re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Roman]

That's great, many Tokina lense now only available for other mounts 
shall come with K-mount, hopefully...

Happy holidays all.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[John Francis]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 10:14:59AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> graywolf wrote:
> 
> >One of the things that amuses me is how most people figure this stuff 
> is 
> >about manufacturing and selling things. No, it is about financial 
> >maniplations with the intention of large amounts of cash getting stuck 
> >in your pockets during the transaction. You can believe that the folks 
> >who engineered this are far wealthier than they were a year ago.
> 
> A year ago? Try two days ago ;-)
> (Pentax stock jumped 7.5% right after the announcement.)

... which still put it at less than the value of the Hoya offer,
which was reportedly 10% higher than the Pentax stock price.


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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Mark Roberts]

Tom C wrote:

>>From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>Tom C wrote:
>>
>> >>From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> >>>A year ago? Try two days ago ;-)
>> >>(Pentax stock jumped 7.5% right after the announcement.)
>> >
>> >Guess what Hoya's did...
>>
>>Went up. Not as much as Pentax's did, but still more than double the
>>average gain of companies on the Nikkei Index for the day.
>
>I read it went up .5%.

And the average for the Nikkei that day was .22%


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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Tom C]

>From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: Pentax and HOYA merging
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:10:03 -0500 (EST)
>
>Tom C wrote:
>
> >>From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >>>A year ago? Try two days ago ;-)
> >>(Pentax stock jumped 7.5% right after the announcement.)
> >
> >Guess what Hoya's did...
>
>Went up. Not as much as Pentax's did, but still more than double the
>average gain of companies on the Nikkei Index for the day.
>

I read it went up .5%.

Tom C.



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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Mark Roberts]

Tom C wrote:

>>From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>>A year ago? Try two days ago ;-)
>>(Pentax stock jumped 7.5% right after the announcement.)
>
>Guess what Hoya's did...

Went up. Not as much as Pentax's did, but still more than double the 
average gain of companies on the Nikkei Index for the day.


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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Tom C]

>From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>Subject: Re: Pentax and HOYA merging
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:49:15 -0600
>
>Absolutely correct Paul.  My feelings exactly.  Regards,  Bob S.
>

Ah hah! All the answers.  When Paul and Bob agree, the world listens. :-)

Tom C.



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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Tom C]

>From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>A year ago? Try two days ago ;-)
>(Pentax stock jumped 7.5% right after the announcement.)
>
>

Guess what Hoya's did...

Tom C.



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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:

> ...
>> According to a former Nikon rep I know, who visited the factory in
>> Japan, Hoya makes "Nikon" filters.
>>
> Tokina makes Hoya filters , and Hoya makes Nikon filters ??

Tokina is part of Hoya.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Michel Carrère-Gée]

...
> According to a former Nikon rep I know, who visited the factory in 
> Japan, Hoya makes "Nikon" filters. 
>   
Tokina makes Hoya filters , and Hoya makes Nikon filters ??



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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Bob Sullivan]

Absolutely correct Paul.  My feelings exactly.  Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/22/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is really no such thing as a pure merger. One partner is always
> dominant. Yet many mergers/acquisitions are successful and made with
> the best intentions. And when a product line is strong, it survives.
> Deeper resources can be a plus for a small manufacturer. I see this
> as a very positive step for Pentax. However, short term it will have
> no impact whatsoever. It's far too soon for hand wringing. I'm good
> with my current equipment for the next few years at least. And I hope
> to add some DA* lenses. They're not going away.
> Paul
> On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:03 AM, graywolf wrote:
>
> > One of the things that amuses me is how most people figure this
> > stuff is
> > about manufacturing and selling things. No, it is about financial
> > maniplations with the intention of large amounts of cash getting stuck
> > in your pockets during the transaction. You can believe that the folks
> > who engineered this are far wealthier than they were a year ago.
> >
> >  From what I have seen over the years, merger=marriage,
> > acquisition=rape.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob Sullivan wrote:
> >> This is all financial engineering stuff done by the Mergers &
> >> Acquisition people.
> >> They look at the sales/marketing end of the business and say,
> >> "Wow, Hoya and Pentax have some strengths in the marketplace with
> >> buyers."
> >> Then they look at the the manufacturing/distribution side of the
> >> business and say,
> >> "Wow, they could do that a lot cheaper if they consolidated
> >> operations."
> >> So the financial guys 'engineer' a more profitable new enterprise.
> >> (Sometimes the results workout, sometimes they don't - the M & A
> >> people get their money up front!)
> >> Regards,  Bob S.
> >>
> >> On 12/21/06, Bertil Holmberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Pentax is a valuable trademark, and its value is increasing now
>  with the K-series dslrs.  I do not think they will leave it.
> >>> More info from DCWatch. Twice as large and much more profitable HOYA
> >>> is swallowing Pentax but I'm sure they will keep their trade marks.
> >>> Will this mean HOYA glass in Pentax lenses?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Basic agreement for HOYA, Pentax, and business integration
> >>>
> >>> The digital camera maintains the imaging business of Pentax.
> >>>
> >>> HOYA Ltd. and Pentax Ltd. announced that it basic agreed for the two
> >>> companies to amalgamate on the 21st and October 1, 2007, and to do
> >>> the management integration. The surviving company becomes HOYA. The
> >>> name of the company of a new company is "HOYA Pentax HD (Eitide)
> >>> Ltd.. "
> >>>
> >>> President and Representative Director present Pentax Fumio Urano
> >>> assumes the position of the new company director chairman and
> >>> Hiroshi
> >>> present HOYA representative execution post CEO Suzuki assumes the
> >>> position of representative execution post CEO respectively. In
> >>> integration, the common stock 0.158 stocks a common stock stock of
> >>> Pentax of HOYA are allocated.
> >>>
> >>> The two companies assume optics, the image, and the material to be a
> >>> common technological base by business integration, and aim at the
> >>> optimization of the business centering on each field of the life
> >>> care, Optx, the information electronics, the eye caring, and the
> >>> imaging system. Additionally, earnings to which the information
> >>> electronics field and the eye caring field are steady are turned on,
> >>> and it aims at strategic growth in the life caring field. In
> >>> addition, the business structure is qualitatively converted by the
> >>> vertical integration, and strengthening competitive edge is aimed at
> >>> in the Optx field.
> >>>
> >>> After it integrates it, each business field where "Business section
> >>> to which the authority is transferred with a small headquarters" was
> >>> assumed to be an indicator is reorganized. In a new company, it is
> >>> assumed that HOYA and the brand of Pentax of each business field are
> >>> made the best use of.
> >>>
> >>> In the imaging system fields such as digital cameras and binoculars,
> >>> the imaging business of Pentax is maintained. The differentiation is
> >>> aimed at with the high value-added product, and it specializes in
> >>> the
> >>> field where competitive edge can be demonstrated. The same field is
> >>> aimed at, and moreover, it locates, and the horizontal
> >>> development is
> >>> aimed at with the mother's body that invents a new technology of the
> >>> optical equipment system in the life caring field and the security
> >>> field.
> >>>
> >>> It is assumed that it wants to attempt differentiating by raising
> >>> the
> >>> additional value that demonstrates the strong point of the two
> >>> companies in each field for the intensification of the
> >>> competition by
> >>> the entry of gaining power Asian power and the appliance maker etc.
> >>

Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Michael Perham wrote:

> According to Thom Hogan, who is a Nikon guru, Hoya is a major  
> supplier to
> Nikon.

Correct.  Nikon used to put the BS about making their own glass in  
their ads.  It was never true.  Like most other lens makers they buy  
optical glass as a commodity, and buy from whoever gives them the  
best price.   They may well make some of their own special glass  
types, as do other lens makers.  They used to claim in their ads that  
they made all their own glass, made all their own lenses, made all  
their own cameras, etc.  It was a load of advertising hype hogwash.

Now that they have dropped out of the camera and lens business I  
suppose I no longer have to maintain my silence about seeing Nikon  
zoom lenses coming off a Kyocera assembly line.

I had a nice conversation during one photokina with Mr. Goto, whose  
company (GOKO) was making all of Nikon's point and shoot cameras at  
the time.

Nikon branded lenses have been made by Mamiya, Ricoh, Cosina,  
Kyocera, GOKO, and probably many others over their history.  Oh, and  
for years Mamiya made the camera backs for many Nikon SLR models.

Bob

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Re: RE: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Mark Roberts]

Michael Perham wrote:

>According to Thom Hogan, who is a Nikon guru, Hoya is a major 
>supplier to Nikon.

According to a former Nikon rep I know, who visited the factory in 
Japan, Hoya makes "Nikon" filters. 



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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[graywolf]

One of the things that amuses me is how most people figure this stuff is 
about manufacturing and selling things. No, it is about financial 
maniplations with the intention of large amounts of cash getting stuck 
in your pockets during the transaction. You can believe that the folks 
who engineered this are far wealthier than they were a year ago.

 From what I have seen over the years, merger=marriage, acquisition=rape.



Bob Sullivan wrote:
> This is all financial engineering stuff done by the Mergers &
> Acquisition people.
> They look at the sales/marketing end of the business and say,
> "Wow, Hoya and Pentax have some strengths in the marketplace with buyers."
> Then they look at the the manufacturing/distribution side of the
> business and say,
> "Wow, they could do that a lot cheaper if they consolidated operations."
> So the financial guys 'engineer' a more profitable new enterprise.
> (Sometimes the results workout, sometimes they don't - the M & A
> people get their money up front!)
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On 12/21/06, Bertil Holmberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Pentax is a valuable trademark, and its value is increasing now
>>> with the K-series dslrs.  I do not think they will leave it.
>> More info from DCWatch. Twice as large and much more profitable HOYA
>> is swallowing Pentax but I'm sure they will keep their trade marks.
>> Will this mean HOYA glass in Pentax lenses?
>>
>>
>> Basic agreement for HOYA, Pentax, and business integration
>>
>> The digital camera maintains the imaging business of Pentax.
>>
>> HOYA Ltd. and Pentax Ltd. announced that it basic agreed for the two
>> companies to amalgamate on the 21st and October 1, 2007, and to do
>> the management integration. The surviving company becomes HOYA. The
>> name of the company of a new company is "HOYA Pentax HD (Eitide) Ltd.. "
>>
>> President and Representative Director present Pentax Fumio Urano
>> assumes the position of the new company director chairman and Hiroshi
>> present HOYA representative execution post CEO Suzuki assumes the
>> position of representative execution post CEO respectively. In
>> integration, the common stock 0.158 stocks a common stock stock of
>> Pentax of HOYA are allocated.
>>
>> The two companies assume optics, the image, and the material to be a
>> common technological base by business integration, and aim at the
>> optimization of the business centering on each field of the life
>> care, Optx, the information electronics, the eye caring, and the
>> imaging system. Additionally, earnings to which the information
>> electronics field and the eye caring field are steady are turned on,
>> and it aims at strategic growth in the life caring field. In
>> addition, the business structure is qualitatively converted by the
>> vertical integration, and strengthening competitive edge is aimed at
>> in the Optx field.
>>
>> After it integrates it, each business field where "Business section
>> to which the authority is transferred with a small headquarters" was
>> assumed to be an indicator is reorganized. In a new company, it is
>> assumed that HOYA and the brand of Pentax of each business field are
>> made the best use of.
>>
>> In the imaging system fields such as digital cameras and binoculars,
>> the imaging business of Pentax is maintained. The differentiation is
>> aimed at with the high value-added product, and it specializes in the
>> field where competitive edge can be demonstrated. The same field is
>> aimed at, and moreover, it locates, and the horizontal development is
>> aimed at with the mother's body that invents a new technology of the
>> optical equipment system in the life caring field and the security
>> field.
>>
>> It is assumed that it wants to attempt differentiating by raising the
>> additional value that demonstrates the strong point of the two
>> companies in each field for the intensification of the competition by
>> the entry of gaining power Asian power and the appliance maker etc.
>> in the digital camera field, and centers on the technology in
>> addition to cost competitiveness.
>>
>> In the Optx fields of the optical glass, the lens, and the digital
>> camera module, etc. , the Optx business of HOYA and the optical
>> component business of Pentax are integrated. The material lens, the
>> processing, and the vertical integration to the module are aimed at
>> from the design, cost competitiveness is improved, and the
>> technological development power is strengthened at the same time.
>> Moreover, the competitive edge that can correspond to the industry
>> structure change in the future including Asian power is secured by
>> using HOYA, the manufacturing base of Pentax, and the customer base
>> mutually.
>>
>> In the life caring field such as endoscopes, a medical business of
>> HOYA and the life caring business of Pentax are integrated. The same
>> field is aimed at, and it locates, and consistent development from
>> the diagnosis to treatment is aimed at with the strategic g

Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Mark Roberts]

graywolf wrote:

>One of the things that amuses me is how most people figure this stuff 
is 
>about manufacturing and selling things. No, it is about financial 
>maniplations with the intention of large amounts of cash getting stuck 
>in your pockets during the transaction. You can believe that the folks 
>who engineered this are far wealthier than they were a year ago.

