Re: Selling on eBay
I have attempted, once again, to sell my DS on eBay. Once again, I have had a Nigerian Scammer attempt to scam me out of my camera. I will not sell on eBay. Repeat again. I will not sell on eBay. So? That's not eBay's fault. I sell on eBay all the time and do well at it. I get the Nigerian (and other) scammers all the time. I just forward their e-mails to the fraud team at eBay and go on my merry way. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Selling on eBay
Whenever I have a auction go flaky, I just offer it to the next highest bidder or two, if their bids are reasonably high. Its like any other marketspace...gotta take the bad with the good, and exercise due caution. I've lost hundreds of dollars on eBay...and made thousands. :-) -Tom Mike Hamilton wrote: I have attempted, once again, to sell my DS on eBay. Once again, I have had a Nigerian Scammer attempt to scam me out of my camera. I will not sell on eBay. Repeat again. I will not sell on eBay. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Selling on eBay
Nigerians must find you attractive. I've sold dozens of cameras and lenses on e-bay without a hitch. Paul On Jan 13, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Mike Hamilton wrote: I have attempted, once again, to sell my DS on eBay. Once again, I have had a Nigerian Scammer attempt to scam me out of my camera. I will not sell on eBay. Repeat again. I will not sell on eBay. *sigh* -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Selling on eBay
I have attempted, once again, to sell my DS on eBay. Once again, I have had a Nigerian Scammer attempt to scam me out of my camera. I will not sell on eBay. Repeat again. I will not sell on eBay. Don't give up, dude. It'll sell, and you'll be a little richer when it does. How else are you going to get that large an audience for your item? John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Selling on eBay
Mike Hamilton wrote: I have attempted, once again, to sell my DS on eBay. Once again, I have had a Nigerian Scammer attempt to scam me out of my camera. I will not sell on eBay. Repeat again. I will not sell on eBay. *sigh* -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca Make sure you report it to eBay - you should be able to get your seller's fees back (eventually). Been there, done that (three times...) with my son's Sony PSP. And got my fees back. Ciao, Peter in Sydney -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Selling on eBay
Probably U.S. dollars - if you lived in Europe, I would suggest Euros as an alternative, but since you don't you may as well make it U.S. $ Maris Leon Altoff wrote: Hi all, Well, I'm back to selling off unused equipment. However, due to the changes in currencies and exchange rates, I'm considering what currency to list the auctions in. Would those of you in the US bid on an auction that was in Australian dollars or Euros? Would those of you in Europe be more likely to bid in Euros? Do the Canadians out there mind bidding in other currencies? Or should I just accept that the US dollar is the default international currency and be done with it?
Re: Selling on eBay
Leon Altoff wrote: Hi all, Would those of you in the US bid on an auction that was in Australian dollars or Euros? Would those of you in Europe be more likely to bid in Euros? Do the Canadians out there mind bidding in other currencies? Or should I just accept that the US dollar is the default international currency and be done with it? As a Canadian, I'm used to bidding in foreign currencies, so Aussie dollars wouldn't bother me a bit. I bought an Asahiflex with two lenses over the phone from an Australian company a few years ago. Great people, great camera. I could understand their accent just fine, but they evidently had problems with mine. The package arrived safe and sound, but with every piece of address information except Canada misspelled. :) chris
Re: Selling on eBay
Hi Leon, Leon Altoff wrote: Well, I'm back to selling off unused equipment. However, due to the changes in currencies and exchange rates, I'm considering what currency to list the auctions in. When I look at ebay pages, the currency is automatically converted into Sterling. As it jolly well should be. 8-) mike
Re: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
No, it's not just bad bokeh. Actually the bokeh isn't that bad. Thanks for the specimen shot. As for the distinction you make between swirlies and bokeh, I'm not sure that I agree with the distinction (or, to be more specific, the necessity for such a distinction). To me, swirlies still represent a form of bad bokeh - in other words, there are several ways that a lens can provide unpleasant (yes, I know that's a subjective term) out-of-focus areas in an image, and a bad case of swirlies is just one of them. Fred
Re: OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
I can help. She's using my term for this effect seen in the leaves in the background: [snip] If there is an accepted term for the effect, I don't know it. Thanks, Dan. I guess swirlies fits as well as anything - g. Fred
Re: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
Fred wrote: No, it's not just bad bokeh. Actually the bokeh isn't that bad. Thanks for the specimen shot. As for the distinction you make between swirlies and bokeh, I'm not sure that I agree with the distinction (or, to be more specific, the necessity for such a distinction). I saw the circular or spiral orientation to the bokeh 'blobs' in her swirly out of focus image. I think swirley is a good description for the phenomenon. g To me, swirlies still represent a form of bad bokeh - in other words, there are several ways that a lens can provide unpleasant (yes, I know that's a subjective term) out-of-focus areas in an image, and a bad case of swirlies is just one of them. Fred keith whaley
