Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
Hi! Thanks a lot. Initially I thought I could grab the lenses and use them with my camera. However I realize it is a risky business. Also it seems that these lenses are really nothing special... Well, you probably saved me some money I could later part with for sake of buying stuff from fellow PDMLers relatively bg. --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625
Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
Okay, enough speculation. I'm heading to my camera closet to dig out the two Mamiya SLRs that are buried there. Let's see, the first is a 1000TL. It's a camera I used for about years, in the late seventies,shooting at least 5000 rolls with it. I probably made more money with that camera than any other I've ever owned, although I was trying harder. But I digress, back to the camera. It has a mechanism for stopping down the lens that appears to be identical to that of the Spotmatic-- i.e. a paddle device at the bottom of the box that pushes a pin on the lens. The 1000 DTL appears to be identical, except for the switch that changes the meter from averaging to spot. The lens is an Auto Mamiya-Sekor 55/1.8. It has an auto/manual switch, and it is nearly identical to a Super Takumar 55/1.8, albeit a bit larger. I can mount the lens on a Spotmatic, and -- it works. I bought the DTL in 1990 or thereabouts, thinking it would be fun to own another of these. It lasted about a week before the mirror started sticking, but it's otherwise pretty close to mint. Paul Stenquist Peter Alling wrote: his camera. It always p* me off that he Actually a friend of mine had a Mamiya 500DTL and the open aperture metering system was present on could borrow my Takumar's but I couldn't use any of his lenses. It may have been that his camera was subject to some kind of Frankenstein repair that melded a DTL and a DTX. I don't remember the lenses having an Auto/Manual switch but then I never used them. At 05:13 PM 1/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: The Mamiya M42 mount cameras had a open aperture metering system which not only was different than that adopted by Pentax but could cause damage to the exterior of a Pentax camera if they were mounted. The above statement applies only to those Mamiya lenses that were 'redisgned' for the DSX and MSX series. The lenses originally sold with the 500DTL and 1000DTL were simply single pin stop-down metering lenses. There was no problem with those. The 500DTL/1000DTL and their predecessors, the 500TL and the 1000TL were capable of stop=down metering only. Also I believe that the Mamiya lenses lacked an auto manual switch which would make their use with a K-M42 adapter good only at maximum aperture unless you wish to preform some custom surgery on the lens. (I could be mistaken about that last point as I haven't looked at any of these lenses or cameras in a while). You are mistaken. The Mamiya/Sekor lenses as referred to above did have the auto/manual switch. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
I wasn't speculating. I had a 500DTL; I still have a 1000DTL. Both were bought before I saw the light. They were damned good - if unrefined - cameras. I used Mamiya/Sekor lenses and Super Takumars on both. Ed From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:06:30 + Okay, enough speculation. I'm heading to my camera closet to dig out the two Mamiya SLRs that are buried there. Let's see, the first is a 1000TL. It's a camera I used for about years, in the late seventies,shooting at least 5000 rolls with it. I probably made more money with that camera than any other I've ever owned, although I was trying harder. But I digress, back to the camera. It has a mechanism for stopping down the lens that appears to be identical to that of the Spotmatic-- i.e. a paddle device at the bottom of the box that pushes a pin on the lens. The 1000 DTL appears to be identical, except for the switch that changes the meter from averaging to spot. The lens is an Auto Mamiya-Sekor 55/1.8. It has an auto/manual switch, and it is nearly identical to a Super Takumar 55/1.8, albeit a bit larger. I can mount the lens on a Spotmatic, and -- it works. I bought the DTL in 1990 or thereabouts, thinking it would be fun to own another of these. It lasted about a week before the mirror started sticking, but it's otherwise pretty close to mint. Paul Stenquist Peter Alling wrote: his camera. It always p* me off that he Actually a friend of mine had a Mamiya 500DTL and the open aperture metering system was present on could borrow my Takumar's but I couldn't use any of his lenses. It may have been that his camera was subject to some kind of Frankenstein repair that melded a DTL and a DTX. I don't remember the lenses having an Auto/Manual switch but then I never used them. At 05:13 PM 1/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: The Mamiya M42 mount cameras had a open aperture metering system which not only was different than that adopted by Pentax but could cause damage to the exterior of a Pentax camera if they were mounted. The above statement applies only to those Mamiya lenses that were 'redisgned' for the DSX and MSX series. The lenses originally sold with the 500DTL and 1000DTL were simply single pin stop-down metering lenses. There was no problem with those. The 500DTL/1000DTL and their predecessors, the 500TL and the 1000TL were capable of stop=down metering only. Also I believe that the Mamiya lenses lacked an auto manual switch which would make their use with a K-M42 adapter good only at maximum aperture unless you wish to preform some custom surgery on the lens. (I could be mistaken about that last point as I haven't looked at any of these lenses or cameras in a while). You are mistaken. The Mamiya/Sekor lenses as referred to above did have the auto/manual switch. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