A year ago? Try two days ago ;-)
(Pentax stock jumped 7.5% right after the announcement.)



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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Paul Stenquist]

There is really no such thing as a pure merger. One partner is always  
dominant. Yet many mergers/acquisitions are successful and made with  
the best intentions. And when a product line is strong, it survives.  
Deeper resources can be a plus for a small manufacturer. I see this  
as a very positive step for Pentax. However, short term it will have  
no impact whatsoever. It's far too soon for hand wringing. I'm good  
with my current equipment for the next few years at least. And I hope  
to add some DA* lenses. They're not going away.
Paul
On Dec 22, 2006, at 10:03 AM, graywolf wrote:

> One of the things that amuses me is how most people figure this  
> stuff is
> about manufacturing and selling things. No, it is about financial
> maniplations with the intention of large amounts of cash getting stuck
> in your pockets during the transaction. You can believe that the folks
> who engineered this are far wealthier than they were a year ago.
>
>  From what I have seen over the years, merger=marriage,  
> acquisition=rape.
>
>
>
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
>> This is all financial engineering stuff done by the Mergers &
>> Acquisition people.
>> They look at the sales/marketing end of the business and say,
>> "Wow, Hoya and Pentax have some strengths in the marketplace with  
>> buyers."
>> Then they look at the the manufacturing/distribution side of the
>> business and say,
>> "Wow, they could do that a lot cheaper if they consolidated  
>> operations."
>> So the financial guys 'engineer' a more profitable new enterprise.
>> (Sometimes the results workout, sometimes they don't - the M & A
>> people get their money up front!)
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On 12/21/06, Bertil Holmberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Pentax is a valuable trademark, and its value is increasing now
 with the K-series dslrs.  I do not think they will leave it.
>>> More info from DCWatch. Twice as large and much more profitable HOYA
>>> is swallowing Pentax but I'm sure they will keep their trade marks.
>>> Will this mean HOYA glass in Pentax lenses?
>>>
>>>
>>> Basic agreement for HOYA, Pentax, and business integration
>>>
>>> The digital camera maintains the imaging business of Pentax.
>>>
>>> HOYA Ltd. and Pentax Ltd. announced that it basic agreed for the two
>>> companies to amalgamate on the 21st and October 1, 2007, and to do
>>> the management integration. The surviving company becomes HOYA. The
>>> name of the company of a new company is "HOYA Pentax HD (Eitide)  
>>> Ltd.. "
>>>
>>> President and Representative Director present Pentax Fumio Urano
>>> assumes the position of the new company director chairman and  
>>> Hiroshi
>>> present HOYA representative execution post CEO Suzuki assumes the
>>> position of representative execution post CEO respectively. In
>>> integration, the common stock 0.158 stocks a common stock stock of
>>> Pentax of HOYA are allocated.
>>>
>>> The two companies assume optics, the image, and the material to be a
>>> common technological base by business integration, and aim at the
>>> optimization of the business centering on each field of the life
>>> care, Optx, the information electronics, the eye caring, and the
>>> imaging system. Additionally, earnings to which the information
>>> electronics field and the eye caring field are steady are turned on,
>>> and it aims at strategic growth in the life caring field. In
>>> addition, the business structure is qualitatively converted by the
>>> vertical integration, and strengthening competitive edge is aimed at
>>> in the Optx field.
>>>
>>> After it integrates it, each business field where "Business section
>>> to which the authority is transferred with a small headquarters" was
>>> assumed to be an indicator is reorganized. In a new company, it is
>>> assumed that HOYA and the brand of Pentax of each business field are
>>> made the best use of.
>>>
>>> In the imaging system fields such as digital cameras and binoculars,
>>> the imaging business of Pentax is maintained. The differentiation is
>>> aimed at with the high value-added product, and it specializes in  
>>> the
>>> field where competitive edge can be demonstrated. The same field is
>>> aimed at, and moreover, it locates, and the horizontal  
>>> development is
>>> aimed at with the mother's body that invents a new technology of the
>>> optical equipment system in the life caring field and the security
>>> field.
>>>
>>> It is assumed that it wants to attempt differentiating by raising  
>>> the
>>> additional value that demonstrates the strong point of the two
>>> companies in each field for the intensification of the  
>>> competition by
>>> the entry of gaining power Asian power and the appliance maker etc.
>>> in the digital camera field, and centers on the technology in
>>> addition to cost competitiveness.
>>>
>>> In the Optx fields of the optical glass, the lens, and the digital
>>> camera module, etc. , the Optx business of HOYA and the optical
>>> component business of Pentax are in

RE: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Michael Perham]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Adam
Maas
Sent: December 21, 2006 10:18 AM
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IIRC Canon does use someone elses glass, but Nikon makes its own (It's
one of Hoya's competitors IIRC)

According to Thom Hogan, who is a Nikon guru, Hoya is a major supplier to
Nikon.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Bob Sullivan]

