Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[P. J. Alling]

Well, you can recombine the Jpegs into a short movie...

Adam Maas wrote:
> On 1/24/08, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> On 23/01/08, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> 
>>> Didn't they notice that 20fps 1.8megapixel option?  They don't even
>>> mention it.  Or was that something I dreamed earlier today?
>>>   
>> "We'd be willing to trade about half the resolution for a
>> doubled six-frame per second high-speed burst mode"
>>
>> 1.8 MP is not what they wanted.
>>
>> I confess I am at a loss as to 20 fps.
>>
>> 10 at say 4 MP I could understand. It must be a logistical problem.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Cotty
>>
>> 
>
> I'm almsot positive the 20fps burst mode is nothing more than somebody
> getting the bright idea of hooking up the Live View feed to the JPEG
> engine. Useless in real life.
>
>   


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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[David J Brooks]

On Jan 24, 2008 1:05 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/24/08, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thibouille wrote:
> >
> > >They advertise 230.000 but it seems Pentax doesn't count the same way
> > >as others so we'll have to wait for reviews or first hand experience
> > >to know exactly.
> >
> > There's been a bit of controversy with counting pixels on LCD's because
> > they're like sensors in that each point is either red, green or blue.
> > To display a single color pixel from an image file you use three pixels
> > on the rear-panel LCD.
> >
> > So when you give the pixel count of your rear-panel LCD, do you specify
> > the number of hardware pixels in the display itself, or the number of
> > image pixels that get displayed? The former number is much larger than
> > the latter so that's the one the marketing guys gravitate towards :)
> >
>
> The issue is that it's normally 3 dots per pixel with each dot being
> an individual colour, and the display is 230k dots. But the fine print
> says 3 pixels per dot for some reason, leading some to conclude that
> those are full colour dots.

In survey terms its yeh by yeh.

Dave
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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Adam Maas]

On 1/24/08, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thibouille wrote:
>
> >They advertise 230.000 but it seems Pentax doesn't count the same way
> >as others so we'll have to wait for reviews or first hand experience
> >to know exactly.
>
> There's been a bit of controversy with counting pixels on LCD's because
> they're like sensors in that each point is either red, green or blue.
> To display a single color pixel from an image file you use three pixels
> on the rear-panel LCD.
>
> So when you give the pixel count of your rear-panel LCD, do you specify
> the number of hardware pixels in the display itself, or the number of
> image pixels that get displayed? The former number is much larger than
> the latter so that's the one the marketing guys gravitate towards :)
>

The issue is that it's normally 3 dots per pixel with each dot being
an individual colour, and the display is 230k dots. But the fine print
says 3 pixels per dot for some reason, leading some to conclude that
those are full colour dots.

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Bob Sullivan]

Thibouille,
We take the pictures and let the others whine!
Regards, Bob S.

On Jan 24, 2008 11:08 AM, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course some do whine and claim ..."it is not and blabla anyway the
> K20D isn't even a 1Dmkxvi at US$300 so that's too bad Pentax did a big
> mistake that camera is too slow it is very bad"

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Thibouille]

Yeah I know ;)

It seems Pentax indeed communicates in pixel sizes when the others
give points (3 times more). Some comments do also point to a high-res
screen so I suppose it is indeed a high res one.

Of course some do whine and claim ..."it is not and blabla anyway the
K20D isn't even a 1Dmkxvi at US$300 so that's too bad Pentax did a big
mistake that camera is too slow it is very bad"

... well humanity :(

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Jack Davis]

I agree! Have to admit, as much as it offers, I'm a bit disappointed
there isn't a 5-6 fps burst rate option at a practical file size. RATS!

