brutal, I'm still a PESO virgin :) russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 07/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/387 - Release Date: 07/12/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I do shoot filterless, I meant that was the "filter" used in the conversion i think that it helped to highlight the bird. which i suppose needing to highlight the bird is more evidence that Picasa isn't my best choice for B&W conversions russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'm not an expert in the area of BW filtration, but I believe a green filter will lighten foliage but darken skin tones. That could be part of your problem. Shoot without a filter until you get yoru bearings on a standard conversion. The less you have to deal with at first, the better. Paul On Jul 8, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote: >> I would think the muddiness is a function of the conversion. > > that's what i thought. Earlier this afternoon, I recalled someone > made a comment about a different PESO with a B&W conversion, that it > reminded him a photo that used to be color. I think that applies to > this one as well. Also, I am using google's Picasa 2. > > >> What color filter did you use? Are you shooting digital? > > a green filter, and yes > > russell > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> I would think the muddiness is a function of the conversion. that's what i thought. Earlier this afternoon, I recalled someone made a comment about a different PESO with a B&W conversion, that it reminded him a photo that used to be color. I think that applies to this one as well. Also, I am using google's Picasa 2. > What color filter did you use? Are you shooting digital? a green filter, and yes russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I would think the muddiness is a function of the conversion. There are many conversion methods that work well. If you're working in PhotoShop, try using the channel mixer for a start. Just cick on monochrome and work with the three channels to get a pleasing effect. Click on the monochrome button near the bottom of the channel mixer window. Use a lot of the red channel. For many shots, at least 90% or so. Set the constant to near zero or just a bit below. Then dial in just a bit of green and blue. Work each slider independently in those approximate ranges until you get a pleasing effect. What color filter did you use? Are you shooting digital? Paul On Jul 8, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Russell Kerstetter wrote: > Thank you for the comments. > > Mark- I would like to see your "No Swimming", but I did not find it > on your site > > Paul Stenquist- I agree that this shot is muddy, as you say. And > since I am relatively new to this, you must pardon my silly questions. > Is the muddiness due to the B&W conversion that I use, or the color > filter I use on the B&W conversion, or is there something else that I > am missing? > > and wrt to my site and choice of colors... I have had a couple others > (not from PDML) comment on the blue on black, so that will be changing > at some point, but thank you for that comment as well. > > Russell > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi, A couple of things. The tonality is muddy and flat. At first glance it seems that a little more contrast would be helpful. A couple of questions/comments: have you ever seen exhibition quality B&W silver prints? If not, hie the to a museum or gallery and see what they look like and the various printing styles. Your DOF seems about perfect - the background shows the people clearly enough but they're OOF enough not to distract from the main subject. You might be able to get by with even a little less DOF, but this works pretty well. The black background with electric blue type is really a bad choice. The blue is a great distraction, and black, generaslly, is not as conducive for displaying photos as, for example, a more neutral grey. Depends, of course, on whether the image has a border or not, too. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Russell Kerstetter > this is a peregrin falcon i shot at an air show > > http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic10.html > > and as the saying goes: "honest and brutal please" > > (just not too brutal, I'm still a PESO virgin :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thank you for the comments. Mark- I would like to see your "No Swimming", but I did not find it on your site Paul Stenquist- I agree that this shot is muddy, as you say. And since I am relatively new to this, you must pardon my silly questions. Is the muddiness due to the B&W conversion that I use, or the color filter I use on the B&W conversion, or is there something else that I am missing? and wrt to my site and choice of colors... I have had a couple others (not from PDML) comment on the blue on black, so that will be changing at some point, but thank you for that comment as well. Russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In terms of composition and subject matter this is a worthy effort and is to be commended. But it's extremely muddy. There is no separation of midtones. Most of it is a bit soft, even the bird is not quite in focus. But you have a good eye. Work on your exposure and rendering. Paul On Jul 8, 2006, at 1:09 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > Hi! > >> okay, i now have a place to post to here it goes. >> >> this is a peregrin falcon i shot at an air show >> >> http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic10.html >> >> and as the saying goes: "honest and brutal please" >> >> (just not too brutal, I'm still a PESO virgin :) > > Russel, I feel like I must comment. You see, it was me who first asked > for "brutal and honest" comments and now you say it is a saying. I > feel > almost like carved in stones of virtual eternity now ;-)... > > This is very fun shot. At least to me. It took me considerable time to > realize that the bird of prey has some kind of mask on his/her head. > Before that I had to hold myself from chuckling because it felt like > "what have they done to squeeze the head of poor birdie?" > > The only nit-pick I can come up with is the half-beheaded man on > top left. > > Boris > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi! > okay, i now have a place to post to here it goes. > > this is a peregrin falcon i shot at an air show > > http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic10.html > > and as the saying goes: "honest and brutal please" > > (just not too brutal, I'm still a PESO virgin :) Russel, I feel like I must comment. You see, it was me who first asked for "brutal and honest" comments and now you say it is a saying. I feel almost like carved in stones of virtual eternity now ;-)... This is very fun shot. At least to me. It took me considerable time to realize that the bird of prey has some kind of mask on his/her head. Before that I had to hold myself from chuckling because it felt like "what have they done to squeeze the head of poor birdie?" The only nit-pick I can come up with is the half-beheaded man on top left. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I like it - the boy looks like he's a little apprehensive to be so close to a bird with sharp talons and beak. I browsed the rest of your site too. You have some nice work there. A comment on your site design - while blue is a favorite color of mine, I find your navigation links with a blue font on a black field really hard to read, especially with the small font size. -P Russell Kerstetter wrote: > okay, i now have a place to post to here it goes. > > this is a peregrin falcon i shot at an air show > > http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic10.html > > and as the saying goes: "honest and brutal please" > > (just not too brutal, I'm still a PESO virgin :) > > russell > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Russell, I like the expression on the Mom's face in the background, kid too. I'd like to see some more of the falcon. It is interesting that the falcon is looking into your lens. Regards, Bob S. On 7/7/06, Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > okay, i now have a place to post to here it goes. > > this is a peregrin falcon i shot at an air show > > http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic10.html > > and as the saying goes: "honest and brutal please" > > (just not too brutal, I'm still a PESO virgin :) > > russell > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - first peso
Russell Kerstetter wrote: >okay, i now have a place to post to here it goes. > >this is a peregrin falcon i shot at an air show > >http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic10.html > >and as the saying goes: "honest and brutal please" > >(just not too brutal, I'm still a PESO virgin :) I like it. But I'n mot sure why. I'll think about and let you know. BTW: I browsed through the other shots in your gallery and there's some great stuff there. Several that I also like a lot without being able to say why :) Also - I have the counterpart to your "Thin Ice" shot. It's a picture of a frozen pond with a "No Swimming" sign! -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