This is all financial engineering stuff done by the Mergers &
Acquisition people.
They look at the sales/marketing end of the business and say,
"Wow, Hoya and Pentax have some strengths in the marketplace with buyers."
Then they look at the the manufacturing/distribution side of the
business and say,
"Wow, they could do that a lot cheaper if they consolidated operations."
So the financial guys 'engineer' a more profitable new enterprise.
(Sometimes the results workout, sometimes they don't - the M & A
people get their money up front!)
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/21/06, Bertil Holmberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Pentax is a valuable trademark, and its value is increasing now
> > with the K-series dslrs.  I do not think they will leave it.
>
> More info from DCWatch. Twice as large and much more profitable HOYA
> is swallowing Pentax but I'm sure they will keep their trade marks.
> Will this mean HOYA glass in Pentax lenses?
>
>
> Basic agreement for HOYA, Pentax, and business integration
>
> The digital camera maintains the imaging business of Pentax.
>
> HOYA Ltd. and Pentax Ltd. announced that it basic agreed for the two
> companies to amalgamate on the 21st and October 1, 2007, and to do
> the management integration. The surviving company becomes HOYA. The
> name of the company of a new company is "HOYA Pentax HD (Eitide) Ltd.. "
>
> President and Representative Director present Pentax Fumio Urano
> assumes the position of the new company director chairman and Hiroshi
> present HOYA representative execution post CEO Suzuki assumes the
> position of representative execution post CEO respectively. In
> integration, the common stock 0.158 stocks a common stock stock of
> Pentax of HOYA are allocated.
>
> The two companies assume optics, the image, and the material to be a
> common technological base by business integration, and aim at the
> optimization of the business centering on each field of the life
> care, Optx, the information electronics, the eye caring, and the
> imaging system. Additionally, earnings to which the information
> electronics field and the eye caring field are steady are turned on,
> and it aims at strategic growth in the life caring field. In
> addition, the business structure is qualitatively converted by the
> vertical integration, and strengthening competitive edge is aimed at
> in the Optx field.
>
> After it integrates it, each business field where "Business section
> to which the authority is transferred with a small headquarters" was
> assumed to be an indicator is reorganized. In a new company, it is
> assumed that HOYA and the brand of Pentax of each business field are
> made the best use of.
>
> In the imaging system fields such as digital cameras and binoculars,
> the imaging business of Pentax is maintained. The differentiation is
> aimed at with the high value-added product, and it specializes in the
> field where competitive edge can be demonstrated. The same field is
> aimed at, and moreover, it locates, and the horizontal development is
> aimed at with the mother's body that invents a new technology of the
> optical equipment system in the life caring field and the security
> field.
>
> It is assumed that it wants to attempt differentiating by raising the
> additional value that demonstrates the strong point of the two
> companies in each field for the intensification of the competition by
> the entry of gaining power Asian power and the appliance maker etc.
> in the digital camera field, and centers on the technology in
> addition to cost competitiveness.
>
> In the Optx fields of the optical glass, the lens, and the digital
> camera module, etc. , the Optx business of HOYA and the optical
> component business of Pentax are integrated. The material lens, the
> processing, and the vertical integration to the module are aimed at
> from the design, cost competitiveness is improved, and the
> technological development power is strengthened at the same time.
> Moreover, the competitive edge that can correspond to the industry
> structure change in the future including Asian power is secured by
> using HOYA, the manufacturing base of Pentax, and the customer base
> mutually.
>
> In the life caring field such as endoscopes, a medical business of
> HOYA and the life caring business of Pentax are integrated. The same
> field is aimed at, and it locates, and consistent development from
> the diagnosis to treatment is aimed at with the strategic growth
> field. Moreover, it aims at doubling the business scale by expanding
> the improvement of the product development power by the research and
> development investment and M&A and business and the marketing body
> poses.
>
> The information electronics field such as the glass magnetic disks
> separates the Optx business from the electro Optx field of HOYA. It
> enhances competitiveness as a center business of the earning power
> after it integrates it and growth is aimed at.
>
> The eye caring field of glasses and the contact lens

Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[David Savage]

On 12/22/06, Michel Carrère-Gée <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joseph Tainter a écrit :
> > I vote for Ho-Tax.  Just because.
> >
>
> Hot Tax ??, no!.
>
> I vote for Low Tax   :-D

I don't think Lowepro is involved in the merger.

:-)

Dave

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Michel Carrère-Gée]

Joseph Tainter a écrit :
> I vote for Ho-Tax.  Just because.
>   

Hot Tax ??, no!.

I vote for Low Tax   :-D


Michel


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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Digital Image Studio]

On 22/12/06, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think the Samsung collaboration was to insulate Pentax from possible
> complications from Sony's acquisition of Konica-Minolta's DSLR line. Not
> a good thing to be dependent on a competitor as the sole source for your
> imaging chips.
>
> My understanding was that Samsung was supposed to be working on Pentax's
> next generation imaging chips and Pentax was to contribute camera
> experience & optical know-how.

I doubt it very much, Samsung has very little expertise in the area of
high quality CCD imaging and it's not the kind of technological
knowhow and manufacture that you can simply acquire over a couple of
years. In any case it's apparent that Pentax and Samsung used Sony
sensors and if rumors are true the 645D is based around the Kodak line
of sensors so they were hardly beholden to one manufacturer. In any
case whether this new deal is a merger or takeover of of Hoyas primary
business associates is Sony so I'd be surprised if the Samsung
association didn't just frizzle out over the next few years. Either
that or Samsung will buy Hotax.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Kenneth Waller]

I kinda like PenYa although HoPen has some merits.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Pentax and HOYA merging


>I vote for Ho-Tax.  Just because.
> 
> David Savage wrote:
>> So will new cameras be badged "PentHo" or "HoTax" ?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 12/21/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
>>> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
>>> material to camera and optical products.
>>> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>
>>   
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

On 21.12.06, at 19:17 , Adam Maas wrote:

> IIRC Canon does use someone elses glass, but Nikon makes its own (It's
> one of Hoya's competitors IIRC)
Nikon has always been using glass from... Asahi Glass. Both Nikon and  
Asahi Glass are part of Mitsubishi Corporation ;-)
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 21, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> I vote for Ho-Tax.  Just because.

How about Pentoya?  Sounds like an ingredient in a tex-mex dinner.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[John Sessoms]

From:
Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Ken,
>
> Could you elaborate on this.  Does it mean that Pentax will use Hoya
> branded lenses, or that Pentax will use Hoya glass in their Pentax 
> branded
> lenses, or perhaps something else?
>
> Shel
>
> -
>
> I'll bet that Pentax has been using Hoya glass all along. As I 
> understand it, most lens manufacturers use Hoya glass.
>
> Joe 

Pentax branded lenses using Hoya glass, perhaps costing less because 
Pentax will be getting their glass "in house" after the merger, and more 
cooperative developments like the joint Pentax/Tokina 10 - 17mm fisheye.