Jack
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> On 1/23/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Perry Pellechia"
> >
> >
> > > More good press (some negative) for Pentax:
> > >
> > > http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/5049/first-look-pentax-k20d.html
> >
> > Apparently, I won't have to buy a new battery grip, and it has a PC
> socket.
> > Thank you Pentax
> > It looks like they've changed the battery though. I might have some
> K10
> > batteries for sale in a few months...
> >
> > I bet there's no aperture simulator though.
> >
> > William Robb
> >
> 
> Nope, the D-Li50 is the same NP400 clone the K10D uses. And no, the
> aperture simulator did not make the cut.
> 
> Overall I'm liking it, although I could do without the 1.6MP 20fps
> 'burst' mode (which I suspect is nothing more than hooking the Live
> View up to the JPEG engine).
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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Mark Roberts]

Thibouille wrote:

>They advertise 230.000 but it seems Pentax doesn't count the same way
>as others so we'll have to wait for reviews or first hand experience
>to know exactly.

There's been a bit of controversy with counting pixels on LCD's because 
they're like sensors in that each point is either red, green or blue. 
To display a single color pixel from an image file you use three pixels 
on the rear-panel LCD. 

So when you give the pixel count of your rear-panel LCD, do you specify 
the number of hardware pixels in the display itself, or the number of 
image pixels that get displayed? The former number is much larger than 
the latter so that's the one the marketing guys gravitate towards :)


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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Cory Papenfuss]

> I bet there's no aperture simulator though.
>

Very impressive camera.  If it had that, I'd pay to upgrade 
tomorrow.  Without it, I'll still have to think about it.


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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Cory Papenfuss]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Thibouille wrote:

> They advertise 230.000 but it seems Pentax doesn't count the same way
> as others so we'll have to wait for reviews or first hand experience
> to know exactly.
>

One of the links said 230k, but said that each location had 
individual RGB pixels.  Kinda like Foveon in reverse.  Probably necessary 
to get the wide viewing angle, but I'm sure it makes it looks really 
high-res.

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[pnstenquist]

That works out to slightly smaller than 600 x 400 pixels.
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> They advertise 230.000 but it seems Pentax doesn't count the same way
> as others so we'll have to wait for reviews or first hand experience
> to know exactly.
> 
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> > From: "Adam Maas"
> > Subject: Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks
> >
> >
> >
> > > I'm almsot positive the 20fps burst mode is nothing more than somebody
> > > getting the bright idea of hooking up the Live View feed to the JPEG
> > > engine. Useless in real life.
> >
> > How many MP is the LCD screen? I'm terrible at figuring that sort of stuff
> > out.
> >
> > William Robb
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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Thibouille]

They advertise 230.000 but it seems Pentax doesn't count the same way
as others so we'll have to wait for reviews or first hand experience
to know exactly.

On Jan 24, 2008 2:53 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Maas"
> Subject: Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks
>
>
>
> > I'm almsot positive the 20fps burst mode is nothing more than somebody
> > getting the bright idea of hooking up the Live View feed to the JPEG
> > engine. Useless in real life.
>
> How many MP is the LCD screen? I'm terrible at figuring that sort of stuff
> out.
>
> William Robb
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was Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Roman Melihhov]

On 23/01/08, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:


> >Didn't they notice that 20fps 1.8megapixel option?  They don't even  
> >mention it.  Or was that something I dreamed earlier today?
>   
You're right, there are * 20 FPS in Burst mode (115 pix buffer at 1.6M, 
***, JPG); And now Pentax Imaging too has these two new models listed, 
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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks



> I'm almsot positive the 20fps burst mode is nothing more than somebody
> getting the bright idea of hooking up the Live View feed to the JPEG
> engine. Useless in real life.

How many MP is the LCD screen? I'm terrible at figuring that sort of stuff 
out.

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Adam Maas]

On 1/24/08, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 23/01/08, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Didn't they notice that 20fps 1.8megapixel option?  They don't even
> >mention it.  Or was that something I dreamed earlier today?
>
> "We'd be willing to trade about half the resolution for a
> doubled six-frame per second high-speed burst mode"
>
> 1.8 MP is not what they wanted.
>
> I confess I am at a loss as to 20 fps.
>
> 10 at say 4 MP I could understand. It must be a logistical problem.
>
> --
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>

I'm almsot positive the 20fps burst mode is nothing more than somebody
getting the bright idea of hooking up the Live View feed to the JPEG
engine. Useless in real life.