Re: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:58:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the specimen shot. As for the distinction you make between swirlies and bokeh, I'm not sure that I agree with the distinction (or, to be more specific, the necessity for such a distinction). To me, swirlies still represent a form of bad bokeh - in other words, there are several ways that a lens can provide unpleasant (yes, I know that's a subjective term) out-of-focus areas in an image, and a bad case of swirlies is just one of them. Fred You're making an assumption that I have not made. The circular distortion occurs at the zoom's maximum focal length. I think it might occur even without a shallow depth of field -- i.e. no bokeh. I don't have a photo illustrating that because I bought the lens for close-ups (70-200). Anyway, when I first brought it up on this list, the consensus was that swirlies was a different and separate effect than just bad bokeh -- so I will go with the list's wisdom. Later, Doe aka Marnie ;-)
Re: OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
Just remember that this isn't your money they are spending. It's their money to spend however they see fit. Why not just describe the lens as to size and f stop and the condition in terms of mechanical, optics and cosmetics. If it is a good or excellent quality lens is up to the buyer to decide after they have done their own research. I have lucked into some fantastic lenses that nobody else wanted and I have also bought some real dogs that everyone raved about. You can't babysit the whole world. Sometimes people have to grow up and make their own decisions. On Tuesday 14 January 2003 03:17 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems really stupid, but I've hesitated to sell a Cimko 70-200mm zoom back on Ebay because I now know it's a bad lens. Oh, most of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies as some pdmler pointed out awhile back, but swirlies. I'd like to get SOME of my money back on the lens. But I keep stumbling around trying to figure out how to word the ebay ad. Good for the student. Not the best lens in the world, but adequate for the student. This is actually a pretty lousy lens, I won't lie to you, but the glass is clear and it will work fine for the uninformed, indiscriminating student until they know better. Sigh. I am beginning to think that having any ethical sense at all and selling flawed and/or not-so-hot stuff on ebay may be too much of a moral dilemma to resolve. Doe aka Marnie ;-) -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs
RE: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
I think you answered your own dilemma about wording in this email: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] SNIPmost of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies SNIP, but swirlies. Seems candid enough to me without looking too desparaging.
Re: RE: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
Begin Original Message Put these words in the description.People will be agast at how honest you are and just might bid :) :) Dave(soon to be an ebayer to)Brooks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] SNIPmost of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies SNIP, but swirlies. Seems candid enough to me without looking too desparaging. End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
Oh, most of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies as some pdmler pointed out awhile back, but swirlies. Swirlies? g That's a new term to me - how do you define (or how would you describe) swirlies? ;-) Fred
Re: OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
Last time I heard that term (swirlies) it was used to describe a prank that kids pulled on other kids in the washroom. Stick the kids head into the toilet and flush.. ergo swirly (swirlies is plural) Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:07:13 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay Oh, most of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies as some pdmler pointed out awhile back, but swirlies. Swirlies? g That's a new term to me - how do you define (or how would you describe) swirlies? ;-) Fred mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Re: OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
Hi Marnie... Remember that the qualities of a lens are generally subjective. I may find the images from lens X to be perfectly acceptable, but someone else using it for a paying job may decide otherwise. One person's ceiling is another's floor, so to speak. Avoid describing the lens's image quality and stick to the more mechanical issues where there is a yes or no answer: Is there fungus on the elements? Are aperture blades clean of oil? Is the body damaged in any way? Finally, don't expect a ton of money for it. t On 1/14/03 7:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems really stupid, but I've hesitated to sell a Cimko 70-200mm zoom back on Ebay because I now know it's a bad lens. Oh, most of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies as some pdmler pointed out awhile back, but swirlies. I'd like to get SOME of my money back on the lens. But I keep stumbling around trying to figure out how to word the ebay ad. Good for the student. Not the best lens in the world, but adequate for the student. This is actually a pretty lousy lens, I won't lie to you, but the glass is clear and it will work fine for the uninformed, indiscriminating student until they know better. Sigh. I am beginning to think that having any ethical sense at all and selling flawed and/or not-so-hot stuff on ebay may be too much of a moral dilemma to resolve. Doe aka Marnie ;-)
Re: OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
All that counts is whether it is a bad/broken/malfuncting lens, or it performs like every other Cimko 70-200. If it is not working as designed then make mention of that fact. If it has typical performance, for that lens, it's a case of, you get what you pay for and would not say anything more. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems really stupid, but I've hesitated to sell a Cimko 70-200mm zoom back on Ebay because I now know it's a bad lens.