The two Tokina lenses I have are very good, they've worked well with 
both my *ist-D and PZ-1P and I couldn't afford the equivalent Pentax 
lenses. But there are some other Tokina lenses I wanted that neither 
have a Pentax equivalent nor are available in Pentax mount.

What I'd really like to see from Pentax is a digital LX with 
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Bob Shell]

They do.  Every lens maker probably uses some Hoya glass.

Bob

On Dec 21, 2006, at 12:43 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> Pentax already probably uses Hoya glass blanks to make their Pentax
> branded lenses.
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Could you elaborate on this.  Does it mean that Pentax will use Hoya
>> branded lenses, or that Pentax will use Hoya glass in their Pentax  
>> branded
>> lenses, or perhaps something else?
>>
>> Shel


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[Joseph Tainter]

I vote for Ho-Tax.  Just because.

David Savage wrote:
 > So will new cameras be badged "PentHo" or "HoTax" ?

-

The next model of camera should be the Hotax Penya D. It's at least as 
good a name as *ist.

For my near-term planning, I am more concerned about sensor size than 
about corporate mergers. A full-frame DSLR? Should I buy the DA* 16-50 
F2.8 or not? I have kept all of my 35 mm. lenses that were worth keeping.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Joseph Tainter]

When Pentax discontinued the FA lenses, I thought "Oh, great. It took 
them from 1987 to 2000 to bring out a full line of autofocus lenses. How 
  long will it take them to bring out a full line of digital lenses?"

Then Pentax surprised me by a very aggressive rate of new lens 
introductions. I hadn't known that Pentax was capable of this.

Now I wonder if there was already support from Hoya for the development 
of the DA line of lenses. The collaboration with Tokina indicates that 
this merger has been under discussion for some time.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Joseph Tainter]

Ken,

Could you elaborate on this.  Does it mean that Pentax will use Hoya
branded lenses, or that Pentax will use Hoya glass in their Pentax branded
lenses, or perhaps something else?

Shel

-

I'll bet that Pentax has been using Hoya glass all along. As I 
understand it, most lens manufacturers use Hoya glass.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Adam Maas]

K.Takeshita wrote:
> On 12/21/06 12:43 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Pentax already probably uses Hoya glass blanks to make their Pentax
>> branded lenses.
> 
> There aren't many suppliers of glass ingot and other optical materials in
> the world.
> I would assume that most lens makers including C/N are getting glass
> materials from Hoya (I am not sure about Canon as they may still have glass
> foundry somewhere).
> Minolta and Pentax used to have glass foundries too.
> 
> Ken
>
IIRC Canon does use someone elses glass, but Nikon makes its own (It's 
one of Hoya's competitors IIRC)

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[P. J. Alling]

Pentax already probably uses Hoya glass blanks to make their Pentax 
branded lenses.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Could you elaborate on this.  Does it mean that Pentax will use Hoya
> branded lenses, or that Pentax will use Hoya glass in their Pentax branded
> lenses, or perhaps something else?
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>   
>> [Original Message]
>> From: K.Takeshita 
>> 
>
>   
>> http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/PentaxHoya.html
>> 
>
>
>
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/21/06 11:56 AM, "Shel Belinkoff", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Could you elaborate on this.  Does it mean that Pentax will use Hoya
> branded lenses, or that Pentax will use Hoya glass in their Pentax branded
> lenses, or perhaps something else?

Oh, I think you are referring to spectacle glasses.  Both Hoya and Pentax
have been branding their spectacle glasses under their respective name
(Pentax were probably using Hoya material anyway, but with different coating
etc).
Now that they have merged, they had to split the branding.  Hoya on
spectacle glasses and Pentax continues for their lenses.  That's what I
understand.  Sorry for the confusion by my Q/D translations.
Pentax brand for camera/lenses is too precious to drop for either companies.

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[Jack Davis]

If this Pentax 'absorption' comes to pass, my hope is that any
telaconverters the two should produce, will be designed and engineered
by Pentax.

Jack
--- John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >
> > On 12/21/06 2:20 AM, "Michel Carrère-Gée",
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> > Hoya isn't  Tokina brand, or Tokina isn't Hoya brand ?
> >> 
> >
> > Both Tokina and Kenko are under Hoya.
> > Hoya is becoming a true optical congromerate.
> >
> > Ken
> 
> That makes sense of something I read recently about Tokina's new 10 -
> 17 
> fisheye zoom being a joint development with Pentax. They're
> apparently 
> the same lens  mounted in different barrels.
> 
> I would hope this means that some of Tokina's more desirable lenses
> will 
> be available in PKAF mount. It's always seemed kind of stupid to me
> that 
> lenses would be available in Nikon, Canon and Minolta mounts, but not
> 
> Pentax, especially since I think Pentax had slightly greater market 
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/21/06 12:43 PM, "P. J. Alling", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pentax already probably uses Hoya glass blanks to make their Pentax
> branded lenses.

There aren't many suppliers of glass ingot and other optical materials in
the world.
I would assume that most lens makers including C/N are getting glass
materials from Hoya (I am not sure about Canon as they may still have glass
foundry somewhere).
Minolta and Pentax used to have glass foundries too.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[John Sessoms]

> On 21/12/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 21/12/06, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> >October 1, 2007.
>> >Hoya issued a press release and while it says an equal partnering, 
>> actual
>> >merge format is consulted by UBS Security and Morgan Stanley, taking 
>> a form
>> >of Pentax consolidated into Hoya.
>> >It also appears that medical-optics business of both companies was 
>> part of
>> >the synergy they are aiming for.  I also noted that both companies 
>> share two
>> >trust banks as majority shareholders.
>>
>> Where does that leave Samsung?
>
> As no more than a collaborator I suspect, I couldn't see it working
> nor the advantage to Pentax from the moment it was announced. The Hoya
> deal seems promising on the surface and is likely a far better
> direction for Pentax to be heading.
>
> -- 
> Rob Studdert 

I think the Samsung collaboration was to insulate Pentax from possible 
complications from Sony's acquisition of Konica-Minolta's DSLR line. Not 
a good thing to be dependent on a competitor as the sole source for your 
imaging chips.