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Charles Robinson]

On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:34, Cotty wrote:

> On 23/01/08, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> Didn't they notice that 20fps 1.8megapixel option?  They don't even
>> mention it.  Or was that something I dreamed earlier today?
>
> "We'd be willing to trade about half the resolution for a
> doubled six-frame per second high-speed burst mode"
>
> 1.8 MP is not what they wanted.
>
> I confess I am at a loss as to 20 fps.
>
> 10 at say 4 MP I could understand. It must be a logistical problem.
>

I am in full agreement there.  You've got to admit, though, that  
whether or not it's what they wanted, they seem to have completely  
missed that the feature was there at all.  Oh well.

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Cotty]

On 23/01/08, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Didn't they notice that 20fps 1.8megapixel option?  They don't even  
>mention it.  Or was that something I dreamed earlier today?

"We'd be willing to trade about half the resolution for a  
doubled six-frame per second high-speed burst mode"

1.8 MP is not what they wanted.

I confess I am at a loss as to 20 fps.

10 at say 4 MP I could understand. It must be a logistical problem.

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Adam Maas]

On 1/23/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> - Original Message -
> From: "David J Brooks"
> Subject: Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks
>
>
> > Arg. Batteries.
> >
> > Four Nikon Dslr's with three batteries and chargers, then one for the
> > K10D. Hopefully they are the same on the K20D, i'm running out of
> > space and the D200 and K10D chargers look the same.
>
> Is ther actually a difference between the form factor of the Nikon and
> Pentax batteries?
>
> William Robb
>

Yes, the contact layout is different, and IIRC so's the voltage. Size
is very similar between the EN-EL3e's for the D200 and the D-LI50's
for the K10D. However the Nikon MH-18a charger looks almost identical
to the Pentax.

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks"
Subject: Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks


> Arg. Batteries.
>
> Four Nikon Dslr's with three batteries and chargers, then one for the
> K10D. Hopefully they are the same on the K20D, i'm running out of
> space and the D200 and K10D chargers look the same.

Is ther actually a difference between the form factor of the Nikon and 
Pentax batteries?

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks


>I suggests SFM, Silly Fart Mode as the official PDML abbrerivation for this
> burst mode feature.

Perhaps the supplied software will allow the bursts to be stitched together 
as an AVI movie.

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[David J Brooks]

Arg. Batteries.

Four Nikon Dslr's with three batteries and chargers, then one for the
K10D. Hopefully they are the same on the K20D, i'm running out of
space and the D200 and K10D chargers look the same.

Dave

On Jan 23, 2008 7:21 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> - Original Message -
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> Subject: Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks
>
>
>
>
> >> It looks like they've changed the battery though. I might have some K10
> >> batteries for sale in a few months...
>
> > Nope, the D-Li50 is the same NP400 clone the K10D uses. And no, the
> > aperture simulator did not make the cut.
>
> I read that they were the same in a later article. The first article I read
> said something about a "new" battery.
>
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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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>> It looks like they've changed the battery though. I might have some K10
>> batteries for sale in a few months...

> Nope, the D-Li50 is the same NP400 clone the K10D uses. And no, the
> aperture simulator did not make the cut.

I read that they were the same in a later article. The first article I read 
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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Tim Øsleby]

I suggests SFM, Silly Fart Mode as the official PDML abbrerivation for this 
burst mode feature.

Tim Typo

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> On 1/23/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Perry Pellechia"
>>
>>
>> > More good press (some negative) for Pentax:
>> >
>> > http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/5049/first-look-pentax-k20d.html
>>
>> Apparently, I won't have to buy a new battery grip, and it has a PC 
>> socket.
>> Thank you Pentax
>> It looks like they've changed the battery though. I might have some K10
>> batteries for sale in a few months...
>>
>> I bet there's no aperture simulator though.
>>
>> William Robb
>>
>
> Nope, the D-Li50 is the same NP400 clone the K10D uses. And no, the
> aperture simulator did not make the cut.
>
> Overall I'm liking it, although I could do without the 1.6MP 20fps
> 'burst' mode (which I suspect is nothing more than hooking the Live
> View up to the JPEG engine).
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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Perry Pellechia]

