Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
2010/5/18 Toine : > > Good to see it's found a good home after living in a cupboard for many years. I'll do my best to make it feel at home alright. Mi lensa, su lensa =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
Good to see it's found a good home after living in a cupboard for many years. Toine On 18 May 2010 13:49, eckinator wrote: > Mr Dutch Free Camera Fairy > > I almost omitted you; I am sorry. Indeed that is the Z70 on its first > battery and roll and so far all functions appear to be in order. > Having finally obtained a full format camera without stupid menus, I > decided to go pro so it is of course Velvia... Thanks again, man =) > > Setup took a bit of practice but now I can have it up and pointed in > roughly the right direction in under two minutes with short or under > three with long legs. > > Now all I have to do is master it to the point of taking awesome > pictures so I can delete the nice ones ;] Not fishing for compliments > here, I'm really not all that happy with the image so I still have a > lot to learn. > > Cheers > Ecke > > 2010/5/18 Toine : >> That's a serious setup. I'm flabbergasted how all the angles and tilts >> interact properly. I do spot a Z70 :) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
Mr Dutch Free Camera Fairy I almost omitted you; I am sorry. Indeed that is the Z70 on its first battery and roll and so far all functions appear to be in order. Having finally obtained a full format camera without stupid menus, I decided to go pro so it is of course Velvia... Thanks again, man =) Setup took a bit of practice but now I can have it up and pointed in roughly the right direction in under two minutes with short or under three with long legs. Now all I have to do is master it to the point of taking awesome pictures so I can delete the nice ones ;] Not fishing for compliments here, I'm really not all that happy with the image so I still have a lot to learn. Cheers Ecke 2010/5/18 Toine : > That's a serious setup. I'm flabbergasted how all the angles and tilts > interact properly. I do spot a Z70 :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
eckinator wrote: 2010/5/17 eckinator : I'll post a few gear pics later today and add some explanations Here you go now. My kit. A combination of eBay steals and I'm so happy I finally get around to play with it extensively. My biggest problem at this time is that framing and focus change every time I adjust tilt, i.e. focal plane or shift, i.e. perspective correction. Presently I have sitting on my ballhead/qr base one macro rail which holds an L bracket with a panorama plate attached to it which then holds the bellows. All parts are Novoflex Q quick release so I can change the setup around as I proceed to learn. I came up with the pano plate idea because as you can see my tripod has no center column nor do the legs lock in every position so there is no easy on the fly height adjustment. The combination of a rail running at an angle with the pano plate, all parts moving also forwards and backwards in their respective clamps, gives limited height adjustment and at the same time lets me rotate the camera/bellows/lens assembly to reframe after tilting. One or actually the only weakness of the BalPro T/S is that the rear standart doesn't move well on the carrier rail because it isn't gear driven. Fine adjustment is simply not possibly so you have to move the entire assembly instead and then refocus using the lens standart. My main learning curve at this time is to observe and understand the impact of adjustments on framing and focus. Focal plane adjustment is pretty simple once you get the hang of it. Once back on a regular paycheque I hope to get another rail for sideways adjustments which would let me frame laterally without moving the tripod. Luckily that stuff is all relatively light. For this shot, the relatively extreme tilt angles meant I was grabbing light close to the outer edge of the image circle of the Copal 0 diameter large format lens I was using; it has a 59° angle of view and I was decentering by 27°. Also this means lighting falloff as the bellows extends plus a little more for tilt. I find IQ amazing for that and was very pleased with the viewfinder image. Focus confirmation was only moderately helpful. I focused using my eyes and the screen. I have another Copal 0 lens board so I am hoping to pick up another lens eventually. Reason: this lens lets me focus to infinity but at that setting there is no room for tilt, only very limited shift. A slightly longer lens would let me do that. When I picked up the bellows, I also grabbed a Pentax 67 camera adaptor for it but got outbid on the 67 lens board. Have yet to meet the free camera fairy though before I can think of shooting medium format film... Next step I'll try to find an adaptor plate that lets me put the rail between tripod and balhead to see if that is any better for framing. Also, the tripod has mount holes for flexible arms to which I can attach items such as reflectors, flashes, plane indicators to get the Scheimpflug adjustment done faster. The goal of it all is to be able to do it faster. Once I can set it up quickly to where and what I want, I can more easily try different angles etc. and learn how to use the extra DOF in framing. There is also an interesting option to be gained from inverting tilt as well as axial roation of assembly planes vs. subject plane - you can create a sharp wedge running across the subject at almost any angle, I've yet to learn that but I have some pretty good instructions =) Cheers Ecke Uh oh. Get out the Dyson. My mind is blown -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