My understanding was that Samsung was supposed to be working on Pentax's 
next generation imaging chips and Pentax was to contribute camera 
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Shel Belinkoff]

Ken,

Could you elaborate on this.  Does it mean that Pentax will use Hoya
branded lenses, or that Pentax will use Hoya glass in their Pentax branded
lenses, or perhaps something else?

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: K.Takeshita 

> http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/PentaxHoya.html



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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Shel Belinkoff]

I wonder what this would do to the availability of Tokina lenses for other
camera bodies.  Probably little or nothing, but it may be worth some
speculation ;-))

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: John Sessoms 

> I would hope this means that some of Tokina's more desirable lenses will 
> be available in PKAF mount. It's always seemed kind of stupid to me that 
> lenses would be available in Nikon, Canon and Minolta mounts, but not 
> Pentax, especially since I think Pentax had slightly greater market 
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[P. J. Alling]

Probably.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Don't they have a Ho-Tax in Nevada?
> On Dec 21, 2006, at 10:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>   
>> I vote for Ho-Tax.  Just because.
>>
>> David Savage wrote:
>> 
>>> So will new cameras be badged "PentHo" or "HoTax" ?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 12/21/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
 merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
 material to camera and optical products.
 A big surprise.  No further detail yet.

 Ken

 
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[John Sessoms]

>
> On 12/21/06 2:20 AM, "Michel Carrère-Gée", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> > Hoya isn't  Tokina brand, or Tokina isn't Hoya brand ?
>> 
>
> Both Tokina and Kenko are under Hoya.
> Hoya is becoming a true optical congromerate.
>
> Ken

That makes sense of something I read recently about Tokina's new 10 - 17 
fisheye zoom being a joint development with Pentax. They're apparently 
the same lens  mounted in different barrels.

I would hope this means that some of Tokina's more desirable lenses will 
be available in PKAF mount. It's always seemed kind of stupid to me that 
lenses would be available in Nikon, Canon and Minolta mounts, but not 
Pentax, especially since I think Pentax had slightly greater market 
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Jack Davis]

Not if you have a resale license...rim shot!! ;-}}

Jack
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Don't they have a Ho-Tax in Nevada?
> On Dec 21, 2006, at 10:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> 
> > I vote for Ho-Tax.  Just because.
> >
> > David Savage wrote:
> >> So will new cameras be badged "PentHo" or "HoTax" ?
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On 12/21/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya
> are
> >>> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing
> glass
> >>> material to camera and optical products.
> >>> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
> >>>
> >>> Ken
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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[Paul Stenquist]

Don't they have a Ho-Tax in Nevada?
On Dec 21, 2006, at 10:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> I vote for Ho-Tax.  Just because.
>
> David Savage wrote:
>> So will new cameras be badged "PentHo" or "HoTax" ?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 12/21/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
>>> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
>>> material to camera and optical products.
>>> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Mark Roberts wrote:

> I wonder if Hoya's "HMC" filters will now get the Pentax SMC treatment.

Maybe the super HMC (or whatever they call them).

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I vote for Ho-Tax.  Just because.

David Savage wrote:
> So will new cameras be badged "PentHo" or "HoTax" ?
>
> Dave
>
> On 12/21/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
>> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
>> material to camera and optical products.
>> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
>>
>> Ken
>> 
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[P. J. Alling]

Manufacturing/Marketing Electronics, (including K mount cameras as long 
a Pentax does I would guess).

Cotty wrote:
> On 21/12/06, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>> October 1, 2007.
>> Hoya issued a press release and while it says an equal partnering, actual
>> merge format is consulted by UBS Security and Morgan Stanley, taking a form
>> of Pentax consolidated into Hoya.
>> It also appears that medical-optics business of both companies was part of
>> the synergy they are aiming for.  I also noted that both companies share two
>> trust banks as majority shareholders.
>> 
>
> Where does that leave Samsung?
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

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I wonder if Hoya's "HMC" filters will now get the Pentax SMC treatment.
*That* would be nice!


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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging/Tidbits

[K.Takeshita]

http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/PentaxHoya.html

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Tom Simpson]

My thought is that this new conglomerate still does not have a 
"household name" consumer electronics component, which is one of the 
main things that Samsung brings to the table. I still see the 
Pentax-Samsung synergy thing as being very important to the future of 
Pentax products.

-Tom

John Celio wrote:
>>> October 1, 2007.
>>> Hoya issued a press release and while it says an equal partnering, actual
>>> merge format is consulted by UBS Security and Morgan Stanley, taking a 
>>> form
>>> of Pentax consolidated into Hoya.
>>> It also appears that medical-optics business of both companies was part of
>>> the synergy they are aiming for.  I also noted that both companies share 
>>> two
>>> trust banks as majority shareholders.
>>>   
>> Where does that leave Samsung?
>> 
>
> As far as I can remember from Hoya's dealer catalogs, none of their 
> companies make dSLRs, so the partnership with Samsung wouldn't be a threat 
> to them.  I don't think Samsung camera fans have anything to worry about.
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Bertil Holmberg]

> Pentax is a valuable trademark, and its value is increasing now  
> with the K-series dslrs.  I do not think they will leave it.

More info from DCWatch. Twice as large and much more profitable HOYA  
is swallowing Pentax but I'm sure they will keep their trade marks.  
Will this mean HOYA glass in Pentax lenses?


Basic agreement for HOYA, Pentax, and business integration

The digital camera maintains the imaging business of Pentax.

HOYA Ltd. and Pentax Ltd. announced that it basic agreed for the two  
companies to amalgamate on the 21st and October 1, 2007, and to do  
the management integration. The surviving company becomes HOYA. The  
name of the company of a new company is "HOYA Pentax HD (Eitide) Ltd.. "

President and Representative Director present Pentax Fumio Urano  
assumes the position of the new company director chairman and Hiroshi  
present HOYA representative execution post CEO Suzuki assumes the  
position of representative execution post CEO respectively. In  
integration, the common stock 0.158 stocks a common stock stock of  
Pentax of HOYA are allocated.

