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Hi! HC> you would have to send the camera in, at least. it doesn't like there is an HC> interface to connect to, so the camera needs to be partly disassembled. i HC> would not be surprised to see a $100 charge for such an operation. for a HC> camera that costs $300 and under, i don't see that anyone would do it. HC> Herb Which means for example, that those instances of MZ-S that had some kind of film handling problems (the first ones) had to be sent-in and were actually partially disassembled? I honestly thought it was not *that* difficult. At any rate, we know they can do it ... Boris
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- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: Re: Question or better yet, idea > Hi, > > > The new firmware fix gives you better than stop down metering. It > > is a nice solution. > > I don't generally follow ist-d threads, so forgive me if I'm repeating > something, or if I've missed something about the ist-d. > > It sounds to me like a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist anyway. > In other words, a kludge. The camera came with a kludge way of using non A lenses. The firmware upgrade takes most of this away. William Robb
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I think someone ought to hold their feet to the fire, so they come up with a compatibility scheme to hook all my SMC K-mount lenses to my Optio-S4! Now, there's an idea whose time has come! Not that there's anything wrong with YOUR idea, Boris, but this one came immediately to mind, so I had to bring it up. keith whaley Boris Liberman wrote: > > Hi! > > Pentax has proved by giving an example that a camera with crippled > mount is not really so crippled. I wonder, whether they can produce an > firmware upgrade for *ist, MZ-30 and similar cameras... > > Especially, with compatibility with M and K lenses, *ist may become > quite attractive camera, right? > > What do you say? > > Boris
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And hacks are fine. Kludges are usually a mess. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Question or better yet, idea Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:43:57 -0500 I'd call it a hack rather than a klu(d)ge. http://www.eps.mcgill.ca/jargon/jargon.html#hack vs. http://www.eps.mcgill.ca/jargon/jargon.html#kluge Christian - Original Message - From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Question or better yet, idea > Hi, > > > The new firmware fix gives you better than stop down metering. It > > is a nice solution. > > I don't generally follow ist-d threads, so forgive me if I'm repeating > something, or if I've missed something about the ist-d. > > It sounds to me like a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist anyway. > In other words, a kludge. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > _ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
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I should have said it another way, I guess. The mount has not changed, only the firmware has changed. I don't see any reason for anyone to claim it's a crippled mount, either before or after the firmware update. The firmware update just automates what I used to do myself. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: alex wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Question or better yet, idea Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:04:29 -0800 (PST) On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Leonard Paris wrote: > That's really strange, the "crippled mount" idea. I was using my Zenitar > fisheye in aperture priority with version 1.0 of the firmware and had no > problems. Probably in stop down metering? That works great with screwmount lenses on a screwmount adapter. There is no way to do stop down metering with K/M lenses though unless you remove the aperture lever from the lens, or hold the lens rotated 15 degrees on the mount. Neither solution is ideal. The new firmware fix gives you better than stop down metering. It is a nice solution. alex _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize
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I'd call it a hack rather than a klu(d)ge. http://www.eps.mcgill.ca/jargon/jargon.html#hack vs. http://www.eps.mcgill.ca/jargon/jargon.html#kluge Christian - Original Message - From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Question or better yet, idea > Hi, > > > The new firmware fix gives you better than stop down metering. It > > is a nice solution. > > I don't generally follow ist-d threads, so forgive me if I'm repeating > something, or if I've missed something about the ist-d. > > It sounds to me like a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist anyway. > In other words, a kludge. > > -- > Cheers, > Bob >
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Hi, > The new firmware fix gives you better than stop down metering. It > is a nice solution. I don't generally follow ist-d threads, so forgive me if I'm repeating something, or if I've missed something about the ist-d. It sounds to me like a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist anyway. In other words, a kludge. -- Cheers, Bob
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Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: > Do these have electronic DOF preview? Do they have a way to upgrade > the firmware? how about by exposing a roll of film to the binary code of the upgrade, then loading that film into the camera? arnie
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Leonard Paris wrote: > That's really strange, the "crippled mount" idea. I was using my Zenitar > fisheye in aperture priority with version 1.0 of the firmware and had no > problems. Probably in stop down metering? That works great with screwmount lenses on a screwmount adapter. There is no way to do stop down metering with K/M lenses though unless you remove the aperture lever from the lens, or hold the lens rotated 15 degrees on the mount. Neither solution is ideal. The new firmware fix gives you better than stop down metering. It is a nice solution. alex
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Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Pentax has proved by giving an example that a camera with crippled >mount is not really so crippled. I wonder, whether they can produce an >firmware upgrade for *ist, MZ-30 and similar cameras... As long as you don't mind soldering a new surface-mount ROM chip to the camera's internal circuit board. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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That's really strange, the "crippled mount" idea. I was using my Zenitar fisheye in aperture priority with version 1.0 of the firmware and had no problems. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Question or better yet, idea Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:26:16 +0200 Hi! Pentax has proved by giving an example that a camera with crippled mount is not really so crippled. I wonder, whether they can produce an firmware upgrade for *ist, MZ-30 and similar cameras... Especially, with compatibility with M and K lenses, *ist may become quite attractive camera, right? What do you say? Boris _ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Boris Liberman wrote: > mount is not really so crippled. I wonder, whether they can produce an > firmware upgrade for *ist, MZ-30 and similar cameras... Do these have electronic DOF preview? Do they have a way to upgrade the firmware? I was talking to a friend about the chances of the baby-D having the same functionality. Being paranoid (and excluding the possibility that people could perhaps patch the firmware themselves based on the *ist-D fix), I thought that they will be selling the cheap DSLRs at or near a loss, hoping to make money from accessories, and what better than lenses. Same would be true for the cripple-mounts (anybody still thinks that there was an unsurpassable technical problem to K/M compatibility and thus there is a need to rename this mount? :-) Kostas p.s.: I admire Pentax's customer application. To put out the fix before milking the cows with the forthcoming DA16-45 is commendable (if not commercially wrong).
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I say that since the *ist is not a digital camera per se, there would be no way to "upgrade" the firmware, without sending it back to Pentax to have whatever ROM chip that holds the operating information, upgraded or replaced. Jeff. -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:26 AM To: PDML Subject: Question or better yet, idea Hi! Pentax has proved by giving an example that a camera with crippled mount is not really so crippled. I wonder, whether they can produce an firmware upgrade for *ist, MZ-30 and similar cameras... Especially, with compatibility with M and K lenses, *ist may become quite attractive camera, right? What do you say? Boris