Re: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:02:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Put these words in the description.People will be agast at how honest you are and just might bid :) :) Dave(soon to be an ebayer to)Brooks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] SNIPmost of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies SNIP, but swirlies. Seems candid enough to me without looking too desparaging. I liked that advice (all of it) -- it made me feel better -- so I tried it in a trail ebay page. There is also a link with a photo that shows swirlies for those who were wondering what they are. What do you think? http://members.aol.com/eactivist/ebaytrial.html Still debating over the beginning price, I paid $9.99 without tax for the lens cap. Of course, it may not sell at all. Doe aka Marnie :-)
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Sure those swirlies are not just poor bokeh?? Dave Begin Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:38:24 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:02:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Put these words in the description.People will be agast at how honest you are and just might bid :) :) Dave(soon to be an ebayer to)Brooks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] SNIPmost of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies SNIP, but swirlies. Seems candid enough to me without looking too desparaging. I liked that advice (all of it) -- it made me feel better -- so I tried it in a trail ebay page. There is also a link with a photo that shows swirlies for those who were wondering what they are. What do you think? http://members.aol.com/eactivist/ebaytrial.html Still debating over the beginning price, I paid $9.99 without tax for the lens cap. Of course, it may not sell at all. Doe aka Marnie :-) End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Art needs to be in a frame.That way we know when the art stops and the wall begins--Frank Zappa http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
There is also a link with a photo that shows swirlies for those who were wondering what they are. So, are swirlies referring to the sort of concentric circular bokeh effects, then? Fred
Re: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
I'd leave this bit out. It also takes okay pictures, not too bad, with no obvious distortions until the zoom is extended to its maximum focal length, then it produces swirlies. But the swirlies are not terrible, so it's adequate for the student Especially the adequate for the student bit. You could leave the photo examples link in the description but drop the comment swirlies/no swirlies. Too psychadelic. W. --- Wendy Beard Mosaid Technologies Inc 11 Hines Rd, Kanata, Ontario K2K 2X1, Canada
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd leave this bit out. It also takes okay pictures, not too bad, with no obvious distortions until the zoom is extended to its maximum focal length, then it produces swirlies. But the swirlies are not terrible, so it's adequate for the student Especially the adequate for the student bit. You could leave the photo examples link in the description but drop the comment swirlies/no swirlies. Too psychadelic. Exactly. Let the buyer judge for him/herself. You've shown them the prints, now it's up to them. keith whaley P.S. What's a mosaid? Teeny little glue packets to help them stay stuck to rocks? W. --- Wendy Beard Mosaid Technologies Inc 11 Hines Rd, Kanata, Ontario K2K 2X1, Canada
OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
I am beginning to think that having any ethical sense at all and selling flawed and/or not-so-hot stuff on ebay may be too much of a moral dilemma to resolve. No, just be honest about it and say what you think. I had a similar problem with a tube amp that was a real lemon. I couldn't in good conscience bring myself to sell it to an individual. I finally found a dealer who claimed their technician could fix it, and traded it in to them. As I did so, I told them perfectly honestly every single problem I'd ever had with it. The dealer chose to ignore me, believing his tech could fix the thing. In the end, he couldn't. But that wasn't my fault. s --Mike
Re: OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
Just remember that this isn't your money they are spending. It's their money to spend however they see fit. Why not just describe the lens as to size and f stop and the condition in terms of mechanical, optics and cosmetics. If it is a good or excellent quality lens is up to the buyer to decide after they have done their own research. I have lucked into some fantastic lenses that nobody else wanted and I have also bought some real dogs that everyone raved about. You can't babysit the whole world. Sometimes people have to grow up and make their own decisions. On second thought, this is better advice than what I just wrote. --Mike