On Jan 23, 2008 7:12 PM, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2008, at 17:16, Perry Pellechia wrote:
>
> > More good press (some negative) for Pentax:
> >
> > http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/5049/first-look-pentax-k20d.html
> >
>
> I liked this one:
>
> "First, it would be great to see a pixel-shedding ultra-high speed
> burst rate. We'd be willing to trade about half the resolution for a
> doubled six-frame per second high-speed burst mode for peak action of
> birds in flight, and rodeos, and surfing, and snowboarding, and
> gymastics, and softball, and soccer, and football, or a rhino charging
> our Land Rover. We'll wager this is a mechanical issue which can't be
> addressed in the K20D."
>
> Didn't they notice that 20fps 1.8megapixel option?  They don't even
> mention it.  Or was that something I dreamed earlier today?
>

Funny that they made this mistake.  The high burst rate mode is
included in the specs listed on page 2 of the article.

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Charles Robinson]

On Jan 23, 2008, at 17:16, Perry Pellechia wrote:

> More good press (some negative) for Pentax:
>
> http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/5049/first-look-pentax-k20d.html
>

I liked this one:

"First, it would be great to see a pixel-shedding ultra-high speed  
burst rate. We'd be willing to trade about half the resolution for a  
doubled six-frame per second high-speed burst mode for peak action of  
birds in flight, and rodeos, and surfing, and snowboarding, and  
gymastics, and softball, and soccer, and football, or a rhino charging  
our Land Rover. We'll wager this is a mechanical issue which can't be  
addressed in the K20D."

Didn't they notice that 20fps 1.8megapixel option?  They don't even  
mention it.  Or was that something I dreamed earlier today?

  -Charles

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[Adam Maas]

On 1/23/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Perry Pellechia"
>
>
> > More good press (some negative) for Pentax:
> >
> > http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/5049/first-look-pentax-k20d.html
>
> Apparently, I won't have to buy a new battery grip, and it has a PC socket.
> Thank you Pentax
> It looks like they've changed the battery though. I might have some K10
> batteries for sale in a few months...
>
> I bet there's no aperture simulator though.
>
> William Robb
>

Nope, the D-Li50 is the same NP400 clone the K10D uses. And no, the
aperture simulator did not make the cut.

Overall I'm liking it, although I could do without the 1.6MP 20fps
'burst' mode (which I suspect is nothing more than hooking the Live
View up to the JPEG engine).

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Re: Popular Photography posts K20D first looks

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Perry Pellechia"


> More good press (some negative) for Pentax:
>
> http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/5049/first-look-pentax-k20d.html

Apparently, I won't have to buy a new battery grip, and it has a PC socket.
Thank you Pentax
It looks like they've changed the battery though. I might have some K10 
batteries for sale in a few months...

I bet there's no aperture simulator though.

William Robb 


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Re: Popular photography

[Brendan]

I was actually the only amateur in there, they
apparantly wanted more but none hand mailed them so I
got in by default. No I won't autograph sliks I still
want a manfrotto :-)

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> last name at the time
> since I wasn't near my computer.  I liked the way
> PopPhoto did that
> tripod review, and, IMHO, I think it's a good idea
> to include "amateur"
> reviews since many readers of that magazine as well
> as buyers of
> equipment are amateurs.  
>  
> Will you autograph Slik tripods?
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Re: Popular photography

[Steve Desjardins]

Just to clarify, my last note with this subject was aimed at Brendan. 
This was probably pretty obvious, but I clicked the wrong button and
didn't copy the old message in.
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Re: Popular Photography Pentax Lens Tests

[Joseph Tainter]

Thanks for the Grandfather Mountain invite, Mark. One of these times

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Re: Popular Photography Pentax Lens Tests

[Mark Roberts]

Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>FA 80-200 f2.8. Incredible. Sharp wide open across the zoom range. Can I
>afford this lens? Do I want to carry it's weight? 

Once you've used it and seen the results, the weight becomes a non-issue. Price?
Well, it's a non-issue *after* you've bought it! ;-) Doug Brewer had one for
sale a few weeks ago. I expect it went quickly but you never know.

>Do I wish I didn't know how good it is?

Come to Grandfather Mountain in two weeks and you can try mine. Then you'll
*know* if you wish you didn't know how good it is. (Follow that?)