Didn't mean to imply that you were speculating. But one post in this thread said that the Mamiya and Pentax lenses weren't interchangeable. Paul Ed Matthew wrote: I wasn't speculating. I had a 500DTL; I still have a 1000DTL. Both were bought before I saw the light. They were damned good - if unrefined - cameras. I used Mamiya/Sekor lenses and Super Takumars on both. Ed From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:06:30 + Okay, enough speculation. I'm heading to my camera closet to dig out the two Mamiya SLRs that are buried there. Let's see, the first is a 1000TL. It's a camera I used for about years, in the late seventies,shooting at least 5000 rolls with it. I probably made more money with that camera than any other I've ever owned, although I was trying harder. But I digress, back to the camera. It has a mechanism for stopping down the lens that appears to be identical to that of the Spotmatic-- i.e. a paddle device at the bottom of the box that pushes a pin on the lens. The 1000 DTL appears to be identical, except for the switch that changes the meter from averaging to spot. The lens is an Auto Mamiya-Sekor 55/1.8. It has an auto/manual switch, and it is nearly identical to a Super Takumar 55/1.8, albeit a bit larger. I can mount the lens on a Spotmatic, and -- it works. I bought the DTL in 1990 or thereabouts, thinking it would be fun to own another of these. It lasted about a week before the mirror started sticking, but it's otherwise pretty close to mint. Paul Stenquist Peter Alling wrote: his camera. It always p* me off that he Actually a friend of mine had a Mamiya 500DTL and the open aperture metering system was present on could borrow my Takumar's but I couldn't use any of his lenses. It may have been that his camera was subject to some kind of Frankenstein repair that melded a DTL and a DTX. I don't remember the lenses having an Auto/Manual switch but then I never used them. At 05:13 PM 1/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: The Mamiya M42 mount cameras had a open aperture metering system which not only was different than that adopted by Pentax but could cause damage to the exterior of a Pentax camera if they were mounted. The above statement applies only to those Mamiya lenses that were 'redisgned' for the DSX and MSX series. The lenses originally sold with the 500DTL and 1000DTL were simply single pin stop-down metering lenses. There was no problem with those. The 500DTL/1000DTL and their predecessors, the 500TL and the 1000TL were capable of stop=down metering only. Also I believe that the Mamiya lenses lacked an auto manual switch which would make their use with a K-M42 adapter good only at maximum aperture unless you wish to preform some custom surgery on the lens. (I could be mistaken about that last point as I haven't looked at any of these lenses or cameras in a while). You are mistaken. The Mamiya/Sekor lenses as referred to above did have the auto/manual switch. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
I believe it has to do with the SMC lenses and the aperture simulator. Bob - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:33 AM Subject: Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses Didn't mean to imply that you were speculating. But one post in this thread said that the Mamiya and Pentax lenses weren't interchangeable. Paul Ed Matthew wrote: I wasn't speculating. I had a 500DTL; I still have a 1000DTL. Both were bought before I saw the light. They were damned good - if unrefined - cameras. I used Mamiya/Sekor lenses and Super Takumars on both. Ed From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:06:30 + Okay, enough speculation. I'm heading to my camera closet to dig out the two Mamiya SLRs that are buried there. Let's see, the first is a 1000TL. It's a camera I used for about years, in the late seventies,shooting at least 5000 rolls with it. I probably made more money with that camera than any other I've ever owned, although I was trying harder. But I digress, back to the camera. It has a mechanism for stopping down the lens that appears to be identical to that of the Spotmatic-- i.e. a paddle device at the bottom of the box that pushes a pin on the lens. The 1000 DTL appears to be identical, except for the switch that changes the meter from averaging to spot. The lens is an Auto Mamiya-Sekor 55/1.8. It has an auto/manual switch, and it is nearly identical to a Super Takumar 55/1.8, albeit a bit larger. I can mount the lens on a Spotmatic, and -- it works. I bought the DTL in 1990 or thereabouts, thinking it would be fun to own another of these. It lasted about a week before the mirror started sticking, but it's otherwise pretty close to mint. Paul Stenquist Peter Alling wrote: his camera. It always p* me off that he Actually a friend of mine had