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I can help. She's using my term for this effect seen in the leaves in the background: http://www.shinozuka-family.com/200110autumnlux2/kittyleaves4.jpg and http://www.shinozuka-family.com/200110autumnlux2/tedkitleaves2.jpg (Rob Studdert supplied the links). If there is an accepted term for the effect, I don't know it. Curvature of field. Those examples are rather extreme. Note the leaves on the edges stay in focus. --Mike
Re: OT: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
Hi, Marnie, There is so much hyperbole in some eBay descriptions, I think sticking with the mechanical facts, and not talking about performance at all is perfectly acceptable. I've seen so many auctions for lenses that are likely dogs, where the vendor says, Don't be dissuaded by the fact that this is 'only' an Albinar, it's colour rendition and sharpness is better than my Leica lenses, I'm only selling it because I'm getting into digital, etc, etc. You bought the lens, and I doubt that the vendor felt guilty for selling it to you. You likely won't get what you paid for it anyway. Besides, many buyers won't be as critical as you. As long as it takes pitchers, they'll be happy. Go for it! Just don't be mis-leading. cheers, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems really stupid, but I've hesitated to sell a Cimko 70-200mm zoom back on Ebay because I now know it's a bad lens. Oh, most of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies as some pdmler pointed out awhile back, but swirlies. I'd like to get SOME of my money back on the lens. But I keep stumbling around trying to figure out how to word the ebay ad. Good for the student. Not the best lens in the world, but adequate for the student. This is actually a pretty lousy lens, I won't lie to you, but the glass is clear and it will work fine for the uninformed, indiscriminating student until they know better. Sigh. I am beginning to think that having any ethical sense at all and selling flawed and/or not-so-hot stuff on ebay may be too much of a moral dilemma to resolve. Doe aka Marnie ;-) -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
Oh yeah, I used to have a Vivitar 70-210/4.5 that did the same thing at the long endmight be the same lens under a different name, the pictures of the lens look similar. William in Utah. 1/14/2003 11:38:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:02:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Put these words in the description.People will be agast at how honest you are and just might bid :) :) Dave(soon to be an ebayer to)Brooks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] SNIPmost of the pictures taken with it look okay, not that bad, with no obvious distortions, until it is zoomed to its maximum focal length, then it has swirlies. Not terrible swirlies SNIP, but swirlies. Seems candid enough to me without looking too desparaging. I liked that advice (all of it) -- it made me feel better -- so I tried it in a trail ebay page. There is also a link with a photo that shows swirlies for those who were wondering what they are. What do you think? http://members.aol.com/eactivist/ebaytrial.html Still debating over the beginning price, I paid $9.99 without tax for the lens cap. Of course, it may not sell at all. Doe aka Marnie :-)
Re: Moral Dilemma re Selling on Ebay
In a message dated 1/14/2003 4:08:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd leave this bit out. It also takes okay pictures, not too bad, with no obvious distortions until the zoom is extended to its maximum focal length, then it produces swirlies. But the swirlies are not terrible, so it's adequate for the student Especially the adequate for the student bit. You could leave the photo examples link in the description but drop the comment swirlies/no swirlies. Too psychadelic. Exactly. Let the buyer judge for him/herself. You've shown them the prints, now it's up to them. keith whaley Thanks everyone for their input. Hehehehe. Maybe I should target the aging hippie-photographer crowd. Special effect lens! Communicates that mellow stoned feel!!! Good advice, the photos will be there for truthfulness and I will take the comments out. (Remove comments from photos too.) I was/am also in a writing newsgroup group (well, a game newsgroup composed of writers and programmers). I know a writer would tell me to leave out the editorializing and just stick to the facts. Same thing here: Just describe the mechanics of the lens and leave out my judgment calls on what kind of pictures the lens produces. Besides I'd like to try to sell the @#$%! zoom. Thanks, Doe aka Marnie :-) That's the main thing, of course.