The two companies assume optics, the image, and the material to be a  
common technological base by business integration, and aim at the  
optimization of the business centering on each field of the life  
care, Optx, the information electronics, the eye caring, and the  
imaging system. Additionally, earnings to which the information  
electronics field and the eye caring field are steady are turned on,  
and it aims at strategic growth in the life caring field. In  
addition, the business structure is qualitatively converted by the  
vertical integration, and strengthening competitive edge is aimed at  
in the Optx field.

After it integrates it, each business field where "Business section  
to which the authority is transferred with a small headquarters" was  
assumed to be an indicator is reorganized. In a new company, it is  
assumed that HOYA and the brand of Pentax of each business field are  
made the best use of.

In the imaging system fields such as digital cameras and binoculars,  
the imaging business of Pentax is maintained. The differentiation is  
aimed at with the high value-added product, and it specializes in the  
field where competitive edge can be demonstrated. The same field is  
aimed at, and moreover, it locates, and the horizontal development is  
aimed at with the mother's body that invents a new technology of the  
optical equipment system in the life caring field and the security  
field.

It is assumed that it wants to attempt differentiating by raising the  
additional value that demonstrates the strong point of the two  
companies in each field for the intensification of the competition by  
the entry of gaining power Asian power and the appliance maker etc.  
in the digital camera field, and centers on the technology in  
addition to cost competitiveness.

In the Optx fields of the optical glass, the lens, and the digital  
camera module, etc. , the Optx business of HOYA and the optical  
component business of Pentax are integrated. The material lens, the  
processing, and the vertical integration to the module are aimed at  
from the design, cost competitiveness is improved, and the  
technological development power is strengthened at the same time.  
Moreover, the competitive edge that can correspond to the industry  
structure change in the future including Asian power is secured by  
using HOYA, the manufacturing base of Pentax, and the customer base  
mutually.

In the life caring field such as endoscopes, a medical business of  
HOYA and the life caring business of Pentax are integrated. The same  
field is aimed at, and it locates, and consistent development from  
the diagnosis to treatment is aimed at with the strategic growth  
field. Moreover, it aims at doubling the business scale by expanding  
the improvement of the product development power by the research and  
development investment and M&A and business and the marketing body  
poses.

The information electronics field such as the glass magnetic disks  
separates the Optx business from the electro Optx field of HOYA. It  
enhances competitiveness as a center business of the earning power  
after it integrates it and growth is aimed at.

The eye caring field of glasses and the contact lens separates a  
medical business from the eye caring field of HOYA. It aims at the  
information electronics field and a center business and the location  
growth that queues up from can the expectation of stable growth.

In other fields, the business of the two companies is maintained. The  
research and development section unites the R&D center of HOYA and  
the research and development headquarters of Pentax as a Corporate  
section. It improves the efficiency of the business selecting and  
intensively in the new field such as the measurement equipment where  
earnings or more are expected in the future while invested positively.

The two compani

Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Bertil Holmberg]

>> Where does that leave Samsung?

It was mentioned at [the end of] the press conference:

The press conference concerning HOYA and Pentax and the amalgamation  
is held.

CEO Suzuki of HOYA and president Urano of Pentax from the left
HOYA Ltd. and Pentax Ltd. held the press conference concerning  
business integration in Tokyo on the 21st. The president of the two  
companies attended the interview, and it explained the purpose and  
details of the amalgamation.

The two companies reached the basic agreement by amalgamating dated  
October 1, 2007 on the same day. The surviving company is HOYA. The  
name of the company of a new company becomes HOYA Pentax HD (Eitide)  
Ltd..

First of all, representative Hiroshi Suzuki execution post CEO of  
HOYA talked about the reason for integration in the interview. HOYA  
and Pentax are developing the two companies besides the common  
feature "Optics" and a medical business. President Suzuki : to  
Pentax. ｢It was felt that Medical was able to be attractive, and to  
offer the growth acceleration of the business by integration. Our  
resource is used and developed. ｣It solved and the ambition was  
described. The target of a medical business is assumed to be "About  
present twice".

President Fumio Urano of Pentax also｢It is medical that the rate of  
profit is the highest among our businesses. However, about 30% and  
ratios of all businesses are low now. It takes time though there was  
always a desire that it wants to hasten the growth of medical. It is  
expected that it is felt that it is a story that may hear this story,  
and leads to the step-up. I want to do Medical to the same degree of  
the scale as the digital camera. ｣It talked.

Moreover, Mr. Suzuki :. ｢It is a situation for which it competes  
with China and a Taiwanese manufacturer though our company is doing  
the material supply and the processing of the optical glass. If the  
designs of Pentax can be integrated and the knowhow of assembly be  
integrated vertically｣､It is described, "Pentax is a company with  
steady R&D and technology" etc. , and Pentax as the manufacturer also  
is evaluating it.

The talk advanced in the story of integration after it had gone out  
in the seat of the meal two years ago, and this year came. It is  
October to have shown the concrete progress. It is said that the  
appeal is from HOYA.

Suzuki and Urano's both mens clarified the activities after it had  
integrated it. Mr. Urano｢HOYA of glasses,  
Camera..Pentax..brand..name..agree.The image cultivated for years is  
strong. However, whether it keeps using a past name over time is not  
understood. ｣Continuing now of the Pentax brand is promised. On the  
other hand, Mr. Suzuki showed that now, there was no big  
conformational change about the explanation and this business ,  
saying that "To function as a standalone, the digital camera is set  
up under the headquarters function by the one set though medical and  
optical of Pentax were integrated with our company".

Moreover, Mr. Suzuki : the digital camera market. ｢It is  
competitive, and a low-priced competition seems to make a tour, and  
to have converted the structure in the last few years though thought  
that it is none of markets that make a profit. Especially, I want to  
expect it of gaining power a digital single lens reflex camera. It is  
not actually so though a compact digital camera also saw one o'clock  
as a low-priced product made of foreign countries carries everything  
before one. The market environment has changed. ｣､｢It is not a  
business that puts out the amount, and chases the share. It is a  
business that can make Kiratsu and the shining one. ｣It solved and  
the impression was described.

President Urano also receives it. ｢The share of present Pentax is  
the eighth. It is not possible to compete by the share. Then, the  
resource becomes a single lens reflex. It is not possible to do with  
a single lens reflex alone because the market scale is still small,  
and in either, there can be business development only with the single  
lens reflex camera, too. The single lens reflex also is a pioneer our  
company, and has the time that had been done only with the single  
lens reflex for 30 years. ｣It solved and confidence was shown.