a Mamiya 500DTL and the open aperture metering system was present on could borrow my Takumar's but I couldn't use any of his lenses. It may have been that his camera was subject to some kind of Frankenstein repair that melded a DTL and a DTX. I don't remember the lenses having an Auto/Manual switch but then I never used them. At 05:13 PM 1/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: The Mamiya M42 mount cameras had a open aperture metering system which not only was different than that adopted by Pentax but could cause damage to the exterior of a Pentax camera if they were mounted. The above statement applies only to those Mamiya lenses that were 'redisgned' for the DSX and MSX series. The lenses originally sold with the 500DTL and 1000DTL were simply single pin stop-down metering lenses. There was no problem with those. The 500DTL/1000DTL and their predecessors, the 500TL and the 1000TL were capable of stop=down metering only. Also I believe that the Mamiya lenses lacked an auto manual switch which would make their use with a K-M42 adapter good only at maximum aperture unless you wish to preform some custom surgery on the lens. (I could be mistaken about that last point as I haven't looked at any of these lenses or cameras in a while). You are mistaken. The Mamiya/Sekor lenses as referred to above did have the auto/manual switch. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
It's built like a tank, unfortunately repairs might be problematic. I wouldn't bother with the lenses however, unless I had the camera to mount them on. The Mamiya M42 mount cameras had a open aperture metering system which not only was different than that adopted by Pentax but could cause damage to the exterior of a Pentax camera if they were mounted. I think you'll find the same problem on a ZX-L only to a greater extent. Also I believe that the Mamiya lenses lacked an auto manual switch which would make their use with a K-M42 adapter good only at maximum aperture unless you wish to preform some custom surgery on the lens. (I could be mistaken about that last point as I haven't looked at any of these lenses or cameras in a while). At 07:33 PM 1/26/2003 +0200, you wrote: Hello. I am given an opportunity to acquire not working body Mamiya 500 DTL and two lenses 50/2 and 135/3.5. Since both lenses are M42 they could be potentially used with my ZX-L. I've been wondering how good are these lenses and in particular how good is 135/3.5 compared with Takumar (non SMC) 135/2.5? The body could be tried to be repaired though. I have no idea as to how good is this body, say with respect to similar Pentax bodies. Is it worth the trouble trying to repare? Thanks in advance. --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625 Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
The Mamiya M42 mount cameras had a open aperture metering system which not only was different than that adopted by Pentax but could cause damage to the exterior of a Pentax camera if they were mounted. The above statement applies only to those Mamiya lenses that were 'redisgned' for the DSX and MSX series. The lenses originally sold with the 500DTL and 1000DTL were simply single pin stop-down metering lenses. There was no problem with those. The 500DTL/1000DTL and their predecessors, the 500TL and the 1000TL were capable of stop=down metering only. Also I believe that the Mamiya lenses lacked an auto manual switch which would make their use with a K-M42 adapter good only at maximum aperture unless you wish to preform some custom surgery on the lens. (I could be mistaken about that last point as I haven't looked at any of these lenses or cameras in a while). You are mistaken. The Mamiya/Sekor lenses as referred to above did have the auto/manual switch. Regards, Ed Matthew _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses
- Original Message - From: Ed Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:13 AM Subject: Re: Question about Mamiya 500 DTL and Lenses The Mamiya M42 mount cameras had a open aperture metering system which not only was different than that adopted by Pentax but could cause damage to the exterior of a Pentax camera if they were mounted. The above statement applies only to those Mamiya lenses that were 'redisgned' for the DSX and MSX series. The lenses originally sold with the 500DTL and 1000DTL were simply single pin stop-down metering lenses. There was no problem with those. The 500DTL/1000DTL and their predecessors, the 500TL and the 1000TL were capable of stop=down metering only. Also I believe that the Mamiya lenses lacked an auto manual switch which would make their use with a K-M42 adapter good only at maximum aperture unless you wish to preform some custom surgery on the lens. (I could be mistaken about that last point as I haven't looked at any of these lenses or cameras in a while). You are mistaken. The Mamiya/Sekor lenses as referred to above did have the auto/manual switch. Regards, Ed Matthew This Mamiya camera, from around 1970-71 (with a top shutter speed of 1/500s like the designation indicates - there was also a 1/1000s big brother) also had the neat feature of dual metering systems, integral and spot metering. You picked one or the other by a switch, and also used the film advance lever to trigger the metering. (I never had one, nor handled one - just read about it.) Lasse