That's a serious setup. I'm flabbergasted how all the angles and tilts interact properly. I do spot a Z70 :) On 17 May 2010 13:40, eckinator wrote: > Finally getting some free/shooting time to play with my tilt/shift > bellows and the result is nice but calls for extra light. > Tech details: K10D with Novoflex BalPro T/S, Schneider Kreuznach > Apo-Digitar 80/4, camera tilt 15°, lens approx 12°, ISO 1600 at 1/45s > and f/90 with Zörk TS-Dehner (pinhole DOF extender), noise reduced > with NeatImage, further edits to follow > > Same URL as always http://tinyurl.com/yeedjp4 > Comments, honest abuse and brutal suggestions or whatever you care to > throw at me appreciated > > Cheers > Ecke > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
2010/5/17 eckinator : > > I'll post a few gear pics later today and add some explanations Here you go now. My kit. A combination of eBay steals and I'm so happy I finally get around to play with it extensively. My biggest problem at this time is that framing and focus change every time I adjust tilt, i.e. focal plane or shift, i.e. perspective correction. Presently I have sitting on my ballhead/qr base one macro rail which holds an L bracket with a panorama plate attached to it which then holds the bellows. All parts are Novoflex Q quick release so I can change the setup around as I proceed to learn. I came up with the pano plate idea because as you can see my tripod has no center column nor do the legs lock in every position so there is no easy on the fly height adjustment. The combination of a rail running at an angle with the pano plate, all parts moving also forwards and backwards in their respective clamps, gives limited height adjustment and at the same time lets me rotate the camera/bellows/lens assembly to reframe after tilting. One or actually the only weakness of the BalPro T/S is that the rear standart doesn't move well on the carrier rail because it isn't gear driven. Fine adjustment is simply not possibly so you have to move the entire assembly instead and then refocus using the lens standart. My main learning curve at this time is to observe and understand the impact of adjustments on framing and focus. Focal plane adjustment is pretty simple once you get the hang of it. Once back on a regular paycheque I hope to get another rail for sideways adjustments which would let me frame laterally without moving the tripod. Luckily that stuff is all relatively light. For this shot, the relatively extreme tilt angles meant I was grabbing light close to the outer edge of the image circle of the Copal 0 diameter large format lens I was using; it has a 59° angle of view and I was decentering by 27°. Also this means lighting falloff as the bellows extends plus a little more for tilt. I find IQ amazing for that and was very pleased with the viewfinder image. Focus confirmation was only moderately helpful. I focused using my eyes and the screen. I have another Copal 0 lens board so I am hoping to pick up another lens eventually. Reason: this lens lets me focus to infinity but at that setting there is no room for tilt, only very limited shift. A slightly longer lens would let me do that. When I picked up the bellows, I also grabbed a Pentax 67 camera adaptor for it but got outbid on the 67 lens board. Have yet to meet the free camera fairy though before I can think of shooting medium format film... Next step I'll try to find an adaptor plate that lets me put the rail between tripod and balhead to see if that is any better for framing. Also, the tripod has mount holes for flexible arms to which I can attach items such as reflectors, flashes, plane indicators to get the Scheimpflug adjustment done faster. The goal of it all is to be able to do it faster. Once I can set it up quickly to where and what I want, I can more easily try different angles etc. and learn how to use the extra DOF in framing. There is also an interesting option to be gained from inverting tilt as well as axial roation of assembly planes vs. subject plane - you can create a sharp wedge running across the subject at almost any angle, I've yet to learn that but I have some pretty good instructions =) Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
2010/5/17 Bob Sullivan : > > You'll have to explain more about your equipment... eBay listing 120569383280 is a Zörk ST-Dehner set like I have except my manual says f/45, 67 and 90 as opposed to 40/60/80 as stated there. It is basically a screw-in hood for a 40.5 mm filter thread precision machined to hold one of three pinhole disks. Diffraction effects aren't quite the same as those of a fully stopped down lens (or past f/16 anyway) cheers ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/5/17 P. J. Alling : > > You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny, (or something like that, I > would assume, since we've never met). LOL... she used to when I was a 5th grade outsider... but ugly? nh =P > Oh, you meant about the photograph. It's green and lovely. Satisfied? Yessiree... even though I am thinking I should have perhaps taken it from a slightly lower position TY =) Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
On 5/17/2010 7:40 AM, eckinator wrote:
Finally getting some free/shooting time to play with my tilt/shift
bellows and the result is nice but calls for extra light.