Pentax is a joint development of a South Korea Samsung Techwin and  
digital single lens reflex camera and exists in affiliations now. Mr.  
Urano : about the relation of the future to Samsung Techwin. ｢It is  
not different from the current. I want to continue as it is. ｣It  
made, and it touched as an excellent relation example about digital  
single lens reflex camera "K10D" put on the market on November 30  
that was concluding successfully. It is said that the development  
ratio of K10D will become Pentax 70-80% and Samsung Techwin 20-30% by  
"Our company is 90%, and Samusung Techwin is 10%" in the product of  
the following phase. Mr. Urano expressed, "When it was able also to  
advance to 

Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Brian Walters]

"HOYA and PENTAX will vertically integrate the design, materials, lenses, 
processing and module groups in the optics area, which is expected to lead to 
qualitative structural reform."


I think that's English - I recognise some of the words


Cheers

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> http://www.hoya.co.jp/data/current/newsobj-368-pdf.pdf
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[Digital Image Studio]

On 21/12/06, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.hoya.co.jp/data/current/newsobj-368-pdf.pdf

Very interesting, note in the table "13. Overview of the Integrating
Companies (as of September 30, 2006, non consolidated basis)" under
the heading "Major Business Partners" the two companies named
alliances.

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[Thibouille]

They will not, please read the press release !

2006/12/21, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Pentax is a valuable trademark, and its value is increasing now with the 
> K-series dslrs.  I do not think they will leave it.
>
> DagT
>
> > Fra: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> > So will new cameras be badged "PentHo" or "HoTax" ?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On 12/21/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
> > > merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
> > > material to camera and optical products.
> > > A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
> > >
> > > Ken
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[DagT]

Pentax is a valuable trademark, and its value is increasing now with the 
K-series dslrs.  I do not think they will leave it.

DagT
 
> Fra: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 
> So will new cameras be badged "PentHo" or "HoTax" ?
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 12/21/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
> > merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
> > material to camera and optical products.
> > A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
> >
> > Ken



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[David Savage]

So will new cameras be badged "PentHo" or "HoTax" ?

Dave

On 12/21/06, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
> material to camera and optical products.
> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
>
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[Digital Image Studio]

On 21/12/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 21/12/06, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >October 1, 2007.
> >Hoya issued a press release and while it says an equal partnering, actual
> >merge format is consulted by UBS Security and Morgan Stanley, taking a form
> >of Pentax consolidated into Hoya.
> >It also appears that medical-optics business of both companies was part of
> >the synergy they are aiming for.  I also noted that both companies share two
> >trust banks as majority shareholders.
>
> Where does that leave Samsung?

As no more than a collaborator I suspect, I couldn't see it working
nor the advantage to Pentax from the moment it was announced. The Hoya
deal seems promising on the surface and is likely a far better
direction for Pentax to be heading.

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[Dario Bonazza]

http://www.hoya.co.jp/data/current/newsobj-368-pdf.pdf

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Pentax and HOYA merging


> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
> material to camera and optical products.
> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
> 
> Ken
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[John Celio]

>>October 1, 2007.
>>Hoya issued a press release and while it says an equal partnering, actual
>>merge format is consulted by UBS Security and Morgan Stanley, taking a 
>>form
>>of Pentax consolidated into Hoya.
>>It also appears that medical-optics business of both companies was part of
>>the synergy they are aiming for.  I also noted that both companies share 
>>two
>>trust banks as majority shareholders.
>
> Where does that leave Samsung?

As far as I can remember from Hoya's dealer catalogs, none of their 
companies make dSLRs, so the partnership with Samsung wouldn't be a threat 
to them.  I don't think Samsung camera fans have anything to worry about.

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[John Celio]

> Name of new company is Hoya pentax HD Corporation and scheduled to merge 
> on
> October 1, 2007.

Very interesting, and very unexpected.  Could be good, could be bad.  It's 
almost not worth speculating, since the merger won't happen for nearly a 
year, and whatever fruits are produced from that seed won't ripen for a 
while after that.

As long as Hoya doesn't fuck with Pentax's new-found momentum, I'll be 
happy.  :)

John
(...puts on his raincoat for the coming storm of "Pentax is doomed!" 
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[Cotty]

On 21/12/06, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed:

>October 1, 2007.
>Hoya issued a press release and while it says an equal partnering, actual
>merge format is consulted by UBS Security and Morgan Stanley, taking a form
>of Pentax consolidated into Hoya.
>It also appears that medical-optics business of both companies was part of
>the synergy they are aiming for.  I also noted that both companies share two
>trust banks as majority shareholders.

Where does that leave Samsung?

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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/21/06 1:59 AM, "K.Takeshita", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are merging,
> becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass material to camera
> and optical products.

Name of new company is Hoya pentax HD Corporation and scheduled to merge on
October 1, 2007.
Hoya issued a press release and while it says an equal partnering, actual
merge format is consulted by UBS Security and Morgan Stanley, taking a form
of Pentax consolidated into Hoya.
It also appears that medical-optics business of both companies was part of
the synergy they are aiming for.  I also noted that both companies share two
trust banks as majority shareholders.

Interesting optical conglomerate.

At least sky won't fall on Pentax and hope they will continue to produce
innovative camera/lens products.

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[Thibouille]

Mmmm VERY interesting IMO

2006/12/21, K.Takeshita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
> material to camera and optical products.
> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
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Re: Pentax and HOYA merging

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/21/06 2:20 AM, "Michel Carrère-Gée", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hoya isn't  Tokina brand, or Tokina isn't Hoya brand ?

Both Tokina and Kenko are under Hoya.
Hoya is becoming a true optical congromerate.

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[Michel Carrère-Gée]

K.Takeshita a écrit :
> Nikkei (Japanese equiv of WSJ) is reporting that Pentax and Hoya are
> merging, becoming a large concern of $5B, capable of producing glass
> material to camera and optical products.
> A big surprise.  No further detail yet.
>   

Hoya isn't  Tokina brand, or Tokina isn't Hoya brand ?

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