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RE: Popular Photography 31/1.8 Limited test (WAS: Re: Pentax a "best ever prime lens" at Pop?)

[Mark Cassino]

Popular Photography changed the SQF system recently and scores from past 
tests are not comparable with the new system - I don't remember when the 35 
f2 was tested, but I think that the scores from it and the 31 LTD are on 
two different scales.  The new system was meant to be more stringent.

- MCC

At 05:20 PM 2/17/02 -0500, you wrote:
>OK, I looked it up.  Just for kicks, here's a comparison by the numbers
>of their current review of the 31 vs. their review of the 35 F2.0.  I'm
>only giving the numbers at the 20"x24" end, since relatively speaking,
>they are the same in comparison at smaller sizes as well:
>
>31 F1.8
>List price = $1,415.00
>Measured focal length = 31.81mm
>Distortion = .45% pincushion
>F1.8/76.8/C+
>F2.8/79.3/B
>F4.0/81.4/B
>F5.6/83.9/B
>F8.0/83.5/B
>F11.0/81.8/B
>F16.0/78.1/C+
>F22.0/73.5/C+
>
>35mm F2.0
>List price = $498.00
>Measured focal length = 33.77mm
>Distortion = .55% pincushion
>F2.0/63.6/C
>F2.8/65.9/C
>F4.0/91.5/A
>F5.6/95.3/A+
>F8.0/93.2/A
>F11.0/90.2/A
>F16.0/89.2/B
>F22.0/79.2/C+
>
>The 31 may be special, but is it really "that" special?  I'd have to say
>the 35 compares pretty well to it.
>
>Thanks,
>Ed
>http://lightandsilver.com
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RE: Popular Photography 31/1.8 Limited test (WAS: Re: Pentax a "best ever prime lens" at Pop?)

[Ed Mathews]

No, it's not lines per millimeter, it's their SQF numbers.  SQF is Pop
Photo's "Subjective Quality Factor".  It's a number based on MTF and
converted to a system meant to show what you should expect in different
size enlargements.  It's like a grade in a class you take, where 90 + is
an A, 80-89 is a B, etc.  It's just meant to make it easier to see where
the strengths and weaknesses are, and see how big an enlargement you can
make before you lose grade A quality.

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of T Rittenhouse
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 8:03 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Popular Photography 31/1.8 Limited test (WAS: 
> Re: Pentax a "best ever prime lens" at Pop?)
> 
> 
> lpm

> - Original Message -
> From: Dan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:32 PM
> Subject: RE: Popular Photography 31/1.8 Limited test (WAS: 
> Re: Pentax a "best ever prime lens" at Pop?)
> 
> 
> > Ed,
> >
> > What does the number between the f/stop and the letter grade stand 
> > for?

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Re: Popular Photography 31/1.8 Limited test (WAS: Re: Pentax a "best ever prime lens" at Pop?)

[T Rittenhouse]

lpm

Ciao,
Graywolf



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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: Popular Photography 31/1.8 Limited test (WAS: Re: Pentax a
"best ever prime lens" at Pop?)


> Ed,
>
> What does the number between the f/stop and the letter grade stand for?
>
> Dan Scott
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >OK, I looked it up.  Just for kicks, here's a comparison by the numbers
> >of their current review of the 31 vs. their review of the 35 F2.0.  I'm
> >only giving the numbers at the 20"x24" end, since relatively speaking,
> >they are the same in comparison at smaller sizes as well:
> >
> >31 F1.8
> >List price = $1,415.00
> >Measured focal length = 31.81mm
> >Distortion = .45% pincushion
> >F1.8/76.8/C+
> >F2.8/79.3/B
> >F4.0/81.4/B
> >F5.6/83.9/B
> >F8.0/83.5/B
> >F11.0/81.8/B
> >F16.0/78.1/C+
> >F22.0/73.5/C+
> >
> >35mm F2.0
> >List price = $498.00
> >Measured focal length = 33.77mm
> >Distortion = .55% pincushion
> >F2.0/63.6/C
> >F2.8/65.9/C
> >F4.0/91.5/A
> >F5.6/95.3/A+
> >F8.0/93.2/A
> >F11.0/90.2/A
> >F16.0/89.2/B
> >F22.0/79.2/C+
> >
> >The 31 may be special, but is it really "that" special?  I'd have to say
> >the 35 compares pretty well to it.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Ed
> >http://lightandsilver.com
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RE: Popular Photography 31/1.8 Limited test (WAS: Re: Pentax a "best ever prime lens" at Pop?)