Tech details: K10D with Novoflex BalPro T/S, Schneider Kreuznach
Apo-Digitar 80/4, camera tilt 15°, lens approx 12°, ISO 1600 at 1/45s
and f/90 with Zörk TS-Dehner (pinhole DOF extender), noise reduced
with NeatImage, further edits to follow
Same URL as always http://tinyurl.com/yeedjp4
Comments, honest abuse and brutal suggestions or whatever you care to
throw at me appreciated
Cheers
Ecke
You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny, (or something like that,
I would assume, since we've never met).
Oh, you meant about the photograph. It's green and lovely. Satisfied?
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Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
2010/5/17 Bob Sullivan : > ecke, > My those are BIG water drops! > Is that some kind of cactus leaf they are on? > A small leaf at high magnification, it makes an interesting photo. > You'll have to explain more about your equipment... > Regards, Bob S. > Hi Bob It is a bush but to be honest, I haven't the foggiest as to what kind. I've just now put the question to the owner and her neighbor and will let you know asap. The leaves look a bit like those of a succulent in terms of surface properties but they're not. I'll post a few gear pics in the same gallery later today and add some explanations to this thread. The key to the image is to match planes (subject, lens and sensor) as commanded by Scheimpflug's rule, i.e. make them all meet in one imaginary intersection (the word point doesn't quite hit the nail on the head) which will then cause the focal plane to be level with the subject plane. In this particular instance, IQ suffers quite a bit from the extreme tilt (27 of 30 possible combined angular degrees) as well as from aperture bending. My mistake BTW, image was taken at f/67. I'm also sure with a bit of practice I can do better than that but right now it is trial and error. Please have a look at this URL, the URH image pretty much shows my gear as well as the principle of it all except I did it at close range of about 5-7 cm. http://www.novoflexkreativdasbuch.de/pageID_8784247.html Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/5/17 Daniel J. Matyola : > Interesting and effective. I especially like the catch lights. > > I wanted to provide some abuse, but was blocked by your limitation to > "honest abuse." I guess I should go to the Argument Room. Thank you, Dan =) May I refer you to the "whatever you care to throw at me" department then? Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
Interesting and effective. I especially like the catch lights. I wanted to provide some abuse, but was blocked by your limitation to "honest abuse." I guess I should go to the Argument Room. Dan On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:40 AM, eckinator wrote: > Finally getting some free/shooting time to play with my tilt/shift > bellows and the result is nice but calls for extra light. > Tech details: K10D with Novoflex BalPro T/S, Schneider Kreuznach > Apo-Digitar 80/4, camera tilt 15°, lens approx 12°, ISO 1600 at 1/45s > and f/90 with Zörk TS-Dehner (pinhole DOF extender), noise reduced > with NeatImage, further edits to follow > > Same URL as always http://tinyurl.com/yeedjp4 > Comments, honest abuse and brutal suggestions or whatever you care to > throw at me appreciated > > Cheers > Ecke > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Tilted is the new level
ecke, My those are BIG water drops! Is that some kind of cactus leaf they are on? A small leaf at high magnification, it makes an interesting photo. You'll have to explain more about your equipment... Regards, Bob S. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:40 AM, eckinator wrote: > Finally getting some free/shooting time to play with my tilt/shift > bellows and the result is nice but calls for extra light. > Tech details: K10D with Novoflex BalPro T/S, Schneider Kreuznach > Apo-Digitar 80/4, camera tilt 15°, lens approx 12°, ISO 1600 at 1/45s > and f/90 with Zörk TS-Dehner (pinhole DOF extender), noise reduced > with NeatImage, further edits to follow > > Same URL as always http://tinyurl.com/yeedjp4 > Comments, honest abuse and brutal suggestions or whatever you care to > throw at me appreciated > > Cheers > Ecke > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