[Dan Scott]

Ed,

What does the number between the f/stop and the letter grade stand for?

Dan Scott
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>OK, I looked it up.  Just for kicks, here's a comparison by the numbers
>of their current review of the 31 vs. their review of the 35 F2.0.  I'm
>only giving the numbers at the 20"x24" end, since relatively speaking,
>they are the same in comparison at smaller sizes as well:
>
>31 F1.8
>List price = $1,415.00
>Measured focal length = 31.81mm
>Distortion = .45% pincushion
>F1.8/76.8/C+
>F2.8/79.3/B
>F4.0/81.4/B
>F5.6/83.9/B
>F8.0/83.5/B
>F11.0/81.8/B
>F16.0/78.1/C+
>F22.0/73.5/C+
>
>35mm F2.0
>List price = $498.00
>Measured focal length = 33.77mm
>Distortion = .55% pincushion
>F2.0/63.6/C
>F2.8/65.9/C
>F4.0/91.5/A
>F5.6/95.3/A+
>F8.0/93.2/A
>F11.0/90.2/A
>F16.0/89.2/B
>F22.0/79.2/C+
>
>The 31 may be special, but is it really "that" special?  I'd have to say
>the 35 compares pretty well to it.
>
>Thanks,
>Ed
>http://lightandsilver.com
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Re: Popular Photography 31/1.8 Limited test (WAS: Re: Pentax a "best ever prime lens" at Pop?)

[Joseph Tainter]

> And what exactly do they say about this lens?
> 
> Pål
> -
>
Popular Photography never says that an advertiser's lenses are bad.
Still, the writer seemed especially effusive in praising the 31. I go by
the numbers in their MTF tests. According to these numbers, the lens is
consistently sharp at all apertures from 1.8 to 22. One would have to go
to very, very large print sizes to detect a difference by eye. The
article also says: well-built, minimal distortion, accurate exposures,
light fall-off gone by f2.8. And as we would expect from any Pentax
lens, slides were sharp and contrasty, and flare was well-controlled.

The article points out that the fixed hood prevents use of square
filters.

Joe
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Re: Popular Photography 31/1.8 Limited test (WAS: Re: Pentax a "best ever prime lens" at Pop?)

[Alan Chan]

>And what exactly do they say about this lens?

Just some pointless and meaningless comments, nothing haven't been said 
before.

regards,
Alan Chan


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Re: Popular Photography February 1995

[Anand DHUPKAR]

Don't have that issue, and believe, it would be difficult to get that 
particular issue.  One thing, however, can assure you - Tokina lenses are 
very very good.  I have been using 28-105 on my Minolta X700 and Nikon N90s. 
  Too good results.  Only one negative point I have is the zoom with its own 
load keeps on comming down if the camera is just hanging on the shoulder 
strap.

But that doesn't affect the quality in any way.
Good luck and enjoy Tokina for your lifetime !



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>Subject: Popular Photography February 1995
>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:08:34 -0800 (PST)
>
>Does anyone have the February 1995 issue of Popular
>Photography?  I visited the library to get a copy of
>the lens test for the Tokina 28-70 f/2.6-2.8, but
>someone tore the pages off the magazine!  If you do,
>would you please email me a scanned copy of the test?
>Thanks.
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Re: Popular Photography February 1995

[Cotty]

Hi Richard,

Can't help you with Pop. Phot. 95, but these links will be useful for the 
Tokina 28-70 enablement ;-)


http://www.photographyreview.com/reviews/35mm_zoom_lenses/product_5593.asp

http://www.photozone.de/reviews/tokina2870.htm

http://www.jdhphotography.com/Tokina/Tokina-28-70.html

Cotty

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